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Latest on Teen's Disappearance on Island of Aruba; Koran Mishandled by Guards, Prisoners at Guantanamo; What If Watergate Never Happened?

Aired June 04, 2005 - 22:00   ET

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: This is CNN SATURDAY NIGHT.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As I've said from the beginning, I'm not leaving Aruba without her.

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LIN: A mother's desperate plea for her daughter's life. Tonight, the latest on the mysterious disappearance of an Alabama teen. Also, confirmed reports of mistreatment of the holy Koran, not just by guards, but also by the prisoners themselves at Guantanamo Bay. And what if Watergate never happened? We're going to explore the fallout or lack thereof if Deep Throat hadn't helped bring down the Nixon administration. These stories and a lot more next on CNN SATURDAY NIGHT.

Good evening, I'm Carol Lin from the CNN Center in Atlanta. Straight ahead this hour, a major outbreak of spring storms is affecting several parts of the country, sparking tornadoes and flash floods.

And also, two disturbing cases this week of kids killing kids. So we are going to examine the tough task of prosecuting very young children.

And after two compelling closing arguments, jurors finally have the child molestation case against Michael Jackson. So I'm going to talk with a courtroom insider on which way the jury could swing.

But up first tonight, to a tiny Caribbean island about the size of Washington, D.C. The Dutch administered holiday haven of Aruba is best known for blue water, welcoming beaches, and fun in the sun. But tonight, it is the scene of a massive search for a missing American teenager.

Natalee Holloway was celebrating her high school graduation with dozens of classmates. She was last seen in the wee hours of Monday morning leaving a night club with three men. Since then, nothing.

CNN's Karl Penhaul joins me live now from Aruba, where police have some theories, Karl, but for the most part they seem pretty stumped. KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Indeed, Carol. And you must say that it's been an emotionally draining day for family and friends of Natalee Holloway. There have been tips. There have been leads. The police have been pursuing investigations, scouring the island, but there's still no sign of Natalee Holloway.

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PENHAUL (voice-over): One word that conjures up 1,000 fears and emotions. Police joined by well wishers scour Aruba's beaches for signs of Natalee Holloway.

And her mother, Beth, makes an emotional pledge about her missing daughter.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MISSING TEEN'S MOTHER: My primary goal is to bring Natalee back home. We will do whatever it takes. As I've said from the beginning, I'm not leaving Aruba without her.

PENHAUL: For much of the afternoon Saturday, investigators backed by FBI agents searched this hotel. It's being remodeled, plenty of hiding space workmen say. Nothing was found. It was just one of what police say are dozens of tips from the public.

Aruba's deputy police chief, Gerold Dompig, spelled out the avenues of inquiry.

DEP. COMM. GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBA POLICE: Three theories. One is, as you all know, these persons of interest might have done something wrong to Natalee. That's one area.

The other area is that this person is just missing in terms of somewhere else for whatever reason. And the last theory is, of course, kidnapping.

PENHAUL: The persons of interest he is referring to are three local men. They left this Mexican bar early Monday with Natalee. They told police they took her to a nearby beach before dropping her off at her hotel.

(on camera): Aruba is a tropical paradise of sorts. Plenty of sun, sea, and white sandy beaches. But it also has its darker side. The island is a transshipment point for cocaine and heroine coming from Colombia en route to the United States and Europe. The island's also stopping off point for many South American prostitutes, hoping to get to Europe.

(voice-over): But there's little history of violent crime against tourists. One-third of Aruba's income comes from tourism -- around a million visitors a year. Half of those from the U.S.

18-year old Natalee Holloway was one of many. Yet to those who knew her, she stood apart.

B. TWITTY: Natalee is truly an angel. She's a member of the National Honor Society. She's a straight A student. PENHAUL: She's praying hard her angel reappears safe and well in paradise.

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PENHAUL: The rescue services and police investigators have also told me, Carol, in the course of the day how much they're feeling the stress, the strain, and the frustration of this investigation. But they say tomorrow, they're going to be up early again. They're going to be out again on the north side of the island, this time in four wheel drive (INAUDIBLE) and four wheel drive vehicles, and also in dingys along the coastline. And they're going to be looking once again for signs and clues as to the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway -- Carol?

LIN: All right, let's hope they find something. Hopefully find her very soon, Karl. Thank you very much.

Anxiety clearly growing in Natalee Holloway's hometown of Birmingham, Alabama. Friends and classmates and family members unable to help searchers in person are doing what they can to support one another and keep up their hopes and their spirits.

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ABBY ANDREWS, MISSING GIRL'S FRIEND: All you can do is pray. The greatest thing is prayer. And you know, everyone's just -- keeping the faith and trying to be real strong through it. We know that whatever happens, the good's going to come of it. So we're just trying to be strong and thanks for your time and your consideration and keep praying.

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LIN: Well, despite the hope that Natalee Holloway may have vanished of her own volition, police officials in Aruba have declared the search for her a criminal investigation.

Now the search party is growing in Aruba. And it includes local police, the Dutch military, FBI agents, Aruban volunteers, and vacationing tourists.

Don Clark is a former FBI special agent and a veteran of searchers like this. So he joins me now from Houston.

Don, given that, you know, we did massive coverage on the runaway bride story, it turns out this woman had left, you know, for her own reasons, and only to suddenly reappear.

Is there anything about this case that gives you hope that maybe that may be the same story for Natalee Holloway?

DON CLARK, FORMER FBI AGENT: Well, you know, Carol, you're right. We talked about the other story. And certainly, all of us would like for that to be the case. But from what I know of the circumstances at this point, Carol, it certainly does not appear that that's the case.

And if you looked at the -- if you listened to the police chief, you know, he talked about the theories and so forth. Clearly those theories have to be based on some type of evidence. And from what I'm able to find out in bits and pieces so far, that the evidence seems to lean towards two or three people that may have been involved in this girl's disappearance.

LIN: So why don't they -- the three men that she was seen leaving the club with, why don't they go ahead and arrest these guys and start interrogating them, start collecting evidence from their homes, whatever it might take?

CLARK: Well, you know, there's things called probable cause in this business. And it's a very tedious job for law enforcement to be able to do the right things and be patient enough, so that when they do make an arrest, it's a good arrest and it's one that's going to stick throughout the process.

Far be it from them to take some steps right now that would not be consistent with evidence gathering and things that they're going to need later on.

So I think they've got to take baby steps at this and at the same time, continue to look for this girl.

LIN: Yes, well you know that the family doesn't want them to take baby steps. They want the FBI to go in there and make the Aruban police conduct their investigation in the most aggressive manner.

So is there potentially friction between the FBI agents on the ground and the Aruban police?

CLARK: You know, that possibility could exist, Carol. But I think in today's world that we see an FBI that's expanded itself around the world and developed these liaison relationship with foreign police officers. And therefore, they have to understand that if the FBI is out of -- off of other soil, that they cannot conduct an investigations independently. And they've got to work with those police over there.

So how difficult that is kind of depends on what you do when peace is at hand and everybody trying to get to know each other, and learn their strategies and so forth, and work together.

So the FBI just can't storm in there and say, as we often see in the movies, "move out of the way, we're taking over."

LIN: Right.

CLARK: The Aruba police are the ones that's going to do this job. But they are asking for FBI help.

LIN: All right. So what do you think's going to happen next now? What's going to crack this case? CLARK: You know, I think good investigation is going to crack this. And good interrogation. And you mentioned just a few moments ago, Carol, is that arrest this people.

Well, maybe not arrest, but at least if they've got suspects, they've got to try and talk to these people and interview these people, and be able to develop information about it.

It's a small place over there, but when you're looking for one little girl, it's a real big place. So they've got to develop the evidence.

And then at the same time, they can develop other tactics to try to see if they can further develop some evidence to find out where she is, and anybody else who may be able to assist in the investigation.

LIN: They just need one really good tip, all right.

CLARK: You bet. That's what they need, one real good tip.

LIN: All right. Thanks so much, Don Clark, for helping us with this.

CLARK: Thank you, Carol.

LIN: Well, thousands of homes in northern Illinois are without power tonight. Chicago and surrounding areas got absolutely pounded by a band of thunderstorms. The whipping wind and rain tore down electric lines, servicing some 47,000 homes.

Con Ed crews will work through the night to restore power to as many neighborhoods as possible. And further out west, several days of continuous rainfall push rivers across Kansas out of their banks. And today brought tornado warnings. Forecasters know it's not a question of if Kansas will get severe weather, it's when.

So any relief in sight for the water logged Midwest? Let's check in with CNN's weather center and meteorologist Jacqui Jeras.

Jacqui, you see this whole weather picture as being very serious out there tonight?

JACQUI JERAS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes, it really is. In fact, this is going to be one of the worst severe weather outbreaks of the year, 2005 so far. We had a pretty quiet May, but boy, we're hitting June so far.

In order to be an outbreak, by the way, Carol, you have to have 20 tornadoes. We've had 30 reports so far for tonight. And that stands across much of the nation's mid section.

And just take a look at how much real estate this is covering. We're talking from the UP of Michigan, extending all the way down into Texas for tonight. And two of our tornado watches, this one right here and this one right here in the parts of Kansas and into Missouri, are called PDS watches. That means particularly dangerous situation by the storm prediction center.

This is the area that's been getting hit the hardest over and over again. Northeastern Kansas and also into northwestern parts of Missouri. A lot of those storms are starting to sneak into southern parts of Iowa.

We have a few warnings to talk about. In Missouri Western Platte County and in Kansas, Wyandotte, and Leavenworth County, that -- these thunderstorms right here approaching the Kansas City area, these are pushing eastward. This is a radar indicated tornado. So a tornado could pop out at any time. If you live in Kansas City, be aware. These storms are heading in your direction.

We're going to take a trip a little farther down to the south in the Oklahoma City area. You've been getting nailed on and off all night long with strong damaging winds and also a lot of heavy rain. You can see the severe thunderstorm warnings are just to your south at this hour.

And this one just coming in off my printer. This is in Wisconsin, northern Taylor County in north central Wisconsin. Law enforcement officials there report a tornado one mile north of Gilman. So you need to take cover now in Taylor County in Wisconsin.

Severe weather threat continues throughout much of the night tonight, Carol. And that's going to head eastward tomorrow. Chicago getting hit again, extending to Indianapolis, Detroit, all the way down to St. Louis and Oklahoma City, getting hit hard again. So it'll be a very busy weekend. And remember, keep your NOA radio on tonight. These storms are not going away.

LIN: All right, and neither are you, Jacqui.

JERAS: That's right.

LIN: Thanks so much for helping us with this and tracking it through this hour. So stay tuned. Jacqui's going to bring us all the latest.

In the meantime, I want to go to some international news. Isolated incidents, that's the characterization. That's what the White House spokesman calls reports that U.S. guards at Guantanamo Bay mistreated Korans. The military looked into the allegations and confirmed at least four instances when U.S. guards mistreated the Muslims holy book, in some cases, stepping on the books or splashing them with water or urine.

But as CNN's Kathleen Koch reports, military officials also say the Koran was equally, if not more often, abused by prisoners themselves.

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KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The probe by Brigadier General Jay Hood turned up five cases of alleged mishandling of the Koran at the Guantanamo Bay prison, which he concluded had any merit. They discovered one incident when guards kicked a detainee's Koran, one case when a guard's urine inadvertently splashed onto a detainee and his Koran through the air vent. The Koran was replaced.

One incident of a water balloon fight between guards getting two Korans wet. In another case, a contract interrogator stepped on a detainee's Koran and later apologized. And finally, a two-word obscenity in English was found written in a detainee's Koran, but because he spoke English, it could not be determined whether he or a guard wrote the words.

EDMUND GHAREEB, ADJ. PROF. OF MIDEAST STUDIES: We're only talking about a literal handful of problems that are associated with some sort of desecration or mishandling of the Koran. So I think for the most part, we're talking about extreme exceptions to the rule.

KOCH: The investigation also found 15 instances when detainees themselves, often in protest, mishandled their own Korans. The report describes detainees tearing out pages, urinating and spitting on their Korans, and even trying to flush them down the toilet.

Widespread riots broke out throughout the Muslim world when "Newsweek" magazine claimed U.S. soldiers had flushed the Koran down the toilet, the story it later retracted. But the Hood Probe found no evidence that ever happened. Still, some believe despite this investigation the damage has been done.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the U.S. has already gotten a black eye. There's no doubt about that. The U.S. has -- the image has suffered. And I think to another extent, also, the war on terrorism has suffered because this has undermined the U.S.'s credibility.

KOCH: The White House insists these incidents are the exception, saying "our men and women in the military adhere to the highest standards, including when it comes to respecting and protecting religious freedom."

(on camera): The Pentagon now considers the matter closed, though the report says the military is considering a number of recommendations to make minor changes in its Koran handling policy.

Kathleen Koch, CNN, the Pentagon.

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LIN: And we have word tonight about the health of Saddam Hussein. Not his physical condition, but frankly his state of mind. The judge overseeing the trial of the former Iraqi president says Saddam has suffered a collapse in his morale.

The judge's comments appear in a London based Arabic language newspaper. He says Saddam has realized the gravity of the charges he's facing and that his war crimes trial should begin within two months.

The mystery may be solved, but the debate goes on. Did Mark Felt, aka Deep Throat, do the right thing? And do the leaks make him a hero or something less? I'll ask one time whistleblower Coleen Rowley.

Plus bludgeoned over a ball. And 11-year old stabbed by her friend, an infant beaten with a two by four. Disturbing cases of children killing children.

And later, the little girl trapped in a well. She captured America's heart, but we are going to look back right now as one of CNN's most memorable moments. You're watching CNN SATURDAY NIGHT.

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LIN: It is our talk tonight. It has been the talk of the week. If you haven't heard the surprise Watergate revelation, you've probably been in serious isolation. There he was -- there he is, Mark Felt, the Nixon era number two man at the FBI. He stunned the world this week by confirming that he's the mysterious Watergate source known as Deep Throat.

Now in the days since the announcement, he's been called a traitor, a hero, a snitch, a patriot. But what do you think? We're going to get your opinion in just a moment.

But I spoke earlier with the woman who up until now was the most famous FBI whistleblower. I asked Coleen Rowley if she agreed with people who say Mark Felt should have long ago gone public like she did.

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COLEEN ROWLEY, RETIRED FBI AGENT: Actually, I do disagree with that assessment because in my case, I really didn't come out publicly. My memo was leaked by probably someone in Congress. So I myself would never have brought my letter to the attention of the media.

And I think that in the case of Deep Throat, he would not have been -- his allegations or his information would not have been received well.

LIN: Why do you think his admission publicly has resonated so deeply with the public? There are people out there who think that he's a hero. And there are others who say that he's a traitor?

ROWLEY: Well, we are going right to the these very strong ethical issues of loyalty, whether loyalty trumps integrity. I preach ethics a lot. And this -- (INAUDIBLE) are going right to the key issues of secrecy and conflicting loyalties.

LIN: So does that explain why he waited so long to identify himself?

ROWLEY: Yes, of course. If you think about it, and he would have been doing these for an ulterior motive, for instance, to gather attention to himself, he would have come forward probably years ago and have sought that kind of publicity.

So I think that fact that he did not come forward until he was in failing health actually shows that he was -- the reason that he brought this information forward was actually a right one in terms of seeking truth on the matter.

LIN: Give me an idea of what was going through his mind in making this admission. I mean, you yourself, when your allegations were publicly revealed, and you had to publicly talk about it, did you feel conflicted knowing how this would reflect so poorly on the agency that you worked for?

ROWLEY: Yes, there are deep conflicts for people in this type of situation. And especially for someone like Mark Felt, I don't know if I can quote it exactly, but J. Edgar Hoover had elevated loyalty to the paramount importance in the FBI. And if I can quote it correctly, there was a quote that was on all the walls in J. Edgar Hoover's FBI.

It said, "if you work for a man, then speak well of him and stand by the institution he represents. And if you must grumble and complain, then resign your position. And when you are on the outside, then damn to your heart's content, but while you are part of the institution, speak well of the institution. Otherwise, the first high wind that comes along will blow you away and you may never know why."

And if you think about that kind of paramount loyalty factor, and now someone in his position going against a quote that he has perhaps seen ever day of his working career, it would cause deep conflict.

LIN: And so people being so conflicted about Mark Felt, what's the reaction that you're getting out there? Because you're actually thinking about running for Congress. So how do people respond to you?

ROWLEY: Well, I think I'm treated a little bit the same way. There are certainly a number of people who at least give me begrudging respect. And what I try to tell audiences, of course, is that if you get into one of these very hard ethical dilemmas where loyalty is conflicting with integrity, you must choose integrity.

And I think over time, people start to see that. And I think even in Mark Felt's case, people see that he was trying to uphold the constitution, and serve the taxpayer, which is a higher form of loyalty than just service to the smaller group or to any particular boss.

LIN: So your famous memo, what difference do you think it has made? What's going to be your place in history, Coleen Rowley?

ROWLEY: Well, of course it's not over yet. And I hope that I can go on and serve the public in other ways. I'm thinking -- I'm considering running for Congress. And of course, that would be a great way to continue service to the public.

So it's -- I don't think it's quite written, but in my case, there will be certainly these same issues that we're talking about here with Deep Throat will rise up to the top if I was to begin campaigning. I know that they're out there.

(END VIDEOTAPE) LIN: Well, that leads us to our last call question tonight. Given the same opportunity with the same damaging information, would you do today what Mark Felt did 33 years ago? Why or why not? Give us a call at 1-800-807-2620.

It started as a fight over a toy and it ended in tragedy. Next, saying goodbye to an 11-year old killed by her 9-year old playmate and asking why it ever happened.

And could the tape tip the scales? Well, many are now asking what is the key in the prosecution's case against Michael Jackson. Jurors now just days away from deciding his fate.

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LIN: Taking a look at news around the nation, in New York, an emotional funeral for 11-year old Queen Washington. Police say the girl was stabbed to death by a playmate in a fight over a rubber ball. Her alleged killer, age 9, now faces manslaughter and related charges.

And the juvenile justice system is built around the notion that children can be rehabilitated. But the killers are getting younger and younger. And the crimes ever more gruesome.

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LIN (voice-over): Dressed in black, New York City's youngest murder suspect was arraigned Friday in Brooklyn Family Court. The nine-year old girl, identified by police only as Shanice Kay, allegedly killed her 11-year old friend in a fight over a pink rubber ball.

Queen Washington died Memorial Day from a single stab wound to the chest. The murdered girl's grandfather with a painful reminder emblazoned across his forearm, doesn't seek conventional justice.

EARL WASHINGTON, GRANDFATHER: She needs some help. She needs therapy. I don't want nothing bad to happen to her. I just want her to get better.

LIN: Other family members are less understanding.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She knew what she was doing. She knew exactly what she was doing.

LIN: As the family wrestled with grief, Florida authorities revealed another disturbing case. A 7-year old boy confessing to a heinous crime.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He admitted that he had punched, he had kicked, and he had hit his 7-month old step sister in the head with a two by four.

LIN: Authorities in Tampa say they believe the boy killed the infant out of jealousy. Unlike the case in New York, police claim the boy shows no remorse. Prosecutors seem unsure about how to treat a deliberate act of violence by such a young child.

PAM BONDI, STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE: No one's seen a case where a 7-year old could be charged with intentionally killing their baby sibling. I mean, it's unbelievable. And so there are a lot of legal issues that we have to research involving the competency of a child that age.

LIN: These cases not only pose legal challenges for prosecutors, but they pose serious questions as well about a society that is seeing its youngest members commit its most disturbing crimes.

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LIN: We'll have much more on these stories. In the meantime, the U.S. Supreme Court has stepped into the debate, saying juvenile offenders are fundamentally different from adults and cannot be executed.

Well, both sides have rested. And the end is in sight. So what will the Michael Jackson jurors weigh most in deciding the pop star's fate? I'm going to talk about that next.

Plus, what if? What if Mark Felt never spoke to Bob Woodward? What if Richard Nixon had not resigned? Jeff Greenfield looks at how the world might be a different place.

And don't forget our last call question tonight. Given the same opportunity with the same damaging information, would you do today what Mark Felt did back then? Give us a call at 1-800-807-2620.

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LIN: Taking a look at the headlines tonight and tomorrow. Sources are telling CNN a confidential Department of Homeland Security report is recommending improvements in airport security and screening. The report is being characterized as a road map for airports. The sources say many of its recommendations are already being analyzed or implemented.

And a trusted aide of Pope John Paul II says he hasn't burned the late pontiff's papers, even though the pope's will actually instructs him to do so. Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz says the papers should be saved for future generations and could help efforts to have the late pope declared a saint.

More than 200 items that once belonged to actress Marilyn Monroe went up for auction today in Los Angeles. Items in the auction, well for example, Monroe's famous blow up dress. Also, her personal phone book and the application to change her name from Norma Jean Mortensen to Marilyn Monroe.

After 14 weeks of dramatic and sometimes bizarre testimony, the fate of Michael Jackson is now in the hands of the jury. Closing arguments in the pop star's molestation trial stretch from Thursday into Friday. The jurors deliberated for about two hours yesterday afternoon before adjourning for the weekend. CNN's Rusty Dornin has more.

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RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): With his mother on his arm, his father close by, Michael Jackson gave one small wave to fans before going into what would be the last chance to sway the jury. Five of Jackson's brothers and sisters came to court, the largest showing of the Jackson family since the early days of the trial. In his final two-hour plea to the panel, defense attorney Thomas Mesereau repeatedly described the accuser and his family as con-artists, actors and liars. He asked the jury to question why the boy didn't claim molestation until after the family had seen two lawyers.

SUSAN FILAN, LEGAL ANALYST: He's not slurring the victim for the purpose of putting the victim on trial. He's slurring the victim because he thinks this victim is committing a fraud and a perjury on this court. And he even said to the jury, "Don't let them do it to you."

DORNIN: Mesereau urged the jury to consider reasonable doubt and to throw the case out the door. But prosecutor Ron Zonen got the last word and asked jurors how could they believe that Jackson's practice of sleeping with boys was not sexual.

CRAIG SMITH, LEGAL ANALYST: If he sleeps with a boy, who is 12 years old and he's a middle-aged man, if he sleeps with a boy 365 nights a year, that's not a friendship. That's a relationship.

DORNIN: The defense argued that Jackson would have been stupid to molest the accuser after the documentary aired, but prosecutors countered that Jackson would do it because he could and because the accuser was in love with him. The prosecution made their final impression by showing tape of the police interview with the accuser, where the boy, in halting tones, claims Jackson molested him.

Jackson's gaunt appearance in recent weeks has drawn questions about his health, as did his visit to a hospital this week.

RAYMONE BAIN, JACKSON SPOKESWOMAN: It was not because he was sick, but because Mr. Greggor said "You look a little dehydrated and I feel that you need electrolytes."

DORNIN: Jackson has been to the hospital twice before during the trial, once complaining of back pain, another time with flu symptoms. And again on his mother's arm and with a weak wave, Jackson left the courthouse to return only when his fate has been decided.

(on camera): When his fate has been decided, the judge told Jackson he has one hour to get to the courthouse. The jury deliberated less than two hours before going home for the weekend. They'll be back on Monday morning at 8:30. We've also learned there will be a live audio feed in the courtroom when the verdict is reached.

Rusty Dornin, CNN, Santa Maria, California.

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LIN: Well, a spokeswoman says Jackson is relieved the trial is over and confident the jury is going to acquit him of charges, but will it?

Attorney Anne Bremner has been in the courtroom almost every day during this trial. She joins me now to bring us to up to date. Anne, good to see you.

ANNE BREMNER, ATTORNEY: Nice to see you.

LIN: So who do you think did a better job, defense or prosecution, in their closing arguments?

BREMNER: Well, this case has been a horse race throughout. And the closings in a lot of way kind of mimic the way the evidence has come in.

But I'd have to say the prosecution did a better and more compelling job in the closing arguments.

LIN: In what sense?

BREMNER: They -- it was -- Zonen, the prosecutor, was kind of like an Atticus Finch/Jimmy Stewart. And the Brits out here called this a closing speech rather than a closing argument. This was a speech.

It had a beginning, middle, end. It had -- it was like a rhapsody of words, like music with crescendos and inter mezzos. And it had beautiful visuals. And there was not a lost thought or a wasted word.

And it was so compelling and emotional, by the end of it, I felt like he was going to stand up and applaud for him. It was just beautifully done and brilliant.

LIN: Was there a reaction by the jury?

BREMNER: This jury, I think they know that we're watching them all the time. And so, they just don't react. I mean, they're very stone faced, but they sure -- they've been paying rapt attention.

LIN: Well, do you think, having watched this jury, I mean for months now, do you think it's going to be a quick deliberation?

BREMNER: I do. Remember last week, I said don't be surprised if we're talking tonight and there's a verdict? But it didn't get to them in time for them to have enough time, only two hours, to deliberate.

But I think they get along. They're solid, common sense folks down there in Santa Maria. And I think they'll be able to pull this together pretty quickly.

LIN: Was there -- is there anything to say on the defense's behalf? Did you see any, I don't know, strength or credibility, because you were marveling last week at how they chose not to issue a rebuttal after, you know, the prosecution showed that compelling videotape of the accuser, you know, so vulnerable...

BREMNER: Right.

LIN: ...and frankly, very consistent in his testimony.

BREMNER: Right.

LIN: ...and frankly, very consistent in his testimony about what happened.

BREMNER: And you know what, Carol? They showed that at the end of their rebuttal argument, too. That was the last voice the jury heard at the very end of the case and the arguments.

Thomas Mesereau used to be a boxer. He's like a pugilist. He said if you can't believe this family beyond a reasonable doubt, you must acquit.

LIN: All right.

BREMNER: And he called the family con artists, liars, actors, and did an excellent job in this closing, too.

LIN: Mm-hmm. I should say what the accuser claimed happened, not actually what happened.

BREMNER: Sure.

LIN: Because we don't really know. So if you were to make a prediction, Anne, got to ask you, I mean you've been there every day, which way would you go?

BREMNER: I keep thinking that the "celebrity justice" is not an oxymoron.

LIN: You're not talking about the television show. You're talking about...

BREMNER: No, no, I'm not talking about -- just the phrase itself. Not an oxymoron, like not mutually exclusive words. If I were to vote right now on this jury, I think the weight of the evidence indicates guilt on the molestation charges and the alcohol charge.

LIN: And what do you think was the most conclusive piece of evidence for you?

BREMNER: The Paren (ph) evidence, 1108. The fact that once a pedophile, always pedophile. Where there's smoke, there's fire, that Michael Jackson has done this again and again and again.

LIN: Even though he's never been convicted in the past? There's only been smoke, no fire. BREMNER: Right, but that much smoke with that many independent witnesses and victims add up to fire, especially with fingerprints in this case and pornography, an eyewitness, an alarm bell -- a danger bell in Michael Jackson's bedroom. And of course, the accuser himself in that video that was the last voice that we heard.

LIN: All right. We'll see what happens. In the meantime, Anne Bremner...

BREMNER: Thank you.

LIN: ...we had a little bit of fire. They're called birthday candles and a little surprise for you. Here it is from the control room.

BREMNER: Oh, man. I love it.

LIN: Happy birthday, Anne Bremner.

BREMNER: You're so wonderful.

LIN: You did not get a ticket home, plane ticket home. So you know, you stuck around in the L.A. area so we could do our regular hit here on the Michael Jackson trial. And we just want to wish you the very best. Happy birthday.

BREMNER: Oh, thank you. I'm going to start crying. Thank you.

LIN: Well deserved. And may all your wishes come true. Thanks, Anne!

BREMNER: Thanks so much, Carol. Thanks to everybody.

LIN: Well, be sure to tune in to "LARRY KING LIVE" tomorrow. His guests are two of Jackson's brothers, Jermaine and Tito Jackson. Tomorrow, live, 9:00 a.m. -- excuse me, 9:00 p.m. Eastern, 6:00 Pacific.

Well, her size tiny, her plight, titanic. Straight ahead tonight, looking back at one of CNN's most memorable moments, covering the little girl stuck in the well.

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LIN: We are celebrating the 25th anniversary of CNN by highlighting some of our most memorable stories. And one that captured the world's attention was that of Baby Jessica. Back in 1987, an anxious world watched the frantic effort to rescue an 18- month old girl from the bottom of a Texas well.

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CHIEF JAMES ROBERTS, FIRE RESCUE COMMANDER: Of course, this is a desert area. And really, the reason Midland got its start was because of underground water. This back yard is a little bit different than it was in 1987. People have drilled water wells primarily to water their yards.

Of course, this is the well and shaft that she was in. If you look at that shaft, you just can't believe that a human would be in there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What started as a child's innocent game...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jessica McClure, trapped...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People all over the world have been watching this story.

TONY CLARK, FMR. CNN CORRESPONDENT: Jessica was 18-months old at the time. She was playing in the back yard. She had fallen 22 feet into the well.

When we got there, we found that some of the reporters had already gotten ladders. We did not have a ladder. And so, I started knocking on doors up and down the block.

(voice-over): The rescuers are making progress literally by inches. Cameras and microphones have been dropped down.

(on camera): They could hear her crying a little bit, gurgling. So they knew that she was alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With the Lord's help and with your prayers, we know that little girl's going to make it.

CLARK: Chip and Sissy McClure were so young. I think she was 18. He was around the same age. And they were obviously worried parents.

(voice-over): It has gone frustratingly slow, as volunteer rescuers drilled, they found it tougher than expected.

ROBERTS: Well, this is what we were digging through. We didn't know it was going to take a couple of days.

This is the actual indention of the hole that we drilled.

CLARK: They drilled a shaft parallel to the one Jessica fell in.

ROBERTS: These guys were man handling this jack hammer sideways and drilling across there and just some of the reasons that it took so long.

Some 58 hours after we'd been drilling, everybody was pretty tired. And we'd been through a lot and been through a lot of disappointment.

All of a sudden, I'm listening on the phone. And Steve says Chief Roberts, got her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tony Clark in Midland, Texas. Tony?

CLARK: It looks like they're bringing her up right now. We're seeing a lot of activity.

ROBERTS: But when she actually came up above ground, I couldn't believe it.

(APPLAUSE)

I had to lean around some of the people and just make sure. And I saw that one eye open and saw her moving and I knew that we had finally done it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can see the enthusiasm. You can hear the applause, as the -- Jessica is brought up. The smiles -- it has taken a long time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is swathed in bandages. And she's on a back brace and carried to the waiting ambulance to the cheers of the rescue workers and people that were surrounding her.

It was really quite a moment. And what happened after that is horns started honking throughout Midland. You knew that this was a city that was rejoicing at that moment.

ROBERTS: I don't know how she ever got out of there alive. Knowing what I know now. As a matter of fact, I'd probably say that that's one of the miracles that we've seen in our lifetime.

CLARK: Looking at Jessica now, she graduated from high school last year. Her parents have helped her keep a very low profile. But it's interesting that right now, she is around 18-years old. And that's the same age as her mom was at the time of this -- that she was trapped in the well.

I think the Jessica McClure story changed network news coverage to show that it can put viewers at the scene of a breaking news story from start to finish.

ROBERTS: (INAUDIBLE) we got her out. And it says "for Jessica, 10-16-87 with love from all of us."

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: Be sure to join CNN tomorrow for a special anniversary broadcast, "Defining Moments: 25 stories that touched our lives." That's tomorrow evening at 8:00 Eastern.

We'll be right back.

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LIN: Well, from the arrest to the articles of impeachment and finally the resignation of a president, Watergate was a political cliffhanger that no one could have predicted. It changed history, but imagine what would be different if the Watergate scandal had just gone away.

Here's CNN's senor analyst Jeff Greenfield. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JEFF GREENFIELD, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST (voice-over): August 9, 1974, Watergate's final chapter. As the first president in American history to resign -- hold it, hold it. Imagine this never happened. Imagine that Nixon or John Mitchell or somebody had said, a burglary, at Democratic headquarters? Are you nuts?

Or suppose there had been no Deep Throat or any other source to guide Woodward and Bernstein down the money trail? Or that we'd never learned about those tapes?

Imagine, in other words, that Richard Nixon had served out his second term and done it without the cloud of scandal.

(on camera) The what-ifs are fascinating. They suggest, in fact, that everything from our politics to our journalism to our national culture might have been very, very different.

(voice-over) Start with our politics.

SPIRO AGNEW, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: I had not resign...

GREENFIELD: Vice President Agnew still would have been forced out of office in the fall of 1973. His misdeeds had to do with bribes, not Watergate.

But without Watergate, Nixon would not have had to reach out to Congress by picking House Republican leader Gerald Ford. He might well, have turned to one of his personal favorites, Democrat turned Republican John Connolly. And that, in turn, would have made Connolly a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 1976.

Also without Watergate, the appeal of a Washington outsider like, say, California Governor Ronald Reagan, might have been less compelling. And it's just possible that conservatism's most articulate spokesman might never have had a real shot at national office.

JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: My name is Jimmy Carter, and I'm running for president.

GREENFIELD: And speaking of outsiders, would a peanut farmer turned governor like Jimmy Carter, who boasted of his lack of Washington experience, really been a likely Democratic presidential nominee? Or would a Washington face, Senator Scoop Jackson, Congressman Mo Udall, even former vice president, Hubert Humphrey, have been more likely?

And a likely Democratic presidential nominee?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Opening the mail of American citizens for over...

GREENFIELD: What about public policy? After Nixon quit, Congress asserted its power over an imperial presidency and essentially refused to fund the Vietnam War any longer. In 1975, the communist north conquered the south, and the Khmer Rouge took over Cambodia. To this day some conservatives argue that, had Nixon not left, these events and the subsequent genocide in Cambodia might never have happened.

Another question: without the loss of Vietnam, would later enemies of the United States have come to believe that this nuclear superpower was a paper tiger which could be successfully attacked?

Other what-ifs. Would American journalism have developed quite as big an appetite for the political scandal? Would every political controversy have been labeled as another "gate"?

And would the press and the public have developed so strong a sense that government itself was a suspect institution? In 1964, one major survey showed more than three-fourths of Americans trusted the government to do what is right almost all or most of the time. A decade later a little more than a third did.

(on camera) Which leads to this final what if: without Watergate, which led to big Democratic gains in the Congress and to a Democratic White House takeover in '76, would the distrust in government grown so great that most Americans now accept the central conservative premise that government is often not the solution but the problem?

Jeff Greenfield, CNN, New York.

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LIN: And that is all the time we have for this evening. We're going to leave you tonight with your responses to our last call question. Given the same opportunity with the same damaging information, would you do today what Mark Felt did back then? Here's what you had to say. And have a great night.

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CALLER: I would most certainly do what Mark Felt did. It's a form of patriotism to see something that is wrong and try to correct it.

CALLER: Yes, I would because as Coleen Rowley said, integrity should trump loyalty.

CALLER: Of course I would do it because I believe in the freedom in the American people. And I do not believe in evil and oppression ruining the state of our nation.

CALLER: I think he's a coward that he waited to be 91 or whatever, and because he's dying, he's considered himself being a hero. I don't think so. He should have said it then and there 30 years ago.

CALLER: Yes, I would because political corruption is the biggest enemy of the freedom.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As I've said from the beginning, I'm not leaving Aruba without her.

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LIN: A mother's desperate plea for her daughter's life. Tonight, the latest on the mysterious disappearance of an Alabama teen. Also, confirmed reports of mistreatment of the holy Koran, not just by guards, but also by the prisoners themselves at Guantanamo Bay. And what if Watergate never happened? We're going to explore the fallout or lack thereof if Deep Throat hadn't helped bring down the Nixon administration. These stories and a lot more next on CNN SATURDAY NIGHT.

Good evening, I'm Carol Lin from the CNN Center in Atlanta. Straight ahead this hour, a major outbreak of spring storms is affecting several parts of the country, sparking tornadoes and flash floods.

And also, two disturbing cases this week of kids killing kids. So we are going to examine the tough task of prosecuting very young children.

And after two compelling closing arguments, jurors finally have the child molestation case against Michael Jackson. So I'm going to talk with a courtroom insider on which way the jury could swing.

But up first tonight, to a tiny Caribbean island about the size of Washington, D.C. The Dutch administered holiday haven of Aruba is best known for blue water, welcoming beaches, and fun in the sun. But tonight, it is the scene of a massive search for a missing American teenager.

Natalee Holloway was celebrating her high school graduation with dozens of classmates. She was last seen in the wee hours of Monday morning leaving a night club with three men. Since then, nothing.

CNN's Karl Penhaul joins me live now from Aruba, where police have some theories, Karl, but for the most part they seem pretty stumped. KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Indeed, Carol. And you must say that it's been an emotionally draining day for family and friends of Natalee Holloway. There have been tips. There have been leads. The police have been pursuing investigations, scouring the island, but there's still no sign of Natalee Holloway.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

PENHAUL (voice-over): One word that conjures up 1,000 fears and emotions. Police joined by well wishers scour Aruba's beaches for signs of Natalee Holloway.

And her mother, Beth, makes an emotional pledge about her missing daughter.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MISSING TEEN'S MOTHER: My primary goal is to bring Natalee back home. We will do whatever it takes. As I've said from the beginning, I'm not leaving Aruba without her.

PENHAUL: For much of the afternoon Saturday, investigators backed by FBI agents searched this hotel. It's being remodeled, plenty of hiding space workmen say. Nothing was found. It was just one of what police say are dozens of tips from the public.

Aruba's deputy police chief, Gerold Dompig, spelled out the avenues of inquiry.

DEP. COMM. GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBA POLICE: Three theories. One is, as you all know, these persons of interest might have done something wrong to Natalee. That's one area.

The other area is that this person is just missing in terms of somewhere else for whatever reason. And the last theory is, of course, kidnapping.

PENHAUL: The persons of interest he is referring to are three local men. They left this Mexican bar early Monday with Natalee. They told police they took her to a nearby beach before dropping her off at her hotel.

(on camera): Aruba is a tropical paradise of sorts. Plenty of sun, sea, and white sandy beaches. But it also has its darker side. The island is a transshipment point for cocaine and heroine coming from Colombia en route to the United States and Europe. The island's also stopping off point for many South American prostitutes, hoping to get to Europe.

(voice-over): But there's little history of violent crime against tourists. One-third of Aruba's income comes from tourism -- around a million visitors a year. Half of those from the U.S.

18-year old Natalee Holloway was one of many. Yet to those who knew her, she stood apart.

B. TWITTY: Natalee is truly an angel. She's a member of the National Honor Society. She's a straight A student. PENHAUL: She's praying hard her angel reappears safe and well in paradise.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PENHAUL: The rescue services and police investigators have also told me, Carol, in the course of the day how much they're feeling the stress, the strain, and the frustration of this investigation. But they say tomorrow, they're going to be up early again. They're going to be out again on the north side of the island, this time in four wheel drive (INAUDIBLE) and four wheel drive vehicles, and also in dingys along the coastline. And they're going to be looking once again for signs and clues as to the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway -- Carol?

LIN: All right, let's hope they find something. Hopefully find her very soon, Karl. Thank you very much.

Anxiety clearly growing in Natalee Holloway's hometown of Birmingham, Alabama. Friends and classmates and family members unable to help searchers in person are doing what they can to support one another and keep up their hopes and their spirits.

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ABBY ANDREWS, MISSING GIRL'S FRIEND: All you can do is pray. The greatest thing is prayer. And you know, everyone's just -- keeping the faith and trying to be real strong through it. We know that whatever happens, the good's going to come of it. So we're just trying to be strong and thanks for your time and your consideration and keep praying.

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LIN: Well, despite the hope that Natalee Holloway may have vanished of her own volition, police officials in Aruba have declared the search for her a criminal investigation.

Now the search party is growing in Aruba. And it includes local police, the Dutch military, FBI agents, Aruban volunteers, and vacationing tourists.

Don Clark is a former FBI special agent and a veteran of searchers like this. So he joins me now from Houston.

Don, given that, you know, we did massive coverage on the runaway bride story, it turns out this woman had left, you know, for her own reasons, and only to suddenly reappear.

Is there anything about this case that gives you hope that maybe that may be the same story for Natalee Holloway?

DON CLARK, FORMER FBI AGENT: Well, you know, Carol, you're right. We talked about the other story. And certainly, all of us would like for that to be the case. But from what I know of the circumstances at this point, Carol, it certainly does not appear that that's the case.

And if you looked at the -- if you listened to the police chief, you know, he talked about the theories and so forth. Clearly those theories have to be based on some type of evidence. And from what I'm able to find out in bits and pieces so far, that the evidence seems to lean towards two or three people that may have been involved in this girl's disappearance.

LIN: So why don't they -- the three men that she was seen leaving the club with, why don't they go ahead and arrest these guys and start interrogating them, start collecting evidence from their homes, whatever it might take?

CLARK: Well, you know, there's things called probable cause in this business. And it's a very tedious job for law enforcement to be able to do the right things and be patient enough, so that when they do make an arrest, it's a good arrest and it's one that's going to stick throughout the process.

Far be it from them to take some steps right now that would not be consistent with evidence gathering and things that they're going to need later on.

So I think they've got to take baby steps at this and at the same time, continue to look for this girl.

LIN: Yes, well you know that the family doesn't want them to take baby steps. They want the FBI to go in there and make the Aruban police conduct their investigation in the most aggressive manner.

So is there potentially friction between the FBI agents on the ground and the Aruban police?

CLARK: You know, that possibility could exist, Carol. But I think in today's world that we see an FBI that's expanded itself around the world and developed these liaison relationship with foreign police officers. And therefore, they have to understand that if the FBI is out of -- off of other soil, that they cannot conduct an investigations independently. And they've got to work with those police over there.

So how difficult that is kind of depends on what you do when peace is at hand and everybody trying to get to know each other, and learn their strategies and so forth, and work together.

So the FBI just can't storm in there and say, as we often see in the movies, "move out of the way, we're taking over."

LIN: Right.

CLARK: The Aruba police are the ones that's going to do this job. But they are asking for FBI help.

LIN: All right. So what do you think's going to happen next now? What's going to crack this case? CLARK: You know, I think good investigation is going to crack this. And good interrogation. And you mentioned just a few moments ago, Carol, is that arrest this people.

Well, maybe not arrest, but at least if they've got suspects, they've got to try and talk to these people and interview these people, and be able to develop information about it.

It's a small place over there, but when you're looking for one little girl, it's a real big place. So they've got to develop the evidence.

And then at the same time, they can develop other tactics to try to see if they can further develop some evidence to find out where she is, and anybody else who may be able to assist in the investigation.

LIN: They just need one really good tip, all right.

CLARK: You bet. That's what they need, one real good tip.

LIN: All right. Thanks so much, Don Clark, for helping us with this.

CLARK: Thank you, Carol.

LIN: Well, thousands of homes in northern Illinois are without power tonight. Chicago and surrounding areas got absolutely pounded by a band of thunderstorms. The whipping wind and rain tore down electric lines, servicing some 47,000 homes.

Con Ed crews will work through the night to restore power to as many neighborhoods as possible. And further out west, several days of continuous rainfall push rivers across Kansas out of their banks. And today brought tornado warnings. Forecasters know it's not a question of if Kansas will get severe weather, it's when.

So any relief in sight for the water logged Midwest? Let's check in with CNN's weather center and meteorologist Jacqui Jeras.

Jacqui, you see this whole weather picture as being very serious out there tonight?

JACQUI JERAS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes, it really is. In fact, this is going to be one of the worst severe weather outbreaks of the year, 2005 so far. We had a pretty quiet May, but boy, we're hitting June so far.

In order to be an outbreak, by the way, Carol, you have to have 20 tornadoes. We've had 30 reports so far for tonight. And that stands across much of the nation's mid section.

And just take a look at how much real estate this is covering. We're talking from the UP of Michigan, extending all the way down into Texas for tonight. And two of our tornado watches, this one right here and this one right here in the parts of Kansas and into Missouri, are called PDS watches. That means particularly dangerous situation by the storm prediction center.

This is the area that's been getting hit the hardest over and over again. Northeastern Kansas and also into northwestern parts of Missouri. A lot of those storms are starting to sneak into southern parts of Iowa.

We have a few warnings to talk about. In Missouri Western Platte County and in Kansas, Wyandotte, and Leavenworth County, that -- these thunderstorms right here approaching the Kansas City area, these are pushing eastward. This is a radar indicated tornado. So a tornado could pop out at any time. If you live in Kansas City, be aware. These storms are heading in your direction.

We're going to take a trip a little farther down to the south in the Oklahoma City area. You've been getting nailed on and off all night long with strong damaging winds and also a lot of heavy rain. You can see the severe thunderstorm warnings are just to your south at this hour.

And this one just coming in off my printer. This is in Wisconsin, northern Taylor County in north central Wisconsin. Law enforcement officials there report a tornado one mile north of Gilman. So you need to take cover now in Taylor County in Wisconsin.

Severe weather threat continues throughout much of the night tonight, Carol. And that's going to head eastward tomorrow. Chicago getting hit again, extending to Indianapolis, Detroit, all the way down to St. Louis and Oklahoma City, getting hit hard again. So it'll be a very busy weekend. And remember, keep your NOA radio on tonight. These storms are not going away.

LIN: All right, and neither are you, Jacqui.

JERAS: That's right.

LIN: Thanks so much for helping us with this and tracking it through this hour. So stay tuned. Jacqui's going to bring us all the latest.

In the meantime, I want to go to some international news. Isolated incidents, that's the characterization. That's what the White House spokesman calls reports that U.S. guards at Guantanamo Bay mistreated Korans. The military looked into the allegations and confirmed at least four instances when U.S. guards mistreated the Muslims holy book, in some cases, stepping on the books or splashing them with water or urine.

But as CNN's Kathleen Koch reports, military officials also say the Koran was equally, if not more often, abused by prisoners themselves.

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KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The probe by Brigadier General Jay Hood turned up five cases of alleged mishandling of the Koran at the Guantanamo Bay prison, which he concluded had any merit. They discovered one incident when guards kicked a detainee's Koran, one case when a guard's urine inadvertently splashed onto a detainee and his Koran through the air vent. The Koran was replaced.

One incident of a water balloon fight between guards getting two Korans wet. In another case, a contract interrogator stepped on a detainee's Koran and later apologized. And finally, a two-word obscenity in English was found written in a detainee's Koran, but because he spoke English, it could not be determined whether he or a guard wrote the words.

EDMUND GHAREEB, ADJ. PROF. OF MIDEAST STUDIES: We're only talking about a literal handful of problems that are associated with some sort of desecration or mishandling of the Koran. So I think for the most part, we're talking about extreme exceptions to the rule.

KOCH: The investigation also found 15 instances when detainees themselves, often in protest, mishandled their own Korans. The report describes detainees tearing out pages, urinating and spitting on their Korans, and even trying to flush them down the toilet.

Widespread riots broke out throughout the Muslim world when "Newsweek" magazine claimed U.S. soldiers had flushed the Koran down the toilet, the story it later retracted. But the Hood Probe found no evidence that ever happened. Still, some believe despite this investigation the damage has been done.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the U.S. has already gotten a black eye. There's no doubt about that. The U.S. has -- the image has suffered. And I think to another extent, also, the war on terrorism has suffered because this has undermined the U.S.'s credibility.

KOCH: The White House insists these incidents are the exception, saying "our men and women in the military adhere to the highest standards, including when it comes to respecting and protecting religious freedom."

(on camera): The Pentagon now considers the matter closed, though the report says the military is considering a number of recommendations to make minor changes in its Koran handling policy.

Kathleen Koch, CNN, the Pentagon.

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LIN: And we have word tonight about the health of Saddam Hussein. Not his physical condition, but frankly his state of mind. The judge overseeing the trial of the former Iraqi president says Saddam has suffered a collapse in his morale.

The judge's comments appear in a London based Arabic language newspaper. He says Saddam has realized the gravity of the charges he's facing and that his war crimes trial should begin within two months.

The mystery may be solved, but the debate goes on. Did Mark Felt, aka Deep Throat, do the right thing? And do the leaks make him a hero or something less? I'll ask one time whistleblower Coleen Rowley.

Plus bludgeoned over a ball. And 11-year old stabbed by her friend, an infant beaten with a two by four. Disturbing cases of children killing children.

And later, the little girl trapped in a well. She captured America's heart, but we are going to look back right now as one of CNN's most memorable moments. You're watching CNN SATURDAY NIGHT.

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LIN: It is our talk tonight. It has been the talk of the week. If you haven't heard the surprise Watergate revelation, you've probably been in serious isolation. There he was -- there he is, Mark Felt, the Nixon era number two man at the FBI. He stunned the world this week by confirming that he's the mysterious Watergate source known as Deep Throat.

Now in the days since the announcement, he's been called a traitor, a hero, a snitch, a patriot. But what do you think? We're going to get your opinion in just a moment.

But I spoke earlier with the woman who up until now was the most famous FBI whistleblower. I asked Coleen Rowley if she agreed with people who say Mark Felt should have long ago gone public like she did.

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COLEEN ROWLEY, RETIRED FBI AGENT: Actually, I do disagree with that assessment because in my case, I really didn't come out publicly. My memo was leaked by probably someone in Congress. So I myself would never have brought my letter to the attention of the media.

And I think that in the case of Deep Throat, he would not have been -- his allegations or his information would not have been received well.

LIN: Why do you think his admission publicly has resonated so deeply with the public? There are people out there who think that he's a hero. And there are others who say that he's a traitor?

ROWLEY: Well, we are going right to the these very strong ethical issues of loyalty, whether loyalty trumps integrity. I preach ethics a lot. And this -- (INAUDIBLE) are going right to the key issues of secrecy and conflicting loyalties.

LIN: So does that explain why he waited so long to identify himself?

ROWLEY: Yes, of course. If you think about it, and he would have been doing these for an ulterior motive, for instance, to gather attention to himself, he would have come forward probably years ago and have sought that kind of publicity.

So I think that fact that he did not come forward until he was in failing health actually shows that he was -- the reason that he brought this information forward was actually a right one in terms of seeking truth on the matter.

LIN: Give me an idea of what was going through his mind in making this admission. I mean, you yourself, when your allegations were publicly revealed, and you had to publicly talk about it, did you feel conflicted knowing how this would reflect so poorly on the agency that you worked for?

ROWLEY: Yes, there are deep conflicts for people in this type of situation. And especially for someone like Mark Felt, I don't know if I can quote it exactly, but J. Edgar Hoover had elevated loyalty to the paramount importance in the FBI. And if I can quote it correctly, there was a quote that was on all the walls in J. Edgar Hoover's FBI.

It said, "if you work for a man, then speak well of him and stand by the institution he represents. And if you must grumble and complain, then resign your position. And when you are on the outside, then damn to your heart's content, but while you are part of the institution, speak well of the institution. Otherwise, the first high wind that comes along will blow you away and you may never know why."

And if you think about that kind of paramount loyalty factor, and now someone in his position going against a quote that he has perhaps seen ever day of his working career, it would cause deep conflict.

LIN: And so people being so conflicted about Mark Felt, what's the reaction that you're getting out there? Because you're actually thinking about running for Congress. So how do people respond to you?

ROWLEY: Well, I think I'm treated a little bit the same way. There are certainly a number of people who at least give me begrudging respect. And what I try to tell audiences, of course, is that if you get into one of these very hard ethical dilemmas where loyalty is conflicting with integrity, you must choose integrity.

And I think over time, people start to see that. And I think even in Mark Felt's case, people see that he was trying to uphold the constitution, and serve the taxpayer, which is a higher form of loyalty than just service to the smaller group or to any particular boss.

LIN: So your famous memo, what difference do you think it has made? What's going to be your place in history, Coleen Rowley?

ROWLEY: Well, of course it's not over yet. And I hope that I can go on and serve the public in other ways. I'm thinking -- I'm considering running for Congress. And of course, that would be a great way to continue service to the public.

So it's -- I don't think it's quite written, but in my case, there will be certainly these same issues that we're talking about here with Deep Throat will rise up to the top if I was to begin campaigning. I know that they're out there.

(END VIDEOTAPE) LIN: Well, that leads us to our last call question tonight. Given the same opportunity with the same damaging information, would you do today what Mark Felt did 33 years ago? Why or why not? Give us a call at 1-800-807-2620.

It started as a fight over a toy and it ended in tragedy. Next, saying goodbye to an 11-year old killed by her 9-year old playmate and asking why it ever happened.

And could the tape tip the scales? Well, many are now asking what is the key in the prosecution's case against Michael Jackson. Jurors now just days away from deciding his fate.

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LIN: Taking a look at news around the nation, in New York, an emotional funeral for 11-year old Queen Washington. Police say the girl was stabbed to death by a playmate in a fight over a rubber ball. Her alleged killer, age 9, now faces manslaughter and related charges.

And the juvenile justice system is built around the notion that children can be rehabilitated. But the killers are getting younger and younger. And the crimes ever more gruesome.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

LIN (voice-over): Dressed in black, New York City's youngest murder suspect was arraigned Friday in Brooklyn Family Court. The nine-year old girl, identified by police only as Shanice Kay, allegedly killed her 11-year old friend in a fight over a pink rubber ball.

Queen Washington died Memorial Day from a single stab wound to the chest. The murdered girl's grandfather with a painful reminder emblazoned across his forearm, doesn't seek conventional justice.

EARL WASHINGTON, GRANDFATHER: She needs some help. She needs therapy. I don't want nothing bad to happen to her. I just want her to get better.

LIN: Other family members are less understanding.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She knew what she was doing. She knew exactly what she was doing.

LIN: As the family wrestled with grief, Florida authorities revealed another disturbing case. A 7-year old boy confessing to a heinous crime.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He admitted that he had punched, he had kicked, and he had hit his 7-month old step sister in the head with a two by four.

LIN: Authorities in Tampa say they believe the boy killed the infant out of jealousy. Unlike the case in New York, police claim the boy shows no remorse. Prosecutors seem unsure about how to treat a deliberate act of violence by such a young child.

PAM BONDI, STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE: No one's seen a case where a 7-year old could be charged with intentionally killing their baby sibling. I mean, it's unbelievable. And so there are a lot of legal issues that we have to research involving the competency of a child that age.

LIN: These cases not only pose legal challenges for prosecutors, but they pose serious questions as well about a society that is seeing its youngest members commit its most disturbing crimes.

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LIN: We'll have much more on these stories. In the meantime, the U.S. Supreme Court has stepped into the debate, saying juvenile offenders are fundamentally different from adults and cannot be executed.

Well, both sides have rested. And the end is in sight. So what will the Michael Jackson jurors weigh most in deciding the pop star's fate? I'm going to talk about that next.

Plus, what if? What if Mark Felt never spoke to Bob Woodward? What if Richard Nixon had not resigned? Jeff Greenfield looks at how the world might be a different place.

And don't forget our last call question tonight. Given the same opportunity with the same damaging information, would you do today what Mark Felt did back then? Give us a call at 1-800-807-2620.

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LIN: Taking a look at the headlines tonight and tomorrow. Sources are telling CNN a confidential Department of Homeland Security report is recommending improvements in airport security and screening. The report is being characterized as a road map for airports. The sources say many of its recommendations are already being analyzed or implemented.

And a trusted aide of Pope John Paul II says he hasn't burned the late pontiff's papers, even though the pope's will actually instructs him to do so. Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz says the papers should be saved for future generations and could help efforts to have the late pope declared a saint.

More than 200 items that once belonged to actress Marilyn Monroe went up for auction today in Los Angeles. Items in the auction, well for example, Monroe's famous blow up dress. Also, her personal phone book and the application to change her name from Norma Jean Mortensen to Marilyn Monroe.

After 14 weeks of dramatic and sometimes bizarre testimony, the fate of Michael Jackson is now in the hands of the jury. Closing arguments in the pop star's molestation trial stretch from Thursday into Friday. The jurors deliberated for about two hours yesterday afternoon before adjourning for the weekend. CNN's Rusty Dornin has more.

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RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): With his mother on his arm, his father close by, Michael Jackson gave one small wave to fans before going into what would be the last chance to sway the jury. Five of Jackson's brothers and sisters came to court, the largest showing of the Jackson family since the early days of the trial. In his final two-hour plea to the panel, defense attorney Thomas Mesereau repeatedly described the accuser and his family as con-artists, actors and liars. He asked the jury to question why the boy didn't claim molestation until after the family had seen two lawyers.

SUSAN FILAN, LEGAL ANALYST: He's not slurring the victim for the purpose of putting the victim on trial. He's slurring the victim because he thinks this victim is committing a fraud and a perjury on this court. And he even said to the jury, "Don't let them do it to you."

DORNIN: Mesereau urged the jury to consider reasonable doubt and to throw the case out the door. But prosecutor Ron Zonen got the last word and asked jurors how could they believe that Jackson's practice of sleeping with boys was not sexual.

CRAIG SMITH, LEGAL ANALYST: If he sleeps with a boy, who is 12 years old and he's a middle-aged man, if he sleeps with a boy 365 nights a year, that's not a friendship. That's a relationship.

DORNIN: The defense argued that Jackson would have been stupid to molest the accuser after the documentary aired, but prosecutors countered that Jackson would do it because he could and because the accuser was in love with him. The prosecution made their final impression by showing tape of the police interview with the accuser, where the boy, in halting tones, claims Jackson molested him.

Jackson's gaunt appearance in recent weeks has drawn questions about his health, as did his visit to a hospital this week.

RAYMONE BAIN, JACKSON SPOKESWOMAN: It was not because he was sick, but because Mr. Greggor said "You look a little dehydrated and I feel that you need electrolytes."

DORNIN: Jackson has been to the hospital twice before during the trial, once complaining of back pain, another time with flu symptoms. And again on his mother's arm and with a weak wave, Jackson left the courthouse to return only when his fate has been decided.

(on camera): When his fate has been decided, the judge told Jackson he has one hour to get to the courthouse. The jury deliberated less than two hours before going home for the weekend. They'll be back on Monday morning at 8:30. We've also learned there will be a live audio feed in the courtroom when the verdict is reached.

Rusty Dornin, CNN, Santa Maria, California.

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LIN: Well, a spokeswoman says Jackson is relieved the trial is over and confident the jury is going to acquit him of charges, but will it?

Attorney Anne Bremner has been in the courtroom almost every day during this trial. She joins me now to bring us to up to date. Anne, good to see you.

ANNE BREMNER, ATTORNEY: Nice to see you.

LIN: So who do you think did a better job, defense or prosecution, in their closing arguments?

BREMNER: Well, this case has been a horse race throughout. And the closings in a lot of way kind of mimic the way the evidence has come in.

But I'd have to say the prosecution did a better and more compelling job in the closing arguments.

LIN: In what sense?

BREMNER: They -- it was -- Zonen, the prosecutor, was kind of like an Atticus Finch/Jimmy Stewart. And the Brits out here called this a closing speech rather than a closing argument. This was a speech.

It had a beginning, middle, end. It had -- it was like a rhapsody of words, like music with crescendos and inter mezzos. And it had beautiful visuals. And there was not a lost thought or a wasted word.

And it was so compelling and emotional, by the end of it, I felt like he was going to stand up and applaud for him. It was just beautifully done and brilliant.

LIN: Was there a reaction by the jury?

BREMNER: This jury, I think they know that we're watching them all the time. And so, they just don't react. I mean, they're very stone faced, but they sure -- they've been paying rapt attention.

LIN: Well, do you think, having watched this jury, I mean for months now, do you think it's going to be a quick deliberation?

BREMNER: I do. Remember last week, I said don't be surprised if we're talking tonight and there's a verdict? But it didn't get to them in time for them to have enough time, only two hours, to deliberate.

But I think they get along. They're solid, common sense folks down there in Santa Maria. And I think they'll be able to pull this together pretty quickly.

LIN: Was there -- is there anything to say on the defense's behalf? Did you see any, I don't know, strength or credibility, because you were marveling last week at how they chose not to issue a rebuttal after, you know, the prosecution showed that compelling videotape of the accuser, you know, so vulnerable...

BREMNER: Right.

LIN: ...and frankly, very consistent in his testimony.

BREMNER: Right.

LIN: ...and frankly, very consistent in his testimony about what happened.

BREMNER: And you know what, Carol? They showed that at the end of their rebuttal argument, too. That was the last voice the jury heard at the very end of the case and the arguments.

Thomas Mesereau used to be a boxer. He's like a pugilist. He said if you can't believe this family beyond a reasonable doubt, you must acquit.

LIN: All right.

BREMNER: And he called the family con artists, liars, actors, and did an excellent job in this closing, too.

LIN: Mm-hmm. I should say what the accuser claimed happened, not actually what happened.

BREMNER: Sure.

LIN: Because we don't really know. So if you were to make a prediction, Anne, got to ask you, I mean you've been there every day, which way would you go?

BREMNER: I keep thinking that the "celebrity justice" is not an oxymoron.

LIN: You're not talking about the television show. You're talking about...

BREMNER: No, no, I'm not talking about -- just the phrase itself. Not an oxymoron, like not mutually exclusive words. If I were to vote right now on this jury, I think the weight of the evidence indicates guilt on the molestation charges and the alcohol charge.

LIN: And what do you think was the most conclusive piece of evidence for you?

BREMNER: The Paren (ph) evidence, 1108. The fact that once a pedophile, always pedophile. Where there's smoke, there's fire, that Michael Jackson has done this again and again and again.

LIN: Even though he's never been convicted in the past? There's only been smoke, no fire. BREMNER: Right, but that much smoke with that many independent witnesses and victims add up to fire, especially with fingerprints in this case and pornography, an eyewitness, an alarm bell -- a danger bell in Michael Jackson's bedroom. And of course, the accuser himself in that video that was the last voice that we heard.

LIN: All right. We'll see what happens. In the meantime, Anne Bremner...

BREMNER: Thank you.

LIN: ...we had a little bit of fire. They're called birthday candles and a little surprise for you. Here it is from the control room.

BREMNER: Oh, man. I love it.

LIN: Happy birthday, Anne Bremner.

BREMNER: You're so wonderful.

LIN: You did not get a ticket home, plane ticket home. So you know, you stuck around in the L.A. area so we could do our regular hit here on the Michael Jackson trial. And we just want to wish you the very best. Happy birthday.

BREMNER: Oh, thank you. I'm going to start crying. Thank you.

LIN: Well deserved. And may all your wishes come true. Thanks, Anne!

BREMNER: Thanks so much, Carol. Thanks to everybody.

LIN: Well, be sure to tune in to "LARRY KING LIVE" tomorrow. His guests are two of Jackson's brothers, Jermaine and Tito Jackson. Tomorrow, live, 9:00 a.m. -- excuse me, 9:00 p.m. Eastern, 6:00 Pacific.

Well, her size tiny, her plight, titanic. Straight ahead tonight, looking back at one of CNN's most memorable moments, covering the little girl stuck in the well.

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LIN: We are celebrating the 25th anniversary of CNN by highlighting some of our most memorable stories. And one that captured the world's attention was that of Baby Jessica. Back in 1987, an anxious world watched the frantic effort to rescue an 18- month old girl from the bottom of a Texas well.

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CHIEF JAMES ROBERTS, FIRE RESCUE COMMANDER: Of course, this is a desert area. And really, the reason Midland got its start was because of underground water. This back yard is a little bit different than it was in 1987. People have drilled water wells primarily to water their yards.

Of course, this is the well and shaft that she was in. If you look at that shaft, you just can't believe that a human would be in there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What started as a child's innocent game...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jessica McClure, trapped...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People all over the world have been watching this story.

TONY CLARK, FMR. CNN CORRESPONDENT: Jessica was 18-months old at the time. She was playing in the back yard. She had fallen 22 feet into the well.

When we got there, we found that some of the reporters had already gotten ladders. We did not have a ladder. And so, I started knocking on doors up and down the block.

(voice-over): The rescuers are making progress literally by inches. Cameras and microphones have been dropped down.

(on camera): They could hear her crying a little bit, gurgling. So they knew that she was alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With the Lord's help and with your prayers, we know that little girl's going to make it.

CLARK: Chip and Sissy McClure were so young. I think she was 18. He was around the same age. And they were obviously worried parents.

(voice-over): It has gone frustratingly slow, as volunteer rescuers drilled, they found it tougher than expected.

ROBERTS: Well, this is what we were digging through. We didn't know it was going to take a couple of days.

This is the actual indention of the hole that we drilled.

CLARK: They drilled a shaft parallel to the one Jessica fell in.

ROBERTS: These guys were man handling this jack hammer sideways and drilling across there and just some of the reasons that it took so long.

Some 58 hours after we'd been drilling, everybody was pretty tired. And we'd been through a lot and been through a lot of disappointment.

All of a sudden, I'm listening on the phone. And Steve says Chief Roberts, got her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tony Clark in Midland, Texas. Tony?

CLARK: It looks like they're bringing her up right now. We're seeing a lot of activity.

ROBERTS: But when she actually came up above ground, I couldn't believe it.

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I had to lean around some of the people and just make sure. And I saw that one eye open and saw her moving and I knew that we had finally done it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can see the enthusiasm. You can hear the applause, as the -- Jessica is brought up. The smiles -- it has taken a long time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is swathed in bandages. And she's on a back brace and carried to the waiting ambulance to the cheers of the rescue workers and people that were surrounding her.

It was really quite a moment. And what happened after that is horns started honking throughout Midland. You knew that this was a city that was rejoicing at that moment.

ROBERTS: I don't know how she ever got out of there alive. Knowing what I know now. As a matter of fact, I'd probably say that that's one of the miracles that we've seen in our lifetime.

CLARK: Looking at Jessica now, she graduated from high school last year. Her parents have helped her keep a very low profile. But it's interesting that right now, she is around 18-years old. And that's the same age as her mom was at the time of this -- that she was trapped in the well.

I think the Jessica McClure story changed network news coverage to show that it can put viewers at the scene of a breaking news story from start to finish.

ROBERTS: (INAUDIBLE) we got her out. And it says "for Jessica, 10-16-87 with love from all of us."

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LIN: Be sure to join CNN tomorrow for a special anniversary broadcast, "Defining Moments: 25 stories that touched our lives." That's tomorrow evening at 8:00 Eastern.

We'll be right back.

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LIN: Well, from the arrest to the articles of impeachment and finally the resignation of a president, Watergate was a political cliffhanger that no one could have predicted. It changed history, but imagine what would be different if the Watergate scandal had just gone away.

Here's CNN's senor analyst Jeff Greenfield. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JEFF GREENFIELD, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST (voice-over): August 9, 1974, Watergate's final chapter. As the first president in American history to resign -- hold it, hold it. Imagine this never happened. Imagine that Nixon or John Mitchell or somebody had said, a burglary, at Democratic headquarters? Are you nuts?

Or suppose there had been no Deep Throat or any other source to guide Woodward and Bernstein down the money trail? Or that we'd never learned about those tapes?

Imagine, in other words, that Richard Nixon had served out his second term and done it without the cloud of scandal.

(on camera) The what-ifs are fascinating. They suggest, in fact, that everything from our politics to our journalism to our national culture might have been very, very different.

(voice-over) Start with our politics.

SPIRO AGNEW, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: I had not resign...

GREENFIELD: Vice President Agnew still would have been forced out of office in the fall of 1973. His misdeeds had to do with bribes, not Watergate.

But without Watergate, Nixon would not have had to reach out to Congress by picking House Republican leader Gerald Ford. He might well, have turned to one of his personal favorites, Democrat turned Republican John Connolly. And that, in turn, would have made Connolly a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 1976.

Also without Watergate, the appeal of a Washington outsider like, say, California Governor Ronald Reagan, might have been less compelling. And it's just possible that conservatism's most articulate spokesman might never have had a real shot at national office.

JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: My name is Jimmy Carter, and I'm running for president.

GREENFIELD: And speaking of outsiders, would a peanut farmer turned governor like Jimmy Carter, who boasted of his lack of Washington experience, really been a likely Democratic presidential nominee? Or would a Washington face, Senator Scoop Jackson, Congressman Mo Udall, even former vice president, Hubert Humphrey, have been more likely?

And a likely Democratic presidential nominee?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Opening the mail of American citizens for over...

GREENFIELD: What about public policy? After Nixon quit, Congress asserted its power over an imperial presidency and essentially refused to fund the Vietnam War any longer. In 1975, the communist north conquered the south, and the Khmer Rouge took over Cambodia. To this day some conservatives argue that, had Nixon not left, these events and the subsequent genocide in Cambodia might never have happened.

Another question: without the loss of Vietnam, would later enemies of the United States have come to believe that this nuclear superpower was a paper tiger which could be successfully attacked?

Other what-ifs. Would American journalism have developed quite as big an appetite for the political scandal? Would every political controversy have been labeled as another "gate"?

And would the press and the public have developed so strong a sense that government itself was a suspect institution? In 1964, one major survey showed more than three-fourths of Americans trusted the government to do what is right almost all or most of the time. A decade later a little more than a third did.

(on camera) Which leads to this final what if: without Watergate, which led to big Democratic gains in the Congress and to a Democratic White House takeover in '76, would the distrust in government grown so great that most Americans now accept the central conservative premise that government is often not the solution but the problem?

Jeff Greenfield, CNN, New York.

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LIN: And that is all the time we have for this evening. We're going to leave you tonight with your responses to our last call question. Given the same opportunity with the same damaging information, would you do today what Mark Felt did back then? Here's what you had to say. And have a great night.

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CALLER: I would most certainly do what Mark Felt did. It's a form of patriotism to see something that is wrong and try to correct it.

CALLER: Yes, I would because as Coleen Rowley said, integrity should trump loyalty.

CALLER: Of course I would do it because I believe in the freedom in the American people. And I do not believe in evil and oppression ruining the state of our nation.

CALLER: I think he's a coward that he waited to be 91 or whatever, and because he's dying, he's considered himself being a hero. I don't think so. He should have said it then and there 30 years ago.

CALLER: Yes, I would because political corruption is the biggest enemy of the freedom.

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