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Republicans and Democrats Criticize Memorandum of Understanding Negotiated by President Trump with Iran to End Military Conflict; Trump Administration Draws Criticism for Not Commenting on UFC Fighter Claiming Former First Lady Michelle Obama is a Man During Event on White House South Lawn; Democratic Socialist Candidates Winning Democratic Primaries in Major American Cities; Supernanny Jo Frost Says American Children Not being Taught Independence by Parents. Aired 10-11a ET

Aired June 20, 2026 - 10:00   ET

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ABBY PHILLIP, CNN ANCHOR: Today, two presidents, two legacies, and one agreement that's being called a surrender and the worst foreign policy blunder in decades.

TREY GOWDY, FORMER SOUTH CAROLINA REPRESENTATIVE: I thought somebody was spoofing me when I saw it.

PHILLIP: Plus, it's a trope rooted in racism and misogyny. The White House refuses to condemn a UFC fighter's smear against Michelle Obama that MAGA helped fuel.

Also --

JANEESE LEWIS GEORGE, (D) D.C. MAYORAL CANDIDATE: Tonight, D.C. made its demands.

(CHEERING)

PHILLIP: Socialism fever -- New York, Seattle, and now Los Angeles and D.Cc. may be on the verge of electing socialist leaders. Are America's biggest cities veering left?

DONALD TRUMP, (R) U.S. PRESIDENT: We won't put up with it.

PHILLIP: And the Supernanny unleashes on modern parents with a harsh warning about how were raising our kids.

JO FROST, SUPERNANNY: When did we stop teaching these life skills?

PHILLIP: Here in studio, Noah Rothman, Xochitl Hinojosa, Solomon Jones, and Scott Macfarlane.

It's the weekend. Join the conversation at a "TABLE FOR FIVE".

(END VIDEO CLIP) PHILLIP: Hi, everyone. I'm Abby Phillip.

It's no secret that Donald Trump has long compared himself to Barack Obama. He's compared their economies, their foreign policies, their crowd sizes, and Trump even said he's healthier than Obama. So it was notable this week that both men experienced events tied to their legacies. The Obamas opening up their presidential library in Chicago, and the president signing an agreement with Iran that is now being compared to Obama's, the one, by the way, that Trump tore up.

And so far, it hasn't been pretty. The agreement does not achieve much of the initial objectives that the Trump administration had laid out when they started the war. And in addition to that, it will potentially make Iran richer than before the bombs. More from oil, more from sanctions relief, more from a $300 billion fund, and more from unfrozen assets. By all accounts, including from the president himself, he was done with the war. He had had enough. And conservatives are letting him have it

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SEN. BILL CASSIDY, (R-LA): Iran has learned that if they are willing to grab that Strait of Hormuz and choke it off, they can get the western world to dance to their tune. I think it's a deep mistake.

BEN SHAPIRO, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: This MOU appears to be, just from the text, a disaster that does not achieve any of the actual signal goals that were set by the administration at the beginning.

SEN. TED CRUZ, (R-TX): If this deal is giving them $300 billion, that's a mistake.

BRIAN KILMEADE, FOX NEWS HOST: I'm just wondering if the people that negotiated this have informed the president about what's in the page- and-a-half he's going to read publicly on Friday.

MIKE PENCE, (R) FORMER U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: What's in it, and also what's not in it, suggests to me that it does smack of the kind of appeasement that our administration rejected in the Obama Iran nuclear deal.

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PHILLIP: So what did this cost the United States? Is Iran better off than before? And was the deal Obama struck better than this one? But that is the thing that seems to have been keeping Trump awake for the last couple of months. But now that we have the text, we do know.

And I mean, Scott, I wonder if it if you think that we can make a determination at this point.

SCOTT MACFARLANE, CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, MEIDASTOUCH NETWORK: Of all the opinions we heard between Monday and Friday, one stood out to me, Abby. The Senate Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, Mark Warner of Virginia, said Trump promised to get rid of all the ballistic missiles, and about 60 percent are still there. Trump claims to have knocked out the Navy in Iran, but there are still small ships that can lay mines and wreak havoc in the strait if and when they choose to do so. We lost American lives. We lost American treasure. None of that is retrievable. And I think the underscore of all this is that if he's trying to put this behind him, I don't think he's put it behind him. The next 60 days are going to be scrutinized and remain a very visceral political issue.

PHILLIP: Yes. I mean, it seems that he's actually opened up a whole other can of worms. Now many of the conservatives who were behind him at the start of the war feel like they've kind of sold -- he sold them up the river, because now he's putting them in a position where they have to defend the very things that they said were unacceptable just a few months ago.

NOAH ROTHMAN, SENIOR WRITER, "NATIONAL REVIEW": Well, they don't have to. No ones got a gun to their head.

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They don't have to defend the indefensible, and I would recommend they don't.

PHILLIP: That's true. Right.

ROTHMAN: Honestly, I think it's kind of an apples to oranges comparison to compare the JCPOA and this disastrous memorandum of understanding. It's probably valuable for a domestic political audience that hungers for political combat, but it's just immaterial. I would much rather have the defense industrial base destroyed, the Iranian nuclear program destroyed, much of its high class Navy, it's destroyers and submarines, what have you, destroyed, its air force, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I would rather have that.

But the president said this MOU could unleash within the next year, two years, five years, some of which are conceivable, some of which probably would defy imagination, could undermine the argument in favor of this operation. And Republicans should be covering their bases and standing on principle, saying especially if the implementation of this deal beyond the 30 days, 60 days, what have you, requires, for example, delisting the IRGC as a terrorist organization, which is a live proposition, if you're going to have governments and private enterprises do visible business with the IRGC, which is control of construction in the region, you're going to have to tinker around the margins, and Congress is going to have a say on that, or at least they should.

PHILLIP: Right. I think they would. And that's probably an underappreciated point.

There are some promises made in this MOU that the Trump administration can't make. And actually, I think the sanctions thing probably hasn't gotten enough attention because this MOU contemplates relieving all sanctions. So it puts on the table something that not even the JCPOA did. The JCPOA never released all sanctions on Iran. So I get your point about not living in the past, but I just think it's amazing to me that that's -- we're even having this conversation and not having a conversation about anything concrete as it relates to the ballistic missile program, the nuclear program, none of it.

SOLOMON JONES, WURD RADIO HOST: Yes, none of it's concrete. And, well, the thing that is concrete is that they said they're going to focus on five points first. The first point was ending the hostilities. One was opening the Strait of Hormuz, and the rest of them really benefit Iran. And so they win in the beginning of this deal when they talk about points one, four, five, ten and 11. They win in terms of sanctions, in terms of investment in their country. It almost reads like reparations to me, $300 billion of investment from the United States and from other countries in the region. I think that the countries in the region found that with Iran as a hostile actor in a war, that they would be hurt more than the United States. When you end hostilities, the only ones who were getting bombed was Iran and other countries there. The United States was not getting bombed. And so I think Iran wins on this deal.

PHILLIP: That doesn't just sound like reparations. The Iranians called it that when they said that they wanted a fund. They've been asking for this fund since actually the very beginning really.

XOCHITL HINOJOSA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, they've been asking for the fund, and now Republicans are a little bit worried about what has been negotiated here.

On the JCPOA, I think the reason why it is being it is being compared to what this MOU is now is because Donald Trump tore up the JCPOA, made us less safe, and Republicans have been saying, including Donald Trump, that they would -- that the JCPOA was terrible, but yet he cannot negotiate anything that is better.

And what is happening now is on the 60-day, on the 60-day sort of deal is that we're getting closer and closer to the midterm elections. The Iranians know that they hold the cards currently, and they're getting everything that they want without having to do anything with the nuclear program. And the closer we get to an election, the closer Donald Trump is going to be desperate to come to some sort of deal because he needs a win. And he's going to get Republican pressure, and also, Republicans are getting pressure from their voters ahead of the midterm elections.

And so I do think that the timing here is going to say a lot about what is actually negotiated, because he is under -- he knows that he has to deliver something that is better than the JCPOA, and I am not sure he can do that.

PHILLIP: And I would just add, here's J.D. Vance doing what Noah said not to do, which is comparing the deal to the JCPOA. Listen.

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J.D. VANCE, (R) VICE PRESIDENT: You have to remember, in 2015, Iran had built a sophisticated nuclear weapons program with a nuclear weapons stockpile. So the perspective that we came at as the United States was you already have a really nice nuclear program. We're going to bribe you with American money in order to stop it. Our perspective and where we're coming at it is we already destroyed

your nuclear program. And so if you promise and show verifiable pathways to not rebuild it, then we are willing to give you some sanctions relief and things like that. The Obama nuclear deal allowed enrichment. Ours will not.

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PHILLIP: There's something actually about that that first of all, there's some factual inaccuracies in what he just said. He said Iran had built a nuclear weapons stockpile in 2015, which is not true.

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And then he also says the Obama deal allowed enrichment. Ours will not. It is true that the Obama deal allowed a small amount of enrichment, but this MOU seems to suggest that they might, too, because it says we'll talk about it in the 60 days whether or not you can enrich. And then President Trump tells "The New York Times" that maybe they can enrich up to four or five percent.

ROTHMAN: Yes, which is the JCPOA. And I think the vice president is correct to note, as I would note, that it's an apples to oranges comparison and really not applicable because we're talking about mothballing centrifuges in 2015, whereas now were talking about slightly irradiated rubble that used to be centrifuges in 2026.

It's immaterial if you're talking about allowing a civilian level of enrichment, 3.75 percent thereabout for reactors, you're 70 percent of the way to highly enriched uranium weapons grade uranium. The hard part is the early stages. The latter stages are more easy.

The president was correct when he said, I hyped up the HEU, the highly enriched uranium. I shouldn't have done that. Because why? Because it is buried. Because it is inaccessible. Because we can see it from space and you can police it if they attempt to get at it. That's not what this deal was designed to do. This deal was designed to open up the Strait of Hormuz. All they wanted to do was not open up the Strait of Hormuz militarily, as the United States did in 1987 and 1988. I get it, but that's not what they're getting out of this deal.

HINOJOSA: And you know what? And we should praise the fact that the strait will potentially open. And my hope is it will open, because we've been to this movie before where the president says the strait will open. It does not open. And then we're back to where we were. As of right now, it will be good for the American people if the strait opens, but this is the most expensive way to get back to where we were before he actually went to war.

JONES: That's the problem.

ROTHMAN: I'm not going to praise it. I'm not going to praise it.

JONES: The problem, the problem is that the Strait of Hormuz was already open before they started this war, so you didn't have to start a war -- HINOJOSA: That's right.

JONES: All you had to do was leave it alone and it would have been open.

PHILLIP: The nuclear material was also buried before we started this war.

Next for us, after a UFC fighter's smear against Michelle Obama, why is it surprising when the White House won't condemn what MAGA helped fuel?

Plus, another major American city flocking to a socialist leader as the trend intensifies across the nation.

We'll be right back.

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PHILLIP: Welcome back. When a UFC fighter disparaged Michelle Obama at the White House by calling her a man, it wasn't surprising that the White House refused to condemn the remark when MAGA allies have helped fuel this smear for years. Alex Jones peddled this lie. So did Jason Whitlock. And just two years ago, the president's own son shared and LOL-ed at a post insinuating that the former first lady was a 250- pound linebacker.

Unfortunately, the degrading and mocking of black women's bodies has been a reality for centuries. It's a trope that's rooted in racism and misogyny, but apparently not disturbing enough for the president or his allies to condemn it. In fact, here's what the former FBI director, deputy director, told TMZ in D.C. Listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got to ask, what do you think of Josh Hokit saying Michelle Obama is a man?

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DAN BONGINO, FORMER FBI DEPUTY DIRECTOR: I think it was -- it was probably the most unexpected and unintentionally hilarious moment of the night. The whole place kind of erupted. So I think you see online that that kind of blew up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But it was kind of weird though, because, you know, it's celebrating America event. And then, you know, she's part of American history lesson.

BONGINO: You got to smile a little bit. It was funny. Just joking around. He's Hokit. It's Hokit. You're not reading the Declaration of Independence.

(END VIDEO CLIP) PHILLIP: This is pretty gross stuff, and it's even more disturbing when you realize that he was a top government official. And I don't know, I mean, I guess the whole thing about MAGA sometimes is that you just push the envelope and everybody laughs and it's fine. But I also think it speaks to people's character when they can't call a spade a spade.

JONES: Yes, I think that much truth is spoken in jest. And so, they pass it off as a joke, but it's really not. And when you attack Michelle Obama, who is the most prominent black woman, not just in America but in the world, you're really attacking all black women. You're really saying all black women are not feminine. All black women are not beautiful. All black women are not worthy of respect.

And I reject that. Michelle Obama is smart and she's capable and she's accomplished. And maybe that's what threatens MAGA. Maybe that's why they do that. Maybe that's why they did the same thing to Serena Williams, because she was smart and she was accomplished and she was the best at what she did. I think that they're threatened by female accomplishment and especially black female accomplishment. And I don't think any of us should accept it as a joke or anything else.

PHILLIP: Let me just play this. This is from J.D. Vance. He was in an interview with "The New York Times" columnist Ross Douthat. Listen.

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J.D. VANCE, (R) VICE PRESIDENT: For every clip that you could show me of me or the president or some cabinet secretary saying something that, in your view, is un-Christian, I could show you another few clips of us doing something or saying something that is like, very Christian.

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I'm not saying we're perfect because we're not. My point is that the tone argument is, in some ways, I think people see what they want to see. And I also think that tonal arguments are ways of, frankly, policing working class ways of communication and covering them in elite preferences.

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PHILLIP: Noah, do you think that's true?

ROTHMAN: No, I don't think that's true. I think this joke in particular was crass and gross, and it's not something that I would support. And we've heard versions of what J.D. Vance just said in regards to Graham Platner. The defenses of Graham Platner from the progressive left has been, oh, well, this is how you reach working class people.

Everybody in my life, all my friends, most of them work with their hands. Some of them make a lot of -- much more better money than I do. They are not misogynistic. They don't hate women. They don't make racist jokes. They don't take things too seriously in life, and they're capable of taking themselves not seriously and their environments not seriously. But they know when a professional setting requires professional comportment and when it doesn't.

PHILLIP: Yes.

ROTHMAN: And that's just condescension from people who haven't spent a lot of time with working class people thinking that, well, they don't have a lot of manners. And that's just bigoted.

PHILLIP: You know, one of our panelists who comes on the show a lot, Yemisi, she described the Graham Platner situation as sort of like a cosplaying the working class. And I feel like that kind of applies here, too. It's like, you've got these politicians who want to say that they represent the working class, and they do so by claiming that the working class possesses all the worst character traits.

HINOJOSA: Yes.

PHILLIP: Like, who does that? Like, do you really hate people so much that you would say that they, they have the worst, the worst of us is what they what they represent?

HINOJOSA: Well, it's funny that you say that because whenever Donald Trump and Republicans have won in previous elections, like in 2024, for example, one of the big things we talked about is the working class had the values and felt that their values were represented in that party, right? Whether it was like Christian values in the Latino community, we saw it a ton. A lot of Catholics, they believed that Republicans were speaking to them when it came to their values. These are not the values of Latinos, the working class, or anything else.

The crazy thing about all of this and the Michelle Obama, and I think the reason why, one of the underlying reasons why it's not only racism they're not speaking out, is also Donald Trump, there seems to be some sort of jealousy of Barack -- of the Obamas. They are polling at, you know, Barack Obama, I think, is pulling at like, what, 59 percent or something along those lines as he is opening the presidential center. He seems -- he has his popularity, he has all of these things that Donald Trump could never have.

And I think they -- the fact that he his presidency was so successful, and Donald Trump will never have that, I do think that there is a sense of jealousy.

Now, if any Democrat were to say that Melania Trump looked like a man, they would be immediately -- it would be unacceptable. Democrats would be speaking out right away. And they would likely have to be fired, or they would likely have to go on air or do whatever and apologize, right.

PHILLIP: Whenever people insult Melania Trump, the White House has a big to-do about it. And then when Jake Tapper asked them to respond to exactly that, how all of this with Hokit squares with their refusal to criticize the disparaging remarks against Obama, they didn't' even respond. I mean, I don't know, I guess there are a lot of ways, you know,

Scott, you know this, that officialdom can respond to things. They don't have to put your name on it. I mean, it would be, you know, the right thing to do to put your name on it, but you don't have to. But this White House said nothing at all about it. Nothing.

MACFARLANE: There were so many avenues to condemn this racist, misogynistic smear. This was not name calling. This was smearing of a former first lady. It was done on the White House grounds. And part of the problem I have with the nonresponse from the White House is that it's not just voters hearing this. Our kids are hearing this. This makes its way to our teen and preteen kids who we now have to educate that this is not right. This is not something we do in America, even though it's been done on the White House South Lawn.

PHILLIP: Even younger kids in that. I hear from parents all the time who say, what has really changed in recent years is this permission structure, even for very young kids, to bully, to demean, to name-call people, their peers. And I mean, I hear it enough that I have to believe that it's true. And I think that we have to be honest that when at the highest offices of the land you don't kind of speak out about this stuff it does trickle down.

MACFARLANE: It does. Parenting is a team sport. It would be nice to have allies in our leaders, in those who are truly the models and symbols of our country, denouncing stuff like this unequivocally or, you know, at all.

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JONES: I think one of the things that has to be spoken out about, though, in terms of J.D. Vance, and I think the MAGA movement in general is trying to wrap this in a cloak of Christianity. I'm a licensed Baptist minister, and one of the things that I really hang my hat on is something that Jesus said in Matthew 22. He said, love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind, that is the first commandment. And the second is like it -- love your neighbor as yourself. So if what you're doing is not wrapped in love, then it has nothing to do with Christianity. This is wrapped in hate, and it has to be called out. This is not Christian. This is not working class. This is just people being hateful, racist, and mean. That's what it is.

PHILLIP: All right, next here for us, the nation's capital may soon elect a socialist mayor. Is Washington, D.C. going to be the latest city to make a hard left turn? We'll discuss that next.

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PHILLIP: Is the socialism fever spreading to the nation's capital? After New York and Seattle elected socialists as their mayors and one is advancing in L.A., the same pattern is emerging in D.C. Janeese Lewis George has won the primary there, beating a former Obama DOJ official. She's a D.C. councilmember and a self-described democratic socialist. Lewis George ran on the cost of living and standing up to Donald Trump. It's ironic, since the economic populist message mirrors what fueled Trump's rise as well. And now the president is officially putting his toe into the water, threatening to take over the city if she wins.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) U.S. PRESIDENT: I wouldn't like it. And maybe we take back Washington run it on the federal basis. We won't put up with it. We're not going to lose our businesses.

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PHILLIP: Their rise begs the question, are the nation's most populous cities veering left? And another question I have personally is, you know, even in this moment where I think, you know, Trump has amassed all this political power, it seems like what is really happening is that he's provoking a backlash in some of these cities. So is that helpful to the conservative cause?

ROTHMAN: I don't think everything orbits around Trump here. What's really fascinating is --

PHILLIP: Certainly this one does in D.C..

ROTHMAN: So here's --

PHILLIP: This election was very much about Trump.

ROTHMAN: The primary here was fascinating. Where this candidate did best, according to "The New York Times" analysis, was among white, younger voters who had been in D.C. for less than ten years, probably a lot less than ten years. It was exactly the same in in New York City under Mamdani's election, where he underperformed --

PHILLIP: Can I just say, though? I will say that the actual election results showed that she won in nearly all of the wards of D.C.

ROTHMAN: Hang on, hang on. Let me just finish the point. Take it up with "The New York Times". It's "The Times" analysis.

PHILLIP: I know, I'm just saying there's a difference between an analysis of polling data and an analysis of the actual voting.

ROTHMAN: No, this is a breakdown of votes. The primary just occurred. Where did she underperform? Older black residents who are worried about crime. Exact same with Mamdani. Mamdani's poorest performing districts in the primary were older, poorer, blacker districts. Guess what? What do they argue for? They argue for anti-ICE policies. More crime. They argue for higher taxes, push out the businesses. This is great for Democratic politicians, for DSA politicians. They push out the residents who vote against them, longtime residents who care for their cities. And they get a constituency of transplants who are there for five, ten years until they move out. They want affordability, but their political base is dedicated, constituent base is utterly dependent upon policies that push out longtime residents who care about crime, who care about a tax base.

JONES: So we just had an election like this in Philadelphia. It was the race for the third congressional district, and we had moderate Democrats against someone who was a democratic socialist, and the democratic socialist one. I think that it comes down to people wanting someone who is going to fight, even if they just sound like they're going to fight. If they sound like they're against what Donald Trump is doing, if they sound like they're going to be on the opposite side of it, if they sound like they're really going to push very hard for policies that that are different, they are going to win. And that's what happened --

ROTHMAN: You know who that sounds like to me? Republican voters in 2015. They turned absolutely against people who were actual lawmakers, who cared about policy, and went to the guy who knew nothing but who fought.

PHILLIP: Well, I think that's, this is where, you know, the shoehorn meets, meets sometimes, is that it's different versions of similar political tactics, the kind of populism that's us against them, that, you know, we have to fight against something. And I think Democrats are trying to find their footing. And this is where it's working the best in certain parts of the country where there are a lot of Democrats, like cities.

MACFARLANE: As the resident person who has been in dc for 25 years, let me tell you, Janeese Lewis George one with everybody. She crushed it. She won with people who have lived there their whole lives. She won with transplants. She won with people who live in the poorest neighborhoods in Washington, D.C. She won in seven of the eight wards. That's remarkable.

We have to stop being surprised by change agents getting nominated in Maine, in Washington, D.C., nationally, perhaps in Michigan in the coming days, because, yes, there is a starvation, a ravenous appetite for people to shake things up, which is symmetrical to what we saw in 2015 and 2016. But this is different. This in Washington, D.C., is a community that doesn't care that the fountains have been repaired as much as they care that they can't afford their rent.

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They don't care that Trump says crime is down. They don't feel safe when there's federal agents on their street, rightly or wrongly.

And respectfully, the president saying he's going to take action against a socialist candidate by taking over the city as a federal government is the ultimate irony of all.

PHILLIP: That is, that is a bit ironic.

ROTHMAN: "Change agents" is a remarkable euphemism for a socialist politician who is extracting wealth from the tax base and exporting the people who actually make cities work.

PHILLIP: It's been a moderate for 12 years, meaning the city. This is not a moderate.

ROTHMAN: And to disparage the notion that we should be cleaning up the city's infrastructure as though nobody really cares about that is disregarding the broken windows theory of --

MACFARLANE: The fountains are nice. The fountains are nice.

PHILLIP: That federal infrastructure, it's been --

MACFARLANE: But $4,000 rent is not nice.

PHILLIP: It's the responsibility of the federal government.

ROTHMAN: It is symptomatic of a city that functions --

PHILLIP: Just real quick, Xochitl. The analysis by Third Way, which a lot of liberals don't like that much, say that far-left candidates have not flipped a seat in Congress from Republican to Democrats since Trump became president in 2017, whereas moderate Democrats have flipped 50.

HINOJOSA: Yes.

PHILLIP: So there is a bit of a difference between what's happening in these deep blue cities and what might happen in Wisconsin and Michigan and wherever.

HINOJOSA: And I think that if you were a mayor, or if you were running for mayor, you can talk about affordability and there are things that you can do. There is a distrust for Congress, I think overall. They can't necessarily promise some of the things like childcare and other things. Congress is broken. And so I do think that it is in these sort of mayoral races, it is working, obviously, when a friend told me, when you go to New York City, there is this joy that is happening not only because of the Knicks, but because Mamdani is getting stuff done.

And I, a lot of people doubted him. And we thought that Donald Trump was going to go after him. And yet he forged some sort of relationship with Donald Trump. It will be interesting to see what happens here, because I do think that Donald Trump will go after D.C. almost immediately, the way he has done before. And I am not sure that she is going to play ball and have the same sort of touch that Mamdani has.

JONES: But the way D.C. is structured will allow him to do that.

HINOJOSA: Exactly. That's right. You can't do that in New York.

JONES: Can't do the same thing in other cities.

PHILLIP: That is very true.

All right, just to note, last week on the show, a guest misspoke by saying 1789 Capital received a Pentagon contract, when in fact it was another company called Vulcan Elements that got the contract. We just wanted to correct that. Next for us, some tough love from the Supernanny, but it's for the parents, not the kids. We'll discuss that next.

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PHILLIP: Welcome back. It's one of life's traditions, generations blaming the ones before. But are modern parents failing their children when it comes to the basics on everything from hygiene to table manners? Well, Supernanny, Jo Frost, thinks so.

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JO FROST, SUPERNANNY: When did we stop teaching these life skills? Independence isn't something that just happens. It's taught parents. And if we don't teach it, we can't be surprised when it's missing.

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PHILLIP: So she's talking about a lot of things there, but I think principally sort of saying like this, this delayed maturation that's happening with kids, you know, they're keeping the training wheels for too long. They're riding in strollers for too long. They're using pacifiers until they're seven. Like that's the type of thing. No, she said that. I'm not making this up.

(LAUGHTER)

HINOJOSA: And I'm reading these comments --

JONES: Four is still too old.

(LAUGHTER)

ROTHMAN: I was reading her comments, as all her complaints are like, kids don't know how to brush their teeth at nine. We have to teach kids to brush their teeth before they're nine. I'm sure everyone is nodding along, like, yes. Who is she describing? Who are these children?

PHILLIP: She's getting on electric toothbrushes, and I thought to myself, nothing is wrong with an electric toothbrush.

HINOJOSA: The dentist recommends an electric toothbrush.

JONES: Until the power goes off. You need to be able to --

PHILLIP: Are we preventing kids from just getting on with it, and, you know, like, are we coddling them for too long?

HINOJOSA: Well, I also think that there is a -- there's now you have, there is an article that came out that fathers are working just as much as mothers. Mothers are not staying home and teaching them all of these wonderful things. I do feel like this is a fast-paced environment. Yes, there could be some coddling and stuff like that, but I also do think that the children now were also raised in the pandemic. And I think that that was also a very --

PHILLIP: That's a big thing.

HINOJOSA: And I think that was also very different time where kids were at home all of the time. There were -- and parents were trying to work. And I would say that that took a toll on parents. If you ask any parent who had to teach their kids, do their job and teach their kids from home, I think that everyone was near breakdown, right? And they weren't necessarily exposed to other children, so they weren't exposed to different conversations with other children or just older peers or anything like that.

PHILLIP: I know a lot of parents who have pandemic anxiety and don't want to let their children sort of out of their sight for that reason. That is also a thing that I've noticed a lot.

HINOJOSA: And kids don't like leaving the house sometimes, too.

PHILLIP: Yes, yes.

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MACFARLANE: The Pandemic also scared the hell out of the kids. If you had kids of a certain age like I did, all we did was tell them, don't touch things so you don't get sick. Don't leave the house so that the family stays safe. It's hard to unlearn those lessons.

But also, part of this, the Supernanny is not off on the basic premise that they need more independence. Yes, but we don't want the type of independence I see out of some kids my kids age where we're earbud cellphone, walking around on our own independence. We want a social independence, where we know how to communicate with each other, where we know how to go up to people, have a conversation, look people eye- to-eye, be ambitious, resourceful, and enterprising. I like that idea of let's try to inculcate our kids with those skills.

JONES: Well, my kids are young adults, and so -- my son is 21. My daughter is 24, and I have an older child who is in her early 30s. But when I look at the kids who grew up in the pandemic, my daughter graduated during the pandemic from high school, and she's standing there in our living room looking at her screen crying with a cap and gown on. And so that kind of stuff is traumatizing. But we raise them to be independent. We didn't coddle them when she became of age. She left and got her own place. And she doesn't ask me for money all the time.

MACFARLANE: There it is.

JONES: She does ask, but not all the time. And so, you know, I see that as a win. You should raise your kids to be independent. Black folks call it home training. You train your kids to be independent, to leave you and be adults on their own.

ROTHMAN: That is just it, right? And I don't think anybody would disagree with what she's saying. And the screens are a problem. The screens are mood-altering. I've experienced that. I'm sure everyone has. But if we're going to have a problem with delayed maturation and in kids, we're going to have a problem with delayed maturation across the board from life stages literally all the way up into adulthood. And kids are getting their jobs later, kids are moving out later, kids are getting married later. All of these stages are being delayed progressively as the generations mature. And if there's a problem with the young ones, and I agree it is, then it's a problem everywhere.

PHILLIP: And I don't want to -- it's not great to compare your own childhood always to things that are going on, but I think one of the things that I notice so acutely, when I was a kid, we would just be outside.

HINOJOSA: Yes.

PHILLIP: And our parents, they'd just be like, get back when the street lights go on. And they had no idea what we were doing. And we would ride the bikes at an insane pace down the hill, and like, do really unsafe things. And that was part of childhood. And now I feel like even as a parent, it's like it feels unacceptable to even let your kid do that now, even if you wanted to. That's part of what is --

HINOJOSA: And it also depends where you live in some instances. When I lived in central D.C., when crime was high, I was not going to let my kid just wander the street. Now, you know, my kids go to their neighbor's house, et cetera.

Also, the Supernanny has not met a three-year-old little girl before, because those little girls that are coming up are independent as hell. And I am not sure if she wants to hang out with my daughter or I'm sure Abby's daughter, they will, she will change her mind about the independence of little girl.

PHILLIP: Yes. Yes, Supernanny Jo, come to my house. You will see.

Next for us the, the panel's unpopular opinions, what they are not afraid to say out loud.

But first, this Sunday, as the World Cup captures the attention of soccer fans all across the globe, get an inside look at Team USA. The CNN flash doc "Chasing Soccer Glory, America's Long Game", airs Sunday night at 8:00 p.m., or you can watch it on the CNN app.

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PHILLIP: We're back, and it's time for your unpopular opinions. Scott, you're up first.

MACFARLANE: Got your oven mitts on. Got a hot take for you, Abby. It's hot.

PHILLIP: Yes. Ready.

MACFARLANE: Why don't we just ban the sweat pants in school? Why the hell is everybody wearing sweatpants in school? PHILLIP: Amen. OK.

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PHILLIP: No more.

MACFARLANE: Oven mitt on oven mitt, let's do it.

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MACFARLANE: We are not teaching resourcefulness, ambition, and enterprise if we let people roll around with sweatpants in school. I went to speak to my kids' classes in high school. I learned a lot of things about fashion in the process. The sweatpants are contagious. It's omnipresent.

PHILLIP: It's like a uniform.

MACFARLANE: You've got to show up like ready to work, and it's just a bad visual that you're there, ready to work.

PHILLIP: I've been amazed. Yes, it's like a little uniform for these kids. They go to school in sweatpants, and then they look all -- they all look the same. And I'm like, is that the point?

HINOJOSA: This isn't an unpopular opinion, actually.

PHILLIP: Anyway, Solomon.

MACFARLANE: Not a very hot take, was it?

JONES: Well, my unpopular opinion is soccer must be stopped. It is a boring sport. And I'm sorry, I know it's the world's most popular sport, but it's boring. It's like watching paint dry. And you know, we're in Philly, we're taking their money right now. They're there for the World Cup. So I say it with respect, soccer must be stopped.

PHILLIP: Respectfully.

JONES: That's right.

PHILLIP: That's kind of how I feel about baseball. But OK, Xochitl?

HINOJOSA: OK, so you'll only agree with me if you're a Texan, but Whataburger I believe is better than In-n-Out, Shake Shack, and Five Guys. I know, I know. Whataburger is the best out there.

PHILLIP: That that counts as an unpopular opinion. Noah?

ROTHMAN: I don't even know if this is unpopular. I only think it is because you see all these ads for digital calendars and schedulers. And there's no replacement for the Post-It note.

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The Post-It note is the most superior reminder. You should see my desk. They're all over my monitors. They're all over every book. I'm starting to migrate down to the fridge, Post-it on Post-It note. There's no need for any replacement for the Post-It note. Embrace it.

PHILLIP: I don't think anybody has tried to replace the Post-It note, now that I think about it.

HINOJOSA: I lived in your home --

PHILLIP: I'm with it. I --

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HINOJOSA: I'm like, what are these?

ROTHMAN: You would have a throwdown, because I live on the Post-It. And I'd be so disorganized.

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PHILLIP: All right, everyone, thank you so much. Thanks for watching "TABLE FOR FIVE".

In case you missed it, I've got an exciting new show available to stream right now. It's called "Confessions and Obsessions." I sit with a group of familiar faces as they reveal some things they want to get off their chest, some things they cannot stop thinking about, and some things that they probably shouldn't say out loud. Our first episode touches on etiquette, Botox, young people's opinions, and so much more. You can stream that show anytime with an all-access subscription in the CNN app, or at CNN.com/Watch. I'll see you there.

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