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Obama Changes Focus on Terrorism; Toby Keith Gives back to Moore, Oklahoma; Women on Wall Street Speak Out; Toronto Mayor Blasts Crack Allegations; What's Next for Jodi Arias?
Aired May 25, 2013 - 08:00 ET
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POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Good to see you, everyone.
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HARLOW: Good morning, everyone. I'm Poppy Harlow.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Victor Blackwell, 8:00 on the East Coast, 5:00 out West. Thanks for starting your day with us.
We're now able to get a sense of the terror that people felt in Moore, Oklahoma, as the killer tornado tore through Monday afternoon. The Oklahoma Department of Emergency Management has released 9-1-1 recordings from frantic callers as the tornado struck.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Moore 9-1-1, where is your emergency?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the tornado at?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Last we heard was 19th and Western.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh my, God.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please, if you're able to take shelter, you need to.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Moore 9-1-1. Where is your emergency?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We got hit.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Was anybody injured?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are any of you guys injured?
My dad can't tell, there's a bunch of stuff right on top of us. I'm able to get out, but I don't know if they'll be able to.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, are they trapped or just injured or what?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you guys trapped? Can you get up? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can't get up!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can get out but my stepmom and dad -- I can possibly get out and (inaudible).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you guys trapped?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're trapped?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think they got it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can they get out at all, ma'am?
Ma'am, I need to (inaudible) if I can. Are they trapped or not?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can we get out of this in any way?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have got several places hit. This is very important. I need to know this now. I understand it's crazy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They can possibly get out if we can find a way. But everything in front of us, from what we can see, is wiped out.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Just take it -- try to get out if you can, if something happens and someone cannot get out and they're trapped, just call me back. Be very careful where you walk, OK? Make sure you have got shoes on.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right, hon, thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Moore 9-1-1.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's people here. We're stuck under rubble, my leg --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got a call. We're getting them out there as soon as we can.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please hurry.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'll get them out there as soon as we can. Thank you.
Moore 9-1-1.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have got a day care full of babies, we need help bad. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Do you got --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need help bad. We got a day care that just got cremated.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Moore 9-1-1, where is your emergency?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible) trapped in the closet. There's stuff all on top of us. We can't get out.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible) the closet?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Are you injured?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, we just can't breathe.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Moore 9-1-1.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we just got a call from a gentleman that lives in Moore that his house has collapsed on his kids.
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BLACKWELL: And we know 24 people did not make it on Monday. That's what it sounded like then, the cries and screams for help.
Well, today there are sounds of workers and bulldozers and chainsaws as the rebuilding begins.
Our Rene Marsh is live in Moore, Oklahoma, this morning.
People wondering how to move ahead and, Rene, how are they coping?
RENE MARSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, Victor, we hear this word often, recovery, recovery, recovery, but when you see all of this destruction, you have to wonder, how does one start that process?
And I actually spoke with one tornado survivor who says that she has asked herself that question over and over again. She lost everything. She lost her house and, believe it or not, the only thing she cares about at this moment is finding family photos.
Here's what recovery looks like for her.
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MARSH (voice-over): Brick after brick, Ardella Loughmiller digs through a mountain of wood beams, twisted metal and cement. Monday's E-5 tornado flattened her home of five years.
ARDELLA LOUGHMILLER, TORNADO SURVIVOR: When people say it sounded like a train, that doesn't even do it justice. You could hear it, womp, womp, womp. MARSH (voice-over): She rode it out in this shelter. And when the tornado passed, it left her homeless and full of doubt, doubt she could possibly recover from this.
LOUGHMILLER: I don't know what to do first. I don't know where to start. I don't know where I'll end up.
MARSH (voice-over): Under all of this rubble, Loughmiller just cares about one thing: she's digging with the hope of preserving the memories of her six late brothers.
LOUGHMILLER: And all my pictures, they're gone and my pictures are gone. But, oh well.
MARSH: Why are those pictures so important?
LOUGHMILLER: That's all I have left, they're all gone. And that's all I have left of them.
MARSH (voice-over): Strangers like Susan Crunk (ph) took the day off from work to help; this is what recovery looks like in Moore, Oklahoma.
SUSAN CRUNK (PH), RECOVERY WORKER: We just want to do the best we can so that these people can recover and stay Oklahoma strong.
MARSH (voice-over): After hours of digging...
LOUGHMILLER: This was taken at my mom's funeral.
MARSH: Is this is one of the pictures?
LOUGHMILLER: Yes.
MARSH (voice-over): A photo of four of her six late brothers. She hopes to find more.
LOUGHMILLER: There's just nothing I can tell you.
CRUNK (PH): This is all I can do. God bless you.
LOUGHMILLER: Well, God bless you people, too.
CRUNK (PH): I'm going to take her smile with me home and feel really good about it. I don't even know her name. I don't know what address we're at. I don't know where I'm at. I just know that we're in the eye of the storm and we're in the eye of the recovery.
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MARSH: All right. Well, also, Victor, the impact of this massive tornado is really more than what we're seeing with our naked eye here, the crumpled homes.
The impact goes beyond that. And speaking with her, she says that when she hears any loud noise, whether it's thunder, whether it's a loud truck passing by, she gets this fear, the same kind of fear that she felt when that tornado was heading her way on Monday. Victor?
BLACKWELL: You know I used the word rebuilding earlier and, in fact, before you get to rebuilding, you've got to clear out all that's left, all those piles behind you and as we heard, the woman said she doesn't know where to start. Rene Marsh, thank you.
HARLOW: The people of Moore, Oklahoma, are trying to move ahead with their lives doing as well as they can. They are remembering those they lost and they are giving thanks for those who survived.
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HARLOW (voice-over): Today, they will attend funerals of the three people that you see right there, 45-year-old Cindy Plumley, she was in her home when the tornado hit; 9-year-old Emily Conatzerand Christopher Legg were both classmates at Plaza Towers Elementary.
The community will also come together today to celebrate somewhat of a new beginning. It is graduation day for high school seniors in Moore and the ceremony will go on as planned.
Meantime, President Obama will travel to Moore, Oklahoma, tomorrow. He'll tour the damage and speak with some of the families impacted by that tragedy.
The president will also of course meet with and thank first responders.
If you want to help, here's what you can do, go to CNN.com/impact, we have a whole special page set up to help the people of Moore, Oklahoma. We have links to charities and also information on how to help pets, help reunite people with their pets that may have been lost in the tornado. So just log on, CNN.com/impact.
BLACKWELL: The man who calls himself America's toughest sheriff is facing some tough justice.
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BLACKWELL (voice-over): A federal judge on Friday ruled that Joe Arpaio has engaged in racial and ethnic profiling as sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona. The judge said Arpaio and his deputies have to quit considering those factors when they make law enforcement decisions. Now Arpaio, who calls his strategies tough on illegal immigration, denies the claims. His lawyer says he will appeal.
HARLOW (voice-over): And you're watching the latest launch of a key military communications satellite. This is Delta 4 rocket, it is made by United Launch Alliance. It blasted off last night from Cape Canaveral, Florida. It was carrying a communications satellite for the U.S. Air Force.
The satellite is now part of a global communications system that supports battle management and combat operations. (END VIDEO CLIP)
HARLOW: We have much more ahead for you this hour.
BLACKWELL: Here's what's coming up.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm humbled that I got my life spared. I'm saddened by the ones that didn't.
HARLOW (voice-over): Anti-gay hate crimes are up 70 percent in New York City and now police are taking action.
But what's behind the violence?
A teen is found dead in school, rolled up in a gym mat. It was ruled an accident, so why is the Department of Justice now involved? And why is the coroner telling CNN to, quote, "destroy" our interview with him?
And a hedge fund billionaire makes some outrageous comments about women traders. Here's a hint. Working mothers are not going to be happy about this one.
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BLACKWELL: All right, now to a case that has a lot of people asking questions; it's from Valdosta, Georgia.
In January, 17-year-old Kendrick Johnson was found dead upside down in the center of a rolled cheerleading mat in his high school's gym. Investigators say he was reaching into the center of the mat for a shoe, got stuck and died. They say he accidentally smothered to death.
Well, his family thinks that story is a cover-up. The paramedics report says that there were bruises on his face and that the gym was considered a crime scene. And Kendrick's parents say he was beaten to death.
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JACQUELYN JOHNSON, KENDRICK JOHNSON'S MOTHER: They said it was no foul play, he had no bruises, no nothing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you believe that?
JACQUELYN JOHNSON: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you still don't believe it?
JACQUELYN JOHNSON: No, I don't.
KENNETH JOHNSON, KENDRICK JOHNSON'S FATHER: The mat is so light he could have pushed that, just rocked and it would have fell over.
I tried to get in it. I couldn't get no forward than my neck muscles into the mat. As handsome as my son was, you see him like that, it's crazy. I really feel he was murdered. No matter who you are, how much money your parents have, the color of your skin, everyone deserves justice.
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BLACKWELL: Well, now the Department of Justice is reviewing this case.
Joining me now is former FBI federal agent and private investigator Harold Copus.
It's good to have you back.
HAROLD COPUS, FORMER FBI AGENT: Thank you, sir.
BLACKWELL: You've read over the autopsy report, the paramedics report, all the documents and know about this story. Let's start here with just the dimensions.
County officials say that 5'10" Kendrick Johnson was reaching into this mat, it's 6 feet tall, right, arm extended. His shoulders are 19 inches wide, the hole in the center is 14 inches wide.
Do you find that suspicious?
COPUS: I find a lot of it suspicious and one of the things that really makes me wonder is that he's reaching for one shoe. How did that shoe get into this mat? Makes you wonder who was in there, was there some horseplay, did someone see it? There are more questions here than there are answers right now.
BLACKWELL: OK. Let's talk about this paramedics report. You have a copy; I have a copy. Let's start with this element of bruising of the face. Now the family says they were told there were no bruises, no signs of foul play, but the paramedics report says that there was bruising noted on the right side of his jaw.
COPUS: It does. And what's interesting is when you look at the autopsy report, there's no mention of any bruising, so it doesn't make any sense. Now, you might get away with that by saying maybe when he went into the mat, that bruised his face. I don't know. No one knows, but that doesn't -- something doesn't ring true here.
BLACKWELL: Let's talk about the consideration that it's a crime scene.
Is that typical if the sheriff's office is there investigating or does someone have to tell the paramedics that this is a crime scene? COPUS: Someone had to tell him it was a crime scene, so there was a school resource officer on the scene. You would think by the time the medics got there, police were already there. I suspect the body was pulled out, initially looked at because they made certain determination about eye movement, things like this.
They couldn't have done that if the body was down, stuffed down in this mat. Again, a lot more questions than there are answers.
BLACKWELL: One more thing -- and we discussed this right before we came on -- it says that a 17-year-old male, they received a call that a 17-year-old male was complaining of cardiac arrest.
I've listened to the 9-1-1 calls. They say he was dead when they found him. How would that make it into this report?
COPUS: Doesn't make any sense. How could it be a cardiac arrest? Possibly they just put that down as standard language; until you interview those people you don't know.
BLACKWELL: One other thing the coroner, county elected official, constitutional officer as is the sheriff, he has been very vocal about this case leading up to the release of this report. He says that he was supposed to be called as soon as the body was found. He was called five hours later. I also want you to hear what he told our affiliate WCTV in April.
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BILL WATSON, LOWNDES COUNTY, GEORGIA, CORONER: I don't know what the county did when they got there on the scene. The body had been moved. The scene, in my opinion, had been compromised.
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BLACKWELL: I found that to be amazingly unusual for two constitutional officers in an investigation to go head to head on something like this.
COPUS: Very much so and the body -- the scene was compromised, there's no doubt about it. Now the question is, did anyone take any crime scene photos upon initial entry?
And what were the written statements from the paramedics? We don't know that yet.
BLACKWELL: I have two things I got to get to.
He said, the coroner, Bill Watson, sent me an e-mail after we did an interview and he said something similar. I want to put up part of that e-mail.
He told me through this e-mail, "I would appreciate it if you would destroy this interview with me. I do not want this to be shown whatsoever. I feel that our situation should not be aired."
Of course, CNN decided that we would air it. I called to ask why.
He said that. "This just needs to end; it's gone too far."
Final question: are there enough questions here that if you were the person deciding for DOJ, should there be an investigation opened into this investigation of the death?
COPUS: Definitely.
BLACKWELL: No question about it?
COPUS: No question about it.
BLACKWELL: All right. Former FBI agent and now private investigator, Harold Copus, thank you very much for looking over the case with us.
COPUS: Yes, sir.
BLACKWELL: Poppy?
HARLOW: Fascinating interview, Victor. I know you've been all over that story. So we'll keep on top of it for our viewers.
Meantime, something disturbing is happening in New York, we are seeing protests in the streets of New York because of it, demonstrators say they will not be intimidated by a dramatic rise in anti-gay hate crimes in a city that has one of the largest gay populations in the country. Next we'll look at what is being done to keep people safe.
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HARLOW: Good morning, New York City. A live look down at New York City right now, you can see some rain there, not going to warm up very much today for Memorial Day weekend, only getting up to the mid- 50s or so in New York today.
Well, also in New York, there has been a disturbing and stunning rise in hate crimes this year against gay men. It's happening in a city that has one of the largest gay populations in the country.
You might know this name, Mark Carson, a 32-year old. He was shot to death last week, allegedly by a person who taunted him for being gay, and there were two more anti-gay attacks just this week alone.
I want to bring in our Zain Asher. She's live for us this morning in New York.
Zain, you're covering this story. There have been six hate crime attacks in just the last few weeks there in New York, including mark Carson, his death and then more than 20 of these attacks alone in New York in the last year.
Police, what are they saying?
Are they at a loss to explain why this is happening, why we're seeing this surge?
ZAIN ASHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, Poppy. Everybody is at a loss to explain why. Now just to give you some perspective, hate crimes against gays specifically have risen by 70 percent in the last year, that is obviously a huge amount.
One theory is more people are simply coming forward to report these crimes. That is what people are saying to me.
But everyone is saying hate crimes against gays are unfortunately a reality that they have to deal with all the time, but in this particular case they just feel as though more people are coming forward to report them.
What they're saying is that the most shocking part of this is that, in a city as open and as liberal, by the way as New York, that this is happening here, that is really a shocking thing. Poppy?
HARLOW: Well, and there was just a big march. I saw some of it this week, in New York, and I wonder, you're talking to people there.
Are they talking about how they're protecting themselves?
ASHER: Yes, they are. Just to mention, yes. We did get a huge rally on Monday, that was in honor of Mark Carson specifically and there was also a mini rally yesterday, people chanting "We won't take it any longer, down with homophobia."
But in terms of how they're protecting themselves, we are seeing a surge in the number of community outreach programs in the area, people handing out flyers, letting people know what they can do to stay safe. They have hotlines available so that if gay people feel as though they are being targeted in any way, they can call those hotlines as well.
So the community is really rallying together to protect their own. Poppy?
HARLOW: And Zain, I think you spoke with some of these people. Are you able to play us some of that sound?
ASHER: Absolutely. We did speak to a couple. We asked them what are you guys doing differently now we've seen a surge in these attacks? Here's what they had to say.
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TICO TORRES, NYC RESIDENT: We're much more alert and we've become probably a little more aggressive and defensive New Yorkers now, because we figure, you know what? You've got to protect yourself. You've got to really stand up for yourself. You can't just let these idiots come into your neighborhood and beat you up. You've got to fight back.
HARLOW: Yes, Zain, absolutely very, very troubling. One quick question for you. I know at the beginning you said that police and authorities there think people are reporting this more.
Do they think that's the reason these numbers are going up?
Or do they think they're seeing a significant increase in these attacks?
ASHER: They're saying they think it's actually the fact that people are reporting them more. That's what their theory is at least, they said that nothing else can explain the sudden surge. Seventy percent is an unbelievably huge amount. But their theory is people are coming forward to report them more.
HARLOW: We'll keep a very close eye on it. Zain, thank you.
Well, changing the focus of counterterrorism. President Obama has laid out his strategy, a big speech this week, but will it work? We'll ask national security expert Peter Bergen, talk to him in-depth to get his take on the president's plan.
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HARLOW: Bottom of the hour, welcome back, everyone. I'm Poppy Harlow.
BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. Thank you for starting your morning with us.
Let's start with five stories we are watching this morning.
Number one, the next step in the recovery for Moore, Oklahoma. More than 12,000 homes were damaged or destroyed when that tornado hit Monday. Millions of dollars have been pledged to the community and to the red cross to help out. Today they'll lay to rest three more tornado victims, two of them just 9 years old. Tomorrow President Obama will be in Moore to tour the damage from the tornado.
HARLOW: At least 17 children have been killed in a blast in Pakistan. Police say a gas cylinder attached to a mini van carrying those children exploded. Officers believed intense heat may have been the cause, may have ignited the cylinder. Gas cylinders are fitted to cars in Pakistan as a cheaper alternative sometimes to gasoline engines.
BLACKWELL: Officials in upstate New York are expected to resume their search this morning for a man who disappeared in a small plane crash. Another man and woman were killed last night when their twin engine piper went down in this really heavily wooded area. Officials say they were on an Angel flight piloted by volunteers who help patients get medical treatment. There's no word yet on the identity of those victims.
HARLOW: Number four, a landmarked pier in Maryland has reopened after part of it collapsed during Superstorm Sandy. You can see the damage after October storm swept 100 feet of the pier right away there. But look now, the ocean city pier is fixed. The mayor says it shows the city is back to business as usual.
Number five now new details in the horrible killing of a British soldier in broad daylight. A childhood friend of one of the accused attackers is now under arrest in London himself. And he revealed that this suspect in the killing was actually recruited by the British Security Service. Police say the friend was arrested on suspected terrorism offenses not related to the killing.
HARLOW: And President Obama made it clear this week the war on terror as we know it is over but just in the traditional sense, the war on terror that we saw under President George W. Bush, the attack in Boston, Benghazi, the horrific butchering in London also is making that more clear. Terrorism is here to stay, but how the country deals with it that is what is changing.
So we want to talk about this, dig deeper with our national security analyst Peter Bergen who joins me now. Peter thank you for coming in. I appreciate it.
PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Good morning.
HARLOW: Good morning to you. So here's one of the things that the President said in his speech, this was Thursday at the National Defense University. Listen.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Now make no mistake, our nation is still threatened by terrorists, from Benghazi to Boston, we have been tragically reminded of that truth. But we have to recognize that the threat has shifted and evolved from the one that came to our shores on 9/11.
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HARLOW: So Peter you wrote a CNN.com piece about this and you say it boils down to this. You said quote, "President George W. Bush's endless war on terror is over."
So explain for us the shift. What did you take from what we heard from the President?
BERGEN: Well Poppy, I think this is the first time the President ever actually gave a speech which was really laid out his entire counterterrorism philosophy. We've had other speeches which looked at Guantanamo or the Afghan war. And basically what he was saying in this speech is that, you know, we need to rethink the authorization for the use of military force which really was the kind of congressional resolution that allowed President George W. Bush to go into Afghanistan and then has been used to go up against terrorists in other countries, and that we're not in a state of permanent war. We shouldn't be, we haven't been in the past in American history.
And when combat troops are taken out of Afghanistan at the end of 2014 it's time for that authorization to lapse. Now that doesn't mean that the President as Commander-in-Chief wouldn't be able to take drone strikes the targets that pose some kind of eminent threat to the United States but it means that the state of war that existed since 9/11 basically would be wound down.
HARLOW: You know it's interesting, because the President also called this a moment to ask ourselves questions, about the nature of today's threats, clearly we're seeing how they're changing and he said we have to define the struggle or it will define us.
But interestingly in a "New York Times" piece this morning, it talked about the President's shift and it's it is quote, "Fraught with risks and hostage to forces that are often out of the President's control." What do you make of that?
BERGEN: Well I mean I think that's probably almost certainly a reference to Guantanamo. I mean the President in his speech said that you know we're going to start the process of you know transferring prisoners out. There are 86 prisoners who have been cleared for transfer back to their home countries, you know. But you know Congress has voted to make sure that, you know, money won't be appropriated to allow prisoners to leave Guantanamo so that's a problem.
I mean the President can do things administratively as the Commander-in-Chief, as the chief executive, but you know the devil will be in the details and, of course, Yemen where many of these Guantanamo detainees are from has an extremely poor, shall we say, prison system. I mean on two occasions people involved in the attack of the "USS Cole" have escaped from the prison in Yemen.
So you know the President is trying to jumpstart again something that he said that he would do, you know, a year after he was first elected, but it will take time.
HARLOW: Yes and he addressed that heckler who was really yelling at him saying "You are Commander-in-Chief, you can close Guantanamo". Now the President also mentioned the shift during his commencement address at the naval academy yesterday. Listen.
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OBAMA: As we move beyond deploying large ground armies abroad we still need to conduct precise targeted strikes against terrorists before they kill our citizens and even as we stay vigilant in the face of terrorism and stay true to our Constitution and our values we need to stay ready for the full range of threats, on nations seeking weapons of mass destruction to cyber criminals seeking to unleash weapons of mass destruction.
(END VIDEO CLIP) HARLOW: So listening to this and then listening to the full speech on Thursday, I think the big question is details. Do you, Peter, get a sense that there is a clear plan to combat this shift in these new types of threats?
BERGEN: Yes I mean I think there has been. I mean we have a Cyber Command for instance to deal with issues on cyber security. And the United States has a quite an aggressive cyber offensive capability which we used in Iran to you know to basically slow down their nuclear program. There are the sanctions in place on Iran they are certainly -- they have affected the Iranian economy rather dramatically.
Had they changed the desire or impulse of the Iranian leadership to get the nuclear weapons? I think the short answer is no and the history of sanctioning nations to get -- to get them what you -- you know to do what you want is not particularly you know optimistic to suggest that the Iranians will suddenly just drop their desire for nuclear weapons.
But you know, that said, I think the United States short of, you know, going to war with Iran is doing as much as possible in a peacetime situation to prevent them from acquiring nuclear weapons.
HARLOW: Well you know it's interesting, Chairman of the Homeland Security Michael McCall reacted to the President's speech and he came out and he said the President's policies signal a retreat from the threat of al Qaeda which has decentralized and spread throughout the world. So reaction on both sides here.
Peter Bergen, I appreciate you joining us very, very much this morning. Thank you.
BERGEN: Thank you.
HARLOW: Well a programming reminder, Peter's book "Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for Bin Laden" was the basis for the HBO documentary "Manhunt". You can see that here right here on CNN. It is at 9:00 o'clock Eastern tonight.
All right, get ready for a jaw dropper. We're going to let you hear what one top hedge fund manager says about working moms on Wall Street and it's going to make a lot of people really mad.
BLACKWELL: But first, Toby Keith, country singer, he calls Moore, Oklahoma "home" and in this week's "Impact Your World", Anderson Cooper joined him on the ground as he helps with the recovery efforts there after this week's devastating tornado.
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST, "AC360": What's it like for you to see this place like this?
TOBY KEITH, SINGER: It's nothing I've ever seen before. I've grown up here my whole life, 35, 40 years, we've seen this a lot. Yes and so it's pretty much gets you right here every time. My sister, my sister-in-law and my niece all got hit. You lose everything, that's pretty much a strike and then obviously losing -- loosing a loved one is just devastating.
COOPER: Can this place rebuild?
KEITH: Oh, yes, this will be vibrant, rocking. A lot of these people you see around here working are first responders getting in and taking care of the necessary stuff. People get out they bring water and shoes and transportation that they pitch together and this thing will pop right back up.
Hey this is Toby Keith. Found out how you can help the tornado disaster. Go to CNN.com/impact and you can help.
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HARLOW: All right, so sometimes no matter how much money you have, it just can't keep you from sticking your foot in your mouth. Right, Victor? Take a listen to this. This is billionaire hedge fund manager Paul Tudor Jones on why moms can't necessarily make it on Wall Street.
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PAUL TUDOR JONES, FOUNDER, TUDOR INVESTMENT CORPORATION: As soon as that baby's lips touch that girl's bosom, forget it. Every single investment idea, every desire to understand, every desire to understand what's going to make this go up or going to go down is going to be overwhelmed by the most beautiful experience which a man will never -- which a man will never share, without a mode of connection between that mother and that baby.
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HARLOW: Ok. There is that.
BLACKWELL: You could see the discomfort in the other men on the stage.
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HARLOW: Right.
BLACKWELL: Because they realized exactly what he's saying, they know the audience and they know that at some point they are going to be tied to that comment.
HARLOW: He has three daughters --
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BLACKWELL: Yes. HARLOW: -- which I find interesting in this and you know when you look at the numbers, I've done a lot of reporting on women fund managers, how women do on Wall Street. You know one of the women that I profiled told me that she had a really hard time starting out. She runs a billion-dollar fund now, because she couldn't raise money but once she brought a man on board she had no problem raising money. So women already face enough challenges but you know female traders have taken offense to this. I think a lot of women have.
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BLACKWELL: And men.
HARLOW: And men.
BLACKWELL: And men.
HARLOW: Good point, absolutely.
BLACKWELL: And men.
HARLOW: And you know on Friday our Brooke Baldwin spoke with one trader, who said that these comments -- that you know he has no idea what he's talking about. I want you to go to listen to her.
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LORI WACHS, FOUNDER, CROSS LEDGE INVESTMENTS: I'm sorry that he didn't take the time during his busy macro trading to actually look at some of the statistics which show that women in fact are better fund managers than men. We're a small piece of the overall investment pie, about three percent of hedge funds are run by women but if you look at the decade of 2002 to 2009 those women-run funds outperformed men by over three percentage points on an annualized basis.
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HARLOW: Yes and it's really interesting when you do look at the numbers. So the study that was done by Hedge Fund Research found between 2000 and 2009 hedge funds managed by women produced almost twice the returns of those run by men but only three percent of the U.S. hedge funds are run by women.
BLACKWELL: There should be more.
HARLOW: You're already in this -- right you're already in this male-driven sector.
BLACKWELL: Well, I will say that Paul Tudor Jones has apologized.
HARLOW: Yes.
BLACKWELL: He said his words have offended, he is sorry. But he did say that you'll never going to see as many great women investors as men -- period, end of story. He believed that. He just unfortunately said it on camera, unfortunately for him, and now is getting all this backlash.
HARLOW: Yes.
BLACKWELL: You'll remember President Clinton's admission that he did not have sexual relations with that woman. Well, the mayor of Toronto had his own very public admission.
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ROB FORD, MAYOR, TORONTO: I do not use crack cocaine nor am I an addict.
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HARLOW: Despite reports, Toronto's mayor says he did not smoke it.
BLACKWELL: And Jodi Arias, the jury was deadlocked but the death penalty is not off the table. A look at what's next for her.
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HARLOW: For the first time the mayor of Canada's largest city is speaking out at length about allegations that he smoked crack. He isn't holding anything back. Listen.
FORD: I do not use crack cocaine nor am I an addict of crack cocaine. As for a video, I cannot comment on a video that I've never seen or does not exist.
HARLOW: Toronto's mayor, Rob Ford, that was him right there blasting last week's media accounts that reporters had apparently seen a cell phone video of him, quote, "inhaling from what appeared to be a glass pipe." He's getting back up from his deputy mayor who calls the reports disgusting.
Now this, the U.S. is investigating malicious cyber incidents targeting America, the suspected hacks appear to look for weaknesses in our energy infrastructure. Congress just released a report on how vulnerable our electric grid is to an attack from North Korea or form Iran. A U.S. lawmaker suspects Iran this time and officials said that last year they suspected Iran in a different string of attacks. Iran, denying any involvement.
BLACKWELL: Will it be life or death for Jodi Arias? After five months of testimony, a deadlocked jury could not decide whether or not to put the convicted killer to death for stabbing and shooting her ex- boyfriend, Travis Alexander, a few years ago.
A source says the jury vote was an 8-4 split in favor of death. So come July, she'll get another trial sort of. It won't be a full trial because she is still guilty of murder. The aggravating phase still stands, the penalty phase restarts with entirely new jury.
CNN legal contributor Paul Callan is live in New York. Paul, in a lot of states, the death penalty would now be off the table because the jury couldn't come to an agreement. Not in Arizona. Why and what happens next?
PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR: Well, you know, Arizona has a very, very unusual setup; a couple of other states have similar ones but very, very rare. In Arizona if the first jury can't agree on the death penalty they are dismissed and impanel and start all over again to decide the penalty. So a new jury is going to be sworn. You could imagine how difficult that's going to be, given all the publicity regarding the case and then they are going to make a recommendation about the death penalty.
Now, if they do not reach an agreement, the second jury, then she gets life. You don't get a third shot at it under Arizona law but prosecutors do get two tries.
BLACKWELL: So this trial, this case has been all over television, all over the Internet for years, the last case that I remember much like this one was the Casey Anthony trial and when they had to impanel the jury, they had to go to another county because of all the attention. How does this judge find a jury that has not been tainted by all the media attention in Maricopa?
CALLAN: Extremely difficult, and you know it's not just Maricopa. Arizona is not a big state in terms of different media markets. The whole state like the whole country was mesmerized by this trial so I don't think you're really going to get anything by moving to another Arizona county.
So some people say "Why don't you move it to another part of the United States". You can't do that because these are state charges so the case has to be tried within Arizona.
Now, I'll give you another example, Victor, I was involved in the O.J. Simpson civil case. You can imagine that at the time was the biggest case in the country. It was called the trial of the century, everybody followed it carefully. We picked a jury in the civil case and it took a long time and you had to vet a lot of people.
In the end you don't get people who don't know anything about it. You get jurors who say yes, I saw it on television but I'll keep an open mind and base my verdict on the evidence. If you can get 12 people to say that, they can sit and hear the case and it happens all the time in high profile cases.
BLACKWELL: This case has gone on much longer than predicted and projected. Could this next phase go on for a month, two months? Because now you have jurors who haven't seen all of the evidence, haven't heard all of the testimony.
CALLAN: I think it could, because although they say well it's a limited trial, it's only on the penalty, well, in order for a jury to decide whether this warrants death, don't they need to know exactly how the murder took place and don't they need to know that Jodi Arias claimed that she was a domestic abuse survivor and that she did this killing because she had been abused?
All of those things it took five months to prepare and present all of those things to the first jury. Now this is not going to take five months but I think it's going to be a lengthy trial and it's going to look a lot like the first trial did with a lot of the details about the killing and a lot of details from Jodi Arias about why she did what she did.
BLACKWELL: She spent more than two weeks on the stand the last time. We'll see if she takes the stand again. Paul Callan, thanks so much.
CALLAN: Nice being with you Victor.
BLACKWELL: All ways. Just ahead next hour Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio says he's tough on illegal immigrants.
HARLOW: But now a federal judge says Arpaio has to change his ways. We're going to explain why, next.
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BLACKWELL: You know, we were talking about some pretty heavy topics this morning.
HARLOW: Yes.
BLACKWELL: So let's take a break now and laugh. Late night comedians had some fun with the President last night.
HARLOW: And Anthony Weiner's bid for mayor of New York City. Here's a look.
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JAY LENO, TALK SHOW HOST: According to the "Boston Globe" First Lady Michelle Obama and her daughters will stay on Martha's Vineyard for the summer. You can tell President Obama is getting a little defensive like when a reporter asked him about the trip he said he had no prior knowledge of the vacation and just learned about it through the media.
CONAN O'BRIEN, TALK SHOW HOST: I don't know if (inaudible) it's come out that in high school President Obama signed a girl's yearbook by calling her "sweet" and "foxy". Of course now he calls her Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano.
JIMMY FALLON, TALK SHOW HOST: This isn't good, Anthony Weiner, he's running for mayor of New York City and he had to change his campaign Web site yesterday because it accidentally showed a picture of the Pittsburgh skyline instead of Manhattan. Or as Weiner calls that "an embarrassing photo I can live with".
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BLACKWELL: You know what's sad about this is that the audience started laughing after Fallon said, "This isn't good, Anthony Weiner."
HARLOW: Right. BLACKWELL: Like that was enough of a joke that they would start laughing then.
HARLOW: You should see the front pages of the New York tabloids and the New York papers. It's been quite a week. But I can't say I'm surprised. I'm actually not surprised that he's running again.
BLACKWELL: Really?
HARLOW: I'm not surprised he's running. I thought that we might see this and look, look what we just saw in the last race.
BLACKWELL: In South Carolina, Mark Sanford. Yes, you can redeem yourself. He says there's a chance more pictures could come out. How do you keep a campaign going when those pictures are coming?
HARLOW: Right. We'll see. It's going to be fascinating. Keep us on our toes.
BLACKWELL: It will be. Thanks for starting your morning with us.
HARLOW: We have much more ahead on this CNN SATURDAY MORNING which continues right now.
