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The Van Jones Show

Life Savers

Aired November 19, 2014 - 21:00   ET


MIKE ROWE, "SOMEBODY'S GOTTA DO IT" HOST: Disaster City, College Station, Texas, where first responders run head long into danger to train for almost anything they might face out in the world. I'm going to join them and see what it's like to look fire in the eyes or at least that was the plan. Until suffer a freak ankle injury, which I then had to explain to TMZ at the airport.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dude what happened to the foot there?

ROWE: Ripcord didn't open in time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ripcord, what? Where?

ROWE: I was parachuting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get out of here.

ROWE: Out to the Gulf of Mexico and I pulled my main cord and actually totally failed, my reserve chute (inaudible). But I was so close to the surface. When I landed a Great White had just surfaced and my foot hit the top Great White and I rolled over it. Anyhow I slam to the shore.


ROWE: Checked in my hotel, just to kind of collect my thoughts. So I was walking to the mini bar and twisted my ankle.

OK, so just the last part was true. Sue me. I love lying to the paparazzi. Anyway my ankle is still killing me. But the show must go on and nothing will keep me away from Disaster City.

So this is going to be the story of a lot of some place. Fire fighters, paramedics even makeup artist. All in one place that aims to have every kind of emergency scenario covered. Right now though, the somebody at the moment this is certain ex-president confusing my navigator.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So they've name everything George Bush here. It's a George Bush Library, George Bush Drive, George Bush Avenue.

ROWE: That's funny. So here we're at Disaster City. No.


ROWE: Missed the turn didn't he?


ROWE: It's Disaster City. What could possible go wrong? George Bush highway or it just George Bush lane.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Or George Bush Drive.

ROWE: You're in George Bush Way right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very easy to get confuse, but this is George Bush Way.

ROWE: Well, here we're disaster -- no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Take two. Hold on, I just want to make sure you are ready.

ROWE: Is this it? Wow, this is pretty big.


ROWE: Yeah, big is understatement. This palace is actually an extension of Texas A&M where they've created pretty much every kind of emergency scenario you can think of. They've got building collapses and train derailments, airlines crashes, tornadoes, search and rescue and fires galore.

My plan was to try and give you a sense the place by walking in the boots of Americans first responders. Instead I'm wearing a slightly different type of boot and assuming of less glamorous but far more common role, victim (ph). First stop moulage, a fancy word for disaster makeup.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can hit him here.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where it (inaudible) less.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, no. I wanted to go right up the elbow too.

THOMPSON: But we'd like to do moulage, it looks they wreck. Well there's always so much we can do.

ROWE: So the reason this is important that is because if condition the first responder, so that the first time they show up in an actual real life situation it does feel like the first time?


ROWE: Hey Chris (ph).

CRIS (PH): Yes, sir.

ROWE: Come over here a second. You're a paramedic. CRIS (PH): Yeah.

ROWE: Back in the day?

CRIS (PH): Fire fighter paramedic, yeah.

ROWE: Yeah. Look at my ankle. Tell me what you would do?

CRIS (PH): Just ice in that and you're going to be all right. That's all there is to it. She need to find ice band aid right at your knee (inaudible).


Yes, its official my ankle is still sprained. In fact it starting to feel a lot like my arm looks.

So in real time I get in there we start shooting, you start drilling. Time you get through there. Get me the thing, pull me out, hoist me through and take out, it's probably 45 minutes.

SMITH: 45 minutes to an hour, yup. So do you need to pee?

ROWE: I just did.

SMITH: Good you go. That's going...

ROWE: Still and...

SMITH: And done.

ROWE: So I assumed the role of a victim. Finally my ship is coming. Smithy?

SMITH: Your up.

ROWE: Shall we?


ROWE: Aw. Oh, this isn't good. In fact it's about as bad as it get, you're in a parking garage, you minding your own business and there's a earthquake or a boom or anyone of hundred dozen disaster. The point is pinned in a car and there's not a think you can do, except pray and wait and hope that somebody comes along with some jack hammers, which I'm assured is about to happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Search and rescue.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Search and rescue. Can anybody hear me?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Search and rescue.


ROWE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you trapped?

ROWE: I'm trapped, I'm in the car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're in a car?

ROWE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. What top injuries do you have? Are you bleeding?

ROWE: Yes, I believe I am. My arm does not look like an arm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, what is your name?

ROWE: My name is Mike.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mike, OK. Where from search and rescue we're going to try to get you out of here as quickly as possible.

ROWE: That would be great.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, we're going to...

ROWE: My plan was to join the guys on the roof with the jack hammers and punch our way through to save unfortunate victim. Plan has change.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mike, I'm going to stick a camera on this whole, so you're going to see something come down through there and I'm going to get a visual.

ROWE: All right.

Normally, I hate to act on nonfiction television show. But this whole place is basically one giant simulation and beside there are no shortage of cameras pointing at me.

Get another GoPro in here. I can even see you. We got one, two, three, four, five, six. I don't know that there even been -- there's many camera pointed at me once.


ROWE: Here at Disaster City we're about to resolve that cliffhanger we left you with. Will I be saved from the wreckage?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, Mike we're coming for you.

ROWE: I'll give you hint. I'm fine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's strap. I tell you what? If you can lay your head back.

ROWE: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gently. There we go. Down right here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to (inaudible). Are you all right, Mike?

ROWE: I'm good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So if I get you to come down here please.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then I'll get up there and then we'll lift him right out.


ROWE: Yes, I'm a three man job.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One, two, three. All right.


ROWE: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. One, two, three, OK. All right, hang on. You want -- you get him from there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we'll get his leg.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can see good leverage here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mike, this is going to be bumpy when you land, OK?

ROWE: All right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One, two, three.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, rotate him back.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's clear the hole.


ROWE: Who just call.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Missing the leg - We're getting off here, right here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You've been rescued. ROWE: One minute I was in Nissan 300 in a collapse garage and (inaudible). Courtesy of Daniel and Joe and who is the other one? Is that Smithy?


ROWE: I can't really felt from this angle. Great job guys. (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not as bad as I though it's going to be.

ROWE: Come on you'd be honest.

It was the scene like this that got Disaster City stated by the somebody in question. A career fire fighter name Billy Parker after the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Billy realized there was no training facility for that particular circumstance and whole of other since then Billy has been on the front line of some of the countries biggest disasters from 9/11 to Hurricane Katrina.

ROWE: Tell me what just happen down there.

BILLY PARKER CAREER FIRE FIGHTER: Well we were simulating the bombing in a parking garage.

ROWE: Yes.

PARKER: Like the 93 World Trade Center bombing.

ROWE: Right.

PARKER: Disaster City is a complex and build to trained (inaudible) search and rescue program.

ROWE: Billy also has Parkinson's disease, struggle with it for the last 12 years. He comes to work anyway, everyday.

PARKER: You can see several different building that started to collapse.

ROWE: Right.

PARKER: Simulate real world with experience. The collapse over here was simulating the 1985 earthquake of Mexico City.

ROWE: This is amazing, really amazing. So are guys all fire fighters or paramedics or both or?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're staff here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're working full time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Full time (inaudible). ROWE: Full time staff.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We help bring in the structures from around the country that teach their classes here and to prepare people for this kind of disaster.

ROWE: Got you, so you guys will with me all day?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'll be around.

ROWE: You'll be around all day?

PARKER: Yes, sir.

ROWE: All these people being around all day. Why don't we go over to the fire fighter area like sit down and talk with more there and then just kind of wondering around and get a sense of what's goes on.

PARKER: OK, affirmative.

ROWE: That's right. Let's do that.

When did you get in to fighting do you remember?

PARKER: Well a good friend of mind was my -- his (inaudible) was a fire chief and past the law.

ROWE: Yeah.

PARKER: He died in explosion and it got me begin some like we like to do, serve with the fellow man.

ROWE: How many people do you think you've trained personally where Disaster City is trained just in the whole area of first response?

PARKER: (inaudible) train day in 1,000 people a year, on average. Half many years.

ROWE: Yeah. You love what you do.

PARKER: I love it. My granddad said if you get a job you love, you (inaudible) day in you life.

ROWE: You have Parkinson's disease?

PARKER: Yes, sir.

ROWE: How long you that?

PARKER: About 12 years.

ROWE: What that like in terms of affecting your work?

PARKER: Well I can't do something that I use to.

ROWE: But you're here everyday, you're engaged. PARKER: My mind is clear.

ROWE: Yeah, all right. What can I see here today? I mean only got a day with (inaudible). I'd like to see some fire response.

PARKER: Well you can see some fire, plenty of fire, all the fire you want.

ROWE: All right.

So I wrangler to seat in a golf cart, got myself hook up with the driving tour from Billy and Robert Moore who's the direct of the Brayton Fire Field.

ROBERT MOORE, DIRECT OF THE BRAYTON FIRE FIELD: All of these props simulate an industrial type situation. Over on this side you have the concrete buildings. This is where municipal guys go in and learn how to deal with interior structural fire fighting. We hire industrial instructor people that came from industry to train industrial fire fighters. We hire municipal fire -- instructors to train our municipal fire fighters. We pride ourselves for having the most realistic industrial props in the world

ROWE: I mean it's such a big claim, I got to think that.

MOORE: Yes, sir.

ROWE: I mean all over the world people must be focus on the same kind of thing. Why is this so superior?

MOORE: The reason that I can say that these are the most realistic is we train fire fighters from all over the world not just here in the United States or in the state of Texas. They come to this, our training facility. But then also we're hired or contracted by a lot of different training facilities all over the world to come in and help them design their industrial props.

ROWE: So even all over the world doing this?

MOORE: We've been all over the world doing this. You respond how you trained. And that's why it's so important to have realism because their going to respond in a real situation just like they trained at any training facility.

ROWE: For better or worst.

MOORE: For better of worst.

ROWE: We stopped and it makes me go "Holly crap, look at that."

MOORE: This whole thing should have gave you that "Holly crap".

ROWE: I think I got it.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) ROWE: Next lesson how to put out a gigantic chemical fire. The guys are helping get the proper gear together. But I seem to be missing one important item.

What up with the mustaches here man? Everybody's got one.

ROGIER: Back in the old days the firemen would use to mustache as a filter but this before STBA's or anything like that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They'd take a wet handkerchief fill their mustache in front it and then they would put it in front of their face and like..

ROWE: Was it true why you guys are just...

ROGIER: That's folklore brother. I don't know if it's true. But that's what we're taught.

ROWE: So Jimmy is assembling a nest for me right now. I overheard just Smithy correctly earlier he was telling Troy you never mess with a firemen's nest.

SMITH: That's correct.

ROWE: Why is that Smithy?

SMITH: Because this is your life. Right here this is your - your PPE is your life on a fire. You don't mess with somebody's protective gear, ever.

ROWE: It's like a survival suit up on the (inaudible) or something, right? Something goes bad you're like...

ROGIER: Yes, that's part of our job, when things go bad that's when were there.

ROWE: Yes. How long have you been doing this?

ROGIER: I've been a firefighter for 20 years. But I've been in the current department that I'm at, 14.

ROWE: And what's the name of the department exactly?

ROGIER: The (inaudible) Fire Department (inaudible).

ROWE: Got it and so what do you here specifically? Are you a...

ROGIER: Specifically here I am a marine instructor. I teach shift board firefighting and offshore hovering firefighting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look what I found.

ROWE: Joe (ph), what's going on?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you doing?

ROWE: I'm great man. How are you?


ROWE: There are a lot of you. Everybody's got the same damn mustache. Look at that.

I went out and joined a team. Where were learning how to put out a roaring industrial fire. Had I known, I'd grown a mustache yesterday.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All one, and left, cooling down.

ROWE: So what we're watching right now is basically -- this is chemical fire on top of water?


ROWE: So is it oil? Is it gas? What exactly is burning?


ROWE: Just regular water right on the...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is regular water. Ultimately you want to use foam but what we do is teach these guys how to do it with water in case they run out of foam. We're getting really to take -- our guys can't see (inaudible). You want to come with me?

ROWE: I do. Tell again what's in here exactly?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is sodium bicarbonate.

ROWE: It's baking soda?

So let's try a little baking soda on the fire.

I don't feel as though we put that out. That's definitely not out.

So the moral of the story is always have some foam nearby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. If you're dealing with fuel you want foam.

ROWE: A big part of working on any disaster is having to deal with the press so here they not only teach you how to put out literal fires but also how to handle the kind of heat the kind of heat that comes from a 24 hour news cycle.

So you have people here who are also yelling out questions?


ROWE: That was who is ever standing behind the podium?


ROWE: I'd do that. That'd be fun. One person located have been trapped in the parking garage. Taskforce was able to successfully extricate that person from the garage. The person has sustained injuries to his left forearm, suffered a sprained ankle. I'm sure there is -- what can you tell us about the victim? Like a very loaded, devastating handsome man.


ROWE: Well liked by...


ROWE: Dozens of people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And mostly children.

ROWE: All right, so that's the job. Somebody has to do this. Somebody has to be a public information officer. Somebody has to stand in front of a podium and relay the information at hand and take questions. I will do that. Oh Jeez.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, the press corp. has been assembled and they are ready for you statement.

ROWE: OK, then off we go.

Good afternoon. I like to make a brief statement before we take questions. This morning at approximately 9:30 a.m. an explosion occurred in the government building in Disaster City, Texas. One person was located that had been trapped in the parking garage. Texas Taskforce, one was able to successfully extricate that person from the garage. Good news. The person rescued sustained injuries to his left forearm and suffered a sprained ankle. If there any questions I can take them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who are you? And who do you (inaudible).

ROWE: One at a time, please.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your name?

ROWE: Yes?



ROWE: I've seen a lot of terrifying things during my visit to Disaster City. Nothing quite as scary as what's next. Its time to meet the press.

ROEW: One at a time, please.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your name?

ROWE: Yes?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have a name?

ROWE: You can call me Mike.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who do you representing Mike?

ROWE: I represent the citizens, the people who are watching.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What agency are you with?

ROWE: I'm with no agency at this point and time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there any proof to the rumor that this accident was actually caused by the victim who it seems was a former T.V. Host who was despondent over his show being canceled?

ROWE: Yes, at this point and time we are not ruling anything out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mike, I have another question. Were you able to speak with the person who was trapped and were they able to share with you their thoughts and feelings while they were in ruble?

ROWE: I can tell you that the person who was rescued exhibited extraordinarily levels of gratitude, relief and a kind on wee.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ladies and gentlemen we have time for one more question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How come you wont you answer any of our questions?

ROWE: That's an excellent question. I'm not going to answer it. This has been fascinating. I appreciate all of your questions. Thank you. I will be back in approximately 30 seconds.

Let's just call that a learning experience?

How'd I do?

PARKER: Pretty good.

ROWE: Yes. Are you going to give me something?

PARKER: Yes sir. We appreciate your time here.

ROWE: Yes.

PARKER: Let's put in to you with (inaudible) school helmet.

ROWE: That is -- you sure you wanted to say instructor?

PARKER: Yes sir.

ROWE: I'm not sure I earned that. That is really, really great. Billy Parker, thanks so much. Want to see a really tiny house? Well there it is. This is a tiny house. Somebody is building a bunch of very small houses outside the small town of Luling, in the very large State of Texas. Pretty nice houses too.

Any minute now the man who runs the tiny house place will be coming up this long drive way in his tiny car. Any minute now and we are going to meet him and we're going to talk to him. And we're going to find out why he is building these tiny little houses.

But this guy word is he's unpredictable. And sure enough here he is walking up from the other direction.

Hey how are you?


ROWE: Mike.

KITTEL: Nice to meet you, Mike.

ROWE: Pleasure.

KITTEL: Welcome to my little innovation.

ROWE: I love it. Is that what it is?

KITTEL: Yes. Well it's actually going to be I think it's Salvage, Texas.

ROWE: Yes.

KITTEL: Here in Texas we got 54 people that can vote. You can become the corporate in town. You have your own police force, have your own building code.

ROWE: Is that the goal?

KITTEL: That's the objective, absolutely.

ROWE: And just like that we're off.

What's your full name?

KITTEL: You can call me Darby. But I go by Brad Kittel.

ROWE: Brad Kittel

KITTEL: Brad Kittel. That's - everybody knows Brad Kittel. Darby for my friends.

ROWE: What do you prefer? Can I be your friend?

KITTEL: Darby, means Ybrad backwards.

ROWE: What? KITTEL: Ybrad.

ROWE: Darby.

KITTEL: Y-B-R-A-D. Darby.

ROWE: I'm Michael Rowe, so that be E-W-O-R L-E-A-H-C-H-I-M.

KITTEL: I'm glad I wouldn't be stuck with that one.

ROWE: Yeah, you go you with Darby and I'll go with Mike. I would.

KITTEL: You're in front of Tiny Texas House's headquarters and that's Manifestation Bay. And Manifestation Bay is where I create the tiny houses.

ROWE: OK, so I'd figure we could a microphone on you and then you can show...

KITTEL: Let me go and brush my teeth real quick and you can - I need to brush my hair. I'm looking like crazy and you're looking all conservative.

ROWE: Get the teeth too while you're at.

KITTEL: Mine are natural and they're all here, man.

ROWE: That's what happened before we even put the microphone on the guy. I quickly learned that Darby has been salvaging old housing material for most of his life. He's got of plenty everything including an outstanding collection of doorknobs.

KITTEL: I have one of the largest collections of doorknobs in the country because I was the President of the Antique Doorknob Collectors and Vice President for a number of years.

ROWE: Excuse me, but how many members does the doorknob collectors guild have?

KITTEL: I suspect a few hundred maybe at any moment and time, 300 or 400.

ROWE: That's cool.

KITTEL: This an art made of gold piece. You can see a little cabin door in the wood. This is brass. We can't even get this quality, brass because of how much copper is in it that's why it turns so dark.

ROWE: Cast iron even.

KITTEL: Look at some of this stuff. Even were the backs were decorated, concave fronts.

ROWE: You're right. No, back in the day they would decorate stuff that nobody ever saw.

KITTEL: Before taxes in 1895 and the depression of 1895, rich people can have jewelry like this even their names on all their knobs.

ROWE: Do you think we'll see a day again when we can get our names on our knobs?


ROWE: After we finished our knob talk I discovered that Darby also collects interns.

Jerry (ph), nice to meet you. Hey David (ph), how are you.

SABRINA (PH): Hey, Sabrina (ph).

ROWE: Hi (Sabrina). Mike. This is the intern program?

KITTEL: This is my interns that are here. Actually we're half way around the globe. Jerry (ph) came from China.

ROWE: Yes.

KITTEL: David's (ph) in from Boondocks. Go ahead. What's the town again?

DAVID (PH): Oklahoma City.

KITTEL: Yeah, which to me is Boondocks state.

ROWE: I never did find out where Sabrina (ph) was from because we move on to Darby's master plan for his 43 acres.

KITTEL: I'm trying to create a model with the 33 acres. We're going to be building 15 tiny one acres buildings.

ROWE: Is just like a commune?

KITTEL: Commune, community, unity through communion at the table.

ROWE: I got it. Well I don't have it yet but I...

KITTEL: Family house is unique, your master suites, your bathroom, your kitchenette. You can get energy efficiency, self cool them. I can make portable and they can stay you for the rest of your life. You don't need to have an architect's license. I don't have an engineer's license. I don't need to have a contractor's license to do what I do. I won't mention that. You know I didn't mean that except that I learned a lot of things (inaudible).

ROWE: This everything you need to know about the tiny homes. All the information is written at a tiny font. Put into a very, very tiny book. You know what should get man you should get a tiny little coffee table.

So you're on a mission?


ROWE: What is the mission?

KITTEL: 20,0000 houses in Detroit destroyed last year and thrown away. 50 percent of our landfills are building materials. All the parts we need are right around this, if we just quit blowing them up. We have the largest standing natural forest in the world.

ROWE: Right around here?

KITTEL: Disguised as old buildings, old barns and old houses.

ROWE: Darby is making new houses 10 times smaller than the average American home.

Give me the average square footage and...

KITTEL: Goodness, 350 taxable. I say taxable, because in Texas it's under 5'8" it's taxable as living space. So you store your bedroom upstairs in the storage space if you choose. So I don't have a 360 square foot taxable house.

ROWE: This can't exist without a series of loopholes through which you can...

KITTEL: I'm loophole lover.

ROWE: You're a guy -- Yes, well angles. You're finding the angle.

Darby has an angle on pretty much everything including an angle on my ankle.

Yeah, that is old.

KITTEL: That is nice and old, yes. That is also nice and old and from Europe.

ROWE: Wow, I was going to - that looks like.

KITTEL: I collect things. Because your ankles should be healed in about two days using green light therapy.

ROWE: In case you missed it on TMZ, a couple of days ago I was in my hometown of Baltimore and I did a number on my ankle.


ROWE: Do you where were going?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I know where we're going.

ROWE: My parents whisk me off for X-ray which was fun. The doctor told me there was no fracture which was great. But that I should keep my weight off of my ankle for the immediate future. So I came down to Texas in the immediate present to shoot the show and put loads of weight on my ankle which now hurts incredibly badly. But really does Darby have an answer for that. KITTEL: Me and my therapist simply take in two green filters and you put them on the front of 500 watt projector and that's the life - that's the human of frequency of the body. You're heart shock wears green.

ROWE: Can we do that before we leave today?

KITTEL: Absolutely.

ROWE: I don't want to...

KITTEL: No, I have healed so many ankles like this...

ROWE: Because my ankle is driving out my mind.

KITTEL: Not to mention where I'm taking you down to only is my house there's a little hole. I haven't told you about my hole?

ROWE: Right now you're hole is a source of great mystery.

KITTEL: We're going to have to try to get you down there, OK?

ROWE: It's the more things you say the more questions I have. And the more I realize we're never going to finish. But sometimes the Jerry's are more interesting than...


KITTEL: (inaudible) what's it all about, it's what you came for

ROWE: That's what we're here.

KITTEL: That's exactly why were here.

ROWE: Take me on a journey Darby.

KITTEL: Let's go. I don't use all the conventional materials that you're supposed to use to be able to pass code.


ROWE: Outside of Darby's office is another vast array of materials used to build his tiny houses. But for Darby, it's more an ethos than a business.

KITTEL: To create a concept, you have to have a way for crossing away over a bunch of people into this new renaissance of salvage, salvage buildings, salvage living.

OK, if I send out a family, you and four boys and a wife has always got job but four of you glad there was human energy and you can take down a barn in one week with enough materials to build two tiny houses with. You build those two tiny houses as a group, it might take you a month. But that's $50,000 house and a place for living for the rest of your life that you can take with you all the way through the system. ROWE: A mobile home.

KITTEL: Not a mobile home which it price of $500 builder's license, $500 broken license, $500 salesmen's license, $500 delivery license, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

I put a frame custom built to go under it, pick it up, take where I want, the trailer, drop it off, pulling back out and leave it. Pick the house up, put up on blocks, use your trail for three years and then put it back under it again.

ROWE: So in the sense even though the houses are mobile they're not mobile houses.

KITTEL: Not mobile house.

ROWE: Not mobile homes.

KITTEL: Loophole.

ROWE: Got it.

You want loopholes? Darby's got them, a long with a whole a lot of doors.

KITTEL: This is doors to go from away in Buffalo, in New York, in Chicago, St. Louis, and Lincoln Nebraska, all over United States, where they just throw them away otherwise.

All the this stuff just happens to be usable for almost anything you want to use it for. Transoms, for a double home sash, these way in packages, still banded together to ship, up and lower sash to be shipped anywhere in Texas and the tree was cut from by the looks of (inaudible) on side of the cypress is probably 455 years old.

ROWE: OK, it's suppose for fishing.

KITTEL: Here you go.

ROWE: How many doors you have?

KITTEL: 3,000.

ROWE: Do you have an inventory anywhere, a manifest?

At this point, it's really not so much about recycled doors and tiny houses. I just want to hear the guy philosophies.

KITTEL: If I can take an old town who's dying on the vine but it has asset and resources, old buildings, old houses, all kind of stuff. And I give the kids to reason to stay because they can be taken those to be make it money and they can be old folks who live in two rooms in this big old house on the farm and let them get it down before it sells to the corporations and are producing jobs.

ROWE: It's basically recycling on steroids? KITTEL: Yes, a metaphor speaking I can put somebody into a natural organic house, no plastics, no vinyl, no sachet wrap. And I can do it without using any energy, I have my energy bank before I move in the house. If I used cast iron sink, if I use my old glass, if use windows which I'll prove to be more energy efficient, if (inaudible) strip them and do the bottom that last longer and/or go more energy efficient because I don't using the energy to make them.

ROWE: You just hit me with AirGo man.

KITTEL: Yes, AirGo. Yes, anyway...

ROWE: AirGo we see the homes thus we follow...

KITTEL: (inaudible) houses.

ROWE: ... verily and pursuits.

KITTEL: Off we go.

ROWE: It so fast though.

Ultimately, Darby's houses are lovely, livable, and built out of 98 percent salvage material. He ships the dainty domiciles all over the country and this one is just about ready for a client outside Cincinnati.

KITTEL: That's Ach Brownie (ph). Brownie (ph) is just a little spirit who cleans up the houses for you and take care every house for you over England and Europe (inaudible). Bench porch, so this closed down for transport, you just lifted up, pull the post, pulled it down, and look it down, unbolt the bottom. It's also Ohio. This is like six different houses with the windows on it.

ROWE: That's great man. That really looks great.

KITTEL: All of all little piece that would only see thrown away, I'm telling that all these pieces like these are not a scrap, guys. So what do we do to them? OK, this is what we do to them.

This is 11 by 18, under 200 square foot. Typically building code (inaudible) to portable building doesn't require permits or code to part it on your backyard as affordable building.

ROWE: Is that in Texas or pretty much everywhere?

KITTEL: Nothings everywhere I've learned.

ROWE: Yes.

KITTEL: Nothing is everywhere.

ROWE: And where is this going? Ohio?

KITTEL: Is this going into Ohio? Come on in.

ROWE: Darby is clear the master of making the most out of old material and 200 square feet.

It's kind of cool.

KITTEL: Why should I use a double wall when I can build walls out of an inch and a thick of that quality wood, it's that's strong.

ROWE: All right, now this is cool.

KITTEL: This is the shower. This is using 1880 (inaudible) metal shingles. And you see to (inaudible) dents on them but it lasted a hundreds years.

ROWE: Shingles from 1880.

KITTEL: Yeah. Interlocking.

ROWE: And this is the garnet we saw up here.

KITTEL: Right and everything is costume built into the wall. We don't built the cabin and bring it in. We build it into wall.

ROWE: So bathroom straight to the kitchen.

KITTEL: Right. Bathroom to the kitchen, which someone women don't like, so there's other plan, this is one. And the refrigerator right here. You would reach under if you want to do your induction plates, just bring it up and cook microwave (inaudible) so I built something that cover it up. You can have -- don't look at it and then...

ROWE: You really hate the microwave.

KITTEL: Well, I don't believe in cooking with them because you just destroy a lot of the nutrition element of the food. And why would I want to eat food that is (inaudible).

Oh yes, if you want to go up stairs, now this ones shipping short. Short means that I built the four inches shorter than the other so that I can go ahead and get down to highway easier, because the trail is on the interstate, the rules are al little bit different, you got to by way route they send you.

ROWE: So obviously this is the master bedroom.

KITTEL: That would be gusted in her case. She's old age and not likely go to up there for much more of the storage, but for grand kids and visitors, it's a perfect.

ROWE: So you could put up like now -- I guess you really could I'm just telling a Murphy bed or something like that.

KITTEL: Oh I've done Murphy beds, lots of them. And that's how I put there normal, is Murphy bed about five foot wide or double Murphy bed right there to pull down this way, show up on the back, pull down table becomes a three use feet.

ROWE: How much this cost KITTEL: This is about 65 grand.

ROWE: $65,000.

KITTEL: Which is stainless a steel. You got pieces of wood on the wall for example, this is all long (inaudible) that would normally sell for $5 a square foot for any pieces of surface area, floor, exterior walls. Like all the customer jam. I had to jam all these. If you've ever done any work with wood jam and arch is the hardest thing you put it all through.

ROWE: Yeah.

From the fairly small Ach Brownie we moved into the truly tiny white swan.

KITTEL: This is the tinny tiny and white swan and what is it is one of two that we built out of the ugly ducking which is the boot camp we gave on how to turn down an ugly. And we took down the house and one day who is on town and all the lumber went to make in this plus I got windows for my collection.

ROWE: Total square footage?

KITTEL: Exterior measurement, 88 square feet down stairs, up stairs it doesn't count. OK, storage-based.

ROWE: In cold world.

KITTEL: Yes, in cold world. But I actually got another 70 feet upstairs.

ROWE: Darby claims there's enough room upstairs for double bed, the shower and the toilet which I like to see from myself.

KITTEL: This is whole that double to queen size bed up stairs.

ROWE: Right.

KITTEL: It have a sit down shower in this corner over here with a treasure pot.

ROWE: A treasure pot?

KITTEL: Which is basically your human (inaudible) toilet. Yeah, the nutrients are treasure and rather than thrown away you want to recycle them and compose to them

At this is end you're probably still short to being able to stand up straight, pretty close. Here you go?

ROWE: Yeah, I can stand up here.

KITTEL: So that's where I put the little shower.

ROWE: What? Are you going to put a shower here? KITTEL: If you were sitting there (inaudible) anyway would be commode area. You just sit down on a little stool and you can wash out, kind of spray off and wash off and clean up and...

ROWE: Right.

KITTEL: And then you can be able to step out in that window and that's going to take you out to the roof.

ROWE: I didn't realize that, that we got a deck.

KITTEL: Can you step out on there, you can actually able to sit up there with a sleeping bag, it's a great low pitchy.

ROWE: Yes.

KITTEL: And it actually hold your weight. Look at you.

ROWE: This is good?

KITTEL: Yeah, I believe you're fine. Go ahead test it.

ROWE: And this is the corrugated tin (ph) we saw out there.

KITTEL: Correct.

ROWE: So that's your roof.

KITTEL: With the (inaudible) seal...

ROWE: Right.

KITTEL: ... for three years.

ROWE: So you can put up a little railing and a decent cut. This is....


KITTEL: It's also interesting as we get older and we finally need so much less. You have these big ass houses, you get, "I've been in that section for a long time."

ROWE: Right.

KITTEL: All the extra antiques, all the things you picked up over the years and you're anchoring yourself down with (inaudible).

ROWE: Yes.

KITTEL: I let my ex like 48 square meter foot house. We used 500 square feet.

ROWE: Well, look if you know that sooner or later she's going to turn in to the ex-wife it's nice to have about 5,000 square feet spread out a bit, like you really don't want to come face to face with serious marital drama in a 88 square foot living room


ROWE: I between it's the dog house.


ROWE: So Darby Kittel makes a nice tiny house but the critical question, can he heal my ankle with the green light.

KITTEL: You simply put it really close to where the affected area is.

ROWE: That's it

KITTEL: And then envision yourself actually absorbing, breathing it in, so as you're imagining as you inhale, inhale through your foot.


KITTEL: It's like that you're inhaling the air but you're inhaling energy. These are two things we take in at the same time. You'll feel light sensation, nothing terrible dramatic just a nice simply most tingling feel.

This about 15minutes is you all do. So you pretty much (inaudible) about. A little of an effect kind of it. Ideally what you want to do is in morning first thing, when you're tuning your body. You're just coming back in to your body for sleep 15 minutes for first thing in the morning and then 15 minutes as you go bed at night. So you can now focus on this to heal and see it healed, not see it injured.

ROWE: That sound kind of far out but it does.

Yeah, it looks got to far out. But I think that missing the point, even Darby knows it far out the point is Darby is a kind of guy who believe that the first step of doing something big or small is believing you can do it.

KITTEL: Two factors like anything else if you don't believe it work it will reduce the effectiveness of it

ROWE: But you can understand the skepticism that comes.

KITTEL: The man that run a (inaudible) mile only run because he believed it.

ROWE: It's true.

KITTEL: And (inaudible) he could do it.

ROWE: In the next two year (inaudible).



KITTEL: ... because the first guys did it.

ROWE: Are those peanuts?


ROWE: Can I have some of those?

KITTEL: Absolutely, Walnuts, better than peanuts.

ROWE: Great.

KITTEL: Mix nuts.

ROWE: Well at the risk of people saying we're nuts I'm going to sit here and then bathe in the warm green glow of your projector.

Now I'm off to see Darby's home made air conditioning system. And as long as I'm in the neighborhood I had taken some more organic healing for my ankle. Why wouldn't I? Is this the place under your house?

KITTEL: Yes, this goes under my house. My house is back here. Like if you look right through this, that's my house.

ROWE: That's where we're headed.

KITTEL: That's where we're headed. We're going to go down stairs first though and show you how to go ahead and make the ankle feel better.

ROWE: His air conditioning system is basically a deep hole filled with cool water that ventilates air up into his house.

KITTEL: OK, we're going to go down for a quick little walk, put your feet in some mud. The way you're heal is by that energy flowing through the wound. You know cave magnets on one side of broken bone and (inaudible) you can actually pass current through it and negative and a positive and actually heal it at four times it's normal rate.

ROWE: I didn't know that.

KITTEL: I say cool things like that for people that need it. So what we're going to do is we're going to walk in here and then about this far you sink and then you just let yourself sit there.

ROWE: Its cool water.

KITTEL: Yes, 65 degrees year round. And if I'm a 130 degrees upstairs I just pump some of these downstairs, a little fan over it and I'm going to cool off to 65 degrees potentially. You see how that foot sinks in. Just let it sink all the way in.

ROWE: Very grabby mud.

KITTEL: Yeah, just want keep sinking into. You'll get wet. That's OK, we'll both be wet from the pants and we looked like we peed on ourselves. All right, now how does your foot feel? Well you don't feel for the moment?

ROWE: I mean its pretty - its cool wrap in mud, yes.

KITTEL: Just its like it's held on to you, isn't it?

ROWE: There's a lot of lot of clutching.


ROWE: The mud is clutching, honestly.

KITTEL: It's nice in the water.

ROWE: It hard to be upset but anything down here.

KITTEL: I just want to note I've got enough materials in stock for over 100 houses. I've got all the anchorage. I've got the utilities. I've got everything I need to build villages and I just need the people.

ROWE: You figure if you build it they will come.

KITTEL: I will prove it can be done and they will do it elsewhere. It'll morph. All I'm doing is starting a quantum story and as it goes it grows. It morphs. It changes. It becomes something it wasn't. They're getting better all the time.

ROWE: What are you selling?

KITTEL: I'm selling empowerment if I can put that fire in the belly a father can feed his children and house them and take care of his parents out of salvage. More millionaires have made out of salvage than any other business in the United States and nobody knows about. It's not what you have. Its knowing the value of what you have that makes you rich.

ROWE: If there' any way you can anything more profound than that I invite you to do it. But I challenge - I challenge the possibility that such a thing could come to pass. I have no idea if my foot is still attach to my leg. I think it must be.

KITTEL: That's good though. That means its not hurting. Do you feel it hurting?

ROWE: So does my ankle feel better? I don't know, maybe. At this point I can't feel anything. Maybe it's the mud or the cool water or the humming. Who knows? But for now I'm going to give Darby the benefit of the doubt.

The hell of a thing that catered to tiny houses all over the country.

KITTEL: If we can get the communities and get them to allow it, it's a ways for us to transform the future.

ROWE: I don't know about the future. I don't have that kind of vision but transforming the present. That sounds pretty good. Hey, somebody's got to do it.

Thank you for sharing your wisdom, your world view, your generosity, your homes, your mud, your healing power and your good will.

KITTEL: Pump it up.

ROWE: A real pleasure.

KITTEL: My pleasure too. I (inaudible) nature.

ROWE: Thanks for the fruit as well.

KITTEL: You're welcome. You're welcome.

ROWE: I'm going to wonder off into the massive sunset behind your tiny house and reflect on what all I've learned.

KITTEL: Pack it up.

ROWE: And I will. Thanks.

Somebody's got to do it is programmed mostly with ideas from fans. So if you're a fan and you have an idea or if you know somebody who has to do it, go to and tell me all about it. Screw it.