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Countdown Begins To Israel/Hezbollah Ceasefire; Israelis Await Hezbollah Compliance

Aired August 13, 2006 - 16:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hezbollah will no longer be in south Lebanon on the border being able to start, to initiate the sort of crises we are in now, today.

MELISSA LONG, CNN HOST: Nine hours away from a ceasefire and counting, but more than 250 rockets hilt Israel today, the most, yet.

And Beirut is heavily bombed in a last-ditch effort to knock out Hezbollah strong holds. Will the ceasefire happen and will it hold?

Hello and welcome to CNN LIVE SUNDAY. I am Melissa Long, in today for Fredricka Whitfield. Let's get started with a quick look at what's happening, right now, in the news.

Nine hours and counting to the planned Middle East cease-fire. Today the Israeli cabinet approved a U.N.-backed plan to stop the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, now in its 33rd day; the latest on the peace initiative in one minute.

But the fighting rages on, despite overtures toward peace, the Beirut area continues to see air strikes from the Israeli military. The latest big ones coming just four hours ago.

Hezbollah has been firing at Israel hitting the port city of Haifa, again, fighters launched more than 250 rockets into Israel today. Live reports from Beirut and Jerusalem are still ahead.

It was three hours ago the TSA released revised carry-on rules for air travelers. Among the items now allowed in the plane's cabin, baby food, small amounts of nonprescription medicine, glucose gel for diabetics, and solid lipsticks. But at all security checkpoints, all passengers must now remove their shoes and have them X-rayed.

Now scenes of devastation in southeast China after a super typhoon battered the coast on Friday. State media reports at least 134 people were killed and many others are still missing. The storms' winds reached 170 miles per hour, making it the strongest typhoon to hit China in decades.

And Cuban leader Fidel Castro turns 80 today. To mark the occasion, the communist youth newspaper published the first photos of Castro since his surgery a couple of weeks ago. Also, today, Castro's brother Raul made his first appearance since the surgery. He assumed provisional leadership of Cuba as Fidel recuperates. It is just after 4 o'clock in the afternoon on the East Coast. Here's what we know on the Middle East crisis. Again, less than nine hours away from that planned ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah militants. With that looming, the fighting seems to have intensified with both sides trading heavy fire today.

Meantime, Hezbollah continues to resist disarming its militia in southern Lebanon, a key part of the U.N. peace plan. Hezbollah's stance has led to signs of disarray with the Lebanese government. Yesterday the cabinet unanimously supported the U.N. ceasefire resolution. Today it postponed a meeting amid reported divisions over Hezbollah's future. That news came as more Israeli air strikes leveled parts of the Lebanese capital. Beirut Bureau Chief Brent Sadler joins us now live with more -- Brent.

BRENT SADLER, CNN CORRESPONDENT, CNN LIVE SUNDAY: Thanks, Melissa.

As you say, a day of intense fighting. You wouldn't think there were just nine hours away from that ceasefire, that cessation of hostilities, the truce that everybody expects. It feels very much we're in the thick of war today. Take you back, earlier, it started with a very heavy bombardment of the southern suburbs of Beirut.

As part of that bombing, this morning, a block of eight buildings were toppled as a result of the power of those explosives. Latest report we have, at least 10 dead, 20 people injured, as a result of the multiple strikes on the Hezbollah stronghold in the southern suburbs. Those attacks, Melissa, have been going on and off throughout this day. I heard some more explosions not long before coming on air.

Switch our attention south, to Tyre, that port city again, and more Israeli air strikes around that city, targeting a number of gas stations, and making it virtually impossible for anybody, but Israel's military and the Hezbollah fighters to continue their deadlock in terms of the conflict down there.

Elsewhere, at the political level, the Lebanese cabinet postponed a crucial meeting; a meeting that was set up to discuss how the peace plan would be implemented on the ground. But two Hezbollah ministers in that meeting, still offering reservations still a concern that Hezbollah is not ready to lay down its weapons south of the Litani, where all the fighting is.

That, of course, is a key condition of the U.N. brokered truce deal. And if that situation stands, in effect, it would make it impossible, Melissa, for international troops to deploy, impossible also, for Lebanese army troops to be deployed.

There's a lot of very high-level contacts going on, with world leaders, and the Lebanese authorities, in this run-up to that truce starting on Monday morning, local time - Melissa.

LONG: Brent Sadler, live from the Lebanese capitol.

Brent, thank you. Now, Hezbollah has responded in kind to the Israeli military's efforts. The group fired at least 250 rockets into northern Israel. The most it's launched in one day. Once again, Israel's third largest city is in the militant's sites. Here's what it looked like in Haifa today, after the rockets rained down. All of this preceding the planned ceasefire, set to take effect, again, in less than nine hours. CNN's Paula Hancocks has the view from Jerusalem.

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PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT, CNN LIVE SUNDAY (voice over): The Israeli military calls this a cleansing of southern Lebanon, in preparation for the arrival of Lebanese and international troops. Targeting Hezbollah at the same time, Israeli politicians accept the U.N. Resolution and a cease-fire.

According to the United Nations, the guns will fall silent Monday morning, 8:00 a.m. Israel time. Until then, both sides seem intent on inflicting as much damage on each other as possible.

MARK REGEV, ISRAELI FM SPOKESMAN: Until then the conflict continues, Hezbollah continues to rocket Israeli cities and townships, and we are, of course trying to hit Hezbollah positions in Lebanon to prevent those attacks.

HANCOCKS: Those attacks continued unabated Sunday. Hezbollah proving, once again, its rocket launching capabilities are intact. More than 250 rockets hit northern Israel, more than any other day since this conflict began, at least one of them deadly.

Even after the ceasefire, both Hezbollah and Israel say they reserve the right to defend them selves. Both Hezbollah and Israel are likely to stay in southern Lebanon.

TZIPI LIVNI, ISRAELI FOREIGN MINISTER (through translator): It was decided and accepted by the Security Council that there would not be a situation in which Israel would be as to withdraw its forces creating a vacuum.

HANCOCKS: The longer the enemies are on the same turf the more potential there is for further clashes. The U.N. believes it could take a week to 10 days before the first of its troops can be deployed.

(On camera): There is cynicism on both sides as to whether peace on paper can actually be translated into peace on the ground. Many Israelis believe that the fight against Hezbollah has just been put off for another day. Paula Hancocks, CNN, Jerusalem.

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LONG: Coming up a little bit later, we will be talking to Israeli diplomat Arye Mekel, to gauge whether the ceasefire is likely to take effect, and its chances of success.

Take a look at the bottom of your television screen, in the right-hand corner of the screen. We that have countdown clock for you, till the ceasefire. We will keep that clock up until 1:00 a.m. Eastern Standard Time, that is when the ceasefire is due to go into effect.

New developments we want to share with you in the alleged terror plot to blow up transatlantic flights. Here's what we know, in published reports the White House denies pressuring British police to move up their timetable and make quick arrests. That, in response to an NBC News report that there was a dispute between American and British authorities about when to move in.

NBC says British police wanted to follow the suspects for another week, while the U.S. wanted to move in immediately. Meantime, the TSA is tweaking its rules and restrictions for air travelers, the changes are minor. But they will affect all flights, all passengers. We have a live report coming up on the changes in about 30 minutes.

Across the pond, British police pursuing more leads in the terror probe. Flights are still being canceled at London's Heathrow Airport. Tempers are fraying as air travelers contend with long lines. Richard Quest has more.

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RICHARD QUEST, CNN CORRESPONDENT, CNN LIVE SUNDAY (voice over): With the British aviation world still in something approaching crisis and flights being canceled and delayed, it was left to the British interior minister, or Home secretary to give further details about why the authorities here decided to take such drastic action and so quickly.

Doctor John Reid says there has been a crisis and feared they were facing an imminent threat. It was a threat, he went on to point out, that had not yet disappeared, despite the fact more than 23 people had been arrested.

JOHN REID, HOME SECRETARY, BRITAIN: There could be others out there, perhaps people we don't know, perhaps people who are involved in other plots. So the threat of a terror attack in the United Kingdom is still very substantial. Because it was imminent last week, it moved up from a highly likely threat, that's severe, to critical, because it looked imminent.

QUEST (on camera): If the authorities are using this as some sort of justification for the measures they have just introduced, travelers have to bear the brunt. Many airlines canceled up to 30 percent of their schedules, and on Monday a further 20 percent are expected to be delayed or canceled.

It's a situation that most people accept as unsustainable for any length of time. Travelers are having to wait hours before they can check in. They have having to check in all their handbag and even then there's no guarantee they will get on the plane. The airport authority is saying it's continuing to do its very best, but these are unprecedented times, with unique circumstances.

That's small comfort for families trying to get away on summer their holidays, many of whom are having to wait five, six or seven hours before leaving British airports or the business travelers, who are having to check in documents and laptops, fearing they may never see them, again. Richard Quest, CNN, London's Heathrow Airport.

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LONG: And all day on Monday, CNN will show you how America is most vulnerable to terrorist attacks, no matter what time you tune in, you will get specific and essential insight on where the threats are, what you request do to stay safe, keep your loved ones safe, and what the government is doing about it. "Target USA", all day, on Monday, only on CNN.

Some changes to know about if you happen to be getting on a plane tonight, or tomorrow. America's security czar tweaks the carry-on rules. We'll have a live report coming up from the White House.

Plus, the clock ticks closer to the ceasefire deadline. But furious fighting continues in the Middle East. We will talk to an Israeli ambassador in the U.S. on the possibilities of peace.

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LONG: Good afternoon, here's what we know about the Middle East crisis. The Israeli cabinet approved the U.N. resolution, which calls for a cessation of hostiles. If things go according to plans, Israel and Hezbollah will halt attacks tomorrow. But a new surge in fighting today is raising questions.

The Lebanese cabinet delays a scheduled meeting on a proposed troop deployment to southern Lebanon. There are reports of disagreements about the future of Hezbollah.

And fierce fighting continues in southern Lebanon. Israel says it's lost five soldiers today, with 25 wounded.

Now, they may have agreed to a ceasefire, but Israel and Hezbollah are not finished, yet. Israel says it was struck today by 250 rockets, at least one Israeli was killed. At the same time, Israeli war planes struck several towns in southern Lebanon, among them, Beirut's southern suburbs. Confirmed deaths stand at 15, but that number is expected to rise. This was the reaction in the Lebanese government:

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NOUHAD MAHMOUD, LEBANESE REP. TO U.N.: I don't understand why do we need this grand finale for this bloody campaign of one month? I mean, what they think they will achieve in 24 hours, or 48 hours, which they couldn't achieve in one month?

Now it is the moment of truth for everyone. And we will see who will abide by the Security Council resolutions, and who will not. So we have this week as very crucial and we hope that things go the way we would like it to go.

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LONG: Joining us now Israel's counsel general in New York, Arye Mekel.

Thank you so much for your time, we appreciate it.

ARYE MEKEL, ISRAELI CONSUL GENERAL, N.Y.: Thank you, Melissa.

LONG: Let's talk about the comments we shared from the Ambassador Nouhad Mahmoud, about the grand finale, as he called it, of attacks. What are your thoughts on that statement?

MEKEL: Well, I agree. We will soon know who will abide. I know Israel will abide tonight, Eastern Central Time, we will stop the offensive activities, but we'll see if Hezbollah continues to attack our soldiers, or our citizens, we will react. So it's basically the ball is in their court.

LONG: What is the purpose of today's attacks, from your perspective?

MEKEL: What has happened today? You know, unfortunately, Hezbollah is trying to unleash whatever they may still have there. And they continue to be what they were, a terrorist organization that attacks civilians.

I can only hope -- I am trying to be optimistic. I would like to hope that tomorrow they will abide with the ceasefire and the Lebanese government will send down its troops to the south as the Security Council has demanded. And if all this starts to happen hopefully we will see the light at the end of the tunnel.

LONG: Mr. Mekel, considering today is day 33, Israel Defense Forces are targeting today, at this point, have you done enough therefore to damage Hezbollah and its arsenal?

MEKEL: Oh, yes, I think we have seen a strong victory for Israel. We have said all along, we don't want to see Hezbollah anywhere near our borders. Well, they are not there. We want to reduce their power significantly. We have destroyed most of their missiles, killed maybe half of their fighters.

We will have the Lebanese army by the border. We will have a robust, empowered international force. So, I think, by and large we have achieved our goals. We need to get our soldiers back. I think we will see a very interesting phenomena. I think the Lebanese people themselves, have now realized they have a cancer in their body, which must be moved.

I think we will see a decrease in Hezbollah's power, not just militarily, which we have caused, but also politically. I think the Lebanese understand either they destroy Hezbollah or Hezbollah will destroy them.

LONG: We're almost out of time here, I want to get a couple quick questions in, if you could speak one-on-one to a counterpart in Lebanon what point would you want to drive home?

MEKEL: I would tell him, listen, we have no dispute with you guys, we don't want your territory, you don't want ours. There is no reason why we shouldn't live in peace like Israel and Jordan, Israel and Egypt. Let's do it. We can do it together.

LONG: Mr. Mekel, in your heart, you said earlier you were optimistic. You are optimistic about this resolution and about the possibility of peace?

MEKEL: The resolution is good. I am optimistic. I think within a short time we will be surprised how weak Hezbollah will become, not just militarily, we have taken care of that. But also politically because of a growing understanding in Lebanon that they don't serve the Lebanese interests, they are very dangerous to the Lebanese interests.

LONG: Arye Mekel, Israel's Consul General, in New York. Thank you so much for your time this evening, Sir. We appreciate it.

MEKEL: Thank you, Melissa.

LONG: And a programming note, tonight at 9:00 Eastern Time on "Larry King Live" reports from all around the world. Will the peace plan for Israel and Lebanon stick? Is America safe from international terror. The show includes Christian Amanpour live from London on the alleged plot to bomb trans-Atlantic passenger planes. "Larry King Live" tonight at 9:00 Eastern, only on CNN television.

It's been two weeks now since Fidel Castro, or his brother Raul, has been seen in public. And today we see both for the first time since the Cuban leader's surgery. That story is coming up.

Take a good look at this 89-year-old woman. You don't want to tangle with her as one burglar found out the hard way. You should see the other guy.

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LONG: Thanks for joining us for CNN LIVE SUNDAY.

Fidel Castro, did you know he turns 80 today? A state-run newspaper released the first photographs of the Cuban leader since he underwent intestinal surgery a couple of weeks ago. He handed over power to his younger brother, Raul Castro, seen here greeting visiting Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. CNN's Morgan Neill joins us now by phone from Havana.

And, Morgan, we had two surprises today, both the photographs and that surprise appearance.

MORGAN NEILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT, CNN LIVE SUNDAY: That's right, Melissa. It's been a real day of surprises on Fidel Castro's 80th birthday here.

First, as you say, in today's editions of the state-run newspaper, "Hoven Reveldi" (ph), or "Rebel Youth", we see the first pictures of President Fidel Castro that we've seen since we ceded power two weeks ago due to surgery.

In the picture, he's not wearing his olive drab fatigues, rather we're looking at him in a red and white track suit. In one of the pictures we see him reading Saturday's paper as if to prove when the photo was taken. In another photos he's seen talking on the telephone.

The second surprise of the day was the first public appearance of acting President Raul Castro since he assumed power two weeks ago. Cuban television broadcast images of the 75-year-old long-time defense minister, greeting Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez at Havana's airport around noon today. Chavez says he's in town to celebrate Fidel Castro's birthday.

So, as you mentioned, while Castro asked Cubans to put off celebrations of his birthday until December, it looks like both he and his brother are taking advantage of the day here today to let everyone know they are still in charge -- Melissa.

LONG: Morgan, along with the photographs, did we learn anything more about Fidel Castro's health or prognosis?

NEILL: What he tells us in a message that he sent in the newspaper was his condition is better, but at the same time, that we should not expect a quick recovery. And we should be prepared for what he calls adverse conditions. So a bit of a warning there, saying he is doing better. But, again, warning not to be overconfident. This is a difficult procedure he's gone through.

LONG: CNN's Morgan Neill, live on the line from Havana. Morgan, thank you.

Now some of the other stories we want to share with you making news around America.

Three men from Texas are being held in Michigan on terror related charges. They were arrested early Friday after buying 80 untraceable cell phones at a Wal-Mart in Caro, Michigan. Police found 1,000 phones in their rented van. Prosecutors said Michigan's Mackinac Bridge may have been the target. Bond for the two brothers and a cousin was set at yesterday at $750,000.

In a related case in Ohio, two young men of Middle Eastern decent, face a preliminary hearing Tuesday on terror-related charges. They, too, were arrested after buying large numbers of untraceable cell phones.

A couple of hours from now an official with the Department of Homeland Security will provide a federal perspective to these and other developments in the war on terror.

In Charlotte, North Carolina, 50 players from 11 cities are competing for a spot on the U.S. Homeless Soccer Team. The idea was hatched as part of an urban youth ministry and it really caught on. So much so that the U.S. team will compete in Scotland for the Fourth Annual Homeless World Cup Championship.

And in Durham, North Carolina, police say a burglar got more than he bargained for when he broke into a home owned by 89-year-old Marie Miller. Miller said she knocked that man around after he knocked her to the ground. She kicked and clawed until he gave up. He got away with her car, cell phone, and a few scratches.

As you see, she's doing OK. A little bit bruised up there.

Coming up, there is new information you need to know if you are heading to the airport any time soon.

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: At the White House, those refinements will make life easier for some travelers, and tougher for others.

GARY NURENBERG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And should American airports even consider profiling in security lines? That story coming up, too.

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MELISSA LONG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The countdown continues, eight and a half hours to go before a Mid East cease-fire goes into effect. In the run-up fighting has raged. Beirut drew more heavy air strikes from the Israeli military today. The latest attacks coming just hours ago.

Hezbollah has been firing back at Israel hitting the port city of Haifa again today. The group launched more than 250 rockets into Israel. A live report from the region is coming up.

Some new rules air travelers need to know. Today the federal government eased new rules on carry-on items. Solid lipstick and baby food will now be allowed on board. Small doses of liquid medicine also will be OK. But all aerosols are banned.

Here is what many Cubans have been waiting to see: Fidel Castro -- photographs of the communist leader were released today on his 80th birthday. They are the first pictures of Castro since his abdominal surgery two weeks ago. Castro says he is feeling great but faces a tough recovery.

Scenes of devastation to show you from southeast China after a super typhoon battered the coast on Friday. State media reports at least 134 people were killed with many others still missing. The storms winds reached 170 miles per hour, making it the strongest typhoon to hit China in decades.

A truce in the Middle East is imminent. Here's what we know right now, Israel says it will stop offensive attacks in Lebanon in eight- and-a-half hours. The Israeli cabinet officially approved a U.N. peace resolution today. But on the Lebanese side, one potential sticking point: Two Hezbollah members of the Lebanese cabinet say their militia don't want to disarm south of the Litani River, an area the U.N. resolution stipulates must be stabilized and demilitarized while the peace process moves forward. The fighting intensifies: Israeli launched a barrage of heavy strikes in Lebanon, and Hezbollah fired 250 rockets into northern Israel. At least 40 of them landed in cities.

This weekend has been an especially deadly one for the Israeli forces. CNN's international correspondent Matthew Chance joins us now from northern Israel.

Matthew.

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Melissa, thank you very much. As the deadline approaches for the cease-fire to be actually put into force, you can see behind me -- and I will take a step out of the way for the moment -- behind me there are hundreds of Israeli troops being redeployed out of south Lebanon back into Israel. These troops we are seeing marching past us now have been inside south Lebanon for about a week, they have been engaged in close combat along with thousands of other Israeli troops inside south Lebanon with Hezbollah fighters. Some of them have suffered casualties as well.

But let me tell you of the ones I have spoken to so far, they are saying they are very relieved to be coming out. That's the overriding sense we get when we talk to the soldiers here in northern Israel about the prospect of a cease-fire coming into force in this area at 8:00 in the morning local time. That's about in about 12, 13 hours from now. And so people here very happy that this has happened although there's some debate over whether Israel has achieved its objectives. Certainly it has caused a good deal of pain inside Lebanon and inflicted a good deal of damage to Hezbollah, its infrastructure, their ability to strike, but at no point do they appear to have been able to deter Hezbollah's capability or prevent Hezbollah's capability from actually striking at towns and cities across Israel.

And indeed even in these final hours before the cease-fire takes force, Hezbollah has been really stepping up its activities as well, firing more than 250 rockets into towns and cities across northern Israel. So the fighting really is going on right up until the last minute.

Melissa.

LONG: Matthew Chance live from northern Israel, Matthew thank you.

Back in this country, more changes. More changes for air travelers. The TSA is tweaking it's restrictions about what passengers can and cannot take on board. Kathleen Koch is live at the White House with all the details you need.

Kathleen.

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What the government basically is trying to do here is address the new threat of liquid explosives, but at the same time meet the real needs of passengers. So the first change is a tightening of security. Many people when they go through security now, they remove their shoes, they have been screened. Starting today each and every passenger going on every aircraft in the United States will have to take off those shoes and have them screened. Some of the other measures include the ban on liquids and solids being carried onto planes, this includes low blood sugar treatments including glucose for diabetics will now be permitted. Also now allowed small doses of liquid medications like cough syrup, but just up to four ounces.

Then there is a clarification on items that have prompted some confusion, Aerosols are banned, but baby food and solid lipsticks are now allowed to be carried on board aircraft. Some in recent days have critised the government for not coming up with technology to detect liquid explosives, putting passengers through all this headache and frustration. But Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff today explained there is a delicate balance to be achieved when coming up with such a machine.

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MICHAEL CHERTOFF, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: The difficulty is not only can we detect the explosive. The difficulty is what do we do with explosives, made out of very common chemicals, chemicals that almost everybody has with their dry-cleaning or their cosmetics. We don't want a system that has so many false positives that we have hours and hours waiting in-line at the airport because we would have to open every bottle and every cosmetics case. So the challenger here is not just technology, but it is finding a technology that will fit with our system and not create delays and impediments for the air traveler.

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KOCH: Secretary Chertoff also said today that though the investigation is ongoing so far there has been no evidence found proving that the terror plot extended into the United States.

Melissa.

LONG: Kathleen, the day the news of the terror plot broke, a lot of passengers were encouraged to according to Websites for the airlines to come as long three hours in advance. Do we know whether or not that time has changed?

KOCH: For domestic flights, the time frame is two hours right now. They are sticking with that and hoping that some of these new measures will speed things along but they just encourage people to come as early as you can and bring an abundance of patients.

LONG: And also have we learned anything more today about the elevated level and when that could potentially go down?

KOCH: At this point, especially in particular when it comes to the red level, the highest threat alert level, when it comes to the U.S. flights to and from Great Britain, Secretary Chertoff says we are keeping that at red as long as Great Britain does, so we are staying in sequence with them and so that is not going to change until they change it. LONG: Kathleen Koch live in Washington at the White House, thank you Kathleen.

Now as millions of frustrated airline passengers stood in long lines this week. Many were asking if the universal screening process is the best way to prevent terror attacked. Should some passengers get extra scrutiny and should some be allowed to skip the process completely. Gary Nurenberg joins us now live from Washington with more.

Gary.

GARY NURENBERG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well Melissa let me give you an example. Why make our members who have undergone background checks anyway before they could fly, why make them go through security check points several times a day. Why put an elderly invalid through the same scrutiny as a healthy 20-year-old. There are alternatives. Some of them controversial.

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NURENBERG (voice over): With limits resources to spend on aviation security, does it make sense for everyone to undergo the same scrutiny at airport checkpoints?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We should be much more selective in who we screen. We have to get past political correctness.

NURENBERG: He says terrorist attacks like 9/11 should motivate screening guidelines.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was middle easterners and people of Arab decent or Muslims. Keep that in mind.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would not use the excuse of shortage of resources and justify harassing people because of their race or because of their religion.

NURENBERG: The executive director of the council on American Islamic relations says King's approach is dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Timothy McVeigh who is white, with a crew cut was not suspected when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma. So it takes one mistake to miss someone and just to have a massive loss of civilian life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Judging people by their nationality or ethnicity is not a good idea. We have better ways to judge that, is their behavior and their background.

NURENBERG: Rafi Ron ran security at Tel Aviv's Airport. Israeli screeners question passengers and watch their conduct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's all about using behavior as indicators that may lead you to a level of questioning that would help you blow up a cover story. NURENBERG: An approach being tried at some American airports.

MICHAEL CHERTOFF, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: Those are the tactics that we in the last year have now started to roll out in our own procedures.

NURENBERG: A terrorist about to blow himself up is under enormous pressure and may act strangely. It may not be screeners alone who are looking for the signs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have proven that law enforcement people and airport employees are extremely good at detecting suspicious behavior. We are not trying to do that. We are trying to use the right tools and skills.

NURENBERG: It's an evolution at American airports security, one that could shorten your time and security lines, someday.

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NURENBERG: Security experts say one key is to keep the terrorist guessing, there is no single answer that will continue to work in an ever-changing world. Which it why Melissa the screening process will continue to evolve.

LONG: Gary Nurenberg, thank you. Still to come on CNN LIVE SUNDAY, it is a pandemic that has left an estimated 12 million orphans in Africa. When we come back unlikely heroes in the AIDS battle. Grandmothers tired of bearing their children and their children's children and how they can still have some hope.

Now a glimpse at technology, new technological advances, the latest in cell phones with CNN's Daniel Sieberg.

DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: If you love cell phones, the good news is there seems to be a new one on the market pretty much every week. Joining us to talk about some of the latest ones out there is Brian Cooley, editor at large with CNET. So now we have an array of three silver devices. The first one, the razor, its been around for a while but they have upgraded it.

BRIAN COOLEY, CNET: Our old pal the razor is still perhaps the most stylish phone on the market. It looks the same, but does some different things. High-speed networking, which means it, can download music and video through the v-cast service and it also has a 1.3-mega pixels camera now, so it does decent photographs not silly ones. It has blue tooth for your headset. So they have upgraded it but technically under the hood it's looks the same.

SIEBERG: All right. It looks pretty cool. The next one, different look, a little bit bulkier but does more in terms of office management.

COOLEY: This is called the Motorola Cue; it also has a 1.3 mega pixel camera. It runs a version of windows, a smart phone version of windows operating system. That's different than a palm device, of course. Other than that, it's web, it's e-mail, it's PDA, calendar, all that same stuff, again also has broadband through Verizon.

SIEBERG: All right. And lastly here, obviously what we can talk about with this one it is small.

COOLEY: It's small. This one happens to run on Cingular, you can see it has a tiny flip-up keyboard and monitor right above there, it's a typical flip phone, just tiny. I can put a finger up there and cover four or five buttons without trying. You have to dial carefully on this one, you are not sure if your want to dial it or stick it on a necklace and where it, $120 bucks with activation, you will pay for the smallness on this one.

SEIBERG: Just be careful not to lose it.

COOLEY: Yes.

SEIBERG: All right. Brian Cooley, editor at large ant CNET. Thanks for helping us out.

COOLEY: You are welcome.

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LONG: Experts on HIV and AIDS are gathering in Toronto, Canada all this week for the International AIDS Conference. Among them hundreds of grandmothers, they are also on the front lines of the battle caring for children who have lost their parents to the disease and children who are themselves infected. Earlier I spoke with Steven Lewis he is the U.N. special envoy for HIV and AIDS in Africa. And he has also started a foundation that funds local efforts and supports the AIDS grandmothers.

Lets start with Steven Lewis an activist, also the U.N. special envoy for HIV and AIDS in Africa. I want to talk to you first Steven, because you are known as one of the main activists and you are so passionate about this subject. Why did you create this foundation and why the focus on grandmothers likes Alicia?

STEVEN LEWIS, It's impossible not to be passionate about the subject of AIDS because it's devastating the continent of Africa and particularly the women of Africa. Where it's felt most is amongst the grandmothers who are looking after orphan grandchildren after having buried their own children. It's one of those traumas of life with which history never had adequate preparation, so we thought we would bring the African grandmothers together and bring Canadian grandmothers to meet with them. It's been astonishing moment in time, the grandmothers really bonded.

LONG: Again you are meeting as part of the International AIDS Conference. I want to now hear from one of the grandmothers. That's Alicia, she is resilient and she is heroic, as you have explained. Ali shah, tell me about your challenges. I know you have eight children, four have passed away, two from AIDS and now you are busy raising grandchildren and great grand children. Tell me about your experience. ALICIA MDAKA, GAPA: I am Alicia, 56 years old from Capetown. I am a committee member. I am a group leader in GAPA. GAPA whom I met when I was after my children dying. Those were bad times to me; they were times of sorrow, thinking of killing myself. Thinking of just not to be alive. But in the meantime, I some (INAUDIBLE) 1999, I lost my daughter of HIV and AIDS. In 2000, it was my granddaughter. And then 2001, (INAUDIBLE) all my belongs and everything.

LONG: What is your life like now caring for your grandchildren and your great grandchildren?

MDAKA: With the GAPA now and the help of Steven Lewis it's getting better and easier, and meeting other grannies, so we are a group of grannies, we are counseling each other, comforting each other, helping each other, teaching each other, about how to look after the sick children.

LONG: Alicia GAPA is the organization Grandmothers Against Poverty and AIDS, which is an organization you founded. Steven I want to talk about that organization and talk about your foundation and get a better understanding on the fact that Alicia's story is not unique, unfortunately. Put it into perspective just how expansive this problem is.

LEWIS: I think Alicia really represents tens of thousand; hundreds of thousands, and soon it will be millions of grandmothers looking after orphan grandchildren, grandmothers traumatized, orphan grandchildren traumatized. It's a holocaust that's occurring in parts of southern Africa.

LONG: Steven thank you so much, Steven Lewis of a little foundation with great power and great passion. And Alicia Mdaka thank you so much for your time.

If you would like to donate money to the foundation led by Steven Lewis or just want to get involved and read more log on to the Website right there, STEPHENLEWISFOUNDATION.org.

This story just in to CNN, I want to bring you these pictures from Lancaster, California, a remote part outside of Los Angeles, KTTV bringing in these pictures into CNN in Atlanta. We've been told this is a wildfire. Not sure whether or not how many fire crews are on the scene but we have received word that horses are currently trapped. As we get more information it will become available, there you see, six, eight horses there, stuck in their coral, trying to get out and trying to get away from the flames which seem to be just a few yards away. KTTV bringing us these pictures live from Lancaster, California as we get more information on this wild fire, we will bring it to you, and bring you up to date on the horses, as well.

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CAROL LIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A terrific story by Susan Candiotti about a woman who is demonstrating, exercising her free speech rights. She got in an altercation with the police on the scene and at one point they shot her in the head with a rubber bullet. She never reported this. Well later on the police videotape came up showing the officers laughing after the incident -- now she's considering a lawsuit. So we have that.

Later tonight, a special two-hour, called "Countdown to the Cease-Fire," where we are going to have many guests, including the wife of the kidnapped Israeli soldiers as we are counting down to the 1:00 a.m. deadline to the cease-fire.

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