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Moussaoui Attempts to Plead Guilty; Manhunt Underway in California; Scientists Claim Alaska is Shrinking

Aired July 18, 2002 - 17:00   ET

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KATE SNOW, GUEST HOST: Now on WOLF BLITZER REPORTS: He stands accused of aiding the September 11th hijackers. Today Zacarias Moussaoui tries to plead guilty. So why is a judge standing in the way?

A desperate manhunt in California: Can they find Samantha Runnion's killer before he kidnaps and murders again?

Officers caught on this now-infamous video go to court. Are they getting their just desserts, or is there a rush to judgment?

And the biggest U.S. state is getting a little bit smaller. Find out what these melting glaciers may tell us about the future.

It's Thursday, July 18th, 2002. I'm Kate Snow in Washington. Wolf Blitzer is off tonight.

A dramatic moment in the case of alleged terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui. Defiant as ever, Moussaoui tried today to plead guilty today to charges related to the September terror attacks. CNN's Deborah Feyerick has the details.

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: "I am guilty," said Zacarias Moussaoui in a raised voice. Then, ignoring the judge's attempts to cut him off, Moussaoui admitted being part of al Qaeda and swearing a loyalty to Usama bin Laden. He confessed to being part of a conspiracy, saying of the September 11th attack, "I know exactly who done it. I know which group, who participated, when it was decided." Moussaoui, feeling he'd be convicted, said he was pleading guilty to save himself from the death penalty.

Federal District Judge Leonie Brinkema refused to accept the plea, telling Moussaoui he could not pick and choose but would have to plead guilty to all six charges against him. They include terrorism and conspiracy to murder U.S. nationals. The judge gave Moussaoui a week to think about it. She then abruptly adjourned the hearing.

Moussaoui is acting as his own lawyer, his lack of legal understanding at times very clear. After trying to plead guilty, he asked the judge for a trial so a jury could decide what he called the extent of his guilt. His stand-by lawyer, whom Moussaoui to talk to, told CNN "If you went over the indictment with him line by line, I don't believe he'd agree to all of the charges." Prosecutors said they'd accept a plea of guilty.

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Moussaoui seemed more agitated in court than he has at past hearings. At one point, he seemed to dismiss the judge with a wave of his hand. Then when the judge stood, calling a recess, adjourning the hearing for the day, Moussaoui was still talking and was led away by marshals -- Kate.

SNOW: Deborah, do we know why he did this today or why he suddenly spoke up? It just seems so unexpected.

FEYERICK: It definitely was unexpected. Nobody was anticipating this, not his stand-by counsel, although that's not a huge surprise because he fired them and has refused to talk to them, even though they are supposed to be in the wings, giving him whatever help.

But he has now filed three different pleas. First he refused, and the judge said "I'm entering a not guilty plea." Then he said he was going to enter a no contest, and today he said he's entering a guilty plea. Part of the reason may be is because he has filed nearly 100 motions, page after page, and in each one it's increasingly clear that he's frustrated that the judge has not been granting him the motions that he seeks. So that may have been one reason why he pled guilty.

But there was a very important point, and that is the judge said, "You cannot pick and choose what you want to plead guilty to. If you're going to plead guilty, it's got to be everything that the government's alleged."

SNOW: Deborah Feyerick outside the courthouse tonight. Thank you.

Ever since his arrest, as Deborah just pointed out, Moussaoui's behavior has been at times unusual, sometimes downright strange. Now it may really hurt him.

Joining us in Alexandria with his insight on Moussaoui's latest court tactics is former federal prosecutor Mark Hulkower. Thanks for being with us. Can you hear me OK? Can you hear me all right there, Mark?

MARK HULKOWER, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: I can hear you now, thanks.

SNOW: Great. Thank you. Let's start with what he did today. Obviously, we don't know why he's done this, but does this now make the government's case a lot easier? Does it make it a slam-dunk?

HULKOWER: It doesn't make it a slam-dunk. Certainly, by admitting allegiance to al Qaeda, allegiance to Osama bin Laden, he's helped the government's case. There's a lot more evidence that's going to be necessary to convict him of the charges themselves, but he's certainly given them an advantage going into it.

SNOW: Do you think he might have done this strategically, that he might have done this to get out of the death penalty?

HULKOWER: There's -- it's hard to envision a scenario where this has strategic advantage. You can argue by not going to trial, by putting himself in the judge's hands, he's not going to submit to the passions of a jury from northern Virginia. But he's at the same time alienating Judge Brinkema. It's not as if he's trying to curry favor with her because every opportunity he gets, he thumbs his nose at her. So it's hard to see some strategic advantage to Mr. Moussaoui from his course of action.

SNOW: You know this judge welt. You used to be prosecutor in that same district. I'm sure you have been in front of her court a number of times. She seemed almost frustrated with him today, from what we've heard from Deborah Feyerick. Is she going to keep putting up with this? Is she going to suddenly at some point here say, "You have to call a lawyer in. We can't have this in my courtroom"?

HULKOWER: Judge Brinkema's a good, seasoned trial judge who's very patient. But even a person whose patience is inexhaustible can find their patience exhausted in this case. There will come a point where Judge Brinkema will say, "Stop. You're not going to turn my courtroom into a circus. And we're going to move forward with our without your cooperation."

SNOW: Do you think we're at that point yet?

HULKOWER: I don't think we're at it, but we could be nearing it.

SNOW: What about his statements today? I mean, he was speaking out in an open court. Couldn't those statements then be used against him sometime later on? Does it make it impossible now for him to go back?

HULKOWER: It doesn't make it impossible for him to go back because, again, there's more to the charges than the fact he was an al Qaeda supporter who swore allegiance to Osama bin Laden. And those, as I understand it, were his statements today. The government still has a lot that they're going to have to prove, but as I said before, it certainly gives the government a good advantage going into this.

SNOW: Mark Hulkower, former federal prosecutor in the eastern district of Virginia. Thanks for your time tonight.

HULKOWER: Thank you.

Here's your chance now to weigh in on this story. Our Web question of the day: Should Zacarias Moussaoui have been allowed to plead guilty today? You can vote at CNN.com/wolf.

While you're there, let us know what you're thinking. Send us your comments, and we'll read some of them each day on the air. Also, you can read the daily on-line column at CNN.com/wolf. There's a race against time in California. Police say they have promising leads, but no one has been arrested yet for the kidnap and murder of 5-year-old Samantha Runnion. CNN's David Mattingly has the latest on that story.

DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Kate, in the past couple of days, authorities using some very strong words in describing the killer of Samantha Runnion. Today emotions remain very high as the killer remains on the loose. But what we're seeing from authorities today is maybe ratcheting back of the rhetoric a little bit, even cautioning the news media today not to jump on what seems like a break in the case until they've -- it's actually been announced here, this coming out earlier today. We heard news that there was an arrest in this case. That turned out not to be true, and the authorities here are cautioning the news media not to jump on this and jump to conclusions when they're reporting on this.

So a little calmer today and even a little lowering of expectations, as authorities try to diminish some of the expectations that there will be an arrest imminent in this case.

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GEORGE JARAMILLO, ASSISTANT SHERIFF, ORANGE CO., CALIFORNIA: This will go as far as it needs to go. It may be dozens now, it may grow to hundreds. The focus may be in southern California now, it may go statewide, and then nationally and internationally. We want to make sure the public understands that this is a broad net and a very effective net that has been cast. And we remain, as the sheriff said yesterday, very confident that arrests will be made.

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MATTINGLY: That confidence bolstered by all the evidence that the killer has left behind. Add to this that remarkable description that came from Samantha's 5-year-old friend who witnessed her abduction, and the hundreds of leads that have now been generated by the public. And of course, all of this is under growing pressure of time. Authorities are convinced the way the killer seemed to leave Samantha's body as a calling card, they described, that he could strike again, Kate. The next official briefing from Orange County authorities right here in about an hour and a half.

Back to you.

SNOW: David Mattingly, thank you.

The kidnapping and murder of Samantha Runnion shocked the little girl's hometown. Now speculation that the killer could strike again is obviously fueling a new wave of anxiety. Joining us is the mayor of Stanton, California, Mayor Brian Donahue.

Mayor Brian Donahue, thanks for being with us. Appreciate it.

MAYOR BRIAN DONAHUE, STANTON, CALIFORNIA: You're quite welcome. SNOW: Let me start with the impact this has had on your town. I can only imagine what parents in your area must be thinking tonight. Have the folks come together? What's it like out there?

DONAHUE: Well, we've had a tremendous amount of support from all the people here in the city. And as you might guess, there's apprehension and fear, sorrow of what happened. We do get calls. We have emails from across the entire nation, as well as Canada. And we'd certainly like to thank those people who have shown their support for the family and for little Samantha.

SNOW: Are you hearing anything more than we are about how close they may be to solving this, about new leads or anything of that sort?

DONAHUE: No, that's the purview of the sheriff's department and that's their investigation, so we prefer to stay clear of that.

SNOW: What are you telling parents out there? What -- what have you -- I'm sure you've been doing a lot of media interviews. What have you been telling your citizens?

DONAHUE: We have police support at every school. We have our parks and recreation people going out to all the parks, telling the kids to be careful, stay together. We want them to have a buddy system, never be alone, always (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Always be visible to an adult somewhere. And we're telling the parents the same thing, make sure their kids are within eyesight.

SNOW: How do you walk that line, though? There's us a that danger if you say too much and you make people too scared, you cause them undue worry. Are you -- do you worry about doing that, as a public official?

DONAHUE: Well, at this point in time, it's an educational process. This goes without saying. They have been doing this all along and continue to do it. This is an unfortunate incident. We hate to have it happen. We're very, very sorry about it and sad, but we have to make sure it doesn't happen again.

SNOW: Mayor Brian Donahue of Stanton, California. We certainly wish you all the best out there. Thanks.

Police officers in another city accused of crossing the line. Will this videotaped beating result in jail time for the men in blue?

Also, guns in the cockpit. The widow of a September 11th pilot says it would have saved her husband's life. Her emotional plea to Congress still to come.

Plus, a big hog rumble on the road. Find out what's going to fuel it for a year coming up.

But first, our news quiz. Harley-Davidson motorcycles, which celebrate their centennial anniversary in August, 2003, are often referred to as "hogs." Where did the nickname come from, the founder's pet, a racing team mascot, the sound of the engines or the riders' sloppy manners? The answer coming up.

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SNOW: Two Inglewood, California, police officers are pleading not guilty to charges stemming from a violent arrest that was caught on video tape. CNN national correspondent Frank Buckley is live from Inglewood with details on their first court appearance -- Frank.

FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Kate, those officers, Jeremy Morse and Bijan Darvish, both of them appearing in court here, the criminal courts building in downtown Los Angeles, to be arraigned. Both of them pleading not guilty. Morse charged with assault under cover of authority. Darvish charged with filing a false report. As I say, both entered pleas of not guilty, and they were booked and expected to be released on bail of $25,000 each later this afternoon.

Both officers were involved in the arrest of Donovan Jackson. That arrest captured on videotape. The indictments do not specify exactly what portion of the police report that was filed by Darvish is allegedly false, nor does it specify exactly how Morse allegedly abused his authority. But district attorney Steve Cooley did signal that the hitting of an arrestee after he is in handcuffs is generally not permitted.

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STEVE COOLEY, L.A. COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: There's a bright line when the handcuffs go on. That is very definitive. And that's just an observation, as a general rule. And I think the rest of the case will be played out in court, and I think that might be something that will be a core issue.

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BUCKLEY: The attorney for Jeremy Morse says that the officer hit Donovan Jackson only after Donovan Jackson somehow reached behind and grabbed his testicles. You can't see that on the videotape, but he says the punch to the face was a direct response to that. Attorneys for both of these police officers say that they are confident that both officers will be acquitted.

Kate?

SNOW: Frank, they're both, obviously, under this -- these charges, but they're also under investigation by their own department, are they not?

BUCKLEY: Right. Both are facing internal reviews. We're expecting some sort of resolution to that within a couple of weeks. We could hear an announcement on that. They're also facing review by the sheriff's department and also by the Justice Department. A number of reviews taking place in this case.

SNOW: And are they working now, the two officers?

BUCKLEY: Both of them have -- well, one of them -- in the case of Jeremy Morse, was technically relieved of duty. They were -- he was placed on administrative leave. It's my understanding that Darvish and all of the other officers that were involved in this case have returned to duty.

SNOW: Frank Buckley in Inglewood, California. Thanks.

Joining us to talk a little bit more about the case is the attorney for one of those officers involved, the attorney for Bijan Darvish. His name is Ronald Brower.

Mr. Brower, thanks for joining us.

RONALD BROWER, ATTORNEY FOR DARVISH: Good afternoon.

SNOW: Let me start with what your client specifically is charged with. He's charged with filing a false police report, as we understand it. What part of that report is in question?

BROWER: Well, that's a little bit open to speculation, in that the indictment doesn't specify which part of the report is false. As best I can determine, it's six words that are in the report which indicate that Donovan Jackson was lifted up off the ground and placed beside the police vehicle.

SNOW: The Associated Press had quoted that report, which was written by your client, as saying that the officers, quote, "assisted him to his feet and had him stand facing the police vehicle." Anyone who's seen that tape that we've all seen so many times now, if you watch it run here, that doesn't look like "assisting him to his feet." Is that what Officer Darvish would say happened?

BROWER: Yes, that's -- that's not entirely what he said. He gave an additional statement, and that was an internal affairs investigation. And in that internal affairs investigation, he indicated that he was in the position next to the car incident, but when the individual, Donovan Jackson, was placed on the car, that he, Officer Darvish, was looking down at his knee. If you look at the tape closely, you can see that's exactly what the tape shows. And he indicated in that second statement that he heard the thump of the individual going on the trunk of the car, but he was not looking in that direction. And the tape...

SNOW: He just wasn't looking, is what you're saying?

BROWER: And the tape that's run on all the news channels, and indeed, the tape of the incident, clearly shows that's true. He's looking down and away.

SNOW: We just saw it just now again. Your client -- does your client stand by the account of the other officer, Officer Morse, who we just saw strike the gentleman? Does he agree with Officer Morse's account of what happened?

BROWER: Yes, he does. And indeed, Officer Darvish in his report indicated that the other officer was grabbed in the genital area by the suspect. And he put that in his report, and he is not being charged with that portion of the report as being false.

SNOW: An attorney for Donovan Jackson says that before that videotape started, there was actually more that happened. He says that all four officers from Inglewood, quote, "took turns beating on Donovan Jackson." Would your client deny that?

BROWER: Yes, he would deny that. You know, there's an additional film, which is a film from the gas station. And while it's not a video, it's a sequence of still images. We've just been given that film, but it's my understanding that that film does show part of the altercation, and it isn't even remotely as you've described it.

SNOW: Well, describe it to me because I know Officer Darvish says in his report that he did -- he did strike the man twice, I believe. Why?

BROWER: That's correct. And I think that's an important point. Keep in mind that the grand jury heard all the witnesses testify in this case, and the district attorney's office has reviewed all the evidence. Officer Darvish openly indicated in his police report and in his internal affairs investigation that he struck the individual twice in the face. The grand jury apparently found that was not a crime and that was reasonable force because he was not charged with excessive force because of that action. The district attorney's office apparently agrees with that analysis because they, in turn, did not ask him to be charged because of that.

SNOW: Let me ask you one last question. This is obviously a very emotional tape. It's gotten a lot of reaction, as we all know. How are you going to be able to argue against those pictures when you go into a courtroom? Are you afraid that it's so emotional that a jury will have a hard time believing your story?

BROWER: Well, you know, that is a fear we have, and the political climate that surrounds this incident is inflammatory, to say the least. And indeed, the courthouse situation today indicates that with the rhetoric that was going on by certain political factions or speakers.

But you know, it's important to note in this case that this has been characterized racially, and we have in this state specific crimes, that if a person is racially motivated and assaults somebody or commits a crime, there are specific statutes to charge somebody in that situation. The grand jury found no such evidence, and so nobody is charged with these racially motivated crimes. That's somebody's invention.

SNOW: Ronald Brower, attorney for Officer Bijan Darvish. Appreciate your time.

BROWER: All right. Thank you.

Al Qaeda fleeing by air and by sea?

BARBARA STARR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Barbara Starr. Two more al Qaeda members grabbed on the high seas. Is the terrorist network running away on the water? I'll have that story just ahead.

SNOW: And would arming pilots prevent future terrorist attacks? The widow of a September 11th pilot thinks it would, and now she's asking Congress to act.

Also, Jeb Bush's daughter doing time for drugs. How can you help your own kids in trouble? Dr. Drew joins us live with advice. Plus: Bye-bye "Sopranos." Meet the new darling of the Emmy Awards.

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Welcome back. I'm Kate Snow. Wolf itzer is off tonight.

Other stories we're following this evening: AOL Time Warner COO Robert Pittman is stepping down as part of another management shake-up at the company. His resignation follows a 59 percent plunge this year in the company's -- price of the company's stock. Pittman will stay on during the search for his replacement. AOL Time Warner is, of course, the parent company of CNN.

Researchers in Alaska say the state's glaciers are melting faster than anyone had realized. They say new data shows the rate at which the giant chunks of ice are thinning doubled in the 1990s. That could change sea level projections, which are already forecast to rise significantly over the next century. The findings appear in the journal "Science."

A woman said to share responsibility for the worst wildfire in Arizona history will face no charges. Authorities say the woman had been lost for two nights on the Fort Apache Indian reservation when she lit a beacon in hopes of summoning help. The fire got out of control and eventually merged with another one, scorching almost 470,000 acres and forcing 30,000 people out of their homes.

And the House Ethics Committee is weighing punishment this hour for Congressman James Traficant of Ohio. He was convicted in April of bribery, tax evasion and fraud. Traficant, who's known for his off- beat style, says he expects the panel to vote to have him expelled from Congress.

A new development tonight in the hunt for al Qaeda members. Two suspects were arrested at sea for the second time in a week. CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr joins us now live with more.

Hi, Barbara.

STARR: Hi Kate.

Well, late last night a French warship stopped and boarded a small, fast boat in the north Arabian Sea and detained two men that it believes -- that the French crew believes -- are possibly members of the al Qaeda terrorist network. The two men were quickly transferred to the brig aboard the U.S. Navy aircraft carrier George Washington.

Now, this is the second time in a week that such an incident has happened. On Saturday, a Canadian warship also stopped a boat in the same piece of water. It boarded. It found two men that it deemed suspicious. It detained those two men, and they have been undergoing intensive questioning by coalition forces in Kandahar, in Afghanistan. None of the men in any of these instances have been formally identified, but officials clearly believe they have intelligence to share.

Now, since the war began, coalition warships have actually queried 15,000 ships moving through these waters, and they have boarded ships over 180 times looking for suspicious cargo and passengers. And it's worth remembering that these waters of the north Arabian Sea are prime territory for smugglers and pirates. As one official said to us, look, in these waters anybody will carry carpets, refrigerators, even Osama bin Laden for a price. So the coalition's keeping a real close eye on ships moving through this territory. And after months of looking, coincidentally, in the last week, they've had success twice -- Kate.

SNOW: And Barbara, on a different subject, we understand you have some new information about that attack that happened in Afghanistan, ended up hitting a wedding party back on July 1st.

STARR: Right. Well, one of the things that officials have been looking at in the last several days is the infrared camera pictures taken by the camera on board the AC-130 gunship that conducted the attack that led to what Afghans say was the death of dozens and injury of dozens of people attending a wedding -- a wedding party.

Officials have now looked at that infrared camera picture, and at the moment, they don't really see any anti-aircraft artillery images on that infrared. They're still looking, they're still analyzing it. It is explained to us that maybe the anti-aircraft artillery was a little off to the side, maybe the timing was off a little bit, but it doesn't appear to be really clear on that infrared imagery, and investigators this week are now in Uzbekistan, interviewing the crew, trying to find out what really happened -- Kate.

SNOW: Interesting. Barbara, thanks.

On the controversial issue of arming pilots in the cockpit, Ellen Saracini is a passionate defender of that proposal. Saracini's husband was a pilot on board one of the planes that was hijacked on September 11. CNN's Patty Davis spoke with Saracini about the cockpit gun measure.

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PATTY DAVIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Ellen Saracini never thought she would be lobbying on Capitol Hill for guns in the cockpit.

ELLEN SARACINI, WIDOW OF 9/11 PILOT: We'd have another 3,000 people here today if my husband would have been armed, and if all of them would have been armed. We weren't prepared.

DAVIS: Her husband, Victor, was the pilot of United Flight 175, on its way from Boston to Los Angeles when it was commandeered on September 11 and crashed into the World Trade Center. He was scheduled to come home the next day.

Saracini says that if her husband were here today, he would be the one at the microphones instead of her.

SARACINI: My husband discussed the arming of pilots with me, and he believed strongly that it was a valid means of ensuring aircraft safety.

DAVIS: Last week, the House of Representatives passed a bill allowing pilots to be armed. Saracini hopes the Senate will now do the same. Key leaders are opposed, as well as the Bush administration. They say pilots need to focus on flying, not shooting. Saracini disagrees.

SARACINI: They need to understand that the last layer of security is in the cockpit, and all of these guys are trained professionals in emergencies. So they would have just been able to use the guns, and been able to diffuse them right away.

DAVIS: Other measures -- such as air marshals, fortified cockpit doors and beefed-up security screening -- are not enough, she says.

(on camera): What about the issue of stun guns? Now, he was a United pilot?

SARACINI: Yes.

DAVIS: And now, United is saying this is the answer. What do you think?

SARACINI: They needed to come up with something. I think that's good that they did. But it's not enough. We know it's not enough. It can only control one person at a time. We need to control all of them all the time. And guns are needed.

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DAVIS: To remember her husband of 18 years, Saracini has started a scholarship fund in his name, a memorial park where they live in New Jersey and even a Web site in his honor. But she says if he'd only had a gun, all that wouldn't be necessary -- Kate.

SNOW: Patty, you have other news of the day on the Transportation Safety Administration, the news of a resignation there?

DAVIS: That's right. Well, the Transportation Security Administration's John Magaw was asked to resign, I'm told by senior transportation official, by Secretary Norman Mineta, and John Magaw did submit that resignation. It was accepted by Mineta.

Now, the White House, meanwhile, has praised Secretary Magaw for the job that he did, and they say that he told them he said he was resigning because of health reasons. Now, Magaw had undergone an angioplasty earlier this year, and has had some heart problems.

But the senior administration, the transportation official is telling me that Magaw had some real communication problems. He wasn't talking openly with airports, with airlines, with others, even Capitol Hill letting them know what he was doing, and that got to be a real problem. So that was a major force, as it had been rumored for quite some time this was going to take place, and it finally did today. Now, Admiral James Loy, former head of the Coast Guard, who recently came on to the Transportation Security Administration as Magaw's deputy, will take over -- Kate.

SNOW: He's shown, the door, it sounds like. Patty Davis, thank you so much.

Alcohol and drug addiction have plagued the lives of millions of Americans, including the president's niece. When we return, Dr. Drew offers practical advice for kicking the habit.

And hard-core mobsters get knocked off by a funeral family -- an Emmy overview still to come.

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SNOW: Now back to the manhunt in California. We told you earlier, authorities worry that young Samantha Runnion's killer might strike again. They said that they have a profile, and that the profile fits that of a serial rapist, possibly a serial killer.

Casey Jordan is a nationally known criminalist, she deals in profiles. She joins us now from New York to talk about what law enforcement might be looking for here. Thanks for joining us. Ms. Jordan, police say that this man has acted impulsively, he's left a lot of evidence behind, and from that they can draw a certain profile. Can you give us a better idea of what kind of profile we're talking about?

CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST: Well, the act itself is extremely risky. It is indeed impulsive, and certain things fit the profile that we know about child abductions and other things don't fit. So when you put all of the factors together, that we know so far, and I'm sure the police know more than we know, you can get an idea of the kind of character and personality of the perpetrator.

SNOW: Can you describe that for us, what kind -- what -- I know this is all in generalities, but what typically is that profile?

JORDAN: Well, I agree with what the police and the FBI have put out so far, that this is probably somebody who has a history of child molestation or sexual assault. A person who is probably going to be very familiar with the area in which the child was abducted, might live in that area or have a legitimate reason for being in that area, or works in that area. Possibly about a 50 percent chance that he either lives alone or with his parents. In fact, might actually have seen the child before in the neighborhood.

Not a very organized person. Possibly menially employed. I think that, again, how risky it is and the fact that he left the body where it was most certainly going to be found shows that this is a person of a possibly borderline personality, somebody whose life -- for what reason, we don't know -- might be spinning out of control. Maybe he was just fired from a job, broke up with a wife, something might have triggered such an impulsive act.

SNOW: The police have said, as you just mentioned, that the evidence amounted to what they called a "calling card." In other words, that he left things, he left the body and other items in plain sight, right there along the road. Do you think that maybe he wanted police to find him, or to know something about him?

JORDAN: Well, there's two theories on this, and I don't know enough to tell you which one to go with.

Some of these sorts of perpetrators, these mysopeds, child sadistic killers, as we call them, are so disorganized that they are leaving these clues out of pure stupidity and disorganization. The act was so impulsive; it wasn't planned. It was so risky that he was in a panic and didn't think to pick up any evidence.

And the other option, the other theory, is that this was an act where somebody is challenging the police, teasing the police, doing something so brazen, so unthinkable, that he's actually thumbing his nose at authorities and leaving clues as kind of a cat-and-mouse game to see if they can catch him. And -- go ahead.

SNOW: No, I was just going to ask, quickly, is there something that everyone in that area -- who knows where he is now -- so everyone could be on the lookout for? Are there characteristics that people could be aware of and think, oh, there's a red flag?

JORDAN: I think it's a little dangerous to try to pinpoint specific factors and say, be on the lookout for that, because it could fit hundreds of thousands of men who might look like that sketch.

The biggest thing that parents need to do with their children is to warn them against people's behavior -- not how people look; that can be a real red herring when it comes to children -- but how people behave. That any person -- a stranger or somebody they know who tries to get them to come with them or to get into a car, that the biggest key is to never approach a car or get into a car, because that is when we lose children.

Watch out for people with predatory behaviors instead of stereotypical looks. That's the key.

SNOW: Casey Jordan, a profiler who knows this stuff, appreciate you being with us tonight to shed a little more light on it.

We'll going to go live now to an event -- the missing girl's father speaking to reporters. Samantha Runnion's father.

DEREK JACKSON, SAMANTHA RUNNION'S FATHER: She's been everything to me. And I'm so unbelievably sorry that she's not with us today.

I have a prepared statement to make. I would like to have the chief of Sunderland police read that for me. Again, you know, thank you very much for all your patients and all your news coverage. And please watch your children. Really keep an eye on them. Don't let them out of your sight.

Thank you very much.

SNOW: You were hearing there from the father of Samantha Runnion. That's the 5-year-old girl who's body has been found now. She was missing for a time, and she was found.

Maybe we should listen in now as one of the sheriff's departments...

EVAN GOLANN, SUNDERLAND, MA, POLICE OFFICER: ... you'll have to refer to Orange County sheriffs.

So his statement is as follows: First of all, I'd like to thank all of you for respecting my privacy. As you could imagine, this is a very, very difficult time for all of us who are close to Samantha.

I am complete devastated. I loved her very much, and I will miss her dearly. I had the most wonderful moments of my life while with her. She's such a sweet, beautiful little girl, and her love will live forever in my heart.

This horrifying tragedy and others like it should have never happened. I want to take this time to tell everyone with children to watch over them, watch over their children so much more closely than before. Also, please go through role playing and instruction over and over about how to respond to being approached by anyone they don't know.

My heart goes out to all the parents of missing children and all those parents who have lost children to abductors.

Also I would like to thank everyone for their support, and I greatly appreciate all the efforts of the Orange County Sheriff's Department in California and all the volunteers in California helping Samantha's mom, grandmother and friends.

Thank you all so very much.

QUESTION: What's your name? Your name?

GOLANN: Evan Golann.

QUESTION: Spell it.

GOLANN: E-V-A-N, G-O-L-A-N-N.

SNOW: Well, I was a bit mistaken. That is not in Orange County, California. That, in fact, was in Massachusetts -- Sunderland, Massachusetts where the father of Samantha Runnion resides. He is separated from the girl's mother, who lives in Orange County.

We're going to take a quick break. WOLF BLITZER REPORTS is back right after this.

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SNOW: Welcome back.

The daughter of Florida Governor Jeb Bush is preparing for her second night in jail tonight. Noelle Bush was jailed yesterday for violating her court-ordered drug treatment plan. She was arrested in January for trying to buy a sedative with a fake prescription.

Joining us to talk about children with drug problems from high- profile families and from all families is Dr. Drew Pinsky. He's co- host of "Loveline," an advice show and an information show on the radio, which you've probably heard of before.

Thanks for being with us.

DR. DREW PINSKY, ADDICTIONOLOGIST: OK.

SNOW: Governor Jeb Bush is in good company here. This doesn't just happen to governors, this happens to families all over America.

PINSKY: Absolutely right. That's correct.

SNOW: He has said that, in a statement yesterday, that there are consequences to Noelle's actions; that he respects the judge, indicating that, you know, this -- maybe he thinks this might be good for her.

Could this be good for her, going to jail?

PINSKY: Actually, it's the best thing for her.

It's not just the Bushes being good citizens, it's their doing what's right and healthy for their daughter. She's been struggling with this, evidently, for a long time. She's had a few months in treatment, yet she still has relapsed.

This suggests that she really needs to bear the consequences of her actions. She hasn't capitulated to the process of treatment yet. And until addicts really experience some sort of bottom, some sort of consequence for what they've done, it's difficult for them to fully embrace the process of recovery.

SNOW: Can there be backlash, though? Or can there be a negative effect of sending you -- tough love, sending that kid to jail?

She's not a kid...

PINSKY: Yes, there can be. Of course, there can be terribly traumatizing experiences, too. But I'm sure the treating team has looked at this very carefully. Florida has an interesting structure, although I don't practice in Florida. They have court systems and treatment systems that are set up to really accommodate cases exactly like this, and they do quite a good job and have quite good results. The Bushes are doing the right thing. It's an extremely difficult thing for a parent to let go like that. Especially someone they could probably do something. I mean, the fact is, he's showing great restraint here. He could probably...

SNOW: He's got the power.

PINSKY: Absolutely. And it's one of the most difficult things we deal with, is getting -- preventing the families from rescuing the addicts, from continuing that dance they've been engaging in with them for probably a decade.

SNOW: You counsel teens who have problems just like this. Apparently her problem stems from prescription drugs, which is something -- it's been in the press a lot. How big a problem do you see that being? Is it a growing problem?

PINSKY: In this country? Oh, it's a huge problem. Vicodin, Xanax -- these are probably the two most common kinds of drugs I'm treating today. It's Vicodin, Xanax, heroin, alcohol. It's all -- whether you're taking Vicodin, Xanax or heroin, it's a very, very serious combination of profoundly biologically addictive drugs.

I will tell you in my experience, Xanax, which is the drug that she was picked up for, is usually not a primary drug, particularly for somebody in this age group. Xanax is used as something to come down from other drugs like cocaine or MDMA. It's used in combination with opiates like Vicodin. And it's usually we're seeing that drug, and the benzodiazepine class in general, as sort of part of the poly-drug menu that lots of drug addicts are accessing these days.

SNOW: Dr. Drew Pinsky, some valuable advice for people that are struggling with that very same issue. Thank you so much for being with us.

PINSKY: My pleasure.

SNOW: Put on your helmet and rev up your engines.

RAY D'ALESSIO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I tell you what, Kate, anybody who owns a Harley-Davidson, they know the name Willie G. Davidson. Coming up next, we'll talk with Willie one on one, as well as Bill Davidson. We're getting ready for the kick-off of the 100-year anniversary of Harley-Davidson. Join us next.

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SNOW: Earlier, we asked: "How did Harley-Davidson motorcycles get the nickname hog?" The association between hogs and Harleys originated in 1920 when Harley racers began carrying their team mascot, a pig, on their victory laps after each race they won.

And talk about people who like to party. Harley-Davidson and the legions of folks who ride their hog motorcycles are kicking off the company's 100th anniversary, but they're doing it one year early, and around the world bash is starting right outside of CNN center in Atlanta. So how could we resist? CNN's Ray D'Alessio is there. Ray, what's happening?

D'ALESSIO: Well, I'll tell you what, Kate, you talk about the hog -- I'm sweating like a hog right now. Not just because of the temperatures here in Atlanta -- they're in the mid-90s -- but it's kind of hard to stay cool and calm considering the company that I'm in. To my immediate right, anyone who owns a Harley-Davidson knows this man very well. Willie G. Davidson. He is the grandson of one of the original co-founders of Harley-Davidson. To his immediate right, that is Bill Davidson, he is the son of Willie and he's also the great grandson of one of the co-founders.

And, guys, again, we're gearing for the open road, 100th year anniversary celebration. Gets under way here in Atlanta, which is a great honor for this city, Bill, and from what I understand, it's going to be one heck of a party, lots of good times, lots of, you know, things to do, fans, famous people. Again, bottom line, huge party?

BILL DAVIDSON, DIR., PRODUCT PLANNING, HARLEY-DAVIDSON: It's going to be the world's biggest rolling birthday party and we're really excited to launch this anniversary event in Atlanta, and to travel to nine other different cities around the world, celebrating 100 years of great motorcycles and celebrate the passion that we all share with motorcycling. It is going to be great.

D'ALESSIO: Some of those other cities include eventually Baltimore, you're going to be making a stop in Dallas. And again, it all ends next summer in August in Milwaukee.

And again, talking with Willie here. Willie, 100 years of Harley-Davidson. You've been involved with the company now for around 39-40 years. Did you imagine it would get this big some day?

WILLIE G. DAVIDSON, V.P. STYLING, HARLEY-DAVIDSON: Well, you know, we've always shared the passion for the product. And it is an icon. It's an American treasure. And we've survived wars, depressions, ups and downs, and I've always felt in my heart, along with the riders, that this thing was going to make it and do very well.

D'ALESSIO: Now, Kate, I was talking to Willie and I was talking to Bill, they told me that if I go like this, it doesn't mean the peace sign. That's kind of the V for the V-style engine of the Harley-Davidson. So already I'm getting the Harley lingo down. Kate, we'll throw it back to you.

SNOW: And I didn't know that. So that's good to know. Thank you.

D'ALESSIO: There you go. Now you know.

SNOW: Ray D'Alessio, having some fun in Atlanta. Thanks.

Let's go to New York now and get a preview of "LOU DOBBS MONEYLINE," which begins at the top of the hour -- Lou. LOU DOBBS, HOST, "LOU DOBBS MONEYLINE": Thanks, Kate. Coming up on "MONEYLINE" tonight, President Bush meets with senior Arab officials following the latest attacks in the Middle East. We'll have a live report for you from the White House. And a management shake-up to tell you about at AOL Time Warner. Bob Pittman stepping down as chief operating officer. We'll have a live report for you from just outside the board meeting in Dulles, Virginia.

And Army Secretary Thomas White today testifies on Capitol Hill. The former Enron executive denied having any insider information or doing anything improper. We'll have all of that and a great deal more beginning at the top of the hour. Please join us. Now back to Kate Snow -- Kate.

SNOW: Lou, thanks.

Now here's how you're weighing in on our Web question of the day. Earlier, we asked: "Should Zacarias Moussaoui have been allowed to plead guilty today?" Sixty-six percent of you said yes; 34 percent of you said no. Remember, this is not a scientific poll.

Time now to hear from you. Do children really suffer if mom goes back to work too soon? A new study says that they might. Here are some of your opinions from yesterday. Karen writes: "Outrageous! Why point the finger at mom? Dads should stay home and help raise the kids."

D.L. says: "I am an RN who chose to stay home and raise my kids. I feel there is a stigma attached to women who don't work. This study helps validate my decision not to let strangers mold my children."

And from Walter: "I was raised by a single working mother. I had baby-sitters, went to day care. Now I'm 16 and attending the Alabama School of Mathematics and Science, an admissions-based school for the academically gifted. My mother did the best thing she could, and I happen to think it was more than good enough."

That's all the time that we have today. I will be back tomorrow at 5:00 Eastern. Until then, thanks very much for watching. I'm Kate Snow in Washington. "LOU DOBBS MONEYLINE" begins right now.

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