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State of the Union

Interview With Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY); Interview With Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-MI); Interview With Rep. Kevin Kiley (R-CA); Interview With Israeli Ambassador to the United States Michael Leiter; Interview With White House Border Czar Tom Homan. Aired 9-10a ET

Aired March 22, 2026 - 09:00   ET

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DANA BASH, CNN HOST (voice-over): Waiting game. Long lines, canceled flights, missed paychecks, as the pain from the DHS shutdown grows.

SEAN DUFFY, U.S. TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY: If a deal isn't cut, what's happening today look like child's play.

BASH: What will it take to finally break the stalemate? White House border czar Tom Homan and House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries are here.

Plus: whiplash. After suggesting the war was nearly done...

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think we have won. They're finished.

BASH: ... the president issues a new threat to Iran. But with Tehran showing no signs of backing down, is this war any closer to ending? I'll speak with Israel's Ambassador to the United States Michael Leiter.

And the cost of war. From skyrocketing prices to the threat of U.S. troops on the ground, how much are Americans willing to accept? Our political panel breaks it all down.

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BASH: Hello. I'm Dana Bash in Washington, where the state of our union is watching the price of gas and TSA wait times grow.

When he launched the war with Iran last month, President Trump predicted it would only last four or five weeks. This morning, the conflict enters week four, with thousands of U.S. sailors and Marines headed to the mid-east, new strikes on Israel, the price of oil skyrocketing, and the Iranian regime still entrenched in Tehran. And barely a day after suggesting the war was winding down and saying

the Strait of Hormuz would open itself, the president is now giving Iran 48 hours to end its stranglehold on the critical waterway or risk obliteration of its power infrastructure.

Meanwhile, here in the U.S., Americans who are already grappling with the pain at the pump can add turmoil at the airport to the list. Travelers face hours-long lines, flight cancellations, and thousands of frustrated TSA agents working without pay, as the Department of Homeland Security is still not funded.

Democrats are demanding policy changes to ICE enforcement, like removing masks and securing judicial warrants.

Here with me now is the White House border czar, Tom Homan, who was on Capitol Hill trying to break this impasse.

Mr. Homan, thank you so much for being here.

You did meet with a group of centrist Senate Democrats on Friday to try to strike a deal to reopen DHS. Republican senators say the administration has added to the latest offer. What exactly is the White House offering Democrats right now on potential new policy changes for ICE and CBP to end this impasse?

TOM HOMAN, WHITE HOUSE BORDER CZAR: I don't think it's really significant policy changes.

I'm invited there just to explain operations and how we conduct business within ICE and CBP. But I truly believe this isn't really a policy issue. We have the same policies in place we had during Obama and Biden and Clinton and Bush one and Bush two.

So, the policy really hasn't changed. It's the execution of those policies that we're talking about. And, look, we're having good conversations, but more conversations need to be had, because we certainly can't surrender ICE's authorities and their congressionally mandated job.

So we're having those discussions. It's really about policy execution more than policy.

BASH: Well, but, as you know, they want it to be codified, things like agents wearing masks, the ability or the requirement to say who they are and things of that nature.

So you're saying that the White House is not open to changing any of that?

HOMAN: No, no, we -- it's -- I'm saying the majority of it are about policy issues.

We're talking about -- as you see on the letter that was out the other night, we're talking about identification, badge number, name, either/or, because no Border Patrol has the name on their uniform. ICE does have a name on uniforms. We're talking about clear identification.

We're talking about access to detention and things like that. So, a lot of these things -- as I explained to the senators, a lot of these things are already in play. And identification has been ever since Minneapolis.

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And I'm trying to explain the situation on the ground isn't the same as it was in Minneapolis. We're doing targeted enforcement operations, and we -- we -- the detention standards are the same. They were in the last administration, but there was a problem with access to detention standards.

That problem doesn't exist anymore. So, a lot of the changes after Minneapolis has already been implemented, and that's what I'm there to explain to them.

BASH: Yes.

I want to ask about one other thing. During his confirmation hearing, Senator Markwayne Mullin indicated that, as secretary of DHS, he would require ICE to use judicial warrants over administrative warrants, which is another thing that Democrats want. This is, of course, to enter homes or businesses.

I know you have pushed back on that idea in recent months. Would you support a Secretary Mullin on that?

HOMAN: Well, I'm not going to get ahead of the secretary. I mean, I know what he said during the hearing. And I don't think ICE is going into homes without some sort of judicial warrant.

There are certain aspects of the law that I'm trying to explain to members, to senators what allows this access and not access. You don't need to enter a house -- you don't need a judicial warrant to enter a house if it's in hot pursuit or if it's destruction evidence or a significant safety threat.

So, there's a lot of caveats to that, and that's what we're talking about in these meetings, what exactly the law says and what are our options within that law. So I won't get ahead of the secretary. Hopefully, he will get his vote this week.

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BASH: OK.

You would be open to changing -- to making it more clear that in run- of-the-mill situations, not in hot pursuit, that a judicial warrant is needed?

HOMAN: Again, I'm not going to get ahead of these discussions. But that's part of the negotiation, and I will just leave it at that.

Look, it's give-and-take, and we will continue to have those conversations, but we will see where it goes. We're having the conversation. I'm explaining how we do things, and we will see where it lands.

BASH: President Trump posted on TRUTH Social -- quote -- "If the radical left Democrats don't immediately sign an agreement to let our country, in particular, our airports, be free and safe again, I will move our brilliant and patriotic ICE agents to the airports, where they will do security like no one has ever seen before."

Now, in a subsequent post, he said that he instructed ICE agents to be ready by Monday. And now the president is saying that you, sir, are going to be in charge. How is that going to work? Are ICE agents going to move into American airports starting tomorrow, Monday?

HOMAN: Yes.

And I'm currently working on the plan now of execution, working with the director of ICE and administrator at TSA, the acting administrator. So we will put together a plan today and we will execute tomorrow.

BASH: OK, so there are a lot of questions here. First of all, are ICE agents even remotely trained to handle security at airports?

HOMAN: ICE agents receive a high level of training.

And ICE agents are assigned at many airports across the country already. They do a lot of investigation, criminal investigation on smuggling at airports. But there's -- you got TSA agents covering exits, people that enter through the exits.

Certainly, a highly trained ICE law enforcement officer can cover an exit and makes sure people don't go through those exits, entering the airport through the exits. And stuff like that relieves that TSA officer to go to screening and to reduce those lines.

BASH: OK.

HOMAN: So, wherever we can provide extra security -- I don't see an ICE agent looking at an X-ray machine, because we're not trained in that.

But there are certain parts of security that TSA is doing that we can move them off those jobs, and put them in the specialized jobs to help move those lines.

BASH: OK, that was going to be my next question. So what you're saying is, when you move ICE into airports, they are going to be just around the exits and the exteriors? They're not going to be helping people get through the lines and screening people's bags?

HOMAN: Those discussions are going on now. I'm not expert at TSA, so that's why I'm talking to the TSA administrator and the ICE director to find out where we can fit in.

We will have a plan by the end of today, where we're sending -- what airports we're starting with and where we're sending them. But that's the discussion we're having right now. I ended the discussion to do this show and I will be back having those discussions when I finish.

So it's a work in progress, but we will be at airports tomorrow helping TSA move those lines along.

BASH: And I know you said it's a work in progress, but, at least at the beginning, are there airports that you're -- specific airports that you're thinking about starting with? And how many ICE agents are you considering deploying to do this?

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HOMAN: Again, that's going based on the discussions we're having today.

I think we need to -- my opinion is that we concentrate on airports where the longest waits are. We prioritize those, the large airports where there's a long wait, like three hours. I think we got to prioritize what we do, like we do everything else.

So, again, having those discussions, continued discussions after the show with the leadership of those agencies will lead us to some decisions based on prioritization, where we deploy, how quick we deploy, how many agents we deploy.

BASH: Right.

HOMAN: So, hopefully, we will have all those answers to everybody this afternoon, but we're working on it. And when we deploy tomorrow, we will have a well-thought-out plan to execute.

BASH: With respect, if you're doing this in 24 hours, how well thought out could it possibly be?

HOMAN: Again, ICE has been at airports across the country for a long time. It's just expanding those things.

Look, it doesn't -- how much of a plan does it mean to guard an exit to make sure no one comes through that exit?

BASH: And...

HOMAN: I mean, we're talking about security options.

And these officers are well-trained in security and they're well- trained in identifications. And, look, we're going to do what we can to help TSA move those people through the line.

BASH: And last question on this, because this is important. And I realize that this is clearly a plane that you're creating while it's in the air here, but this is a question that a lot of people are asking.

Is it just going to be crowd control, or will ICE officers also be doing immigration enforcement while they are at the airports? HOMAN: We do immigration enforcement at airports all the time. So, is

that going to change? It's not going to change.

This is about helping the men and women at TSA. They have lost several hundred employees. The lines are really slow because of the shutdown. This is about going to -- helping TSA do their mission and get the American public through that airport as quick as they can, while adhering to all the security guidelines and the protocols.

We're simply there to help TSA do their job in areas that don't need their specialized expertise, such as screening through the X-ray machine. Not trained in that. We won't do that.

But there are roles we can play to release TSA officers from the non- significant roles, such as guarding an exit, so they can get back to the scanning machines and move people quicker. And we're just simply helping our fellow officers at TSA.

BASH: Tom Homan, thanks for being here this morning. I appreciate it.

HOMAN: Thank you.

BASH: You just heard the news, Tom Homan saying that ICE agents will in fact be heading to U.S. airports tomorrow. He's in charge of coming up with a plan.

Up next, House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries will be here live to respond.

And, later, as economic costs from the war in Iran pile up, how much more can Americans take?

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BASH: We just heard from the White House about President Trump's plan to deploy ICE agents to airports tomorrow.

I want to bring in House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries.

Thank you for being here this morning, sir.

What's your response to what Tom Homan revealed here?

REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES (D-NY): Well, good morning. Great to be with you.

There are three things that have been true since Donald Trump and Republicans came back into power last January. Life is more expensive, life is more chaotic, and life is more extreme. The last thing that the American people need are for untrained ICE agents to be deployed at airports all across the country, potentially to brutalize or in some instances kill them.

We have already seen how ICE conducts itself. These are untrained individuals when it comes to doing the current job that they have, for the most part, let alone deploying them in close exposure in highly sensitive situations at airports across the country.

BASH: But it seems like it's happening. Tom Homan is in charge of it and he's working on a plan right now. Is there any chance that there could be some kind of deal done soon?

I mean, obviously, what the president is trying to do is squeeze lawmakers to try to finally come up with a plan to fund DHS.

JEFFRIES: Yes, it's unfortunate that Republicans have decided that they would rather force TSA agents to work without pay, inconvenience millions of Americans all across the country and now potentially expose them to untrained ICE agents and create chaos at airports throughout the land, rather than get ICE agents under control.

Our basic premise and value proposition from the very beginning has been simple. ICE should conduct itself like every other law enforcement agency in the country. But if Republicans are unwilling to get to an agreement in that regard, the one thing we can do immediately are to make sure that TSA agents are paid.

And we know, Dana, there's bipartisan support for that. Senator Ted Cruz and Senator John Kennedy have recently indicated that they would support moving in that direction. Let's bring those bills to the floor in the House and the Senate tomorrow so we can get TSA agents paid.

BASH: So let me ask you about that, because you are -- the whole reason, as you just laid out, that DHS is not funded right now is because you're trying to push the administration to enact some policy changes on how Border Patrol and ICE act when they're out looking for illegal immigrants.

And now what you're saying is that you're OK with funding TSA, which has been, I think, the biggest point of leverage that you possibly had in order to get what you want on ICE, because ICE already has its money. So what was the point of this shutdown if you're OK with funding TSA?

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JEFFRIES: Well, we never approach these things that are in front of us with respect to government funding in the context of leverage.

Our approach is, what is the appropriate use of taxpayer dollars? And we believe that taxpayer dollars should be used to make life more affordable for the American people, not brutalize or kill them or violently target law-abiding immigrant families, which is what we know ICE agents have been doing.

And so, at this point in time, more than 30 days into the Trump- Republican Department of Homeland Security shutdown, I think the most appropriate course of action is to fund TSA, fund FEMA, fund the Coast Guard, fund our cybersecurity professionals, so that Republicans stop holding the American people hostage and these hardworking civil servants because of the Republican unwillingness, at least to date, to get ICE under control.

Listen, we believe that immigration enforcement in this country should be fair, just, and humane. And Donald Trump promised that he was going to go after the worst of the worst, violent felons who are here illegally. That's not what has been happening.

They're targeting American citizens and law-abiding immigrant families. And, of course, that needs to end. That is not an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars.

BASH: Yes, I'm just trying to understand how, if you fund TSA and the other agencies that you just talked about, how you think that you will be able to put pressure then on the administration to make the changes to ICE that you're asking for?

JEFFRIES: The American people are going to continue to put pressure on the administration because they know ICE is out of control. They need to be reined in.

And our view is that they should not get another dime of taxpayer dollars until we have bold and dramatic and meaningful changes to ICE's behavior, so that they are compelled to behave like every other law enforcement agency in the country. That includes making sure that there are judicial warrants that are required before ICE agents can rip the American people out of their homes in the middle of the night.

We need to protect sensitive locations like houses of worship and hospitals and schools and polling sites. We need independent investigations so that, if ICE agents break the law, they can be investigated and criminally prosecuted by state and local authorities.

We need to make sure that they are trained properly, that there are excessive use of force policies that are put into place, that we have independent access to detention centers. These are all commonsense, reasonable things that the American people are appropriately demanding, and we're not going to back away from them.

BASH: Meanwhile, with regard to the war in Iran, the Pentagon is talking about asking the White House to approve a request to ask Congress for over $200 billion to fund the Iran war.

Now, this is two sources familiar with the matter that tells CNN this. Is there any world in which you would support any more money for the Pentagon for this war?

JEFFRIES: Listen, the Department of Defense, Donald Trump and Republicans haven't even made the case for why we are in this reckless war of choice right now to the American people.

They have got no vision, no plan, no exit strategy. They clearly didn't anticipate some of the things that have happened, including the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

What you're seeing right now are, gas prices are through the roof, and that's adding to an environment in America right now where life has already become too expensive for the American people because of failed policies by Donald Trump, including, but not limited to, the Trump tariffs, which have increased costs on everyday Americans by thousands of dollars per year.

We should not be spending billions of dollars per day at this point in time to drop bombs in the Middle East, when Republicans are unwilling to spend a dime to actually extend the Affordable Care Act tax credits and make sure that Americans can go see a doctor when they need one.

BASH: Is there something that...

JEFFRIES: And so this is a -- it's a priority issue here.

BASH: Is that something that, if it comes up before the House, you will whip, meaning will you urge your fellow Democrats to vote no on any funding or will you allow them to vote their conscience?

JEFFRIES: Well, we will have that leadership conversation when we actually have a piece of legislation that is in front of us.

But I can tell you there is strong opposition right now to the notion that this war of choice that is reckless, that's costing the American people now more than $30 billion should continue. We need to move, which we plan on doing in short order, a war powers resolution so we can bring this situation to a close.

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BASH: I want to ask you before I let you go about something the president just put on TRUTH Social this morning.

He said: "Now, with the death of Iran, the greatest enemy America has is the radical left, highly incompetent Democratic Party."

Your response?

JEFFRIES: Donald Trump should keep his reckless mouth shut before he gets somebody killed.

BASH: Hakeem Jeffries, thank you so much for being here. Appreciate it.

JEFFRIES: Thank you.

BASH: Coming up: President Trump says the war with Iran is winding down. It certainly doesn't look that way. Israel's ambassador to the U.S. is here next.

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BASH: President Trump's declaration that Iran's military has been obliterated appears to be premature.

Overnight, Iranian missiles struck the Israeli cities of Dimona, home to Israel's nuclear program, and Arad, where Israeli officials declared a mass casualty event. And on Friday, Iran launched two ballistic missiles at a U.S. base in the Indian Ocean, raising new questions about the range of its missile program that still seems to be very much intact.

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Here with me now is Israel's ambassador to the United States, Michael Leiter.

Thank you so much for being here.

MICHAEL LEITER, ISRAELI AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES: Good to be with you, Dana. Thank you.

BASH: Let's start with what's happening in Southern Israel. Israel's Emergency Response Service declared a mass casualty event, as I mentioned. Can you give an update on the ground there and also what kind of response do we expect from Israel?

LEITER: Well, we have a number of fatalities, mass casualties, over 150 people injured, both in Arad and in Dimona and today in the north.

The response is going to be to continue with this campaign until we bring this regime to its knees. We cannot live anymore with a country that is malign, that has intent on destroying us, that declares it's going to destroy us all the time and is now firing ballistic missiles into all of its neighbors. This has to stop.

BASH: Well, when you say ballistic missiles, that's -- the next question is that, when I mentioned that there were two missiles, it went to Diego Garcia, which is a joint U.S.-U.K. military base in the Indian Ocean. That's 2,000 miles off of Iran's coast.

Doesn't that fly in the face of the claim by the president and the prime minister that the missiles that the Iranians have, have been obliterated?

LEITER: Actually, I think this goes to the point that both the prime minister and the president have been emphasizing now for a long time, that the Iranians lie. The Iranian regime lie. These are murderers who lie.

It shouldn't surprise us. And they said they don't have intercontinental ballistic missiles. Well, now they prove that they do have them. Not only do they have them. They're willing to shoot them. They claimed until now there was no such thing as an ICBM in Iran, they didn't develop them.

Now, imagine for one moment that those ICBMs that they fire don't go 2,000 miles, but go 4,000 miles or 5,000 miles and hit Chicago. That's what they're planning to do. Now imagine that those ICBMs are tipped with nuclear warheads, which they were planning to do as well.

So we have to face a very difficult situation now. This is war. This is not comfortable. This is a very difficult war. And we have rising prices at the gasoline pump, but they're going to come down. But this malign government is intent on taking lives. Lives don't come back, OK?? It's a temporary issue we have to face economically in order to protect lives and save lives from a malign regime interested in taking lives. They just took 40,000 of their own people last month.

BASH: Last night, President Trump issued a warning to Iran: "Open the Strait of Hormuz without threat within 48 hours, or the U.S. will hit and obliterate Iran's power plants."

Is Israel on board with this?

LEITER: Here's the issue.

If we're going to take down this regime, we want to leave everything in the country intact, so that the people who come after this regime are going to be able to rebuild and reconstitute.

BASH: So that's a no?

LEITER: If we leave this regime in place, we want to take down all of the infrastructure. So we're moving forward on two parallel tracks.

And what we have to do is ultimately create a situation where there's not a regime in Tehran that's exporting terrorism and death and destruction.

BASH: As we have seen from the past four weeks, that is a very difficult thing to do.

LEITER: Nobody said it was not going to -- it's going to be easy. This isn't instant soup. This is a country that's been preparing itself for this kind of war for five decades.

It's twice the size of Texas. It's 92 million people. They have created an edifice of terror of over a million people bearing arms that place their boot on the necks of the Iranian people and build these ballistic missiles and nuclear enrichment in order to terrorize the world.

At some point, you have to make an investment so it doesn't get worse. If we don't deal with it now, they're going to hold the world hostage in the future. And the barrel of oil is not going to be $100. It's going to be $250. And what's going to stop them then?

BASH: I want to drill down on the -- sort of the endgame here.

There was a bit of a kerfuffle, I would say, at this past week between the U.S. and Israel over Israel bombing natural gas fields. Prime Minister Netanyahu came out and said very clearly that President Trump is the -- quote -- "leader" and he is the -- quote -- "ally."

So what will Israel do when the leader, the U.S., President Trump, says this war is over? Will Israel also stop the war?

LEITER: Dana, we have planned this operation together. We're implementing it together. There's never been a precedent of such collaboration between two militaries. And putting an emphasis on what you call a kerfuffle I think is putting emphasis in the wrong place. Every day, every hour of the day...

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BASH: My emphasis is on how it's going to end. I know that you have moved past that.

LEITER: You know what, when it ends, it's going to end as President Trump and the prime minister have said, where there's not an entity in Tehran that's going to threaten the region.

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Now, if that's going to be brought about by this regime having a change of heart, hard to imagine, but going on the assumption that that happens, then it'll take place that way. Probably it's going to take place because the Iranian people have had enough. They tried to raise up last month. They were brutally put down.

I think that we need boots on the ground, but they have got to be Iranian boots, and I think they're coming.

BASH: How so?

LEITER: Because the people -- there's a point of combustion. Look, nobody knew when the Soviet Union would collapse. Nobody knew when the Romanians would turn their guns against their Ceausescu government. But it happened at some point.

And if we degrade them enough, the people of Iran are going to say we have had enough and we want a different regime.

BASH: I know that is a goal, but I just want to push on how realistic that goal is. I mean, even the prime minister said that Israel's goal is to create the conditions for opposition in Iran to be able to take over.

"The Washington Post" reported that Israeli officials privately told U.S. diplomats that Iranians who protest will get slaughtered. So, my question is, when you are pushing for the regime to crumble, how is that actually possible when the opposition that does exist there have -- they have no way to communicate, they have no guns and they have no money?

LEITER: It is difficult, but it's happened in the past.

What we have to focus on now is degrading to the point where they have no power left in this regime. Hopefully, that will trigger this combustion point where the people are able to take charge of their own lives. Our focus has to be on degrading this regime to the point where they no longer pose a threat to us, to the region and to the world.

BASH: Can you do that from the air or do the U.S. and Israel have to send ground troops? LEITER: I think that we're going to be able to degrade this regime to

the point where it collapses from the air. The boots on the ground, again, have to be Iranian boots.

We have to open up the Straits of Hormuz. But, again, all of these efforts are focused on a particular timeline. This is not something that goes on forever. We have to have a little bit of pain to get a lot of gain. We cannot allow this regime to move forward with nuclear weapons, intercontinental ballistic missiles, and terrorists spreading throughout the region.

I mean, just imagine for one moment. Look what they're doing now with the ballistic missiles to all of their neighbors, if they have more of them and they have nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles, where it's going to go in a year from now, two years from now, three years from now. This has to stop.

BASH: All right, Ambassador Michael Leiter, thank you so much for being here.

LEITER: Good to be with you, Dana. Thank you.

BASH: Appreciate it.

Coming: ICE is heading to airports tomorrow. We learned that right here from Tom Homan. Two members of Congress will be here on our panel to weigh in.

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BASH: Are ICE agents going to move into American airports starting tomorrow, Monday?

TOM HOMAN, WHITE HOUSE BORDER CZAR: Yes.

And I'm currently working on the plan now of execution, working with the director of ICE and administrator at TSA, the acting administrator. So we will put together a plan today and we will execute tomorrow.

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BASH: I'm going to bring in my panel now to respond to that.

Welcome, one and all.

Congressman Kiley, I should say the last time you were on the show you were a Republican. Since then, you've switched your party affiliation to independent, as you kind of work through the redistricting in your home state of California.

What do you think about the idea of sending ICE to airports? REP. KEVIN KILEY (I-CA): Well, the lines that people are having to

deal with are a problem, a big problem. So anything we can do to make travel a little more seamless right now I think is fine, but that is a very temporary and not ideal solution.

What we need to do is fund the Department of Homeland Security. That'll get our TSA agents paid, that'll get our Coast Guard paid, that'll get FEMA funded, and we can do this in a way that reaches a bipartisan compromise around this issue related to ICE.

I think there are commonsense reforms that both sides can support. But having an unfunded Department of Homeland Security at a moment when we have this heightened threat environment in the United States, it is absolutely unacceptable and it is such a clear example of how Congress is broken in so many ways.

BASH: Congresswoman Dingell?

REP. DEBBIE DINGELL (D-MI): Well, I agree with you that Congress is broken, but here is the fact, I have a lot of questions about what he said.

Are they going to be wearing masks? What are the functions that they're going to be performing? Are they going to make it more complicated? Are people going to be more scared? Are they going to threaten people? Are people going to start to see people not even willing to travel because they're intimidated by them?

Here's the reality. We could settle this tomorrow and fund TSA, FEMA, which, by the way, got gutted a year ago, not in this funding of Homeland Security, by DOGE, and fund the Coast Guard and deal with the ICE issue, which has to be dealt with front and center.

DAVID URBAN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Hey, look, I associate myself with the gentlemen from California's comments, right? I think he's spot on.

Look, Congresswoman, Tom Homan was up on the Hill negotiating, trying to get this bill passed in the Senate. You've seen the White House give on lots of things, cameras, identification on ICE. The White House has given and given and given.

The fact of the matter is, Chuck Schumer is just a chicken shit, I'll say it, because he's concerned that he's not going to be the majority leader, doesn't want to pass anything that doesn't just blow up ICE. And so that's why we're stuck here.

It's not anything to do. Everybody knows what has to be done. Chuck Schumer won't allow it to be done in the Senate, and that's where we are. American people, call the Senate, complain to Chuck Schumer, tell him to pass of bill now.

ASHLEY ALLISON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: That's not...

(CROSSTALK) URBAN: A hundred percent true, hundred percent accurate.

ALLISON: Well, I would like to align myself with the congresswoman. Surprise, surprise.

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Look, in what world do you think it's really a good idea for ICE to be at airports? In what world do you think the American public actually want that, when they have seen how ICE has behaved in cities, Republican and Democrat?

Donald Trump and this administration is underwater with their immigration policies. Yes, they like how the border is being handled. They do not like how ICE is in their cities, and they sure won't like how ICE will be in their airports, especially when they're still going to have to wait in line with them there and them being fearful.

This is not good politically. This is not good policy and this is not good politically. This is my free advice. But the reality is, the reason -- like the congresswoman was saying, I think Americans are just like, can we just -- let's take this piecemeal.

TSA, pass it. If you obstruct TSA, I will have a problem with you. I don't think anybody on our side would actually obstruct it. Let's fund FEMA. We all...

URBAN: Chuck Schumer.

ALLISON: I don't -- I would...

DINGELL: Chuck Schumer would not...

ALLISON: ... would not fund -- not oppose that.

DINGELL: ... has supported bills. We've got a discharge petition to fund the other three.

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DINGELL: I want to give you one simple issue.

BASH: Give him a chance.

DINGELL: The Constitution. Do you believe in the Constitution?

URBAN: Of course I do.

DINGELL: And warrants? Do you not think...

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URBAN: Oh, no, no, no. Hold on. No, the warrant issue is completely -- that is a red herring, because...

DINGELL: No, it's not.

URBAN: Yes, it is, ma'am.

The Constitution has -- I mean, excuse me -- these immigration officials, when they're going in these specific things, there are administrative procedures that allow them to go in. They're not going in without authorization.

There's administrative -- there's law that allows them to do this without a warrant in those instances.

DINGELL: And they're shooting Americans.

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URBAN: Listen, ICE agents here -- Tom Homan -- Barack Obama gave Tom Homan an award. Tom Homan is going to run this professionally. He's trying to help Americans get to where they're doing, eliminate the lines, alleviate American suffering.

ICE isn't going to be there. The ICE in Milwaukee...

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ALLISON: But he said he wasn't changing any policy.

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KILEY: So, on the warrant issue, I will say that I actually voted for a judicial warrant requirement in order to enter homes.

I've also voted to say we should have agreements so that ICE is not operating near childcare centers or near schools. I think -- and I've also supported, by the way, though, making sure that local jurisdictions honor detainer requests when they come for ICE for people who have committed crimes in addition to be in the country illegally.

So I think that is the sort of compromise we need around this issue. I think that the things I just listed are supported by the vast majority of Americans. And so we need Congress to come together to reflect what the American people are asking.

URBAN: And if anybody thinks that ICE is going to be with masks and like -- they're helping -- they're going to be looking -- they look like TSA agents.

ALLISON: How do we know? We don't know, though.

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URBAN: Well, show up at TSA tomorrow, DCA tomorrow. I'll be there tomorrow.

(CROSSTALK) ALLISON: But, listen, this is the thing. It's like this is also what blew my mind this Sunday morning is, he's like, we haven't figured out the plan. We'll figure it out by tonight.

Do you know how many airports are in America? Do you know how much...

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DINGELL: Or which ones we're even going to?

BASH: They don't know yet.

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URBAN: I'm sure Tom Homan knows.

ALLISON: Or how much training these ICE agents should have before they actually go out? What are we doing? Is that making it -- come on, you all.

BASH: You don't have any misgivings about it?

KILEY: I certainly have misgivings.

I do not think this is the way that airport security should operate. I think they're trying to make the best of a very bad situation, when we have folks who are being delayed, who are missing flights, and all of the downstream ramifications.

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URBAN: I think there's a crisis in a few airports.

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BASH: They're trying to squeeze you guys. They're trying to squeeze the Democrats to...

DINGELL: They're trying to say -- we have a bill right now, a discharge petition, because they won't bring it up, that would fund everything but ICE and border control. We should be passing now -- TSA should not be a political ping ball -- ping-pong ball every time this comes up.

They should be under DOT. Take them out of Homeland Security. Fund it permanently. I have introduced the bill...

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URBAN: On ICE specifically, you want to see -- what are the things? The White House has made offers on ICE, on the ICE reform. What are the things? The two things they haven't done to the warrants and the masking. I think they will go on the unmasking.

So the warrants is the only thing that's keeping you from voting for it.

DINGELL: Are you going to not detain Americans?

URBAN: No, I'm just asking. That's what they -- the White House has put forth the proposal.

ALLISON: Why can't we just separate it?

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URBAN: Separate what?

ALLISON: The TSA, FEMA, separate it.

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BASH: Right. We're not going to come up with this here.

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KILEY: I agree. I'm supporting a bill to...

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KILEY: ... TSA as well.

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BASH: But we're almost out of time.

I do want to ask about war funding. If a bill comes before you to give additional money for this war, they're talking about upwards of $200 billion, would you vote for that?

KILEY: Well, it depends what it looks like. I mean, people are getting some sticker shock from this $200 billion, which is also kind of an oddly round number.

So Congress really needs to dig in and see what is the money being used for. Obviously, we need to support the military. We need to have maximum levels of readiness. But we also need to have Congress involved in defining the objectives here going forward. And so that needs to be part of whatever the appropriation is.

OK, what are the objectives here? Eliminating or limiting Iran's nuclear capacity, its offensive weapons capabilities? If we were able to provide funding for those narrowly tailored objectives with congressional approval, I think it would actually put us in a much stronger position.

URBAN: The Congress for 20 years punted on the authorization for use of military force in Afghanistan and Iraq, 20 years. We operated under authorization for use of military force from 2001. Do you think the Congress could get it done? I don't think so.

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BASH: No. And...

DINGELL: We cannot have another endless war.

URBAN: It won't be endless.

DINGELL: And we cannot put troops on the ground.

It's already endless.

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BASH: She's good. She's good.

All right, thank you all. Thank you for being here this morning.

When we come back: An American public servant passes away, and President Trump celebrates.

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BASH: Former special counsel Robert Mueller died Friday night at the age of 81. In a statement, his family asked that -- quote -- "their privacy be respected."

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Within minutes of that news breaking, President Trump declared on TRUTH Social -- quote -- "Good. I'm glad he's dead."

No condolences for Mueller's family, no mention of his decades of public service to the United States, including the second longest serving FBI director in history and as a decorated combat veteran in the Vietnam War, just: "I'm glad he's dead."

It should be shocking for anyone to say, let alone a president, but it's not. It's in line with a view that President Trump himself outlined last year at Charlie Kirk's funeral.

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TRUMP: I hate my opponent. And I don't want the best of them. I'm sorry.

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BASH: Whether it's attacking Mueller over his handling of the Russia probe in Trump's first term, or continuing to mock the late Senator John McCain years after his death from brain cancer, or callously suggesting Hollywood director Rob Reiner died because of Trump derangement syndrome hours after he and his wife were brutally murdered in their home, Trump's refusal to show any grace to perceived foes even after death is a feature, not a bug, not a surprise.

But that doesn't make it OK. Thank you so much for joining us this Sunday morning.

Fareed Zakaria picks it up next.