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New York Shinnocock Tribe Claims 3,600 Of Hamptons; New Commander In Afghanistan Takes Different Approach To Security

Aired June 19, 2005 - 16:00   ET


FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Hunting insurgents in Iraq: exclusive video from the seen of Hellfire missile strikes targeting terrorist hide-outs.
Also, another earthquake rattles nerves in California. What experts say about the sudden series of quakes and whether a major quake is imminent.

And later...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The cabin was full of water and I knew in my mind, we needed to get that door open.


WHITFIELD: An amazing story of survival after a helicopter crashes into New York's East River, the fight to live sets in.

Hello and welcome to CNN LIVE SUNDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield at CNN's global headquarters in Atlanta.

Those stories and more, but first a look at the headlines.

U.S. Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice says Israelis and Palestinians have agreed to demolish disputed homes in Gaza. The houses were built by Jewish settlers, but the settlers are pulling out of Gaza this summer. Rice is currently on the tour of the region and met with Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon today.

A Northwest Airlines flight from Mumbai, India diverted to the Tehran airport today. There was a false indication of a mechanical problem. The U.S. bans commercial flights to Iran since it has no formal relations with the Islamic nation. After negotiating for fuel, the flight resumed arriving in Amsterdam about seven hours late.

More Lebanese headed to the polls today in the country's final round of voting. It's the first election in Lebanon since the pullout of Syrian troops. And it's taken place in stages. Voters are deciding if opposition candidates can break the hold of Syrian backed candidates on parliament. Official results are not expected until tomorrow.

We begin in Iraq where simply, everyday activities are getting riskier and more dangerous. Walking on the street can lead to kidnapping, driving a car could mean hitting a roadside bomb and today, going to a restaurant was deadly. At least 23 people were killed today when a suicide bomber walked into a popular lunch cafe in Baghdad and blew himself up. The dead included 7 policemen, 36 people were wounded. Elsewhere in the capital, a car explode as an Iraqi police convoy was passing by. Three Iraqis were killed and 30 wounded.

Also in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, a deadly blast, a suicide car bomb exploded near an Iraqi army base killing at least two Iraqi soldiers and a civilian.

And U.S. Marines today said they killed 15 insurgents near Fallujah. The U.S. military says they were part of a group making and setting off roadside bombs. They were killed after they attacked the Marines with rocket propelled grenades and small arms fire.

The U.S. death toll is also growing in Iraq. A U.S. Marine has been killed in Operation Spear. It happened Saturday during a firefight in Karabila, a town in a lawless area near the Syrian border. Three marines were also wounded in the fighting. CNN's Jane Arraf is embedded with U.S. troops in the region and has this exclusive report.


JANE ARRAF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In this house, now burning behind me, Marines have moved in here yesterday say that they found documents that they've shown us which detail names, dates, rehearsals, assassination attempts and finally the killing of what appears to be a local government official last year.

This area has been thought to be a safe haven for insurgents and foreign fighters. Earlier this morning, the marines moving further into the city, set off a mine clearing line charge, 3,500 pounds of plastic explosives to breach the way forward into these streets.

Loud speakers this morning warned civilians that they should come out with white flags. Many of them did, about 100, the marines tell us. They were escorted out of the city, but others still remain. And there are insurgents and foreign fighters holed up still in the city, in which marines say, continues to be a stronghold, a safe haven for foreign fighters continuing to come through from Syria.

Jane Arraf, CNN, reporting from Karabila, Iraq.


WHITFIELD: Now to action in another U.S. war zone, Afghanistan. U.S. military officials say strikes by U.S. aircraft killed at least 15 insurgents in the southern part of that country. It happened after militants ambushed a U.S. patrol in Helmand Province. U.S. patrol troops responded with helicopter gunships and A-10 jets.

U.S. commanders say they expect the violence to rise in Afghanistan as the country's parliamentary elections approach. But the man in charge of coalition forces in that region has a unique perspective on how to win the war on terror. CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr met up with him in Afghanistan. It's a story you'll only see on CNN.


BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is no ordinary stroll.

LT. GEN. KARL EIKENBERRY, U.S. ARMY: Governor's view about security as we approach the election, and it was, I think, pretty consistent with what we've been talking about.

STARR: Lieutenant General Carl Eikenberry is walk the streets of Cardez with a provincial governor deep in Eastern Afghanistan. Before 9/11, this was a strong hold of Osama bin Laden. The people here are still deeply religious.

Eikenberry has no armored vest, no helmet, his personal security is assured by the local Afghans. He has been the senior U.S. commander in Afghanistan for just six weeks. Violence is, again, on the rise. And Eikenberry has decided to walk the streets of every major town. It is something no other U.S. general here has ever done.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And here is the bread.

STARR: Our first stop, a bread maker following years of tradition. To the delight of workers, Eikenberry tries his hand. The general buys some bread.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Have some bread, please.

STARR: We are all happy to sample.

Eikenberry and the governor talk about the September parliamentary elections. These local elections are seen as more important than last year's presidential contest.

EIKENBERRY: Barbara, you need to hear this. He said -- I asked him about this election. And he said the people are more excited, and I asked why? said he it's going to be more exciting because there's more competition, that's why you need to come back here.

STARR: The next group of shopkeepers smile when they learn the identified the tall man in the American military uniform. There are hand shakes all around. The men tell Eikenberry their cement business is good.

Then we spot a campaign poster.

EIKENBERRY: One candidate with two pictures. What -- OK, what does this say?

STARR: This candidate has the symbol of an elephant. Most Afghans can not read. If they want to vote for this man, they will look for an elephant picture on the ballot. A town elder pays his respects to the governor. But we are about to end this walk on an unexpected note. The general is serenaded. The little boys do not really know who this big man is, but the smiles and laughter are universal. One gentle moment for a senior U.S. commander in the global war on terror.

Barbara Starr, CNN, Afghanistan.


WHITFIELD: Here at home now, in Utah, the search is growing more desperate for an 11-year-old Boy Scout who has been missing now for two days. Brennan Hawkins was last seen at a Boy Scout's camp in Eastern Utah on Friday. The local sheriff says the search is being treated as a missing person's case and possibly a kidnapping case. Hawkins's father is pleading for help to find his son.


TOBY HAWKINS, BRENNAN HAWKINS' FATHER: Our greatest plea at this time -- and the way that we can find my boy -- is for anybody and everybody to come out and help. He's a bashful boy. And Brennan isn't the kind of boy that would go up and confess that he's lost and grab somebody by the shirt sleeve and say, hey, I'm lost.


WHITFIELD: Brennan Hawkins was last seen wearing a sweatshirt, shorts and tennis shoes. He vanished in the same vicinity where another Boy Scout disappeared last year. That boy was never found.

Tomorrow marks three weeks since Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba. Police searching for clues in her disappearance are now turning to the father of one of the suspects. CNN's Karl Penhaul is live in Palm Beach, Aruba with the latest developments -- Karl.

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Fredricka, police have been questioning one of the island's judges for the second day in a row today to see what he knows about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. That judge is one of the suspects' fathers.

It's Paul Van Der Sloot. He is the father of Joran Van Der Sloot. 17-years-old. He's the youngest of four suspects currently in custody.

Police haven't told us what line of inquiry they are pursuing with the judge, Paul Van der Sloot, but they do stress at this stage he is interviewed and questioned as a witness and not as a suspect in this case.

We saw him yesterday as he left the downtown police station in the Oranjestad, the capital of Aruba. He was back there again today for several hours. And he was accompanied by his wife Anita, who we understand was taking opportunity not only to accompany her husband, but to visit her son Joran, who was also, we understand, at the downtown police station being interviewed today. Now, late last night, Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth, attended a church service. As you mentioned, tonight will mark three weeks since Natalee went missing. And of course the Holloway family has been through a mixture of emotions since that disappearance. And of late, what we've noticed, is that Beth's emotions are going from sorrow, from anxiousness to anger at the pace of this investigation. She feels that suspects in this case are telling lies and she says she needs answers now -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And Karl, is that anxiousness that Natalee's mother is feeling, is that translating into her having any interaction with the investigators, with police authorities there at all?

PENHAUL: We do understand that the FBI agents on the ground are briefing Beth and the rest of the Holloway family once a day to update them on what is going on. But certainly they are trying their best to not to get in the way of the investigation. But certainly what the family does say is that now is the time for answers. They strongly feel that at least three of the four suspects currently in police custody know way more than they've been saying so far, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Karl Penhaul in Palm Beach, Aruba. Thanks for so much for that update.

The Hamptons on New York's Long Island, a summer playground for the rich. But what will happen if a Native American tribe laying claim to some of the pricey property wins its lawsuit. That story straight ahead.

PENHAUL: Also up next, another quake hits the west coast. It's one of five over the past seven days. Does it mean the big one could be imminent? I'll speak with a seismologist coming up next.

Plus this...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If time was of the essence and if the craft continued to sink, it would be increasingly difficult to get the doors open.


WHITFIELD: One man's story of survival.


WHITFIELD: A flurry of seismic activity today. A strong earthquake hit Japan's East Coast near Tokyo today. It was a magnitude 6.1.

A magnitude 5.0 quake rattled California early this morning. The epicenter was 300 miles west of San Francisco. It is the fifth substantial earthquake to hit the state since last Sunday, and there's been a rash of others all the way down to Chile along the so-called ring of fire. Well, some worry that the big one is on the way. Seismologist Steve Walter with the U.S. Geological Survey is on the telephone with us now. Steve, glad you could be with us.

STEVE WALTER, USGS (via telephone): My pleasure.

WHITFIELD: How do you explain all of this activity in such a short span of time?

WALTER: This is the "Ring of Fire." It's -- typically the Western Pacific sees it more, but they do happen along the Eastern Pacific too, explaining the earthquake in Chile and the activity we've seen here in California in the last week.

WHITFIELD: Well, why does it seem like there's been more earthquake activity, particularly for California lately.

WALTER: Well, the big reason is that 7.0 up off the north coast. That's the first major quake we had in California in the last six years almost. And the fact that it also triggered a tsunami warning, definitely got everybody's attention.

WHITFIELD: Is there any correlation between the major earthquake in Southeast Asia that spawned a tsunami, the earthquake -- the string of earthquakes in California recently, and now even today's earthquake recorded in just outside of Tokyo?

WALTER: Only that we're all sort of on the edges of the Pacific Plate. And the Pacific Plate is moving about as fast as your fingernails grow -- Four Centimeters a year. And it produces stresses along the plate boundaries. And that's the only connection here.

WHITFIELD: Earthquakes are tough to predict. However, can you kind of read of tea leaves as you look at this kind of seismic activity and say whether or not this is a precursor to the big one?

WALTER: No. Nothing in this activity lets us say that anything is more likely to happen now. But the fact is, we know earthquakes of this size are going to happen in Southern California and they're going to happen in the Bay Area. And these events, if they're of any value should be reminders that people need to be prepared for these earthquakes when they happen onshore.

For example, did you know that only about 10 percent of the households in California have disaster plans or have done anything to retrofit their homes? So it appears people aren't getting the message that they need to be prepared for a big earthquake in their neighborhood.

WHITFIELD: All right, you've given folks the warns and good advice, seismologist Steve Walter with the U.S. Geological Survey, thanks so much for being with us on the telephone.

WALTER: You betcha.

WHITFIELD: Well, in New Jersey, a popular ride in an Atlantic City's boardwalk is expected to remain closed as officials investigate an accident that sent one family to the hospital. Five people from Philadelphia were hurt yesterday while riding the Big Splash Log Flume it. The log the family was riding in went down the hill into a basin supposed to be filled with water but it was empty. The father was thrown from the ride and remains hospitalized now. The mother and three children suffered minor injuries.

The federal agency investigating Friday's helicopter crash into New York's East River says it may have some preliminary findings ready within a week. But the National Transportation Safety Board says a thorough investigation will take several months, and a final report is probably a year away. All eight people aboard the chopper were pulled from the river Friday. Here, one passenger recounts what happened.


LANCE WEAVER, CRASH SURVIVOR: We had just lifted off from the East Side Heliport. It was a normal, unremarkable aircraft. We headed for Denver, the aircraft started to dip. As it dipped, we continued to head up river, but it was clear we were losing altitude and losing altitude quickly. It was, for me, a bit of a surreal experience where you think momentarily this can't be happening.

They were able to get the helicopter to land in the river in one piece -- bring it down in a way that it was able to stay together. As it hit the water, it turned on its side and the cabin filled with water, and it started to sink.

I knew in my mind that we needed to get that door open. That if we -- that if time was of the essence and if the craft continued to sink, it would be increasingly difficult to get the doors open with the pressure of the water.

Rick Struthers and I were closest to the door on the upper side of the aircraft. We were desperately working on that door, trying to get it open. Rick was slightly behind me, he was able to reach through -- past my body and grab ahold of the door handle and release the latch.

At that point, I heard the pop of the door. The helicopter rocked slightly in a way that it allowed me to throw the whole weight of my body against that door. And as I threw the weight of my body against the door, the door sprung open. The helicopter was continuing to sink in the water.

We came up through the door. I came out first into the water, the currents were very, very strong in the river. Pulled me away from the helicopter.

As I was looking back, I saw Rick come out. Rick grabbed hold of the tail section of the helicopter. I was getting pulled further away at that point. Looked back and saw the other passengers. And at that point, as I was continuing to be pulled away in the river, I felt pretty good that everybody had gotten out. I was not clear about the pilots at that point, but felt clear that the passengers were out.


WHITFIELD: And in fact now, one of the helicopter pilots is still being hospitalized and is in serious condition after getting water in his lungs.

Well, it's some of the most valuable real estate in the country. And now a Native American tribe says it belongs to them. But is the battle over the Hamptons really about a bad land deal or the desire for a new casino?

And still to come, honoring those fathers who pay the ultimate price for their country.


WHITFIELD: Even if you've never summered in the Hamptons, you probably know the area has long been a playground for the rich and famous. But you may not know the Shinnecock Indians live right next door to the posh ocean front estates. And now tribe members are filing a massive lawsuit claiming the Hamptons as their land.

CNN's Alina Cho investigates.


ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Nina Griscom and Holly Haile Davis live less than two miles away from each other, yet they are worlds apart.

(on camera): So, this is it? This is beautiful out here.


CHO (voice-over): Griscom, a New York society fixture, has summered in Southampton for 25 years. She also owns a boutique here. Her neighbors are among the wealthiest and most famous in the world.


CHO: This is where Hail Davis lives and works. Her trading post doubles as a living room. A member of the Shinnecock Indian Tribe, Hail Davis, also a pastor, lives on the reservation, has been here for most of her life.

HOLLY HAILE DAVIS, SHINNECOCK INDIAN: We live in utter poverty. And I think that when the outside world looks at the Hamptons, it does not see the poverty. It is not fashionable, it is not attractive.

CHO: The Shinnecocks are fed up. On Wednesday, the 1300 member tribe filed a federal lawsuit claiming 3600 acres of prime Hampton's real estate is rightfully, historically theirs. Included in the claim, Southampton College and the Shinnecock Hills Golf Course, a four-time home to the U.S. Open.

The Indian tribe is not seeking to kick out homeowners. It wants $1.7 billion, the estimated value of land that includes pristine beaches and ocean front homes. The tribe is also asking for 150 years' worth of backrent and interest.

(on camera): The Shinnecocks' land claim is based on a 1,000 year lease the tribe signed with the town of Southampton back in 1703, in the mid 1800's, the state took back the land to build a railroad and gave Shinnecocks a reservation instead.

GRISCOM: I don't think anybody, including them, think that they have a shot. I don't think this is about efficacy of legal case. I think that this is just really about leverage. And we all have heard the casino word is coming up a lot.

CHO (voice-over): The Shinnecocks do want to build a casino in the Hamptons, but effort, so far, has been tied up in court. Haile Davis envisions a day when her people are no longer servants to the rich.

HAILE DAVIS: They seem to think that our level of poverty is acceptable. But feeding my children is not to revenge anyone. We are simply trying to build a healthy world for our children and pay our bills on our land.

CHO: Who has a right to the land is now a question for the court.

Alina Cho, CNN, Southampton, New York.


WHITFIELD: Well, they lost their lives in the rights for civil rights. As their accused murderer stands trial, we'll show you how a community is coming together to honor their sacrifice.

Plus, the ones left behind by racial violence, how do they get past the pain, anger and fear. I'll speak with one journalist who went in search for answers.



WHITFIELD: A look at our top stories.

A Northwest Airlines flight from India to Amsterdam made an unexpected and highly irregular stop today in Iran. The planes captain decided to land after getting what first appeared to be mechanical problem warning, that turned out to be false, but before learning, that the closest airport for an emergency landing was Tehran. U.S. law forbids domestic airlines from traveling to the Islamic Republic.

Fire crews in southern California hope to have an 1,800 brushfire fully contained within the next few hours. The fire started yesterday afternoon in high desert of San Bernardino County. And at one point the flames came within a hundred yards of ranch homes and trailers officials aren't sure what triggered that blaze.

The next presidential election is more than three years away, but one Democrat is in the running, sort of. Delaware Senator Joseph Biden says he intends to seek his party's nomination but will wait until the end of the year to make sure he has enough support before making a final decision.

In Mississippi, jurors in a high-profile murder trial have Fathers Day off, but testimony in the case resumes tomorrow. Edgar Ray Killen is charged with killing three civil rights workers 41 years ago. The prosecution has rested. The defense is expected to call one more witness. The men Killen is accused of causing the deaths were on their way to investigate the burning of an African-American church in June of 1964.

After being briefly detained by police. Their car was followed and forced off the road. They were then shot by a group of Ku Klux Klansmen. The case still haunts Philadelphia, and Mississippi. Today the town is holding a memorial service for the victims. The service included speakers across religious lines.


RABBI DEBRA KASSOFF: Today, we gather to honor and remember three men who gave their lives to the task that Rabbi Luria Chacoon (ph) repair of a broken world. What were they doing -- James Chaney (ph), Andrew Goodman, Michael Sqerner (ph), if not searching for the hidden sparks, the seeds of justice. Buried in the dust and ashes of the Mississippi summer.


WHITFIELD: The martyrs of the civil rights movement left behind families whose lives were changed forever in the aftermath. Far from getting community support, they often face condemnation and abuse. My next guest focuses on their lives in his book "Children of the Movement" John Blake is a reporter for the "Atlanta Journal Constitution" as well and he with us here now, and is also a Howard University alum. We went to school together. So good to see you.

Well this case really does exemplify the struggle that a lot of the survivors felt. Because not only did they feel some guilt and shame but they were ostracized and some cases forced to leave their home. Chaney's mother experienced that she testified about that?

JOHN BLAKE, AUTHOR, "CHILDREN OF THE MOVEMENT:" Right, one of the things I was stunned to discover when I did my book, "Children of the Movement." Is that the families and the survivors of the civil rights martyrs were treated like the criminals, not the suspected killers themselves. And James Earl Chaney's family's case for example, it wasn't enough for them to kill James Earl Chaney. They fire bombed his house; they continued to phone in death threats to his family.

His siblings had to flee Meridian, Mississippi, for their own safety. He had a daughter that was born just a week after he was murdered. They didn't know he was her father until she was 13 years old.

WHITFIELD: And that's remarkable. How is it that remained a family secret and why? What's the explanation for that, not sharing that with her until she was 13?

BLAKE: Two words, shame and fear. Fear, because the killers still lived in Meridian, and fear because it's something you didn't want to talk about. For example Angela told me the story, Angela is James Earl Chaney's daughter about going to a shopping mall near where she lived. She was with an elderly white male, who was a security guard. His name was Lawrence Rainy, he was a former Mississippi sheriff, he was one of the men who was wildly identified as her father's killer. She used to see him at a mall walking in front of her all the time. That story happened in many of the cases with these children of these civil rights martyrs I talked to.

WHITFIELD: And the experiences were different depending on what family member you're talking about. There, that's the story of the daughter, and then apparently Chaney's brother had a very different experience. What happened with him, then?

BLAKE: Well, the children had kind of a dismoral dilemma. How do you deal with the fact not only that your parents were murdered but also that the killers still walk around? How do you deal with that? Some felt you should forgive and move on with your life. Some were so angry that they had to vent anger somewhere. Ben Chaney, James Earl Chaney's younger brother said he was so angry at white people because of that happened to his brother, that he wanted to vent his hatred. He joined a Black Nationalist movement in the late 60s. He took a trip to Florida one day, and at the end of that trip, three white people were murdered. He was convicted in the murder of those three white men and he served 13 years in prison before he was pardoned in death row.

WHITFIELD: Wow, just tragedy after tragedy. So as you talk to a number of children and other family members of various civil rights leaders still living, some who have passed on, did you find a common threat of their experience? Some of the emotions that all of them seem to share, or is it really just -- covers the gamut.

BLAKE: It covers the gamut. Because I talk to children of these things, civil rights leaders like Dr. King and Malcolm X (ph) but also the children of notorious segregation is like Ross Bernet (ph), but the common threat I found is that a lot of them didn't know what happened to their parents. They had to find out about it through other people like Angela, James Earl Chaney's daughter she didn't know about her father until she got older. And even famous people like Malcolm X's daughter didn't know until she got older. So I felt that kind of threat and it really stunned me.

WHITFIELD: So there must have been some really I guess emotional struggles that a lot of those children of these people of legacies had to experience because they felt like why does everybody else knows so much about my mother, father, et cetera, and I don't?

BLAKE: Yes, and that is another thing that stunned me. I think part of the thing is that a lot of the civil rights activists were so brutalized by what they experienced. They were like soldiers returning from war. They kept the stories inside they didn't share with anybody. Like James Earl Chaney's family they didn't talk about it, it was so tragic thing. So the children upcoming, they had to find out about it through others.

WHITFIELD: So then how did you get to befriend a lot of the people who are so secretive and be able to hear these stories and then be able to encapsulate it into a book?

BLAKE: Because a lot of people didn't come to them and ask for their stories. A lot of people ignored them. We're just hearing about James Earl Chaney's family and we are seeing his mom and her crying on the stand, but people didn't care about our stories. Just by the fact someone approached them, I want to hear what happened to your family afterwards. How this whole thing affected you, I think that was a new question and it helped them to open up.

WHITFIELD: John Blake, reporter for the "Atlanta Journal Constitution" and also author of "Children of the Movement." Thanks so much and good to see you again.

BLAKE: Thank you, and you too.

WHITFIELD: All right, congratulations on the book.

BLAKE: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Well David Dennis had planned to travel through Mississippi with James Chainy, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. Faith intervened and he couldn't make the trip. Coming up at 5:00 Eastern David Dennis reflects on the terrible events 41 years ago that led to this current trial.

Right now on a golf course in North Carolina, one man is looking to make a different sort of history. How close is Retief Goosen to a repeat win at the U.S. Open? Does Tiger Woods still have a chance to fight his way to the top?

Plus golf, like life, can be a real bear, look closely in that picture. Not convinced? We'll show you more very wacky photos that even non-golf fans won't want to miss.


WHITFIELD: Lots of drama at the Pinehurst Resort in North Carolina today. Retief Goosen was poised to become a three-time U.S. Open champ going in today's final round, but he's been battling for the lead with Michael Campbell now. Tiger Woods remains optimistic about his chances; he has been closing the gap, moving up the leader board today as well.

Right now Michael Campbell is leading, and Retief Goosen is in second Tiger is tied for fifth.

From pros to duffers, you can see a variety of skill levels on the fairway, and a lot of humor as well. In the new book "Lost Balls," photographer and author Charles Lindsay takes an amusing look at some of the more wayward shots. He's joining us from New York to talk a little about it. Good to see you.


WHITFIELD: Well Charles, what inspired you to compile a book of all these great photos to tell the story of, there's an interesting story behind a lot of balls out on the course?

LINDSAY: My own dreadful game got me there I was getting in trouble and hitting balls into the woods and meeting wildlife and I thought there had to be something there.

WHITFIELD: Wow, and so you really have come across an incredible collection, let's get right to it, and start with the first picture, which is one that really pinpoints some humor involving this female golfer. Tell the story.

LINDSAY: This is the oldest ladies golf club in the world. It's in Scotland and those are Stonehenge period standing stones, Neolithic stones. The second hole of the course goes right between them. I contacted the ladies and they took me out and we played and photographed a bit and in fact one of them banged a ball off a stone and it came back at her. It was kind of a great day.

WHITFIELD: And that was purely by chance and you were posed to take the picture.

LINDSAY: Well I was out with them looking for photographs. It's what I do. But it happened.

WHITFIELD: All right, this next one really speaks of the symbolism, perhaps that there's the love of the game until death do us part.

LINDSAY: This is in Cornwall, there is a very old golf course that skirts the cemetery and found those shoes lying around and it sort -- it was the throwing in the towel kind of image for me and made a lot of sense.

WHITFIELD: All right, ladybug on the ball. Was it the ladybugs that kind of caught your attention on this one or just being in the rough?

LINDSAY: I was --

WHITFIELD: What a lot of golfers experience?

LINDSAY: I was in a place where looking for old golf balls, the gold ball hunters call it antiquing, that's about 100-year-old ball. The ladybugs were amazing it was an interesting spot.

WHITFIELD: And then there's the Preston, the bunker, there's got to be a great story about that one?

LINDSAY: Father Kevin that was in Belmoultin, Ireland, and after a round of golf I was in the pub, and the three priests were having Guinness at bar, and I inquired if they golfed, and indeed they did. So I got an appointment to play and photograph out there with them, and of course, they hammed it up. We had a lot of fun, they were very good sports.

WHITFIELD: And here is new meaning to the word crapshoot, huh?

LINDSAY: The dung bunker, that is a coarse off the west coast of Scotland, nine members, all greens have wire to keep the cattle and the sheep off. One of the fairways had 80 of the dung bunkers and about five of them had balls that people had not retrieved. And I kept returning when the light changed, and looking for that photograph, so that's true.

WHITFIELD: And a lot of golfers want to use all kinds of interesting things for target practice. But cactus, is that the story here?

LINDSAY: That's not target practice. Those are accidents. Either the golfer or the cactus is the wrong spot. Yes kind of funny.

WHITFIELD: All right --

LINDSAY: I'm interested in that place where the game of golf is take people into nature and encountering wildlife really at the margin, and so that was just classic, hard to beat.

WHITFIELD: It really is. Here's another classic shot. Because this really is a bear of a game sometimes, isn't it?

LINDSAY: That's at the Yellowstone Club near Yellowstone National Park. It's a spectacular course and elk and cougars and grizzly bears are frequently on the course, and those guys really are scared?

WHITFIELD: They look scared. They're taking off. But this next shot is kind of you know placid and serene. I'm sorry we skipped a shot of the buck that was out on the course. This one, OK, messing with the nature and sometimes it really does get risky and dangerous with this alligator?

LINDSAY: That was a friend of mine, an Englishman, a golfer, if he had his way, he would have left the golf ball where it was. You golf with a photographer you get in trouble. That's in South Carolina.

WHITFIELD: OK. And I think we've got at least one more shot there?

LINDSAY: That's Hawaii that is a golf course on the big island. It's really a golf course dropped in the middle of a jungle. It has supposedly the record for most golf balls lost by one person in one round, and that's 65.

WHITFIELD: Oh my gosh. Now, here's the shot with the buck.

LINDSAY: That's spyglass in Pebble Beach area, and the deer were in a rut. And I was working between this buck and his does. That's how that photograph happened.

WHITFIELD: And so what happened after the photo. Were there any interesting encounters with that buck once you put down the camera?

LINDSAY: They moved off. But I made sure that I had something as you see there in front, in between myself and the buck. He was false charging and snorting. The book was a lot of fun; I had great support from the people helping me and biologists that I talked to about where I could find wildlife.

WHITFIELD: Really fascinating pictures, and through it all, you respected nature as well. And that's the underlying lesson you are teaching people out there, too. Charles Lindsay, the book is "Lost balls." Thanks so much for joining us from New York.

LINDSAY: Thanks for having me Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Lots of fun.

Well a lost family, history is found. Up next, her father was killed in the Vietnam War, we'll show you how one daughter discovered the father she never knew.

And in the next hour, the latest from Utah where the search is on for a missing boy scout. CNN LIVE SUNDAY returns right after this.


WHITFIELD: On this Father's Day, a special tribute is held in Washington, D.C. to honor more than 20,000 fathers who made the ultimate sacrifice in Vietnam. The children of many of those men are visiting the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. CNN's Kareen Wynter profiles one woman who is just now learning about her father through his correspondences from war.


KAREEN WYNTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): A picture faded through time, of a family's last moments together in the spring of 1970. Army captain Wayne McConkey boarded a plane for Vietnam. His wife Linda and one-year-old daughter Layna by his side.

LAYNA MCCONKEY PELTIER, FATHER DIED IN VIETNAM: My mother was driving away from the airport with my uncle and she turned to him and said that's the last time I'll ever see him again.

WYNTER: Captain McConkey was killed just four months into his tour, after his plane was hit by enemy fire. It would be 20 years before Layna would discover her parents' rich past. As her mother lay dying of cancer.

MCCONKEY: I went home one day from the hospital to find her official papers and get everything in order for her will and underneath and on top of the will was all of these reel-to-reel tapes.

WYNTER: Tapes Captain McConkey sent home from Vietnam to his wife, now connecting a daughter with the father she never knew. While grappling with her mother's illness. Layna heard her father's voice for the first time.

CAPTAIN MCCONKEY: Seems kind of odd just sitting here, nobody around just talking into a microphone, watching these silly reels go around. But I know it will probably sound good to you anyway.

WYNTER: The couple's conversation grew personal over the months. CAPTAIN MCCONKEY: I love you, and it's been a really good five years, and I'm sure we'll have another happy five.

LINDA MCCONKEY, LANYA'S MOTHER: I miss you; I just can't tell you how much I miss you. And how much I need you. And how much you mean to me. And Lanya misses you, too. If you only knew.

CAPT. MCCONKEY: As I say, war is hell.

WYNTER: After her mother died, Lanya found something else, stacks of letters.

L. MCCONKEY: August 1 of 1970. Dear Linda and Lanya. Hi, and how are my two favorite girls?

WYNTER: Lanya McConkey is now a mother of two; Gracie is too young to understand these cherished items.

L. MCCONKEY: Losing your mother or father in war is an awful experience, but you know, I'm so proud of my dad for sacrificing the ultimate.

WYNTER: This Father's Day weekend, Layna and her family visited the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial Wall in Washington. A family tradition handed down from one mother to another.

Kareen Wynter, CNN, Washington.


WHITFIELD: Coming up next --

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, when you think -- just when you think brain surgery is hard, try fatherhood on for size. Now that is a job!

WHITFIELD: The cold hard facts of being a new parent. Our own Sanjay Gupta turns to his co-workers for tips on becoming a new dad. That's straight ahead when CNN LIVE SUNDAY continues right after this.


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