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Charles Manson Up for Parole; Jet Fighter Crashes into Apartment Complex; March Jobs Report Disappointing; Fred Couples Leads at Masters; Kim Kardashian May be Dating Kanye West; New Car Flies

Aired April 07, 2012 - 10:00   ET

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RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: A killer loose in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Four shootings that left three dead may be connected, and now the FBI's involved.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The whole thing was in flames, the whole backyard.

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KAYE: A fighter jet turns a Virginia apartment building into a ball of fire. What was behind this fiery crash?

Also, Charles Manson's parole hearing next week. Why it might be his last one. We talk with the man who put him behind bars.

And later, it's a bird, it's a plane, it's a flying car? We'll have a live report from New York.

CNN Saturday Morning starts right now.

It is Saturday, April 7th. Good morning, everyone. I'm Randi Kaye.

Now more on that manhunt in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The FBI has joined the search if what's believed to be a lone shooter responsible for three deaths. We're told the shooter drove up, asked his victims for directions and then started firing.

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SGT. DAVE WALKER, TULSA POLICE: Three dead bodies in one day, spread out like we have here in one general geographical area but yet far enough apart where obviously someone is mobile.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is scary if they're randomly running around because they could do it at any time.

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KAYE: There have been four incidents in all. It started Friday morning with the first shooting in a predominantly African-American neighborhood. That person later died. But about three minutes later another shooting a short drive away. Two men were shot, both survived, and are helping with the investigation. Less than an hour after the first shooting, a second died. He's 54-year-old Bobby Clark. He died at the hospital. And finally more than seven hours after the first killing, a fourth incident, 34-year-old William Allen shot in the chest.

Earlier I talked with Tulsa city councilman Jack Henderson and asked him about what he's telling his residents in his did strict.

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JACK HENDERSON, TULSA, OKLAHOMA CITY COUNCILMAN: What we're trying to do is assure the citizens we don't need anybody to go and take matters into their own hands. We want to give the police department an opportunity and to support them in trying to apprehend this person. We need to cooperate with the police. I know that there's pockets of people that have not traditionally done that, but this is the crisis situation. A lot of people are afraid for their lives, for their children, afraid for their loved ones. And if you can't walk on by or walk down the street in the city that you live in, then that's definitely a problem.

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KAYE: Councilman Henderson says he does consider this a hate crime bus the suspected shooter is white, the victims are all black, and all the incidents were in African-American areas.

All accounted for, that's the news from a apartment building in Virginia Beach that was hit by a falling fighter jet. Amazingly no one was killed in this fiery crash. One of the pilots is still in the hospital. It's being called "catastrophic mechanical failure." Investigators are trying to determine exactly what happened. Meanwhile all of the residents in that burned out apartment complex have been found. We may learn more later today. Officials plan to hold a news conference later to update the situation at 1:00 eastern.

Just days before an important deadline in Syria, the opposition says at least 62 people were killed in the government's brutal crackdown. Tuesday is the big day. That's the day that Syria's military is supposed to cease fire and withdrawal from cities and towns. Last hour I talked with the chairman of the Syrian network for human rights, and he says it seems the deadline may be serving to escalate the violence.

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MOUSAB AZZAWI, CHAIRMAN SYRIAN NETWORK FOR HUMAN RIGHTS: Since the initiative, more than 300 people have been killed. And if you look to what is happening today in Hama, many small villages have been attacked by mortar shells, by heavy artillery indiscriminately with the support of the military aircraft. More than 100 people were killed under the rubbles of their houses. So I think it's getting very, very worse.

(END VIDEO CLIP) KAYE: Syrian president Assad agreed to the peace plan put forth by former U.N. secretary-general Kofi Annan last month, but now the question is whether Assad and the military will abide by that promise.

Noted artist Thomas Kinkade has died. That's him on the right. He was just 54. His family says the self-proscribed painter of light died of natural causes. Kinkade is known for his paintings of scenes of wooded cabins, seascapes, and classic American scenes.

A witness to the Trayvon Martin case offering up new details now on the night George Zimmerman shot and killed the Florida teen. We altered the witness's voice to protect the identity.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were two yells for help. The first was as just a clear, loud yell for help. But really it's the second one that really always will stay with me. It was like a yelp, a devastating desperate type of yell for help. It could have, in a sense, have been a cry. The investigator said to me kindly, he just said, well, if it makes you feel any better, the person that was yelling for help is alive. I really thought it was the boy crying for help, but here's the leading investigator telling me that, no, it was Mr. Zimmerman.

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KAYE: Zimmerman's attorney disputes that. A grand jury is expected to convene next week to take up the case. Zimmerman has admitted shooting Martin, but says it was self-defense. Protesters have called for Zimmerman's arrest.

Take a look at your tax dollars at work. This is new video of a skit done by employees at the government's General Services Administration. "The Huffington Post" posted the video of the skits on its website. The skits were part of a GSA gathering in Las Vegas, and it cost you, just in case you're wondering, $820,000. Yes, you, the taxpayer. You're also on the hook in about half a million in employee gifts like iPods. Congress is now taking a closer look.

The first winner has claimed part of last week's massive mega millions jackpot. The Kansas winner finally came forward yesterday but wants to remain anonymous. So lottery officials presented the big check to a cardboard poster figure. You see it there. Winning tickets were also sold in Maryland and Illinois.

All right, Reynolds, just curious, would you have come forward if you had won the millions?

REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: The problem with the cardboard poster figure, I don't know how they spend. You've taken all the money and bought it on who knows, candy.

KAYE: Not clothing, that's for sure. WOLF: Today's going to be a nice day for many people in the southeast and certainly for cardboard people. It's going to pretty dry today. Same deal for the rest of the U.S. scattered showers and thunderstorms, possibly a tornado or two. Plus we'll take a look at the forecast of the Masters. So far, so good among the land of the azaleas. That's coming up in just a few.

KAYE: Great day for golf. Thank you, Reynolds.

Well, Charles Manson is up for parole again. Is there new hope he'll get out this time? We'll talk to an attorney who's an expert on criminals sentenced to life trying to get parole, plus, the author of "Helter-Skelter. This is CNN Saturday Norning where the news doesn't take the weekend off.

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KAYE: Lovely shot of Los Angeles. Everybody's waking up, taking advantage there. I imagine a lot of you will be heading out for all the Easter and Passover festivities.

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KAYE: I want you to take a look at this picture with me. Does cult leader and murderer Charles Manson still look dangerous to you? Well, California's parole board will hold a hearing on Wednesday to determine whether he's still a major threat to society. It will be the 12th and very possibly the last parole hearing for the 77-year-old inmate. Criminal defense attorney and expert on the lifer parole process Randy Kravis joins me now from Los Angeles. Good morning. Let's get right to it. What are Manson's chances of getting out?

RANDY KRAVIS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Charles Manson has absolutely zero chance of getting out because the fact of the matter is he hasn't done anything to convince the department of corrections that he's been rehabilitated on he doesn't pose a risk to sew seat if he were let out into the general public. In fact, he's done just the opposite. He's refused to accept responsibility for what he's done, refused remorse. And even though he's acknowledged his actions in the crime, he's maintained he hasn't violated any of god's laws as he says it, and he still considers himself a victim of the system. So with that as a backdrop, no inmate would have a chance of getting out. So the chances are none for Manson.

KAYE: So what exactly is the process? We have this parole hearing on Wednesday. From what I understand he didn't show up for the last one. So how does it work?

KRAVIS: That's right. Sure. There are two parole board commissioners. They're the ones who are going to make the decision as to whether the inmate's going to get paroled or not. The inmate comes in with his attorney. For the most part it's a question and answer session between the commissioners and the inmates. They go over his record with him, ask him questions about it. It's about the inmate. It's his show. There are parts of the parole hearing process where the attorneys get to speak and where the victims get to speak, but for the most part it's about the inmate.

And I think that's the salient point to remember about this parole hearing process. It's different than a criminal trial. In a criminal trial it's the defense attorney who puts on the show while the defendant sits idly by. It's the opposite in a parole in a hearing. In fact, the last thing the parole board wants to hear is some mouthpiece like me getting up there and telling them how great my client is and how rehabilitated he is. They want to hear it from the inmate himself.

KAYE: When you look at him, though, he's an old man. What danger would he pose as an old man out there?

KRAVIS: You know, that's a really good question because that's the exact question that the parole board's going to ask in deciding whether or not an inmate is suitable for parole. But consider this, and this is what the parole board's going to think. Charles Manson didn't actually kill anybody personally, OK? He ordered other people to do the killing for him.

So even though he is feeble and he's old and maybe he doesn't pose as much of a physical threat personally right now, his danger is not in being this menacing physical figure. It's in his uncanny ability to control people, to get people to do what he wants to do.

So the way I think a parole board is going to see it is even though he may not be much of a physical threat at this point in time, he poses as much of a threat now as he did back in 1969, perhaps even more because he's kind of a rock star, an evil twisted rock star, but a rock star nonetheless. He captures our imagination.

KAYE: Has he behaved himself in prison? I'm just curious. Does that weigh into the parole decision as well?

KRAVIS: Yes, absolutely it does, and the answer is, no, he has not behaved himself in prison. It's my understanding in the last five years he's been written up for possessing a cellphone, which is legal, for threatening a corrections officer, for possessing a sharpened pen that can be used as a weapon. So that combined with him not expressing remorse, he doesn't have chance.

And keep this in mind as well. It is extremely hard for any inmate to be released from parole, even when they do exactly what you ask of them. I have had clients who have stayed clean in prison, who have taken vocational classes to get employable when they get out, who have immersed themselves in self-help programs like alcoholics anonymous and repeatedly and consistently expressed contrition. Yet, if there's one red flag on their record that can derail their chances to get paroled. So you can imagine if it's hard for them to get paroled, what are the chances of Charles Manson, who hasn't even denounced what he's done.

KAYE: What's next for him. Will he ever get out?

KRAVIS: Under the old law, if you got denied parole, the farthest out you could seek parole was five years. But the law was changed in California a couple years ago. It's now 15 years. You can do the math. He's 77 years old. If he got a 15-year denial, he'd be 92 years old. So there is a good chance this may be the end of the road for him as far as parole hearings are concerned.

KAYE: That was a fascinating conversation. Randy Kravis, great to have you on the show today. Thank you.

KRAVIS: Thanks, Randy.

KAYE: And in just 60 seconds we'll talk to the man who put Manson behind be bars, the author of "Helter-Skelter." We'll get his insight into the mind of one of the most infamous serial killers, next.

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KAYE: He's been denied parole 11 times, but Charles Manson is up for parole again come Wednesday. Many believe it is the 77-year-old killer serial killer, notorious cult leader's last shot at freedom. The man who put Manson behind bars, Vincent Bugliosi, joins me now on the phone from Los Angeles. He's also the author of "Helter-Skelter," a very popular book on the Manson murders. Welcome to the show this morning. I guess my first question to you, do you think there's any shot that Manson will be paroled?

VINCENT BUGLIOSI, FORMER L.A. CITY PROSECUTOR: No. Theoretically there is, of course, but from a practical matter, absolutely not.

Look at his two co-defendants right now who are still alive, one is convicted of seven murders, the other, Leslie Van Houten, only two. She hasn't been free. So the motion you'd not set Leslie Van Houten free but you set Manson free, and he's the one behind all the murders, he orchestrated and ordered all these murders, it's preposterous on its face. Basically it's a non-issue and it's not going to happen. Manson knows this. He frequently hasn't showed up at parole hearings. It automatically will be turned down.

KAYE: Do you still think he's dangerous to society?

BUGLIOSI: Yes, I think so. But that's really not the issue. Even if he were not still dangerous and he was completely rehabilitated from a theoretical standpoint, for what he did at the very minimum he should spend the rest of his life behind bars. Some people forget that Manson originally sentenced to death. I told the jury if this was not a proper case for them to sentence the death penalty, no case ever would be. And I actually challenged the jury and said if you're unwilling to come back with a verdict of death in this case then we should abolish the death penalty in the state of California. How many people do you have to get to get the death penalty?

And the jury did return verdicts of death against Manson and his codefendants. But the very next year the California Supreme Court and the United States Supreme Court ruled the death penalty was unconstitutional, not per se, but the way it was being implemented by the states. And they made the ruling retroactive. There were over 600 people on death row at the time in the country, and that's why Manson and his codefendants are now serving life sentences.

KAYE: As we talk about it this morning, I mean, you are the guy who put him behind bars and you wrote the best-selling book on the Manson murders. Why do you think we're all still so fascinated with Manson?

BUGLIOSI: For people who are fascinated by Manson, and many are, others mass murders like John Gacy, Richard Speck, Jeffrey Dahmer, are very sick psychopaths who kill for no reason other than to satisfy their homicidal urges, and people don't find that too interesting.

Manson and his murderers, on the other hand, at least to extremists in our society are downright hip to them, because as misdirected as Manson's violence was, it was political, revolutionary, as he told his followers, to bring about a new and better social order. And I think therein lies his main appeal, at least to those on the fringes, but also even to an ordinary citizen. Most of these masked killers in our society have been very simpleminded, flat intellects. Manson on the other hand is very bright. There's no question about that. Anyone who knows Manson will tell you how intelligent is he is. They're fascinated by the offbeat and sometimes penetrating insights. I think he deliberately giving enigmatic answers and allusions. And he's mentally deft to the point -- not deaf but deft, d-e-f-t -- to the point where he's able to speak in riddles which is not easy to do, but when you deconstruct the riddles, there's always an underlying message. And I think in short people are drawn to the mystery of Manson. Also the very name Manson has become a metaphor for evil.

KAYE: Was there one thing during the trial -- when you look back at the case, from what I -- from what I remember, I think the judge even started carrying a weapon at one point. Was there one thing that stands out for you?

BUGLIOSI: Well, the most sensational thing, of course, didn't even involve Manson directly was when the president of the United States, Richard Nixon in Denver, Colorado, at a law enforcement convention, said he felt Manson was guilty. He was complaining about the fact that it was me in one of the stories on the nightly news. And I became a headline throughout the night. "Manson guilty, Nixon declares." Manson got ahold of the paper, and he stood up in front of the jury and showed the jury the headline, had a little smile on his face and if he was somehow proud that the president had taken notice. And that that threw the crowd into a complete tizzy and there was a motion for a mistrial, et cetera.

So that was quite sensational, but there were many extremely bizarre things. You talked about the judge possessing a gun. One day Manson from a standing position behind the council table, leaped over the table, somehow he got ahold of a sharp pencil and started approaching the judge. The bailiffs tackled him and dragged him out of the court. And he shouted at the judge, in the name of Christian justice, someone should chop off your head. So the judge started carrying a.38 revolver. There were many extremely bizarre things about this case, very bizarre.

KAYE: It certainly is one of the most bizarre ones that we've ever covered. Vincent Bugliosi, thanks so much for your time, appreciate it.

BUGLIOSI: Thanks for having me on.

KAYE: Well, from the Amazon rain forest to the urban jungle, meet a man on a mission to provide free medical care to those who can't afford it. This week's CNN hero when we return.

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KAYE: It is 32 minutes past the hour. Welcome back, everyone. I'm Randi Kaye. Thanks for starting your day with us.

Checking top stories, three people are dead and two others injured after a shooting rampage in Tulsa, Oklahoma. A lone gunman believed to be responsible. A police spokesman says a hate crime is a possibility. All of the victims are black, the suspect is white.

As a deadline for the cease-fire in Syria approaches, opposition activists tell the French press at least 80 people have been killed across the country today. A spokesman for the U.N. secretary-general says Tuesday's withdrawal date for the Syrian military is, quote, "not an excuse for continued killing."

And more than two dozen people are waking up in a shelter after this fiery crash of a Navy fighter jet into apartment buildings in Virginia Beach. Local authorities say residents who were missing after the crash have now been accounted for. Navy officials say the plane experienced a catastrophic malfunction. The incident is under investigation.

Jobs are likely to be a defining issue in the race for president. This week's jobs report didn't have a lot of good news, though, for President Obama. Employers added 120,000 jobs in March, well short of expectations. As for the unemployment rate, it fell to 8.2 percent as more people stopped looking for work. President Obama tried to put the best spin on the numbers that he could.

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BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Our economy's created more than 4 million private sector jobs in the past two years, more than 600,000 in the past three months alone. But it's clear to every American there will still be ups and downs along the way than we've got a lot more work to do.

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KAYE: Joining me now to talk about the race for president is Robert Zimmerman. Good morning to you.

ROBERT ZIMMERMAN, HEADS PUBLIC RELATIONS FIRM: Good morning. Good to be with you. KAYE: You as well. So let's talk about this. I mean new jobs are being created, but are the job numbers moving fast enough and in a positive direction really to help the president?

ZIMMERMAN: Look, there's no way you can spin this month's jobs report. The numbers are disappointing without question. And let's also be realistic. This has been a slow and tough recovery because we're coming out of the worst recession, certainly, since the Great Depression. It's had a devastating impact on middle-class families, on women, on young people, and all working Americans. So I think it's best for the White House not to try to spin this report but just deal with that reality.

But what worries me is that in the partisan debate we're seeing, Randi, it's important not to talk down the economy. We are seeing manufacturing consistently grow over 25 months. Certainly first time unemployment benefit claims have dropped which means less people are being laid off and unemployed. Also we're seeing consumer confidence increase and retail sales go up. So we're seeing recovery, as slow as it is.

KAYE: And this week President Obama, Robert, called out Mitt Romney for endorsing Paul Ryan's Republican budget plan. Romney responded by slamming the president's three year run of budget deficits. But budgets define priorities, you know. That's what a lot of folks say. So is this fight one of the best ways we can see how different the Romney administration might be from an Obama one?

ZIMMERMAN: I think we're going to see a difference and there's a real important national debate to have, because you have an Obama administration record to have. It's one that shows progress and recovery of the economy. And then Mitt Romney is going to put his agenda on the table which is endorsing the Ryan economic budget plan which the Republican Party has almost unanimously adopted in the House and Senate. And the Ryan strategy is to focus on tax cuts, increased tax cuts for the top one percent earnings and impose cutbacks for middle-income families. We're talking student loans, privatizing Medicare which essentially ended for retires, rolling back environmental oversight to help business. So there's going to be an important debate to be had about that.

And I think when all is said and done, I think what we're seeing now is a recovery and I don't think the country wants to go back to what the Romney agenda represents.

KAYE: All right, Robert Zimmerman, nice to have you on this morning. Thank you.

ZIMMERMAN: OK. Thank you.

KAYE: Well, it's not Tiger or Rory McIlroy, but 52-year-old Fred Couples who has everyone at the Masters buzzing. His surprising surge to the top and Tiger's meltdown next. You're watching CNN Saturday Morning where news doesn't take the weekend off.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) KAYE: All right, so let's talk a little golf, shall we? Tee-off is on at the masters. We're keeping an eye at the leaderboard. Let's straight to Patrick Snell. Patrick, good morning. The surprise leader now, 52-year-old Fred Couples? He would be the oldest golfer to win a major, right, if he wins it?

PATRICK SNELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely right. Randi, yes, welcome to Augusta. This is moving day at today's major. Let me get straight into Freddy couple, 52 years young, what a story unfolding. He won his first green jacket back in 1992. This is a player who's just rolled back the years. There's a real buzz about the place.

He first came here, you know, back in 1983 to play as a professional and a quite staggering record. He hasn't missed the cut on more than two occasions since, quite incredible. What a story it would be if he could go on to take his second major off that spectacular 1992 triumph. What's impressive is at his age he's got great length off the tee. And that gives him added confidence going through the week. He believes he can still be a major factor here at Augusta.

KAYE: This is certainly getting exciting. Let's talk about tiger woods for a little bit as a well. He was certainly a heavy favorite entering into this. He's struggled and looked frustrated on the course. But do you think we should count him out yet?

SNELL: No, definitely not, Randi. Tiger Woods is a force to be reckoned with. The crowds are here in the thousands watching him tee off. He's eight shots back. He has a lot of work to do, there's no question about that. But at three over par, it just wasn't happened for him on Friday. He had such high hopes coming into this convenient. He'd won recently on the PGA at the Arnold palmer invitational in Orlando. That was his first tour win in two-and-a- half years.

But he just went to pieces in on the backside. We saw frustration. We're going to show you some video of him kicking away his club in anger. That's certainly not good to see for the thousands packed around the green and watching on worldwide television. This is hole 16. He took a nine iron. He couldn't put it on the green add his frustrations kicked him quite literally. Woods at three over par with a lot of work to do. Tiger sticking to his guns, he's a defined character, a fighter. He still believes he has a real chance.

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TIGER WOODS, GOLFER: I've been around the block for a number of years, and I understand how to be patient. I understand how to grind it out. And the tournament's not over. I mean, you know, last year in the final run I made up seven shots. So, you know, I can do this. I've just got to be patient.

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SNELL: Got to be patient. Let me show you the leaderboard very quickly. There you can see it's Jason Duffner and Freddy Couples. Tiger, eight shots back, Randi.

KAYE: Thank you for the update. Patrick Snell there watching it at Augusta.

Kim Kardashian's love life grabbing headlines once again. Is she or is she not dating rapper Kanye West? Her surprising answer is next.

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Well, she's technically still married, but reality star Kim Kardashian may have a new man in her life. She's reportedly dating rapper Kanye West. On the "Today" show Friday she didn't confirm a budding romance, but she didn't deny it either.

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KIM KARDASHIAN, REALITY TV STAR: I've said before, I mean, kanye and I have been friends for years, and, you know, you never know what the future holds or where my life will take me. So --

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KAYE: Let me bring in actor, entertainment commentator, and all around funny guy Hal Sparks, who is joining us this morning. Hal, good morning to you.

HAL SPARKS, COMEDIAN: Good morning. I'm sorry. I'm still reeling from the idea that golf may be an old man's sport from your last report. Are you telling me there's man who's 52 years old and still playing golf? Oh, my god.

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KAYE: Yes, Freddy Couples.

SPARKS: And I thought the last "Rocky" movie was crap. I have to watch that again. If they can golf, they can box.

KAYE: All right, let's talk Kim Kardashian. She didn't really say yes or no whether or not they're dating. Kind of left it open to interpretation, right?

SPARKS: Well, first of all, when you have an entire empire built on a sex tape, I don't know that the, you know, day-to-day of your relationship should shock anyone in either direction.

But let's be clear. Wednesday night, what, they went to see "The Hunger Games" together so they're like a 14-year-old couple and afterward she stayed over his house and left in the same clothes the next morning supposedly. So you can infer from that what you want.

The best part is Kanye really dating her I think is the other direction. And Kanye, keep in mind, is sort of the master of the bizarre publicity stunt, you know. Is it good, is it bad. They released one of his singles by accident or by accident on purpose. KAYE: Yes, by accident.

SPARKS: It's called the "Theraflu." And everyone's making point that in the second verse of the song, he absolutely says he loves Kim and kind of makes nice with his ex and that kind of stuff. The truth is he also mentioned project runway and PETA in the same song.

KAYE: Do you think this is all part of the buzz for "Keeping up with the Kardashians," her show?

SPARKS: Of course it is. This is entirely built on buzz. There's nothing to buy from Kardashians, be it jeans, thongs, or cookbooks if it wasn't for the fact they run on a buzz machine. And it's quite effective. So it works. This is actually -- almost like an old Hollywood marriage where they go I've got a movie coming out, you've got a movie coming out. Let's hang out for a few weeks and stir up some interests.

KAYE: Very quickly I want to talk about photos that were released.

SPARKS: I don't know knowing about -- I didn't know anybody who was shooting me at the time.

KAYE: Don't worry. You're not in them.

SPARKS: For once.

KAYE: Beyonce has start add personal blog with al these photos. Why would she do this?

SPARKS: Beyonce has the illusion she's going to live a normal life. She says I want my kids to go to a normal school and drop them off at school and be normal. You can't. There's no rolling up in your mom's escalade and jam as single from one of her nine Grammy- winning records and you have a normal existence. But I think in this she's almost like everybody else who wants to have, you know, a tumbler, a flicker, account. I think it's part her just trying to be normal, poorly. And, again, this might be a midseason drum-up for attention. You don't have an album coming out right away --

KAYE: But she's going to have one.

SPARKS: But you do something midway.

KAYE: Hal sparks, that was fun. Thank you.

SPARKS: I know. Thank you. By the way, Charles Manson is getting released is what I predict.

KAYE: OK. We'll take your word on that one.

Well, are you in the market for a new bride? There's a new car out there. This one believe it or not has wings. Stay with us, CNN Saturday morning where news doesn't take the weekend off.

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KAYE: So are you tired of traffic jams or people who drive slowly in the fast lane? Soon you may be able to tuck away the tires and let out the wings. I'm not kidding. A new flying car is in town and it's been cleared for the roadway. Our national correspondent Susan Candiotti is at the car show and is here to tell us all about it. Susan, can we expect these winged rides to hit the roads any time soon?

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It could. It's legal to drive it but the FAA has not given the final OK on it just yet. Lots of people here. We know the flying car is very popular because if you check out the auto show's Web site, it's something called the buzz. It's right there at the top of the list. I had a chance to see it up close. Check it out.

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CANDIOTTI: The top prize for one of the most amazing things that you will see at this year's auto show is this. Now, the question is it a plane that drives or is it a car that flies? It's actually both. It is called the Transition and made by a company called Terrafugia, which means escape from the earth. This already is street legal and it has an experimental license from the FAA to fly. It's taken one test flight and gone up 1,400 feet. Many more test flights are planned.

And it takes 40 seconds for the wings to unfold, an amazing sight to see. When you look inside, the dashboard pretty looks like one you would see in any car. It has both a speedometer and an altimeter. Now, that's different. Wouldn't you like one?

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CANDIOTTI: I sure would.

KAYE: I know I would. That's right.

CANDIOTTI: Yes, exactly. One of the coolest safety features about this, Randi, if something goes wrong while you're flying, they tell me there's a switch that lets out a parachute and bringing down the whole plane safely to the ground. How do you like that? And they have already taken 100 orders on this, believe it or not. A $10,000 fully refundable deposit. And there's a special deal at the auto show. The deposit is only 2,500 bucks if you get one here.

KAYE: It's like a real-life chitty-chitty bang-bang, but way cooler.

CANDIOTTI: Way cooler than that, that's for sure.

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KAYE: All right, Susan, nice to see you. Thank you.

Ahead next hour, can wearing glasses make you smarter? Google is developing a new product that puts your smartphone right in front of your face.

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KAYE: From the CNN center, this is CNN Saturday Morning. it is Saturday, April 7th. Good morning, everyone. I'm Randi Kaye.