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Neighborhood Watch Killing of African American Young Man Continues to Garner National Attention; GOP Presidential Candidates Prepare for Louisiana Primary; Supreme Court to Hear Arguments Regarding Constitutionality of Health Care Reform Law; "Hunger Games" Has Big Opening Weekend

Aired March 24, 2012 - 10:00   ET

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RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: From CNN Center, this is CNN Saturday Morning. It's 10:00 a.m. in the east, 7:00 a.m. in the west. I'm Randi Kaye.

Our top story, the reaction to Trayvon Martin's death, the teen gunned down by a neighborhood watchman in Sanford, Florida, last month.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.

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KAYE: The admitted killer, George Zimmerman, roams free. Now his attorney breaks his silence as rallies and vigils spread throughout the country. We'll talk with Roland Martin about the growing national outrage.

And another day, another primary, this time in Louisiana, where there are 20 delegates up for grabs. We'll talk with Amy Holmes and the Raging Cajun himself, James Carville. That's at the bottom of the hour.

And later, starving for "Hunger Games?" You are not alone. We'll talk to Conor Knighton about the multi-million opening and what audiences really think.

You're watching CNN Saturday Morning where news doesn't take the weekend off.

Let's get started now with our main bar, our big story that we've been investigating from all angles this morning, the death of Trayvon Martin. As the national fury grows, vigils and marches are spreading. Demonstrators wearing hoodies and holding skittles are the symbols for justice for Trayvon Martin. There's been a ton of attention on whether or not George Zimmerman was acting in self-defense the night he shot Martin. His attorney is now speaking out, telling CNN things are getting out of control.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This case is spinning out of control, and I don't think that, you know, whatever did or didn't happen that day, whether there was -- we know one thing for sure. There's a young man at the prime of his life who's dead. We also know that, you know, George Zimmerman was there and there was a gunshot from his gun. The question is -- then the next question is what happened in those moments.

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KAYE: George Zimmerman has not been arrested or charged with a crime. His attorney also tells CNN Florida's controversial stand- your-ground law does not apply to the case. Former Florida governor Jeb Bush signed the law into place in 2005 agrees.

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JEB BUSH: It appears to me that this law does not apply to this particular circumstance. "Stand your ground" means stand your ground. It doesn't mean chase after somebody who's turned their back.

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KAYE: Sanford's police chief Bill Lee may not agree with the chase argument. He said Zimmerman statement claims he lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet a police officer when he said he was attacked by Trayvon. Lee has temporarily stepped down as police chief. There are still plenty of questions surrounding that night. We're getting you up to speed on that case. Here's a quick timeline of the events.

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KAYE: The story starts in Sanford, Florida, near Orlando. On February 26, 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by a self- appointed neighborhood watchman. Witnesses told police they heard a scuffle, a cry for help, and a gunshot. When police arrive on the scene, they found this man, George Zimmerman, holding the gun that killed Martin. He had a bloody nose and a wound on this back of his head. Zimmerman tells police it's self-defense.

The only thing in Trayvon Martin's hand was a bag of skittles. On March 9th, 12 days after the killing, Trayvon's father publicly called on Sanford police to arrest George Zimmerman, saying justice hadn't been served. By March 13th police wrapped up their investigation. They say no arrest has been made because they have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's self-defense story. Two days later, witness Mary Kutcher speaks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We believe in our hearts 100 percent it was not self-defense.

KAYE: March 16, the next day, police release 911 tapes from the night of Trayvon's death. Here's the exchange.

ZIMMERMAN: Something's wrong with him. Yes. He's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you following him?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, we don't need you to do that.

ZIMMERMAN: OK.

KAYE: On March 18th, several hundred people gathered in nearby Titusville, Florida, calling on the state attorney to file charges in the case. The attorney later announced that a grand jury will review the case, and the Justice Department stepping in the next day saying they'd investigate whether there were any civil rights violations.

Then, on Thursday, Sanford police chief Bill Lee stepped down temporarily saying he'd become a distraction to the investigation. He had become the lightning rod for critics of his department's handling of the case. And take a look at this map. This is where we've seen rallies for Trayvon Martin and his family.

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KAYE: And we want to take you now live to Harlem, New York, where Reverend Al Sharpton is speaking about the Trayvon Martin killing on the National Action Network. There's a rally there in Harlem. As you know, Sharpton is the founder of that network. Let's listen to what he has to say.

REV. AL SHARPTON, FOUNDER, NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK: If you keep your eye on the prize and if you believe in a greater power, I don't care who things they in charge in Sanford, put your hoodies on, put your marching shoes on, don't give up, don't give out, and your change will come.

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KAYE: Coming to you live from Harlem, New York. And coming up, our Roland Martin is part of the chorus demanding justice for Trayvon Martin. he's joining me in about 10 minutes or so to talk much more about this.

A deadly shooting rampage in Afghanistan could mean the death penalty for U.S. Army Staff Sergeant Robert Bales. He faces 17 counts of murder with premeditation, along with six counts of attempted murder and two counts of assault. Defense officials say prosecutors could levy more charges, quote, "as they see it," while the army general calls it the first step in a long process.

New video shows the damage left behind in a French apartment where a gunman was shot dead after a 30-hour standoff with police. That gunman was suspected in a series of attacks that killed seven people, including three children.

A Montana man is held without bail after he tried to board a plane in Sacramento, get this, fully armed. TSA agents found three guns in his carryon bag. A pat down revealed he also had a loaded gun in a holster. Here's what one passenger had to say about it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a lot of wackos out there. You just never know who's armed and you've got to protect yourself at all times.

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KAYE: Authorities also found 192 rounds of ammo and three knives. Eight more guns were found in his car.

Pope Benedict is making his first trip to Mexico this weekend in a tour the Vatican called "The Journey of Hope." The pontiff, who will meet with the Mexican president Felipe Calderon, slammed the drug gang violence plaguing parts of the country. One cartel is promising to lay low during the pope's visit. It's all part of a six day trip that includes a stop in Cuba.

To politics now. And it's Republican primary day in Louisiana. Twenty delegates are up for grabs. Can Mitt Romney make a respectable showing in the south? CNN political editor Paul Steinhauser joining me now live from Washington with the latest on the presidential campaign. So has Romney got any chance today?

PAUL STEINHAUSER, CNN POLITICAL EDITOR: He's got a chance. Public opinion polls occasionally do get it wrong.

Louisiana, here's the most recent polling from American Research Group. You can see right there, a double-digit lead for Rick Santorum in Louisiana. This is the people who will likely vote in today's primary there. Newt Gingrich further back and Ron Paul in single digits. Three other polls that came out in recent dates indicate the same thing.

But, Randi, Louisiana is a little less conservative and a little more urban than Mississippi and Alabama, the two states Santorum edged out Romney and Gingrich. Yes, Romney's got a shot, but even if Santorum wins and wins big, does it really matter? People are saying that after Romney's big win in Illinois, it's pretty much over.

It isn't over yet. Take a look at this, though. You can see right here. Clearly this is the delegate count. Mitt Romney according to our CNN estimate, is far, far ahead of Newt Gingrich and far, far ahead of especially Rick Santorum and Ron Paul. But, listen, he's only halfway to the 1,144 delegates need to clinch the nomination.

Santorum has been in the spotlight this week for controversial comments he made when he somewhat suggested that maybe if Romney were the nominee, people should vote for President Obama instead of Romney. As you can imagine, the Romney campaign, the Gingrich campaign quickly attacking that. Santorum clarifying his comments last night. Randi, here's what he had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) RICK SANTORUM, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Everybody knows full well my passion about defeating Barack Obama, and yet we see this ridiculous canard that has tried to be perpetrated by the Romney campaign that somehow or other I would vote for Barack Obama. Over my dead body would I vote for Barack Obama.

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STEINHAUSER: He was pretty clear on that, but he did say what he said the other day. This story has a couple days' legs on it. I don't know how much longer it's going to last after this.

Randi, coming up next after this we've got primaries in Wisconsin and the District of Columbia and Maryland on April 3rd. We'll see how far this battle goes. Gingrich and Santorum say they're going the take it all the way to the convention in Tampa. We'll seen. Back to you, Randi.

KAYE: Thank you, Paul. We will stay tuned. And of course you should stay tuned to the bottom of the hour. We'll have much more on the Louisiana primary and the campaign with strategist James Carville and conservative analyst Amy Holmes.

Have a look at this. It's a fishing trawler adrift off the coast of British Columbia, Canada. But get this. It was swept away more than a year ago on the other side of the world by the tsunami that hit the coast of Japan. The boat is part of a giant debris field in the Pacific Ocean that was generated by the tsunami. Reynolds is back with me now.

REYNOLDS WOLF, CNN AMS METEOROLOGIST: My goodness. If that boat could speak, the stories it could tell. That's just amazing to see that and probably one of many things that we'll end up seeing or at least finding remnants of the tsunami floating around the Pacific.

I'll tell you, speaking of the Pacific, we've got one big storm coming along the California. It's going to mean rain but the higher elevations including Mt. Shasta could see anywhere from three to six inches of snowfall, also a severe chance of severe weather in the Carolinas. We'll tackle both those stories coming up, Randi.

KAYE: Thanks, Reynolds.

Coming up, CNN contributor Roland Martin will join me as we dig deeper into the killing of Trayvon Martin. He'll talk about why this case has become so important to him personally and why he's urging others to speak out.

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KAYE: Welcome back. And now back to our main bar, Trayvon Martin. We brought you the story, the president's controversial reaction and the analysis of the gun that may protect the gunman George Zimmerman. So here's our final sidebar this morning, a drilldown into why the country's demanding justice for Trayvon Martin. CNN contributor Roland Martin is calling for justice. He's been calling people out on twitter all week.

ROLAND MARTIN, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: That's right.

KAYE: You're wearing your hoodie, I see.

MARTIN: After Geraldo Rivera, this is what a college graduate looks like in a hoodie, just in case he was concerned.

KAYE: I did read about that nice little exchange between the two of you. So tell me first about the Trayvon Martin case. Why do you think this particular case has hit such a nerve with Americans?

MARTIN: Well, first of all, it really speaks to young African- Americans and young people because here was a young man, 17-years-old, wants to be an airplane pilot, on the phone with his girlfriend, living in a gated community, doing the right thing, not in trouble, and he ends up dead. What it says is, wait a minute, how in the world can you do all the right things, how can you raise your child the right way, and someone cast as suspicious eye on you and you end up dead?

This is the concern that we all have in terms of being black, driving while black, walking while black, that somebody can have a stereo type in their mind and still take you out. And that's really what was driving this whole issue.

KAYE: Well, you tweeted about this plenty this week, but you tweeted out this to Miami's NBA team saying "Until George Zimmerman is arrested, every NBA player should wear a hoodie during player introduction to stand up for Trayvon Martin."

And you got some attention. The Miami Heat responded. LeBron James tweeted this picture of his team paying respects and he also responded. He wrote, "We are Trayvon Martins, and stereotype, we want justice" with some hash-tags on twitter. Why have you been so vocal about this personally?

MARTIN: Because when we talk about it -- at the end of the day, here's the problem. Black people are tired of having to accommodate bigotry, accommodate racism, accommodate stereotypes. And so when Geraldo maze his comment, it was don't do what somebody else thinks. We're tired of it.

In corporate America, Randi, there are Trayvon Martin stories. We have to act a certain way, dress a certain way. African Americans don't get to have the benefit of the doubt. All we get is the doubt. I've seen it in my own life where somebody will say something and then say, oh, that's suspicious. So we deal with the code words in the workplace.

And so just like with George Zimmerman called 911 and called him suspicious, the same thing happens in corporate America. And so at some point African-Americans are saying we're sick and tired of being sick and tired. I've been speaking out for years on black-on-black violence and on this issue as well. That's what we're simply saying -- enough with saying that it was the hoodie, enough with saying it was your pair of pants. No, we have to deal with the mindset of people who have stereotypes. I drove here, Randi, and 15 people had hoodies on. I saw a white man with a red hoodie. It was cold outside. I saw an Asian man with gray hoodie on. Not one time did I see them as suspicious.

KAYE: Real quick, Roland, police say no charges because they can't find the grounds to disprove George Zimmerman's story. Do you think charges will come?

MARTIN: I think charges will come. I think they had a shoddy investigation that was ridiculous. I saw many who said they would never run an investigation like this here. They gave George Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt because of who he is, and they simply saw Trayvon Martin -- and I guarantee you in their minds, they probably said, oh, young black kid, wearing a hoodie, hmm, George has got to be right.

All I'm saying is black folks are saying enough is enough. See us as individuals and as human beings and don't judge us just based on what you see -- what you saw in television. Forget that. That day is over. That's why you have people in 50 cities across this country having rallies and vigils. I think you're going to see it more. I said it when president Obama was elected. Will that be a moment or lead to a movement? I think this issue here will certainly lead to dramatic social gist it is movement in this country.

KAYE: It's certainly feel like that now, big movement. Roland Martin, great to have you on this morning.

MARTIN: Thanks so much.

KAYE: Thank you.

And you can join CNN's Don Lemon tonight for a one-hour special on the Trayvon Martin killing.

As the national outrage intensifies, one group in particular caught our attention, minority mothers. Hear their unique perspective and advice they give their children in hopes they don't end up dying young.

And you'll hear from neighbors and friends of Trayvon Martin. It's in a special CNN report with don lemon again at 7:00 p.m. eastern tonight.

It's going be busy for the folks in the southwest and Midwest. They're cleaning up after dangerous storms and tornadoes tore through the area. We'll have the very latest on the damage and your full weekend forecast coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) KAYE: What a beautiful shot we have for you this morning of the Bay Bridge there. Cars moving already, traffic heading out. People up bright and early this morning. Nice to see.

Well, southern and central Illinois are trying to recover after ferocious storms tore through the region yesterday. Two were killed and a woman injured when a tornado touched down in Jefferson County. Police say the twister picked up the woman's mobile home and then tossed it right across the road. Several other homes were also damaged.

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KAYE: CNN's year-round campaign to honor everyday people who are changing the world begins with you, and we want you to tell us about someone you think should be recognized as a CNN hero. Go to CNN.com to nominate them and give them a chance to expand their life-changing work. Here's Anderson Cooper to show you how.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST, "AC 360": Tonight we gather to offer the best that humanity has to offer.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you join us, we'll be unstoppable.

COOPER: CNN Heroes is looking for everyday people who are changing the world. How do we find these extraordinary people? Well, with your help. You can nominate someone right now at CNNheroes.com. Maybe your hero is defending the planet by protecting the environment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have people here who care, and I'm one of them.

COOPER: Or helping people overcome obstacles.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There will be no man left behind as long as we are this nation.

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COOPER: Or finding a unique approach to solving a problem.

Whatever their cause, nominating a CNN hero is easy. First go to CNNheroes.com. Then click "nominate." We ask for some basic information about you and your nominee. Then tell us what makes your hero extraordinary. How are they changing lives for the better?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You're doing great job.

COOPER: It's really important to write from your heart because it's your words that will make your hero's story stand out.

A couple of tips. Please don't nominate yourself. It's against the rules. It's not necessary to nominate someone over and over. We read each and every nomination. Really, we do. And be selective. Those honored as CNN heroes are truly dedicating their lives to serving others. After you've told us about your hero, click "submit." It's that simple and that worthwhile. So nominate someone deserving today.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you so much for this incredible honor. This has been the greatest night of my life.

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KAYE: If you know someone who is making a big difference in the lives of others, please go to CNNheroes.com and tell us all about them. Your words just might change the lives of others.

Louisiana Republicans are voting today, and who better to tuque ta than James Carville and Amy Holmes about this one. And with the Supreme Court about to take up the health care reform, we'll take a look at the impact on the race for president as well. We'll all be right back in just a moment.

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KAYE: It is about half past the hour. Welcome back, everyone. I'm Randi Kaye. Thanks for starting your day with us.

Checking some of our top stories this morning, vigils and protests are spreading across the country over the death of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin. George Zimmerman has told police he fatally shot the 17-year-old but says it was in self-defense. The case has raised questions about Florida's stand-your-ground law. A grand jury is scheduled to convene April 10, but possible charges could come before that.

We're getting our first look inside the apartment where a gunman held off police for more than 30 hours before French special forces killed him. Mohammed Merah was wanted in the killings of seven people. Police are questioning his mother, brother, sister-in-law as well, to determine if he acted alone.

The U.S. military says Army Staff Sergeant Robert Bales could face the death penalty if he is convicted in the shooting death of Afghan villagers. Bales faces 17 murder charges.

On Monday the Supreme Court begins three days of hearings on president Obama's health care reform plan. The issue has been a hot topic for Republicans on the campaign trail, but something of a problem for Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney marked the two-year anniversary of president Obama signing the bill into law by going on the attack.

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MITT ROMNEY, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This presidency has been a failure. And at the centerpiece of this failure is this piece of legislation back here, Obamacare. And I say that for many reasons. One, you notice that the White House is not celebrating Obamacare. The president is not giving speeches. That's for a reason. Most Americans want to get rid of it. We're among those Americans. I want to get rid of it too.

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KAYE: That is just one factors Louisiana voters will be taking into account as they go to the polls today. Joining me from New Orleans to talk about today's Republican primary and the fight over health care is Democratic strategist and CNN political contributor James Carville, and from New York conservative analyst and TV anchor Amy Holmes. Good morning to both of you.

JAMES CARVILLE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Thank you.

AMY HOLMES, CONSERVATIVE ANALYST: Good morning.

KAYE: Amy, let me start with you. Does Mitt Romney's attack on health care nullify any attacks he tries to make against president Obama's plan?

HOLMES: I don't think it nullifies the attacks. That would be going too far. But it certainly complicates the attacks as Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich has pointed out. Here's Rick Santorum still in the race, largely on this issue as well as others.

But I think that Mitt Romney can also point to the fact that his legislation in Massachusetts does not include this individual -- this advisory payment board called the IPAB that the house just voted down, which Sarah Palin sort of colorfully referred to as the dealt panel and you heard him say he would like to get rid of Obamacare. But one of the last things is the Supreme Court. The decision that they come down with could be a game-changer both for President Obama and Mitt Romney.

KAYE: So, James, there are a few steps here obviously as we go through these hearings that are supposed to take six hours over three days. If, indeed, they do find this to be unconstitutional in some way, how much will it hurt the president if the justices strike down key parts of this law?

CARVILLE: I'm not sure it will hurt much. If they may have to strike it down nine-nothing, it may have a different effect than five- four on the partisan line. A lot of it depends on what they do and what parts they uphold, don't uphold, et cetera, et cetera. This thing could go any number of ways.

But I think that if it's a bitterly split, divided court, I think people will look at it as political. And I've seen polling data that suggests that people think the Supreme Court decision could be more like politics than law. But we'll wait and see. I think the decision is going to come out in June. If they overturned an election result, they'll overturn anything they want. You know, they're going to figure out what's most politically expedient and down with a decision. KAYE: James, you're in Louisiana, so let's talk about Louisiana. This is another southern state where Mitt Romney looks like he could be in trouble. And if he ends up getting the nomination, how much is this soft support we're seeing in the south going to hurt him in the race against President Obama?

CARVILLE: That's a good question. In Louisiana, probably not much. This is a tailor-made state for Rick Santorum. You have a heavily Catholic vote. It's mostly evangelical. You're going to have a low turnout, you know, that favors somebody with more favored supporters, if you will. If Santorum doesn't do well here, I mean that would be the really big news. If he does well, thing that would be more expected.

Where it's going to hurt him a little bit is maybe places like Indiana, North Carolina, Virginia, you know, some of these states that are not as reliably red like Louisiana is. You know, it could have some effect and turn out, enthusiasm levels, and a lot of other things out there. They're decidedly unenthusiastic about it.

KAYE: Sure. Amy, let's turn to the Trayvon Martin case. You've heard President Obama has been criticized by some in the African- American community for not speaking out earlier. Yesterday he made the story very personal. Listen to what he said.

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OBAMA: You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. And, you know, thing they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and get to the bottom of what exactly happens.

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KAYE: Amy, what do you think about that? Did he say the right thing?

HOLMES: I think it was right for President Obama to speak out in sympathy of Trayvon's family and of so many Americans that have rallied in support of Trayvon. I can understand why he took his time. If you remember when President Obama leapt into the controversy involving the professor from Harvard, Professor Gates and the Cambridge police, when he called up the team owner of the Philadelphia team owners in the Michael Vick incident, and when he called Sandra Fluke and lent his support to her. A lot of people are saying, then why not Trayvon?

But then on the other side you can see reluctance. In each one of those instances I named, he got in a lot of hot water. But we do want the president to rally all of us as Americans. In a case like this that is so tragic, and that the perpetrator is still at large is unfathomable. This is a 17-year-old boy who's dead.

KAYE: James, do you think he said enough, or did he say too much, the president? CARVILLE: Amy said it pretty good. We don't always agree, but I think she said it good. Right now it's an ongoing investigation. I'm sure that if this man Zimmerman is indicted, that the lawyers are going to argue that it was overly publicized and everything else. I wouldn't be surprised if the White House Counsel advises the president. I don't know that. But I agreed. I thought it was appropriate. I thought they were good. And I thought it was particularly humanizing to say that if he'd have had a son, he would have looked like that. I would agree with Amy. I thought he was right on.

KAYE: I'm glad we could leave it this morning with the two of you agreeing on something. James Carville and Amy Holmes, thank you very much. Have a great day.

Tomorrow in our 8:00 hour be sure to join us in a special conversation with Nicholas Kristoff. Read his Sunday column and then tune into CNN to see what inspired it.

The health care reform bill clocked in at nearly 2,000 pages, longer than "War and Peace," so no wonder it seems complex. Wait till you see how some storybook favorites break it all down for us.

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KAYE: Take a look at this video coming from Washington, D.C. you're taking a live look at the country's capital where people are starting to gather. It's all about this rally ahead of next week's Supreme Court arguments on the health care reform bill. Those start Monday. It's supposed to last three days. The rally will include numerous Tea Party speakers as well as Herman Cain, former GOP presidential candidate.

The Obama administration's sweeping health care reforms have been under fire since they were signed into law two years ago. And Monday the Supreme Court will hear argument from 26 states on the constitutionality of that law. But do we really understand how it works? Lizzie O'Leary explains in storybook form.

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LIZZIE O'LEARY, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Meet jack and Jill. They're married with two kids, and together make $49,000 a year, about the middle American income. But like 15 million people with similar incomes, they don't have health care insurance, not worried if you're not worried about falling down the hill.

Under the new law Jack and Jill are winners. They can buy private insurance from what's called an exchange starting in two years. The idea is that lots of people buying at the same time would get a better price, and the plans have to meet minimum standards set by the government. Jack and Jill would also get a subsidy to help them buy their plan.

Mary only makes $13,000 selling little lambs. She's also a winner. She can get insurance under an expansion of Medicaid. And 17 million Americans like her will be eligible for that. And about 51,000 kids with pre-existing conditions, like Hansel and Gretel, are also winners. They can't be denied coverage, and all kids can stay on their parents' insurance until they're 26.

Where does the money come from? That brings us to the losers, including the roughly 19 percent people who have high cost, gold- plated plans like prince charming here. Starting in 2018 that fancy plan he gets from the castle would be tacked at 40 percent. He will see his payroll taxes go up, like the 3 million other Americans who make more than $200,000 a year.

Also on the losing end, companies like Fairy Godmother industries. It employs more than 50 people making glass slippers. So it has to offer insurance or pay a fine. And 94 percent of similar sized companies already do, so only a small number would pay more under the new law.

We end this story with a toss-up. Insurance companies could both win and lose. They'll have to pay the government more than $8 billion a year, but they get up to 40 million new customers like Jack and Jill who by law must get insurance or pay a penalty.

Lizzie O'Leary, CNN.

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KAYE: A very interesting way of looking at that. As I mentioned, starting Monday the Supreme Court will hear arguments on the constitutionality of parts of the health care law. And tomorrow morning right here on CNN we'll break down the case with a constitutional law experiment and take a look at the politics of the issue. It's our main bar on CNN Sunday Morning.

Plus part of the excitement of traveling is trying new adventures, including food. But it's not just a party for your taste buds. We'll explain the benefits for your brain.

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KAYE: Get ready to tear down those Justin Bieber and Robert Pattinson posters, because if you have tweents, "Hunger Games" mania is about to take over your life. It is Lion Gates new big budget flick that takes place in a post-apocalyptic world where teens are forced to fight each other to their death. It may be just a little more violent than "The Karate Kid." Joining me from Los Angeles, Conor Knighton, actor, producer, and all around plugged-in dude. Good morning, Conor.

CONOR KNIGHTON, ACTOR AND TELEVISION PRODUCER: Are you telling me I have to tear down my Bieber posters?

KAYE: It's time.

KNIGHTON: That's ridiculous.

KAYE: Have you seen "Hunger Games"? Does it meet all the wild expectations?

KNIGHTON: It does. I did see it. I was part of the hoard of folks who went to the midnight screening. There were 15 screens all playing "Hunger Games." There was a showing at 12:01, 12:02, 12:03. It was a madhouse. I never have seen anything like it.

KAYE: Did you like it?

KNIGHTON: I did like it, yes. And I may not be the target audience, but think that's why it's going do so well. Even though it comes from this young adult novel, it has a wide appeal. It's a human story, it's a sci-fi story. And I thought it was great, very well done, very well acted.

KAYE: Do you think it could hurt at the box office or do you think it could have the potential to be something like twilight?

KNIGHTON: I think it could be bigger. It's certainly better. The violence is -- it's not so much what you see on scene. It's a PG- 13 and you've probably seen more violent scenes on TV. But the idea of it is -- which is "The Hunger Games" involves kids killing kids. It's a fight to the death gladiator style and so that's a theme if you're taking a younger child, you want to be prepared for that. But, no, I think that actually might be its asset that it's a more adult story.

KAYE: Let's talk about the show "Mad Men." AMC's popular series returns tomorrow night. I'm serious what you think about it and what you think fans might expect for the fifth season.

KNIGHTON: First of all it's worth mentions that's also a Lions Gate production. They're having a huge weekend, blockbusters all around for them. I'm a huge "Mad Men" fan. It's been a year and a half since it's been on TV. In TV time that's a huge gap and it's a very densely plotted show, so trying to catch up to where these folks were last season, I assume the premiere is going to give us a little bit of backstory. But it's going to move straight ahead. And they've matured, I assume a lot. It's his 40th birthday in this pilot or premiere. It will be fun to catch up with them.

KAYE: Why did they wait so long?

KNIGHTON: Depending on who you ask, some say it's because of the contract negotiations. Also AMC's had a big year, and they had other big series to introduce. "The Walking Dead" was a smash show for them so scheduling-wise it made more sense to put emphasis on that and they knew the "mad men" fans were loyal enough they would hopefully wait a year to check it out later. Hopefully that's the case.

KAYE: Conor, nice to chat with you.

KNIGHTON: Great, nice chatting with you.

KAYE: Have a great weekend.

KNIGHTON: Thanks. KAYE: It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a, well, a giant paper airplane -- seriously. Don't go anywhere. We're going to show you more and tell you how they got this thing off the ground.

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KAYE: Welcome back. Reynolds and I are having a few laughs about some of the best stories out there this weekend, some of the funny things.

WOLF: At least one.

KAYE: There were a few goodies. Our producer picked out a couple. We did as well. Take a look at this first one. It's a unique airplane flight. It's a 45-foot 800-pound paper airplane, Reynolds, with this 24-foot wingspan.

WOLF: Simple design, something kids make in school all the time. Now they made a bigger version. They launched from a helicopter.

KAYE: Yes. It had to be towed behind a helicopter and then they had to let it go. It's defied gravity. It soared at 98 miles an hour, 2,700 feet. So a pretty short flight, but certainly a memorable one. It was inspired, believe it or not by a 12-year-old Tucson resident whose paper airplane flew the farthest in some competition.

WOLF: This is basically taking a kid's dream and putting it up in a helicopter some 2,000 feet out. It's pretty cool.

KAYE: So that is some good clean fun we found. Now we have one that's a little questionable.

WOLF: Here's where the bottom falls out.

KAYE: This is a pretty bizarre story. An 18-year-old, Mike Stone is his name, we're going to call him out. He was looking for a special lady to bring to his prom. And, Reynolds, who did he find?

WOLF: I can't believe it. He found a porn star. He found a porn star. He's gotten hundreds of tweets of stars, celebrities, even Snooki, and he got lucky, so to speak -- bad choice of words. She's a 19-year-old adult entertainer, Megan Piper, agreed to be his date.

KAYE: But the school, I guess, would have nothing to do with this one. They said absolutely not. She cannot come to the prom. He wasn't too happy about that.

WOLF: Matt, as a high school guy, you have to do three things, number one, go to high school, number two, get the best grade you can, and number three, don't ask a porn date to prom.

KAYE: I think he lost his allowance.

WOLF: I don't think allowance is any longer existent in this world.

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KAYE: That was fun. We'll be right back.

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