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JIM SCIUTTO, CNN ANCHOR: Hello and welcome to our viewers joining us from all around the world. I'm Jim Sciutto in Washington. And you're watching
"The Brief."
Just ahead this hour, the U.S. military says hundreds of Marines are now being mobilized in response to protests in Los Angeles. Greta Thunberg and
other activists aboard a ship bound for Gaza delivering aid have been detained by Israeli forces. And the funk music pioneer Sly Stone has passed
away at the age of 82. All that and more coming up.
But first, just remarkable events on the streets of this country. The Pentagon's Northern Command says the president has activated 700 Marines to
help protect federal property, the administration says, and personnel in and around Los Angeles. The Trump administration's decision to send an
infantry battalion to handle the L.A. protests has been met with swift criticism by California's.
Governor Gavin Newsom said on social media, quote, "U.S. Marines have served honorably across multiple wars in defense of democracy. They are
heroes. They shouldn't be deployed on American soil facing their own countrymen to fulfill the deranged fantasy of a dictatorial president. This
is un-American."
The L.A. protests are now in their fourth day sparked by immigration raids. Most of them as CNN reporters have witnessed them have been peaceful. There
have been some clashes with law enforcement. President Trump deployed National Guard forces over the weekend without the state's consent or
requests, first time a U.S. president has done so since 1965 when President Johnson deployed the National Guard to protect civil rights protestors. The
president is defending his decision.
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DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: Cars burning all over the place, people riding. And by the way, we stopped it. We were able to make it much better,
but it still looked pretty bad. And in watching clips last night, people were saying, this is really a big problem. And until we went in, if we
didn't do the job, that place would be burning down just like the houses burned down. They were in big trouble.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCIUTTO: In fact, the Los Angeles Police Department says that they had the situation under control. California's attorney general announced a lawsuit
now against the Trump administration challenging the president's decision to federalize the National Guard without the state officials' consent.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ROB BONTA, CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY GENERAL: I, in partnership with Governor Gavin Newsom, are suing President Trump and asking the court to set aside
the president's unlawful action federalizing the California National Guard. With this order, Trump and Hegseth ignored law enforcement's expertise and
guidance and trampled over our state's, California's sovereignty.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCIUTTO: This is California's 24th lawsuit in 19 weeks against decisions by the president. Governor Gavin Newsom accuses Trump of creating a
manufactured crisis in the case of these raids. The president suggested that Borders Czar Tom Homan should arrest the governor, saying, quote, "I
would do it if I were Tom." Kyung Lah is live in Los Angeles. And, Kyung, we've been talking to you yesterday and today as you cover these protests
what are you seeing today, mostly peaceful?
KYUNG LAH, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: Well, yes, I would say definitely. We haven't seen water bottles being thrown. We haven't seen any
sort of physical interactions between some of the protesters and law enforcement. But I want to give you a sense of what this is all about,
because you've been talking about it, Jim.
I'm in the middle of a crowd, and then, this is the entrance to a federal building. And you can see, these are federal officers, Customs Border
Patrol, DHS, Department of Homeland Security, as well as the California National Guard. And you can see that they are all wearing and carrying
shields. They look prepared to deal with any sort of crowd control situation, and everyone you notice is looking at them.
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This is the flashpoint. We often talk about that in covering crowd events. The flashpoint is the federal building and the federalization of those
California National Guard that you are seeing, and you can see the size of this crowd. They've essentially spilled over into the street and taken over
this entire street.
This is a continuation of protests that began earlier in the day that have overall been largely peaceful. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They come for one.
CROWD: They come for all of them.
LAH (voice-over): Calm following chaos in downtown Los Angeles. A peaceful protest not far from L.A. City Hall.
And a strong police presence near the federal building. All of downtown has been declared an unlawful assembly area after hundreds of protesters took
to the streets in this part of the city, clashing with local law enforcement and the National Guard. The protest sparked by local
immigration raids like this one unfolding across Los Angeles.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's -- up. Look.
LAH (voice-over): Witnesses too afraid to speak on camera watched and filmed as immigration and customs enforcement arrested street vendors at
gunpoint. Outside the L.A. Coliseum, the site of the Olympic Games that will be held here, some protestors violently pushing back against these
raids on Sunday, burning cars, defacing buildings, National Guard troops fired back, blasting tear gas and pepper spray. Los Angeles Mayor Karen
Bass blaming the unrest squarely on the Trump administration.
KAREN BASS, LOS ANGELES MAYOR: If immigration raids had not happened here, we would not have the disorder that went on last night.
LAH (voice-over): And saying the unrest escalated after hundreds of California National Guard troops arrived on scene Sunday, deployed by
President Donald Trump, overriding city and state leaders. California Governor Gavin Newsom saying in a post, the president flamed the fires and
illegally acted to federalize the National Guard. California's attorney general added, the state plans to file suit over the order to send in the
troops.
BONTA: They did so without authorization from Governor Newsom and against the wishes of local law enforcement who were on the ground.
BASS: It felt like fuel for a fire that was unnecessary. It was a hundred people. 27 people were arrested. There wasn't a reason for this. That is
the concern.
LAH (voice-over): Trump posting that he made a great decision sending in the Guard, saying otherwise, Los Angeles would be completely obliterated.
TRUMP: The people that are causing the problem are professional agitators. They're insurrectionists.
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LAH (on camera): So, we've moved to this side of the stairway when we were in the crowd before, but if I could have Mike Love, just kind of raise up
his camera. You can see that law enforcement at the top of the stairs, they are stopping entry into the federal building. And then, over to the right
is this crowd. And the video that you saw, Jim, at the very top of my story, that crowd is a little different looking than this one.
I can tell you that because I was in that protest earlier today, been walking and looking at the faces of some of the people here. The
demographics, this is skewing younger. It was much older people, union people at that other protest. And that is what law enforcement is certainly
concerned about, that there could be a mix of outside agitators, potentially, people who may have different motivations than those just
wanting to protest immigration and ask for immigration reform. So, we are going to keep watching this and seeing how this is going to unfold, Jim.
SCIUTTO: Kyung, is that based on intelligence that the police or authorities have, that there are actual outside agitators there, or are
they just looking at the crowd and making that judgment?
LAH: It's a mix of both. We have a law enforcement source who's speaking with my colleague Josh Campbell, who says that the big concern is a mix of
motivations. That is what they are looking at. What is the motivation of the people who are coming to protest? The exercise of First Amendment
rights is something that is celebrated in this country. And so, that is something that the city wants to be able to allow for people here.
The question though is, you know, this sort of graffiti and the damage to buildings is not something that is acceptable. And the torching of police
cars or Waymo's. So, that is what they want to avoid. Certainly, any sort of officer, injury to people who are trying to come out here to exercise
those First Amendment rights, Jim.
SCIUTTO: Kyung Lah, thanks so much and please stay safe. We do have this news just into CNN. We're learning that California Union leader David
Huerta has been released from federal custody. This on a $50,000 bond. He's been charged with conspiring to impede an officer during the protests we've
been seeing over the last several days in Los Angeles. His arrest sparked outrage.
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Democratic politicians and union members nationwide have rallied around Huerta since that arrest, calling for his release. And as you can see
there, he's now released on bond.
Well, the relationship between President Trump and the Governor of California, Gavin Newsom, as well as the vice president, J. D. Vance, has
been worsening and becoming quite bitter in public. Vance called on Governor Newsom to quote, "do your job." President Trump calls Newsom an
incompetent governor saying, he is destroying one of our great states. It's not the first time they've gone nose to nose.
Kristen Holmes joins me now from the White House. And beyond that strong language back and forth, you have consequential steps that the president is
considering, withdrawing a whole host of federal funding from the State of California, including to the state universities there, the U.C. System. But
then, you have the California governor saying, well, then perhaps we won't send tax revenue to Washington. Of course, California takes in more tax
revenue than it gets in federal funding. Where does this go from here?
KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I mean, there's been an escalation between the federal government and California now for
the better part of a month. I mean, one of the things that was so fascinating about how this unfolded was the fact that earlier in the week,
Newsom had been trying to get in touch with Donald Trump and White House officials told me that it was about the executive order that Donald Trump
had signed about transgender athletes and Newsom had heard Trump saying that he wanted to withdraw some of that federal funding and was calling to
kind of try and smooth things over.
It had obviously escalated to a whole other issue by Friday, by the time the two actually connected and talked for roughly 40 minutes. I am told
that at that point Donald Trump leveled a threat at Newsom saying that if you do not get this together, we are going to call the National Guard,
which we obviously know ended up happening on Saturday.
But as you say, there really are two things going on here. There is this escalation on actual pulling of federal levers by Donald Trump, by the
administration to sort of punish California, but also to go around the governor in various ways, like calling in the National Guard. We have just
learned that Marines have been deployed into California. This is all going around Newsom's wishes and not communicating with the governor.
But there's also this personal aspect of it. The two men have never really liked each other. We've heard them go after each other time and time again.
There are brief moments during COVID where Donald Trump has said that they got along during COVID. We know that even now Donald Trump said he's a nice
guy, but he's grossly incompetent. So, I expect both of these things to escalate.
Now, there are still more that Donald Trump can do, like if he chooses to invoke the Insurrection Act. Right now, it doesn't seem as though we're
there yet. We've heard Donald Trump really softening his rhetoric, saying it doesn't seem like an insurrection particularly right now. But we know
that they're watching this very closely and he's not afraid to use all the levers of the federal government when it comes to California in particular.
So, this doesn't feel like the escalation portion of it is over yet, Jim.
SCIUTTO: It certainly does not. Kristen Holmes at the White House, thanks so much. For more, joining me now is Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen
from the State of Maryland. Thanks so much, Senator, for taking the time.
SEN. CHRIS VAN HOLLEN (D-MD): Jim. Good to be with you.
SCIUTTO: Lots to cover. Let me begin, if I can, with news that President Trump is now deploying active-duty U.S. Military, in this case the U.S.
Marines, 700 of them to Los Angeles. What is your reaction to that? And in your view, is it legal? Is it constitutional for the president to do so?
VAN HOLLEN: Well, first of all, Jim, it is just pouring more gas on the fire. The president should allow state and law enforcement to address the
situation. Anybody who's breaking the law needs to be held accountable by them, but by first deploying the National Guard in nationalizing the
National Guard, and now talking about deploying Marines, the president is taking a tough situation and making it a lot worse.
As to the legality, you cannot deploy national military forces for domestic law enforcement purposes absent the president making some kind of
determination with respect to the Insurrection Act or other legal basis. He can't just say, I'm going to send the Marines in to do local law
enforcement. He has to invoke one of those other authorities and other statutes.
SCIUTTO: In federalizing the National Guard, Trump cited a portion -- prior to deploying the Marines, Trump cited a portion of the U.S. code,
which would allow him to activate the National Guard of any state. Do you believe this is part of a broader plan by this president to put uniformed
troops, whether they be National Guard or active-duty U.S. military in a number of states whenever he deems that it is -- I mean, the language is a
rebellion, right, anything that he believes qualifies as a rebellion?
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VAN HOLLEN: Well, first of all, I support the decision of Governor Newsom and the California attorney general to file a lawsuit against President
Trump's actions here. There's no doubt, there's no doubt that what Trump is trying to do is escalate this issue. And we've seen the president violate
due process rights, violate the Constitution across the board for his own purposes, whether it's violating the First Amendment or in other instances.
So, I don't know, Jim, whether there's a big plan from the president. But what we do know is his motivation is not to calm things down, it's to
inflame these situations for his own political purposes and political spectacle.
SCIUTTO: How should Congress respond? And I wonder, do any of your GOP colleagues disagree with, express any reservations about this use of
military force and military deployments?
VAN HOLLEN: Yes. Not enough of them, but certainly some of them. I mean, for example, Senator Rand Paul has talked very clearly about not allowing
the U.S. military to be deployed for domestic law enforcement purposes. He also warned administration witnesses just the other day about their --
talking about suspending habeas corpus and due process rights. Unfortunately, we need more folks who actually respect the Constitution to
speak up at this moment.
SCIUTTO: A case you've of course been highly involved with, that of the Maryland man, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, finally returned to the U.S. after
multiple challenges in your own work in that sphere. One quite simple question, have you been able to speak with Abrego Garcia since he's
returned?
VAN HOLLEN: I have not, but the good news is his lawyers have finally been able to talk to him. His wife, Jennifer, has finally been able to talk to
him. Until he was brought back to the United States, I was the only person on Earth, Jim, that he had spoken to and let him know what was happening
back home.
So, the good news is that because he's back here, he now has access to his due process rights, something that the Trump administration had tried to
prevent. I mean, they said he would never set foot on U.S. soil again.
SCIUTTO: As CNN reported and others have reported one of the prosecutors from the Tennessee office that issued the charges he's now facing resigned
as a result. And many have raised questions about the substance of those charges, the trafficking charges. Do you believe they're credible?
VAN HOLLEN: I don't know. Jim. And the whole reason that I have fought to have this case put back into a court of law is to allow judges to look at
the evidence that people have to present under penalty of perjury, not some social media post.
And I have said from the beginning that this is not about the man, Abrego Garcia, it's about his rights. Because if you violate his rights, you do
jeopardize the rights of everybody who lives in America. So, I am glad that the administration, finally, after thumbing their nose at a nine to zero
Supreme Court decision has finally been forced to comply.
SCIUTTO: As you know, there's an enormous amount of reliance being placed on the courts to provide some check on the many powers that President Trump
is claiming at the same time, not just to deport those accused of crimes but also now to deploy forces active military to federalize the National
Guard, et cetera.
But as you also know with your experience with Abrego Garcia, that this administration is very good at delaying, complying with some of those
orders here. Who's winning this battle? Not just for the right to due process, but for, you know, tests of the constitution on the deployment of
active-duty military here. Is the -- are the courts winning or is President Trump winning?
VAN HOLLEN: Well, the answer is, all of us, the United States need to stand up to support the Constitution or Donald Trump and his authoritarian
tendencies will prevail. I want to applaud the courts. I mean, a nine to zero decision for the Supreme Court doesn't happen very often.
But to your earlier point about Republican senators and Republican members of Congress, they need to step up too, right? They were -- they swore to
uphold the Constitution of the United States, not to simply be rubber stamps for Donald Trump. So, if we're going to preserve our constitution
and our democracy, we need every American, every patriotic American to step up.
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SCIUTTO: Senator Chris Van Holland, we do appreciate you taking the time.
VAN HOLLEN: Thanks, Jim.
SCIUTTO: Still ahead, China and the U.S. are back at the bargaining table, this time in London. The world's two biggest economies trying to get their
trade relationship back on track.
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SCIUTTO: Welcome back to "The Brief." Checking the action now on Wall Street. U.S. stocks finished Monday's session mostly higher as the U.S. and
China kicked off a new round of trade negotiations in London. The two sides talking again after accusing each other a breaking last month's trade
truce. Sources tell CNN, President Trump has authorized his team to ease up on us export restrictions, particularly relating to technology,
semiconductors, et cetera, that helped lead to the flare up.
He said last week that China has agreed to resume exports of rare earths to some companies. Experts do not expect Beijing to give up all its leverage
or for all the more sticky issues to be resolved. All this as new data shows Chinese exports to the U.S. plunged to their lowest levels since the
start of the COVID-19 pandemic, due of course to the ongoing trade war.
A ship carrying desperately needed food and medicine to Gaza has been rerouted to the Israeli port of Ashdod. The international activists on
board say The Madleen was unlawfully boarded by the Israeli military. The crew includes Swedish activist Greta Thunberg, who recorded a message
before the ship was intercepted.
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GRETA THUNBERG, SWEDISH ACTIVIST: My name is Greta Thunberg and I am from Sweden. If you see this video, we have been intercepted and kidnapped in
international waters by the Israeli occupational forces or forces that support Israel.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCIUTTO: Israel says that it acted within international law. Jeremy Diamond takes a closer look.
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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Well, efforts by a group of pro-Palestinian activists to break Israel's naval blockade of Gaza came to
an abrupt halt early this morning. The Madleen, which was carrying about a dozen activists, including Greta Thunberg, as well as a member of the
European Parliament, was intercepted by the Israeli navy in the early hours of the morning. And naval commandos then boarded the ship.
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The Gaza Freedom Flotilla Coalition, which is the umbrella group that ran this mission, said that the Israeli military quote, ""unlawfully boarded"
The Madleen in international waters. Before commandos boarded the ship, activists on board reported that there were drones flying overhead, and
that they then dropped some kind of white paint-like substance before a warning was issued by the Israeli Navy, telling them that the Gaza
coastline was off limits. Their communications were then jammed and then Israeli naval commandos came on board. We saw images actually of these
activists putting their hands in the air awaiting the Israeli naval commandos coming on board.
The incident seems to have unfolded altogether peacefully with no injuries or deaths reported in this incident, that's in stark contrast to what
happened in most notably in 2010 when a ship known as the Mavi Marmara was boarded by Israeli naval commandos, who reported coming under attack with
batons and metal rods. Those naval commandos killed nine people aboard that ship in that incident.
And then, of course, just last month, it was a ship called The Conscience that initially attempted to bring these same activists, including Greta
Thunberg. It came under what those activists said was an Israeli drone attack in international waters just off the coast of Malta before they
could even set sail for Gaza.
Now, what's going to happen to these activists? According to the Israeli foreign ministry all of the passengers on board will be will be returned to
their home countries. As we understand it, they are in the custody of the Israeli military right now. And they will then face deportation back to
their countries. Several of the European countries, like France for example, which has citizens on board, have already been in touch with the
Israeli government to ensure the safe return of their citizens.
What is clear is that these activists ultimately at least succeeded in part in drawing attention to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. We know, of
course, that despite Israel slightly lifting that blockade by allowing limited quantities of humanitarian aid over the course of the last couple
weeks. Despite all of that, the hunger crisis still very much gripping the Gaza Strip. We are continuing to see scenes of chaos and looting around
some of the aid that is getting into Gaza and signs of desperation among the population there with calls from humanitarian aid groups to allow much
more aid to flow into Gaza.
Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Tel Aviv.
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SCIUTTO: Just ahead, protests continue in Los Angeles over expanding immigration raids as we learn that the Trump administration has now
activated hundreds of U.S. Marines, active-duty U.S. military to join the response. We're going to have more on that next.
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SCIUTTO: Welcome back to "The Brief." I'm Jim Sciutto. And here are more international headlines we're watching today.
The State of California says it will sue President Donald Trump after he federalized the State's National Guard to the City of Los Angeles without
state leaders' consent or request. The city has experienced protests over the Trump administration's expanding immigration raids. This is the first
time since 1965 that a U.S. president has called up the National Guard without a governor's request or consent.
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GRETA THUNBERG, SWEDISH ACTIVIST: This is Greta Thunberg and I am from Sweden. If you see this video, we have been intercepted and kidnapped in
international waters by the Israeli occupational forces or forces that support Israel.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCIUTTO: Greta Thunberg speaking there in a message published after Israel detained her and other activists aboard the Madleen, recorded just before
they were detained. The ship was en route to Gaza to deliver aid, as millions of people there are in the middle of a dire hunger crisis. Israel
says all of those that detained are safe and were expected to be returned to their home countries.
The U.S. and China are kicking off a new round of trade negotiations in London, trying to build on a fragile truce brokered last month. In May, the
two sides agreed to roll back tariffs on each other's goods for at least 90 days. Sources say President Trump has authorized his team to ease up on
some U.S. export restrictions of high technology products. In exchange, he wants China to release volumes of rare earth minerals. Experts say it's
unlikely for a major relaxation of those restrictions, though China has relaxed some of them.
Returning now to our top story. The military says hundreds of U.S. Marines have been activated by President Trump to respond to protesters in Los
Angeles. Those -- that's active-duty U.S. military on the streets of the U.S.
This as the city has experienced protests over the administration's expanding immigration raids. Those demonstrations have been continuing
today more commonly than we saw on some places on Sunday. CNN journalist witnesses -- witnessed police using flashbang grenades and tear gas to
disperse crowds. as well as some officers hitting protestors. Some protestors set self-driving Waymo cars on fire. John Sandweg was the acting
director of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement during the Obama administration, known as ICE. He joins me now. Thanks so much for taking
the time.
JOHN SANDWEG, FORMER ACTING DIRECTOR, U.S. IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT: Yes. Thanks Jim.
SCIUTTO: So, first I want to begin with the law enforcement response here, because the LAPD, which of course has many officers, it has its own crowd
and riot control units. They have said they have this under control. We're able to control things on Saturday before the president issued this order.
Now, you have not just the federalization of the California National Guard, but also active-duty U.S. military on the ground there. From your
standpoint, is that necessary? Is that deployment of forces other than local law enforcement necessary?
SANDWEG: You know, Jim, typically you're going to rely on your state and local partners in a situation like this, unless you see significant
evidence to the contrary, you're going to rely on them and that you, you know, look at -- be in a supportive role during a situation like this.
Obviously, I think the administration wants to escalate this. I think we saw some of this in the first Trump administration in Portland and some of
the other cities where there's some large protests. But generally, I think you want to defer to your local police chief, especially with a police
force like LAPD when they tell you they got it. You want to be prepared but defer to them.
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SCIUTTO: Tell me about the raids that the Trump administration is conducting now, because what seems to have sparked these protests is raids
such as one, we had a story on of those ICE officers going to, for instance, a Home Depot where you have day laborers gathering. And you know,
the allegation is they're not going after hardened criminals, right, in these instances, but big show of force going into places otherwise
peaceful, but where there might be some people who overstayed their visa or entered the country illegally. Is that one within ICE's purview?
SANDWEG: Well, it's definitely within ICE's purview, Jim, but this is all a byproduct of this pressure the administration has put on ICE. So, first
of all, let me just defend the men and women at ICE quickly. They signed up -- most of them, in my experience working with them during my time at DHS
and at ICE itself, signed up in this to promote public safety, to get bad guys off the streets.
This administration has put these quotas on them, this 3,000 number, you know, where Stephen Miller and Secretary Noem met with ICE leadership a
couple of weeks ago, made some changes to the leadership and really put increasing pressure on them. If you want to get -- first of all, those
numbers are almost impossible for ICE to achieve given their current kind of force capacity.
But if you want to come anywhere close to those numbers, you have to pivot. And that means you got to pivot away from these surgical -- more surgical
tactical operations where you're targeting individual criminals. You might get a criminal, you might get two or three people living in the same house,
you're not going to get anywhere near the number of arrests though you're going to get if you sweep the Home Depot parking lot.
The problem though, Jim, is, that in fact, you're probably -- you're not going to find many criminals in the Home Depot parking lot, certainly not
the high-level gang members, transactional gang members or high priority, you know, convicted violent felons who might be at large that the
administration likes to talk about.
When you go to the workplace, you're typically going to find those economic migrants who are making their living, honestly, you know, going to work
every day. And so, these operations, while they're going to drive up the quantity, you know, get ICE closer to that 3,000 number and frankly, it's
the only way they can get close to that 3000 arrests per day number, you're just not going to see those criminal aliens that the administration talks
about.
SCIUTTO: So, you're saying that this is numbers pressure, they want them to get their -- beat their quota up in effect.
SANDWEG: Absolutely. You know, in immigration enforcement, Jim. But the quantity is the enemy of the quality. When you're going after that, at
large, let's say transnational gang member, he's adept at hiding. A lot of times it might be somebody who was convicted of a crime, who was deported
from the United States and is snuck back in. He generally -- or he or she generally knows that they're being hunted for. It takes a nice team hours
to track that individual down, get a good location on them, and then you want to send a team out to find them on the streets.
And having gone on those kind of ride alongs when I was the acting director, you can go to three, four, or five houses chasing clues. You
know, I'm getting leads from people before you find your target. At the end of the day, you might have gotten a really good arrest. Someone who does
pose a threat to public safety off the streets, but you made one arrest.
However, this administration wants volume. And for this mass deportation effort, this was a natural evolution. You could kind of see it coming from
the beginning, you know, the easier targets have been kind of burned through. And now, rather than putting in those hours to get that one or
twos, ICE has instead pivoting to go on these work sites where maybe you can get 40 or 50 migrants in one sweep.
But again, they just have no nexus to public safety. You're not going to find your criminals at your -- you know, your slaughterhouse or your
garment factory. You know you're going to find them in the streets. And that just takes a lot more legwork and a lot more time.
SCIUTTO: Let me ask you this, because Governor Newsom, Mayor Bass, they have accused the Trump administration with these raids of deliberately
creating chaos in effect, instigating, inflaming, et cetera. When you watch the actions, the decision making, the tactics of the immigration,
deportation czar, whatever you want to call him, Tom Homan, do you think he's writing within the lines?
SANDWEG: Jim, I don't know if they intended to trigger this kind of reaction. I will tell you this. Everybody who's been at ICE knows there's
no more law enforcement, you know, agency that's more politicized. There -- and so, the challenge that -- when you start saying, we're going to go
after these workplace raids, what that means is you're going after these populations that, by and large, Jim, have been here a long time, have
developed deep roots into this country, who have worked alongside U.S. citizens, gone to church with them, their kids are U.S. citizens. Their
kids have gone to school with other people's kids. And when you start going after that population, you start seeing lots of political pressure and
civil unrest.
During the Obama administration when there was -- you know, perception of elevated immigration enforcement, most of that was focused on the border
and on these criminal populations with, you know, looking at prisons and jails and one-offs. Nevertheless, there was tremendous political, you know,
frustration expressed, right? The groups on the left, there was a lot of -- you know, nothing quite this dramatic, but there was a lot of civil unrest,
a lot of protests, a lot of frustration at the Obama administration.
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So, I think Tom Homan -- I mean, I've worked with Tom during the Obama days. Tom knows that when you start doing this kind of massive work site
operations, when you start sweeping the Home Depots, this kind of reaction is coming. You just can't do this kind of immigration work focusing on this
portion of the undocumented population and not trigger this kind of reaction. So, I don't know if it was the intended goal, but certainly, it
was -- you know, it was reasonably foreseeable, I guess you would say. Certainly, they should have expected it.
SCIUTTO: John Sandweg, former acting director of ICE, we really do appreciate you sharing your expertise.
SANDWEG: Yes. Thanks, Jim.
SCIUTTO: Well, as we were speaking there, these protests sparked by those expanding ICE immigration raids, at least 42 Mexicans were arrested in
those raids, according to Mexico's foreign secretary. The Mexican president, Claudia Sheinbaum, urged U.S. immigration officials to follow
due process and says Los Angeles would not be what it is without Mexicans living there.
Valeria Leon joins me now from Mexico City. I wonder, as Mexicans, the people of Mexico and leaders there see these images playing out on their
air of these mass arrests, the clashes, the police, the soldiers on the streets of the U.S. What are they thinking? How are they reacting?
VALERIA LEON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jim, this is for the first time since President Donald Trump took office, we are hearing Mexico's
president, Claudia Sheinbaum, respond with a clear and emphatic rejection of one of his policies, in this case, the ICE raids and cracked down on
protests in a largely Mexican L.A. neighborhood.
She has defended the rights of Mexican citizens in the U.S., saying they are honest workers and not criminals as the Trump administration has
portrayed them. She went further stating that the Trump administration needs these migrants in the country. And this strong message from Sheinbaum
marks a shift in her approach to the U.S.
Away from the cool head of strategy she maintained during tense tariff of negotiations in March and April, but it's still uncertain how this change
in tone will affect the relationship between the two major economic partners, especially with the threat of trade levies used by President
Trump to pressure Mexico on immigration and drug trafficking enforcement, and also the risks faced by Sheinbaum government by openly criticizing
Trump, giving his recent attacks on former allies like Elon Musk and the federalist society who also criticized him publicly.
On this occasion, Jim, Claudia Sheinbaum called on the U.S. government to guarantee the immigration proceedings be done lawfully. And she also
condemned the violence on the streets of Los Angeles during the protest there. Here's what she had to say this morning.
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CLAUDIA SHEINBAUM, MEXICAN PRESIDENT (through translator): We make a respectful but firm call for the U.S. authorities to ensure that all
immigration procedures are conducted in adherence to due process within a framework of respect for human dignity and the rule of law. We do not agree
with violent actions as a form of protest. The burning of police cars seems more like an act of provocation than a resistance.
It must be clear. We condemn violence regardless of where it comes from. We call on the Mexican community to act peacefully and not fall into
provocations.
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LEON: And during a recent update, according to Mexico's foreign affairs secretary, 37 men and five women were arrested during this weekend's
protest, four of whom have already been deported. Also, Mexico's government has announced its 52 consulates across the U.S. will assist Mexican
migrants with legal counsel.
Additionally, Mexico's consular staff have contacted the families and the arrested migrants in Mexico. Officials in Los Angeles will continue
visiting the detain immigrants in four detention centers, as well as attending the focus (ph) families and victims. The foreign affairs
secretary said they have received thousands of calls from people requested legal help in the U.S. And with 4.9 million undocumented Mexicans migrants
-- Mexican migrants living and working in the U.S. for over five years, Mexico's government is making it clear it will use every resource to defend
its citizens abroad. A response that could reshape diplomatic ties and influence immigration debates on both sides of the border. Jim.
SCIUTTO: Valeria Leon, thanks so much for walking us through it all from Mexico City. Still ahead, Apple's A.I. reboot. The tech giant is unveiling
new artificial intelligence features at its annual developer's conference. But is Apple still playing too safe? We'll discuss.
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SCIUTTO: A big day for Apple at its annual developer's conference in California. The tech giant announced it will incorporate new A.I. features
in all of its products, including ChatGPT for image generation. Apple hoping to change the perception that it's moving too slowly to embrace A.I.
Apple also unveiled a new redesign for the iPhone called Liquid Glass. It's the biggest visual overhaul for Apple in years. Apple shareholders seemed
largely enthusiastic. Shares fell more than 1 percent in Monday's session.
Joining me now, Dan Ives, he's the global head of tech research at Wedbush Securities and was at today's event. So, you called today's event a yawner.
Was that the reaction in the room and why? Why did it disappoint?
DAN IVES, GLOBAL AHEAD OF TECHNOLOGY RESEARCH, WEDBUSH SECURITIES: Yes. I -- look, I think they're keeping it safe because you go back a year ago,
they were aggressive when it came to A.I. and a lot of that they basically had to backtrack. So, I think they're keeping it safe because they're
trying to under promise, over deliver.
But look, in this big tech arms race, it's very important that Apple gets A.I. right. And I think there's a key year ahead. They started to weigh the
seeds of that.
SCIUTTO: How about the visual reboot here, this Liquid Glass? I mean, I feel like I get these updates, you know, periodically and I look at my
phone and, you know, besides some things that confuse me, I don't see a massive change.
IVES: Well, look, I think that's been part of the issue is that on one hand you have the biggest install base in the world, 2.4 billion iOS
devices, 1.5 billion iPhones. But the software, that's not moving the needle. You know, you need refresh when it comes to what's going to be
iPhone 17. But the big one, it's A.I. because the consumer A.I. revolution is going to go through Apple, but they really need to lay out the strategy
and I think it starts today, but definitely some heavy lifting ahead.
SCIUTTO: The company had to be stung, no doubt, by seeing its former chief design officer, you know, the hero of the company, in many ways, Jony Ive,
joined forces with open ai. Was that a big blow?
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IVES: Yes. I mean, look, I mean that's -- I think that was a tough one to -- a tough pill to swallow for them, because those things -- like Ive being
one of the biggest instrumental forces of Apple when it comes to innovation now basically selling its company to OpenAI, look, I think it's just
another reminder where. Apple needs to decide, do they finally do acquisitions? Do they get aggressive?
Because when it comes to A.I., look at Microsoft, look at OpenAI, look at Google, and I think that's where Apple finds themselves right now would've
been the sort of crosshairs.
SCIUTTO: It sounds like -- and who knows until they debut it, but that this OpenAI product, you know, the idea is it's going to take you away from
staring at your phone, right? Some sort of -- you know, maybe it's a little thing like the movie "Her" in your ear. I mean, is Apple thinking in those
terms? Is it thinking of the generation beyond having just a new slightly more advanced version of this?
IVES: Look, I think for Apple, I mean, they basically -- they need to figure out how they're going to monetize their install base when it comes
to A.I. So, when you talk about "Her" and open A.I. and basically going outside the phone, I mean, obviously, like some of those, you know, could
definitely be in the realm over the coming years.
But for them, it's really the hundreds of apps, applications are going to get built on top of Apple that are A.I. driven. They need to basically
build a platform for those developers. That's the key. That's how me and you and many others, that's how you're going to access A.I.
SCIUTTO: Final thing before we go, of course the trade wars are tough for Apple. I mean, it still makes the vast majority of its phones in China
that, you know, still in the midst of a shooting match between those two countries when it comes to trade. How big of a blow is that and do they see
a light at the end of the tunnel for them on this?
IVES: Look, I think Cook, 10 percent politician, 90 percent CEO. Talk about the India pivot, right? I mean that was -- I think it was a smart
move in terms of more and more of the iPhones that are assembled in India to get around some of the trade issues in China. But look, them building
iPhones in the U.S. is a fairytale.
SCIUTTO: Yes.
IVES: Unless you want 3,500 -- if you want $3,500 iPhones, we should build them here in Palo Alto.
SCIUTTO: Yes.
IVES: You want $1,000 ones, you build them in China or India.
SCIUTTO: Yes, that's the trade off, right? Dan Ives, Wedbush Securities, thanks so much for joining.
IVES: Thanks.
SCIUTTO: Well, sad news today, the pioneering funk musician Sly Stone has passed away at the age of 82. We're going to take a look back at his
remarkable career coming up.
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SCIUTTO: Big night for Portuguese football. Portugal our Nation's League champions once again after a dramatic final against Spain. The match ended
2-2 after regular time. Cristiano Ronaldo, at 40 years old, scored a crucial equalizer. In the end, Portugal won though in the penalty shootout
5-3. It is their Second Nations League title.
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In Paras, Carlos Alcaraz has made tennis history, winning the French Open in a dramatic five-set thriller comeback against the world number one
Jannik Sinner. Alcaraz came back from two sets down, saved three championship points in the longest final ever played at Roland-Garros,
lasting more than five and a half hours. Wow. At just 22, he now has five grand slam titles matching a guy named Rafael Nadal's Milestone at the same
age. A stunning display of resilience and talent. Alcaraz's triumph is being hailed as one of the greatest comebacks in tennis history.
And before we go, a tribute to the musician Sly Stone, who passed away at the age of 82. The funk rock pioneer was the founder of Sly and the Family
Stone, known for hits like "Family Affair and "Everyday People." Sadly, he battled substance abuse later in life before gaining some recognition in a
documentary by the music musician Questlove. Stone passed away peacefully after a battle with the lung condition, COPD, according to his family. Our
thoughts to his family and friends.
And thanks so much for all of you for joining us. I'm Jim Sciutto in Washington. You've been watching the brief. Please do stay with CNN.
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