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Gay Army Translator Dismissed
Aired November 29, 2002 - 17:00 ET
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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN ANCHOR: WOLF BLITZER REPORTS starts right now.
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SAVIDGE (voice over): New pictures and new evidence from the scenes of the twin terror attacks. Can commercial airliners be protected against missiles? Should your flight be turned into Air Force One? Who's inspecting the inspectors? Are the U.N. weapons experts all they appear to be? A news magazine's latest expose, is the Secret Service up to the job?
He has the language skills needed to help catch terrorists so why doesn't the army want him anymore, an ex-soldier goes public. And, 'tis the season for sequels, we'll look at what Hollywood's offering for the holidays.
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SAVIDGE: It is Friday, November 29, 2002. I'm Martin Savidge at CNN Center in Atlanta. Wolf Blitzer is off. It is good to be with you.
Let's get to the news. Investigators are combing through a bombed-out Israeli-owned hotel in Kenya and they are trying to trace the movements of terrorists who filed missiles at an Israeli airliner. There is new evidence on both of these attacks and some of it shocking. Let's go live to CNN's Senior International Correspondent Sheila MacVicar in Mombasa, Kenya. Sheila, can you hear us?
SHEILA MACVICAR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I can indeed. I'm standing in front of the ruins of the Paradise Hotel. Obviously, yesterday morning this was a very different scene before thirty vacationers arriving here hoping to spend a happy week in the sun, a week celebrating the Israeli, the Jewish Festival of Lights, Hanukkah, a week instead that turned into horror.
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MACVICAR (voice over): Thursday morning at the Paradise Hotel a new group of tourists was checking in, this video made by one of those tourists. The hotel was full, 100 percent occupancy. All Israelis all set to enjoy a week of African sun.
It was 8:30. Stunned silence followed. In seconds the hotel was an inferno. The Kenyan dancers were dead. Children were dead, families torn apart. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything and a lot of blood, people, children looking for their parents, parents looking for their children.
MACVICAR: The bombers had been stopped at the gate but they crashed their green four-wheel drive through and drove right to the lobby.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of them jumped from the car, went into the (unintelligible), their books like (unintelligible) on the table in the middle of (unintelligible).
MACVICAR: That was when the bomb went off. Forty minutes away at Mombasa's Moi Airport the Israeli plane that brought the tourists was taking another group home. At the scrap yard at the end of the runway, David Ohuji (ph) was at work. He stopped to watch the plane take off.
DAVID OHUJI: We heard the biggest flash of smoke outside there.
MACVICAR: Dismus Wery (ph) saw a white car parked down the road, too far away to see the people inside.
DISMUS WERY: They disappeared. It was about three minutes when that smoke we saw in the air, the vehicle also left the place (unintelligible).
MACVICAR: That vehicle was parked in front of this dirt track that led back to a vacant field right beside the flight path.
MACVICAR (on camera): It was right here on this rough ground concealed from the road by all this scrubby brush that the terrorists waited. These marks in the dirt were made by the missiles when they were fired, so close to the flight path that it's almost unbelievable that they missed.
MACVICAR (voice over): A Kenyan policeman showed us where a second terrorist had launched his missile.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, it was there.
MACVICAR: Kenyan authorities confirm to CNN that investigators found that in addition to the two spent launchers they found two more unused shoulder-launched missiles here. It is not yet clear if all four launchers were the same type. On Friday afternoon, Kenya's president came to the scene.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The most I've heard communication.
MACVICAR: His official said they put up roadblocks but the white vehicle ad its occupants escaped. The ruins of the hotel still smolder. Israeli and American investigators are now working with the Kenyans, sifting through the debris looking for the clues that will identify the bombers and lead authorities to those who helped them. They say they can not say yet who is responsible but with surface-to- air missiles targeted against a passenger jet, once more an unimaginable threshold has been crossed.
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MACVICAR (on camera): Marty, we're told that there is an intensive search underway for that white vehicle and its occupants. Kenyan authorities saying that there are 12 people currently in custody amongst them two American passport holders. We had heard earlier tonight that those two might be released this evening, so far no word that they have been - Marty.
SAVIDGE: We will wait and see on that. Sheila MacVicar thank you, remarkable pictures, we appreciate it. Well, an attack on an airliner by a shoulder-launched missile is fast emerging as one of the worst nightmares of the aviation industry. There are some ways to protect commercial planes. CNN's Charles Feldman, a pilot himself, has been looking into that very issue.
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CHARLES FELDMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): While cruising at 35,000 feet or so commercial jetliners are sleek, graceful, and immune from attack by shoulder-launched infrared missiles that lock in on the heated exhaust spit out from jet engines. But, on takeoff or landing when they are slow, clumsy, and low to the ground, commercial planes are highly vulnerable to such assault.
To deal with a shoulder-launched attack, there are various missiles defense systems already available that might give the aircraft a fighting chance but equipping all commercial planes with such systems would be very expensive.
BARRY SCHIFF, AVIATION SAFETY CONSULTANT: One would be a warning system that would alert the pilot to the fact that a missile were approaching his aircraft.
FELDMAN: Flares or special chemicals can then be launched to try and deflect the heat-seeking missile. A more sophisticated approach, the Matador ANALQ-201 infrared countermeasure system has already been installed on seven Gulf Stream business jets and is protecting 18 VIPs and heads of state in seven countries.
While the White House won't say what protective devices are onboard Air Force One, a Lockheed Martin web page uses a picture of what appears to be the presidential 747 to help advertise the Matador system which generates a false heat trail to confuse infrared missiles. Some pilots who just sought congressional approval to carry guns in the cockpit even suggest arming commercial planes with their own missiles or laser systems.
SCHIFF: But I don't think that would be very practical if passengers realized they were getting on airplanes that were equipped like military fighters. I think they'd be discouraged from flying.
FELDMAN: A spokesman for Boeing, the giant commercial aircraft company, told CNN it just isn't rational even talking about such measures because it would signal a total breakdown in the public's confidence in commercial aviation. And then there is the cost, millions of dollars per plane at a time when some airlines are nearly bankrupt.
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FELDMAN (on camera): Now think of it this way, some aviation people have told me the more heavy equipment you add to a commercial aircraft the more seats you have to yank out and that comes down to losing cold hard cash, something airlines are loathed to do - Martin.
SAVIDGE: Well, Charles in the end result here, what does it come down to? Is it a money issue or is it a technology issue?
FELDMAN: A little bit of technology because all this equipment does add weight and it changes to some degree the aerodynamics of the aircraft, but to a larger degree it comes down to money, to cash. It would be very expensive to equip every commercial airliner in the U.S. and I guess even overseas with this kind of equipment. There would be pilot training. It would be very, very expensive.
SAVIDGE: That it would. Charles Feldman live from Los Angeles we thank you. Moving on now, turning to the hunt for Iraqi weapons. The U.N. inspectors, that is, not in the field today. Instead they were studying information they had gathered in earlier visits to suspected sites, but the inspectors themselves now under scrutiny. Along with the U.N.'s recruiting methods, let's go live to CNN's Deborah Feyerick at the United Nations. What's going on Deborah?
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Marty, scrutiny on U.N. weapons inspectors was already high given the stakes and the threat of possible U.S. military action. However, now scrutiny has ticked up even greater after the private life of one of the inspectors comes to light.
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FEYERICK (voice over): The 53-year-old former marine whose Web site says he spent half his life specializing in chemical and biological missile warfare but it's Jack McGeorge's private life that's raising eyebrows, calling into question the professional credentials of the U.N. weapons inspectors.
McGeorge described by the U.N. as an authority on warhead delivery systems turns up on several sex Web sites advocating pseudo- masochism. The inspection teams already under heavy scrutiny by all sides were caught off guard by revelations of McGeorge's personal life.
HUA JIANG, U.N. DEPUTY SPOKESMAN: He did say that if he were asked to resign, he would do so but UNMOVIC, executive chairman of UNMOVIC Dr. Blix had no intention to fire McGeorge because Dr. Blix conceded he is a highly qualified and competent technical expert.
FEYERICK: The critics of the U.N. team say some new inspectors lack experience and expertise. The inspectors come from private businesses or retired or on leave from government. Once chosen to go into the field, they become U.N. employees. That's a change. Up until 1999, countries of the U.N. could send experts from within their governments to be part of the teams. That ended after accusations U.S. intelligence agencies gathered information from former inspectors.
GEN. WESLEY CLARK (RET), MILITARY ANALYST: Well, I think the United Nations needs to establish what the standards are for the people it hires and then it can hire private agencies to do the investigations.
FEYERICK: U.N. officials say it's impossible to run full background checks on all 300 inspectors. Part of the problem is location. Inspectors are nominated from all around the world.
ROLF EKEUS, FMR. CHIEF U.N. INSPECTOR: The roster of people with weapons knowledge is very limited indeed.
FEYERICK: Resumes for U.N. candidates are submitted individually or come through the State Department. The United Nations then interviews applicants like Jack McGeorge.
TERRY TAYLOR, FORMER U.N. INSPECTOR: What matters are the technical qualifications. I think in this particular individual's case he was an explosives expert. That's what really matters. Is he up to date? You know is he going to be competent and reliable.
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FEYERICK (on camera): The U.N. says it does not plan to change the way it hires weapons inspectors. As for Jack McGeorge, he did not return our repeated phone calls. A U.N. spokesman tells CNN what people do in their private life, as long as it doesn't interfere with their professional lives or it doesn't break the law, is of no significance - Marty.
SAVIDGE: Deborah Feyerick live at the U.N. thank you very much. It's an eye-opening report. In a moment, a magazine's investigation, a report that the Secret Service may be spread too thin. I'll talk to the editor of "U.S. News & World Report." Also, United Airlines on the brink, will passengers be left holding the bag? A consumer checkup still to come and another holiday season and another scandalous catalog, the clothing retailer that's pushing it to the limits, but first a look at the news making headlines around the world.
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SAVIDGE (voice over): Israel strikes back. The day after Palestinian gunmen attacked a Likud Party polling station, Israeli troops blew up the homes of the gunmen near the West Bank town of Jenin. Yesterday's attack killed six Israelis and wounded 20.
China poison scandal, authorities say the owner of a Kindergarten has confessed to adding rat poison to lunches at a rival preschool. Seventy children and two teachers were hospitalized after becoming ill this week. Doctors say the victims appear to be recovering.
AIDS protest in Peru, dozens of people with AIDS or the virus that causes the disease take to the streets of Lima demanding better healthcare from the government. Protest leaders say at the very least the government should provide free of charge so-called AIDS cocktails to patients.
Deadly accident in Turkey at least six people were killed when three busses and more than 20 other vehicles ran into each other in thick fog in central Turkey. Eighty other people were injured. The crash happened near the capitol Ankara (ph).
Space adventure, South Korea has launched its first liquid fuel free stage rocket, a key step in its bid to join the world's top aerospace nations. The rocket soared into the sky before falling into the Yellow Sea, and that's our look around the world.
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SAVIDGE: Even as the threat of terror poses new challenge, the Secret Service may be facing critical problems that have some, including insiders, wondering if it's up to the job. In an upcoming expose "U.S. News & World Report" cites a crisis of leadership, morale, and personnel within the agency that protects the president. Joining us from Washington, "U.S. News & World Report" editor Brian Duffy and before we begin though, we should point out we did ask the Secret Service to comment. It declined to do so. Mr. Duffy thanks for being with us.
BRIAN DUFFY, U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT: Thank you.
SAVIDGE: The problems facing the Secret Service as you point out in this article, very similar to problems that are faced by the military and faced by other law enforcement branches. Is it because just the job that they do protecting the top man that makes it so critical?
DUFFY: Well, this is a unique agency. I mean these people get up out of bed every day and their job is to put their lives on the line for the people they protect, from the president on down. They're very dedicated. They're very loyal and yet they are at a moment in their history where they are really stretched to the limit. We in this forthcoming article document things such as overtime, for example. Uniformed officers are working 90-hour work weeks. Even in a workaholic culture like Washington, that is excessive, and these are people who are supposed to be on a hair trigger alert to respond to any threat or danger.
SAVIDGE: But isn't that, in all due respect, like other law enforcement departments, police departments in any community? They may not be guarding the president but they're guarding me and I'm still worried about it.
DUFFY: Well, I think so but I think what's happening with the Secret Service is, first of all, a terrific manpower crisis. In the uniform division, for example, that's really the front line, protecting the president, the White House, the vice president's mansion, foreign missions around the city. They have about 1,000 officers. Internal records provided to our reporters indicated that they've lost over 30 percent of those officers in just the past few months alone. What's the consequence of that?
One thing, in addition to the overtime crisis, is they now have rookie recruits being posted at places like the White House and other key locations. These are recruits who in some cases have not had background checks completed. That includes criminal background checks. The recruits in some cases who have had only a modicum of training for the job and one is...
SAVIDGE: Do you know if someone guarding the president right now whose background is unknown?
DUFFY: We have a number of rookie recruits where the background checks have just not been completed. In fact, there is one young officer who was fired a week before he was to graduate and take a full time position in the service because he could not complete the background check. There were too many questions about what he had done and where he had been and so forth.
SAVIDGE: But physically guarding the president of the United States now, are there rookies doing that?
DUFFY: Yes, well there are rookies. There are plainclothes agents who are in the immediate perimeter around the president. Plainclothes agents have their own problems, not quite as severe as the uniform division. They've lost about 100 of their agents in the last few months but they are the tight perimeter around the president.
Around out beyond the perimeter though is really the front lines, the people, the gate crashers, you recall the plane that crashed into the White House. These are the counter snipers, the canine teams, the emergency response units. These are really the people who are going to respond first to any major terrorist threat.
SAVIDGE: Brian Duffy thank you very much, "U.S. News & World Report" is the article to look for. It will be out on newsstands shortly.
DUFFY: Thank you.
SAVIDGE: Thank you, sir. Airliners going under slowly, we're talking about maybe United, and will passengers be sent down with it? Find out what, if anything, you can do when you're left holding a ticket.
Also, good golly Abercrombie & Fitch, the new catalog that leaves well little to the imagination. And a critically needed linguist booted from the military because he's gay. Is it time for the army to rethink its policy? A closer look but first we've got today's news quiz; Which of these famous gay actors served in the military, Rock Hudson, Ellen DeGeneris, Nathan Lane, Rosie O'Donnell, the answer coming up.
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SAVIDGE: United Airlines stock plunged about a third today after mechanics rejected a pay cut that the airlines says is needed to avoid bankruptcy. CNN's Lisa Leiter reports the next chapter in the airline's saga might be eleven.
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LISA LEITER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): United will continue flying its regular schedule if it is forced into Chapter 11 this month. U.S. Airways filed for bankruptcy in October and has been operating normally ever since.
RAY NEIDL, BLAYLOCK & PARTNERS: Customers would see no difference if they went into bankruptcy. The airline would still be running. Airlines take a long time to die as is the case of Eastern and Pam Am. The thing is if they went into bankruptcy and got their cost structure down and restructured the company the way it should be, they could come out of it a very tough competitor.
LEITER: Analysts say cutting costs could mean cutting flights, something United began after the September 11th attacks and has continued this year because of slower business. Some travelers are now avoiding United. Others are overlooking the carrier's cash flow problems.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're not treating the unions well. They're not treating their customers well and it's a tough market. So, frankly if they can't compete, you know if the market is supposed to work in this capitalist system they should maybe go under.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They can get you where they need to go even though they're going through some rough financial times.
LEITER: Few if any believe a Chapter 11 filing would mean the end of United Airlines, comforting words to frequent flyers who've been racking up their miles.
JOH SCHNEIDER, AIRLINE BANKRUPTCY EXPERT: You'd have all the same benefits until the airline took a step to reject its obligations under the frequent flyer miles program. They would have an option to honor the miles or to reject them and let people make a claim for the value that they've lost.
LEITER (on camera): If United reorganizes under Chapter 11, travelers may eventually pay higher ticket prices as the airline attempts to become profitable again. Lisa Leiter, CNN Financial News, Chicago.
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SAVIDGE: The military gave him the boot, now Alastair Gamble has some choice words for the army. We'll talk to him live when we come back. Also, hormones and breast cancer, the latest medical news every woman should know. And, surviving members of the Fab Four reunite for a tribute to George.
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SAVIDGE: Welcome back to CNN. I'm Martin Savidge. Coming up, don't ask, don't tell, and national security, does the army have its priorities right? We will talk to a linguist who was given the boot, but first let's look at other stories making news right now in our CNN News Alert.
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SAVIDGE: There is a new development to a story we brought you earlier this month. About nine language specialists being kicked out of the U.S. Army, six of them trained in Arabic, all nine gay. Now one of them speaking out, first this background on the case from Wolf Blitzer.
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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Officials tell CNN nine people were discharged for violating the so-called don't ask, don't tell policy on gays in the military. The army has acknowledged the dismissals but has declined to comment further. Six of the nine had been studying to translate Arabic. They were kicked out at a time when U.S. military and civilian intelligence agencies face a critical shortage of translators. The government has been desperate for people fluent in Arabic and Pashtu since the September 11 attacks.
Seven of the nine were discharged after telling superiors that they were gay. The other two were caught together after curfew. The military's code of conduct says a soldier will be normally discharged for homosexual conduct if he or she has engaged in, attempted to engage in or solicited another to engage in homosexual act, has stated that he or she is a homosexual or bisexual, or has married or attempted to marry a person of the same biological sex.
The don't ask, don't tell policy has been controversial since it first went into place in 1993.
Wolf Blitzer, CNN, Washington.
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SAVIDGE: Army Specialist Alastair Gamble was among those dismissed. He describes his experiences in an op-ed piece in today's "New York Times," and he joins us in our Washington studio.
Thank you very much for being with us, Alastair.
ALASTAIR GAMBLE, FORMER ARMY SPECIALIST: Absolutely, thank you.
SAVIDGE: Did you understand the policy when you went into the military?
GAMBLE: I did understand the policy, yes.
SAVIDGE: You knew what it covered and you knew how you would be affected by it, possibly?
GAMBLE: Yes, absolutely.
SAVIDGE: Let's go over the statement from the Army, just so that everyone is clear. And it reads like this: "When an individual does something that violates the provisions of Title X, section 654 of the U.S. code, the law requires the services to separate the individual from the military, aka dismissal." And that is what happened to you. If you knew that going in, why are you complaining now?
GAMBLE: I'm not complaining about my personal situation. I'm complaining about the policy, which is really weakening national security. My own personal situation, absolutely, I take full responsibility for it. And I'm having to pay the consequences because of it. But I think that the people, the United States needs to look at this policy and determine whether or not it's really helping the Army or if it's hurting it.
SAVIDGE: Now, you've decided to go to "The New York Times" and print this article. Why? What was the purpose there?
GAMBLE: Well, my main purpose was really to try and instigate a national debate about whether or not this policy is doing what it purports to do, which is essentially make sure that the military is running as efficiently and proficiently as possible. And I think that obviously discharging six linguists -- excuse me, Arabic linguists, at a time where we're facing a war with Iraq and with the war on terror still raging, we need to keep qualified personnel in the military service, regardless of their sexual orientation.
SAVIDGE: When you were contemplating going into the military, and this is a personal question, but you obviously had to do some soul searching here, saying, am I going to put my loyalty and my faith in the nation ahead of my sexual preference? Did it go like that, or what were you thinking?
GAMBLE: No, I think that, quite honestly, I was planning on playing it by ear. I had definitely -- I had met a number of gay service members who had had long careers and long relationships, and so my understanding was that the policy was essentially, if I didn't say anything to my commander, then there would be no repercussions, that I would be able to have a full career with the military. But I found out that that wasn't the case.
SAVIDGE: Well, it went that way until one fateful night, apparently.
GAMBLE: That's right.
SAVIDGE: Explain how that happened. Because there is some misperception as to what the raid, in which I understand you were found, was all about.
GAMBLE: Well, what had happened was, my partner and I, Rob, had decided to spend a night together. It wasn't at all sexual. We just wanted to spend the night together in the same room. We had been dating for eight months and we hadn't gotten to do that. He was about to move on to his next station. So we decided we could risk it. And they came in, they found us in the room together. Cited me for breaking visitation policies, which I later on served restriction and extra duty for that violation. But because they found us in the room, they did a quick search of the room and discovered personal photographs of the two of us in a romantic -- absolutely not sexual -- but a romantic embrace.
SAVIDGE: But you didn't actually tell. I mean, this doesn't quite fall into the don't ask, don't tell.
GAMBLE: No, I never made a statement. And in fact, when my commander asked me if I would answer questions regarding my sexual orientation, I said I wouldn't do so without a lawyer. And I never made a statement.
SAVIDGE: What are you doing now? What are you going to do with your life?
GAMBLE: I'm starting to regroup. Right now, I'm working in the private industry. But I don't know what my life holds for me now.
SAVIDGE: Alastair Gamble, thank you very much for coming in and talking with us. We appreciate it.
GAMBLE: Thank you very much. Thank you.
SAVIDGE: Medical news that every woman needs to know. Breast cancer and hormone replacement therapy. Elizabeth Cohen joins us live with the latest research on the hidden dangers.
Plus, selling clothes with naked models. Abercrombie & Fitch raises eyebrows again, if not blood pressures.
But first, our news quiz answer. Earlier we asked, "which of these famous gay actors served in the military?" The answer: Rock Hudson. He served as an airplane mechanic in the Navy in World War II.
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SAVIDGE: Did a nationwide clothing store cross the line? In a moment, the merchandise that has more to do with a lack of clothes. We're back in a moment.
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SAVIDGE: New research offers some relief for women worried about the risk of combined hormone replacement therapy and its impact on breast cancer. CNN medical correspondent, Elizabeth Cohen, joins us with the findings that should help women make better decisions, hopefully.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right. A little more information that could help women. Martin, you remember last summer there was this big study that came out that said that when women take hormone replacement therapy, they have an advance -- a higher risk of having heart disease and breast cancer.
Well, many women said, well, OK, I'll go off of it. But am at a lower risk after I go off of it? In other words, has the damage been done? Well, what this study finds is that, yes, while you're taking the drugs you have a higher risk of getting breast cancer, but once you go off of the drugs, the risk goes back down again. So another piece of information that women can use. This time a good news piece of information.
SAVIDGE: All right, well, how does it change things and how might it help women?
COHEN: Well, it might help women -- let me give you a scenario. Let's say a woman is having horrible menopause symptoms. She's having hot flashes, having a hard time sleeping, having a hard time going to work. She might say, you know what, I think I'll go on hormones for just a couple of months, get over the worst of this, and then stop and go off of the drugs, because I know that my risk will go back down. I'm not damaging myself permanently by going on these drugs.
Now, not every woman is going to choose that, but that would be a way that this information could be useful.
SAVIDGE: So what's the bottom line? What are they supposed to do?
COHEN: Well, bottom line is you're supposed to -- well, not you, of course, but bottom line is women, menopausal women need to talk to their doctors and they need to remember that everybody's different. For example, some women might say, you know what, my symptoms are not all that bad. I think I'm going to skip the hormones altogether, because the risk is too great. I'm going to try eating more soy. I'm going to try taking black kohash (ph), which is an alternative remedy, an herb that has been found to help.
It's also important to keep the true risk in mind. According to the study that was done this summer, if 10,000 women were to take this hormone replacement therapy for a year, there would be eight cases of breast cancer because of the drug. Eight cases out of 10,000 women. Some women will say, you know what, eight is just not that big of a number. I'm willing to take that risk because my symptoms and so bad and the hormones are so useful. Other women would say, eight is just too many. I don't want to take that risk. It's very personal.
SAVIDGE: A matter of perspective.
COHEN: Absolutely.
SAVIDGE: Elizabeth Cohen, thank you very much.
A holiday scandal in a catalog.
JEFF FLOCK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I'm Jeff Flock at a shopping mall, a breezy one outside Chicago. That's the Abercrombie & Fitch catalog. We'll take an up close and personal look at it and talk to some shoppers, and see if their taste sensibilities have been offended -- Marty.
SAVIDGE: All right, we will look forward to that, Jeff.
The holiday season means Hollywood blockbusters, but will this year's big releases boom or bust? Jerry Penacoli joins us with the inside scoop when we come back.
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SAVIDGE: Happy holidays.
Well, it is supposed to sell clothes but some say there is more skin than clothes in Abercrombie & Fitch's new holiday catalog. Its multiple nude photos even have some groups calling for a boycott. CNN's Jeff Flock is live in Skokie, Illinois. He's been looking into this one. Jeff, how are you?
FLOCK: Marty, we're trying to take the pulse on this. And I hesitate to show too much here, but I do want to show you the cover even though some people even find the cover objectionable.
It's the Abercrombie & Fitch catalogs. They do these quarterly. Some people think they've really pushed the bounds this time. Much of it, and I'm going to show you the part that we can show. Much of it is catalog. Looks like any old catalog. Pardon the Chicago wind.
Then you get to another area and perhaps we have some pictures that we can put up to give you some sense of what it is. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's naked men and women. Some people find this objectionable. Some don't.
You, sir?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't. I think human body is a beautiful form. If they want to put it in their magazine to try to sell things, that's up to them.
FLOCK: Right, of course, the question is if you're selling clothes, why are you showing people without clothes. What do you think?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're selling the body. It's not necessary to show people naked to sell clothes.
FLOCK: So you don't buy it as a good idea. You an Abercrombie customer?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
FLOCK: How about you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am and Abercrombie customer. I even have the bag here.
FLOCK: Can you show... UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I bought jeans today. I mean, like I love their clothes. I just think the fact that they're selling -- come off as selling like naked bodies. It's horrible. It gives them a really bad impression.
FLOCK: And you have a problem with the clothes or the catalog or both?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The catalog. Not the clothes. Clothes are great. The catalogue I do.
FLOCK: Why are you offended by it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because I don't think it's selling clothes. I think it's selling sexuality. I don't think it's selling clothes at all, just sex.
FLOCK: We should point out you have to be 18 to buy this catalog. We sent somebody by today to pick up the copy that I just showed and they looked were over 18 to me, but they were asked for an I.D. So they're pretty careful about it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think in this case the sexuality is selling the clothes not the catalog selling the sexuality. It's definitely racy for a lot of our tastes, I think. But when you look at who's buying Abercrombie clothes, I go to a big college campus. Lot of guys that fit my description walk around in Abercrombie. They're the guys that are over 18. They can have the catalogue and they're the ones that are going buy...
FLOCK: They have the muscles perhaps to show that off. Gentleman from a military academy, is it?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.
FLOCK: Are guys at the military wearing Abercrombie clothes and what's your reaction?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. We wear uniforms. But on certain days everybody is wearing whatever they want. Some people wear Abercrombie and some don't.
FLOCK: The catalog?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The catalog I think is very degrading for women, showing the women's body is not necessary. I'm 18, but selling the clothes, that's a catalogue's for. If I'm flipping through it, I'm not -- I don't want to see naked bodies. I wan to see what they're selling.
It's selling the clothes. That's what a catalog is for. If I'm flipping through it, I don't want to see the naked body. I want to see what they're selling.
FLOCK: That's an Abercrombie shirt. Some talk about a boycott. Is that you? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not for the boycott. But I'm still going to buy it. I just don't agree with the catalog.
FLOCK: Last word over here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What they said was pretty much summed up how I feel.
FLOCK: OK. One last final word, Marty. A cross section of opinion. I think it pretty well represents it. The folks at Abercrombie have been putting this catalogue out for awhile. For those of us that have paged through it, I would say it gets your attention.
SAVIDGE: To be clear, is this going to show up in a mailbox? Do people have to rush to the mailbox to guard it or grab it?
FLOCK: No it will not show up in a mailbox. You have to into the store and it's got a plastic cover on it so you can't just page through it in the store. You need, as I said, to produce an I.D. that demonstrates that you're 18 before you buy the catalog. They feel like they've taken every precaution that they need to take.
SAVIDGE: Very good, Jeff Flock from Illinois. Thanks very much.
Here's your chance to weigh in on this story. Our "Web Question of the Day." Did Abercrombie & Fitch cross the line with it's new catalogue. We'll have the results later in this broadcast. Vote at cnn.com/wolf. While you're there, we'd like hear from you as always. Send us your comments and we will try to read some of them at the end of this program. That is also, of course, where you can read our daily online column, cnn.com/wolf. And we will have the results of our "Question of the Day" after this.
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SAVIDGE: In our last segment there, you saw the information we had about Abercrombie & Fitch and their catalog. We want you to read the statement that they have put out so that we are honest and fair.
It says that "Each Abercrombie & Fitch Quarterly for sale in our sales is shrink wrapped with a label to indicate the mature content of the publications. All models featured in the publication are 18 years of age and older." It goes on to say, "You must be 18 and show proper identification to purchase the quarterly. We are confident that this ensures is sold only to our intended audience." Abercrombie & Fitch, the statement.
Moving on. The holiday season typically a busy one for the movie industry, and this one no exception. We talked to "Extra" correspondent Jerry Penacoli about what we can look forward to this season.
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SAVIDGE: Jerry, thanks very much for joining us. A lot at stake here in the box office, not to mention Oscar nominations potentially.
So let's get right to it. "Lord Of The Rings: Two Towers." What are you hearing about this flick?
JERRY PENACOLI, CORRESPONDENT, "EXTRA": Well, what I'm hearing is it's going to start exactly where the last one left off because if you remember the last one, it just ended. It was like, Wait! Wait a second! You know? It left you wanting so much more.
And those of you who have read the books, you know where it's going to pick up. There's going to be a lot more action. Much more CGI battles. Just incredible things. Less fantasy in this one. But still, of course, you know, the whole thing's a fantasy film. So, you know, that's all taken care of there.
But, this is the only sequel that we're hearing Oscar about.
SAVIDGE: Really?
PENACOLI: Because, you know, it got nominated a lot last year. Didn't win that much except for a couple of technical awards. This year, look out. It might be in the top five.
SAVIDGE: All right. "Solaris." I think I'm saying it right. I've seen the trailers for this one. Sounds intriguing but I cannot figure for the life of me what it's about.
PENACOLI: Well, you know what? And neither can a lot of people who have seen it. You know? A lot of people are brought in because it was hyped up as a love story, kind of like -- remember that movie "Ghost?" Kind of a "Ghost" in space. And of course, much ado about George Clooney's butt. Whatever.
But anyway, you know -- so people were brought in to see this film and they end up leaving it going, What was that all about? It's very, very confusing, I think, in some parts, very complex. But, you know, if you're a sci-fi nut, then go see it. And you like George Clooney's butt, well, all the better.
SAVIDGE: All right. First it was "Analyze This." now "Analyze That." Is it as good as the first?
PENACOLI: Yes. Well, I'll tell you what -- this is a funny film. You know, I never saw "Analyze This." I did see "Analyze That," and I have to say, you don't need to have seen the first one to really enjoy the second one. De Niro is hilarious in this. All I'm going to tell you is that he sings and sings hysterically. And -- he actually sings a medley of songs from "West Side Story." I will give you that much. So, that's worth the price of admission right there.
SAVIDGE: "Catch Me If You Can." What do you hear on that?
PENACOLI: Big, big buzz on this. It's Spielberg's kind of, you know, box office, big-time Christmas film. You've got the return of Leonardo Dicaprio, not only in this film but in a Scorsese film, "The Gangs of New York." So you not only have a comeback from Leonardo Dicaprio in these two films, but it's really kind of a major assault because both films are opening within five days of each other. "Catch Me If You Can" is opening on Christmas Day and "Gangs Of New York" five days before.
This is pure Spielberg. It's light, it's breezy, it's Leo Dicaprio and Tom Hanks. I mean, you can't go wrong with it.
SAVIDGE: All right. "Gangs Of New York." You mentioned it. Talk some more about it.
PENACOLI: It's Martin Scorsese's big Christmas film. You know, there's been a lot of controversy surrounding this film, not just because of the subject matter. It deals with gang warfare basically in the 1860s in New York City. But there have been a lot of postponements, a lot of delays surrounding this movie. So the scuttlebutt has been, gosh, we don't know if it's going to be as good as what a Scorsese film generally is.
However, they also said "Titanic" was going to be a very bad film because of budget overruns, because of delays. And look what happened to that.
SAVIDGE: Sure. Absolutely.
PENACOLI: So, you just never know.
SAVIDGE: All right. "Chicago," the musical. Now, what? Going to be a movie? And will it work?
PENACOLI: Yes, well, you know, you've got a stellar cast in Catherine Zeta Jones, Renee Zellweger, Richard Gere. The clips that I have seen of this film and I have seen many of them -- it looks fantastic.
You know, "Moulin Rouge" opened the door last year to bringing back the musical. And "Chicago" just takes it 10 steps further. It's edgy. It's great music. It's -- if you're familiar with the show it's a terrific musical. So this one I think you should catch. Definitely.
SAVIDGE: Jerry Penacoli, "Extra" correspondent, thanks very much for coming in and talking movies.
PENACOLI: Happy holidays to ya'll.
SAVIDGE: And to you.
PENACOLI: Thank you.
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SAVIDGE: One year ago the former Beatle George Harrison died of brain cancer at the age of 58. Tonight his life and music are being celebrated in a tribute concert in London. Performers include some of his close friends who are also, arguably, some of the world's greatest musical artists. The tribute is our "Picture of the Day." (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
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ERIC CLAPTON, MUSICIAN: All I wanted to do was really share our love for George and his music.
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RINGO STARR, MUSICIAN: It's a reflection and a celebration. Our dear friend George died on that date. It's one year to the day. And it's sort of a positive move.
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OLIVIA HARRISON, WIDOW AND CONCERT ORGANIZER: He wanted to raise money in order to allow people to explore other cultures and philosophies.
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JEFF LYNNE, MUSICIAN: I think it just felt like George deserved to have all his music played and recorded in just one night, big special night of that. And because he's got so many great songs and they should be there showcased. And, you know, it's his life's work.
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SAVIDGE: Ah, to be at that concert.
Well, now here's how you're weighing in on our "Web Question of the Day." Remember, earlier, we asked you this: "Did Abercrombie & Fitch cross the line with its new catalog?" Forty-seven percent of you said yes, while 53 percent of you said no.
Time now to hear from you and read some of your e-mail.
Norman writes, "All commercial airliners should definitely be equipped with missile evasion technology. The expense, however high, would be minuscule in comparison to the loss of a commercial jet at the hands of SAM-armed terrorists."
And from Sean, "The attack in Kenya is likely to be the first of many of its kind. The government needs to put more military planes on patrol to protect commercial airlines from missile attacks."
As always, we love to hear from you.
That's all we have time for today. It's been a great week being with you. I'm Martin Savidge. Wolf Blitzer will be back for Sunday's "LATE EDITION." His guests: co-chairmen of the 9/11 commission Henry Kissinger and George Mitchell. That's Sunday, noon Eastern.
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SAVIDGE (voice over): New pictures and new evidence from the scenes of the twin terror attacks. Can commercial airliners be protected against missiles? Should your flight be turned into Air Force One? Who's inspecting the inspectors? Are the U.N. weapons experts all they appear to be? A news magazine's latest expose, is the Secret Service up to the job?
He has the language skills needed to help catch terrorists so why doesn't the army want him anymore, an ex-soldier goes public. And, 'tis the season for sequels, we'll look at what Hollywood's offering for the holidays.
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SAVIDGE: It is Friday, November 29, 2002. I'm Martin Savidge at CNN Center in Atlanta. Wolf Blitzer is off. It is good to be with you.
Let's get to the news. Investigators are combing through a bombed-out Israeli-owned hotel in Kenya and they are trying to trace the movements of terrorists who filed missiles at an Israeli airliner. There is new evidence on both of these attacks and some of it shocking. Let's go live to CNN's Senior International Correspondent Sheila MacVicar in Mombasa, Kenya. Sheila, can you hear us?
SHEILA MACVICAR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I can indeed. I'm standing in front of the ruins of the Paradise Hotel. Obviously, yesterday morning this was a very different scene before thirty vacationers arriving here hoping to spend a happy week in the sun, a week celebrating the Israeli, the Jewish Festival of Lights, Hanukkah, a week instead that turned into horror.
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MACVICAR (voice over): Thursday morning at the Paradise Hotel a new group of tourists was checking in, this video made by one of those tourists. The hotel was full, 100 percent occupancy. All Israelis all set to enjoy a week of African sun.
It was 8:30. Stunned silence followed. In seconds the hotel was an inferno. The Kenyan dancers were dead. Children were dead, families torn apart. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything and a lot of blood, people, children looking for their parents, parents looking for their children.
MACVICAR: The bombers had been stopped at the gate but they crashed their green four-wheel drive through and drove right to the lobby.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of them jumped from the car, went into the (unintelligible), their books like (unintelligible) on the table in the middle of (unintelligible).
MACVICAR: That was when the bomb went off. Forty minutes away at Mombasa's Moi Airport the Israeli plane that brought the tourists was taking another group home. At the scrap yard at the end of the runway, David Ohuji (ph) was at work. He stopped to watch the plane take off.
DAVID OHUJI: We heard the biggest flash of smoke outside there.
MACVICAR: Dismus Wery (ph) saw a white car parked down the road, too far away to see the people inside.
DISMUS WERY: They disappeared. It was about three minutes when that smoke we saw in the air, the vehicle also left the place (unintelligible).
MACVICAR: That vehicle was parked in front of this dirt track that led back to a vacant field right beside the flight path.
MACVICAR (on camera): It was right here on this rough ground concealed from the road by all this scrubby brush that the terrorists waited. These marks in the dirt were made by the missiles when they were fired, so close to the flight path that it's almost unbelievable that they missed.
MACVICAR (voice over): A Kenyan policeman showed us where a second terrorist had launched his missile.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, it was there.
MACVICAR: Kenyan authorities confirm to CNN that investigators found that in addition to the two spent launchers they found two more unused shoulder-launched missiles here. It is not yet clear if all four launchers were the same type. On Friday afternoon, Kenya's president came to the scene.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The most I've heard communication.
MACVICAR: His official said they put up roadblocks but the white vehicle ad its occupants escaped. The ruins of the hotel still smolder. Israeli and American investigators are now working with the Kenyans, sifting through the debris looking for the clues that will identify the bombers and lead authorities to those who helped them. They say they can not say yet who is responsible but with surface-to- air missiles targeted against a passenger jet, once more an unimaginable threshold has been crossed.
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MACVICAR (on camera): Marty, we're told that there is an intensive search underway for that white vehicle and its occupants. Kenyan authorities saying that there are 12 people currently in custody amongst them two American passport holders. We had heard earlier tonight that those two might be released this evening, so far no word that they have been - Marty.
SAVIDGE: We will wait and see on that. Sheila MacVicar thank you, remarkable pictures, we appreciate it. Well, an attack on an airliner by a shoulder-launched missile is fast emerging as one of the worst nightmares of the aviation industry. There are some ways to protect commercial planes. CNN's Charles Feldman, a pilot himself, has been looking into that very issue.
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CHARLES FELDMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): While cruising at 35,000 feet or so commercial jetliners are sleek, graceful, and immune from attack by shoulder-launched infrared missiles that lock in on the heated exhaust spit out from jet engines. But, on takeoff or landing when they are slow, clumsy, and low to the ground, commercial planes are highly vulnerable to such assault.
To deal with a shoulder-launched attack, there are various missiles defense systems already available that might give the aircraft a fighting chance but equipping all commercial planes with such systems would be very expensive.
BARRY SCHIFF, AVIATION SAFETY CONSULTANT: One would be a warning system that would alert the pilot to the fact that a missile were approaching his aircraft.
FELDMAN: Flares or special chemicals can then be launched to try and deflect the heat-seeking missile. A more sophisticated approach, the Matador ANALQ-201 infrared countermeasure system has already been installed on seven Gulf Stream business jets and is protecting 18 VIPs and heads of state in seven countries.
While the White House won't say what protective devices are onboard Air Force One, a Lockheed Martin web page uses a picture of what appears to be the presidential 747 to help advertise the Matador system which generates a false heat trail to confuse infrared missiles. Some pilots who just sought congressional approval to carry guns in the cockpit even suggest arming commercial planes with their own missiles or laser systems.
SCHIFF: But I don't think that would be very practical if passengers realized they were getting on airplanes that were equipped like military fighters. I think they'd be discouraged from flying.
FELDMAN: A spokesman for Boeing, the giant commercial aircraft company, told CNN it just isn't rational even talking about such measures because it would signal a total breakdown in the public's confidence in commercial aviation. And then there is the cost, millions of dollars per plane at a time when some airlines are nearly bankrupt.
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FELDMAN (on camera): Now think of it this way, some aviation people have told me the more heavy equipment you add to a commercial aircraft the more seats you have to yank out and that comes down to losing cold hard cash, something airlines are loathed to do - Martin.
SAVIDGE: Well, Charles in the end result here, what does it come down to? Is it a money issue or is it a technology issue?
FELDMAN: A little bit of technology because all this equipment does add weight and it changes to some degree the aerodynamics of the aircraft, but to a larger degree it comes down to money, to cash. It would be very expensive to equip every commercial airliner in the U.S. and I guess even overseas with this kind of equipment. There would be pilot training. It would be very, very expensive.
SAVIDGE: That it would. Charles Feldman live from Los Angeles we thank you. Moving on now, turning to the hunt for Iraqi weapons. The U.N. inspectors, that is, not in the field today. Instead they were studying information they had gathered in earlier visits to suspected sites, but the inspectors themselves now under scrutiny. Along with the U.N.'s recruiting methods, let's go live to CNN's Deborah Feyerick at the United Nations. What's going on Deborah?
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Marty, scrutiny on U.N. weapons inspectors was already high given the stakes and the threat of possible U.S. military action. However, now scrutiny has ticked up even greater after the private life of one of the inspectors comes to light.
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FEYERICK (voice over): The 53-year-old former marine whose Web site says he spent half his life specializing in chemical and biological missile warfare but it's Jack McGeorge's private life that's raising eyebrows, calling into question the professional credentials of the U.N. weapons inspectors.
McGeorge described by the U.N. as an authority on warhead delivery systems turns up on several sex Web sites advocating pseudo- masochism. The inspection teams already under heavy scrutiny by all sides were caught off guard by revelations of McGeorge's personal life.
HUA JIANG, U.N. DEPUTY SPOKESMAN: He did say that if he were asked to resign, he would do so but UNMOVIC, executive chairman of UNMOVIC Dr. Blix had no intention to fire McGeorge because Dr. Blix conceded he is a highly qualified and competent technical expert.
FEYERICK: The critics of the U.N. team say some new inspectors lack experience and expertise. The inspectors come from private businesses or retired or on leave from government. Once chosen to go into the field, they become U.N. employees. That's a change. Up until 1999, countries of the U.N. could send experts from within their governments to be part of the teams. That ended after accusations U.S. intelligence agencies gathered information from former inspectors.
GEN. WESLEY CLARK (RET), MILITARY ANALYST: Well, I think the United Nations needs to establish what the standards are for the people it hires and then it can hire private agencies to do the investigations.
FEYERICK: U.N. officials say it's impossible to run full background checks on all 300 inspectors. Part of the problem is location. Inspectors are nominated from all around the world.
ROLF EKEUS, FMR. CHIEF U.N. INSPECTOR: The roster of people with weapons knowledge is very limited indeed.
FEYERICK: Resumes for U.N. candidates are submitted individually or come through the State Department. The United Nations then interviews applicants like Jack McGeorge.
TERRY TAYLOR, FORMER U.N. INSPECTOR: What matters are the technical qualifications. I think in this particular individual's case he was an explosives expert. That's what really matters. Is he up to date? You know is he going to be competent and reliable.
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FEYERICK (on camera): The U.N. says it does not plan to change the way it hires weapons inspectors. As for Jack McGeorge, he did not return our repeated phone calls. A U.N. spokesman tells CNN what people do in their private life, as long as it doesn't interfere with their professional lives or it doesn't break the law, is of no significance - Marty.
SAVIDGE: Deborah Feyerick live at the U.N. thank you very much. It's an eye-opening report. In a moment, a magazine's investigation, a report that the Secret Service may be spread too thin. I'll talk to the editor of "U.S. News & World Report." Also, United Airlines on the brink, will passengers be left holding the bag? A consumer checkup still to come and another holiday season and another scandalous catalog, the clothing retailer that's pushing it to the limits, but first a look at the news making headlines around the world.
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SAVIDGE (voice over): Israel strikes back. The day after Palestinian gunmen attacked a Likud Party polling station, Israeli troops blew up the homes of the gunmen near the West Bank town of Jenin. Yesterday's attack killed six Israelis and wounded 20.
China poison scandal, authorities say the owner of a Kindergarten has confessed to adding rat poison to lunches at a rival preschool. Seventy children and two teachers were hospitalized after becoming ill this week. Doctors say the victims appear to be recovering.
AIDS protest in Peru, dozens of people with AIDS or the virus that causes the disease take to the streets of Lima demanding better healthcare from the government. Protest leaders say at the very least the government should provide free of charge so-called AIDS cocktails to patients.
Deadly accident in Turkey at least six people were killed when three busses and more than 20 other vehicles ran into each other in thick fog in central Turkey. Eighty other people were injured. The crash happened near the capitol Ankara (ph).
Space adventure, South Korea has launched its first liquid fuel free stage rocket, a key step in its bid to join the world's top aerospace nations. The rocket soared into the sky before falling into the Yellow Sea, and that's our look around the world.
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SAVIDGE: Even as the threat of terror poses new challenge, the Secret Service may be facing critical problems that have some, including insiders, wondering if it's up to the job. In an upcoming expose "U.S. News & World Report" cites a crisis of leadership, morale, and personnel within the agency that protects the president. Joining us from Washington, "U.S. News & World Report" editor Brian Duffy and before we begin though, we should point out we did ask the Secret Service to comment. It declined to do so. Mr. Duffy thanks for being with us.
BRIAN DUFFY, U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT: Thank you.
SAVIDGE: The problems facing the Secret Service as you point out in this article, very similar to problems that are faced by the military and faced by other law enforcement branches. Is it because just the job that they do protecting the top man that makes it so critical?
DUFFY: Well, this is a unique agency. I mean these people get up out of bed every day and their job is to put their lives on the line for the people they protect, from the president on down. They're very dedicated. They're very loyal and yet they are at a moment in their history where they are really stretched to the limit. We in this forthcoming article document things such as overtime, for example. Uniformed officers are working 90-hour work weeks. Even in a workaholic culture like Washington, that is excessive, and these are people who are supposed to be on a hair trigger alert to respond to any threat or danger.
SAVIDGE: But isn't that, in all due respect, like other law enforcement departments, police departments in any community? They may not be guarding the president but they're guarding me and I'm still worried about it.
DUFFY: Well, I think so but I think what's happening with the Secret Service is, first of all, a terrific manpower crisis. In the uniform division, for example, that's really the front line, protecting the president, the White House, the vice president's mansion, foreign missions around the city. They have about 1,000 officers. Internal records provided to our reporters indicated that they've lost over 30 percent of those officers in just the past few months alone. What's the consequence of that?
One thing, in addition to the overtime crisis, is they now have rookie recruits being posted at places like the White House and other key locations. These are recruits who in some cases have not had background checks completed. That includes criminal background checks. The recruits in some cases who have had only a modicum of training for the job and one is...
SAVIDGE: Do you know if someone guarding the president right now whose background is unknown?
DUFFY: We have a number of rookie recruits where the background checks have just not been completed. In fact, there is one young officer who was fired a week before he was to graduate and take a full time position in the service because he could not complete the background check. There were too many questions about what he had done and where he had been and so forth.
SAVIDGE: But physically guarding the president of the United States now, are there rookies doing that?
DUFFY: Yes, well there are rookies. There are plainclothes agents who are in the immediate perimeter around the president. Plainclothes agents have their own problems, not quite as severe as the uniform division. They've lost about 100 of their agents in the last few months but they are the tight perimeter around the president.
Around out beyond the perimeter though is really the front lines, the people, the gate crashers, you recall the plane that crashed into the White House. These are the counter snipers, the canine teams, the emergency response units. These are really the people who are going to respond first to any major terrorist threat.
SAVIDGE: Brian Duffy thank you very much, "U.S. News & World Report" is the article to look for. It will be out on newsstands shortly.
DUFFY: Thank you.
SAVIDGE: Thank you, sir. Airliners going under slowly, we're talking about maybe United, and will passengers be sent down with it? Find out what, if anything, you can do when you're left holding a ticket.
Also, good golly Abercrombie & Fitch, the new catalog that leaves well little to the imagination. And a critically needed linguist booted from the military because he's gay. Is it time for the army to rethink its policy? A closer look but first we've got today's news quiz; Which of these famous gay actors served in the military, Rock Hudson, Ellen DeGeneris, Nathan Lane, Rosie O'Donnell, the answer coming up.
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SAVIDGE: United Airlines stock plunged about a third today after mechanics rejected a pay cut that the airlines says is needed to avoid bankruptcy. CNN's Lisa Leiter reports the next chapter in the airline's saga might be eleven.
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LISA LEITER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): United will continue flying its regular schedule if it is forced into Chapter 11 this month. U.S. Airways filed for bankruptcy in October and has been operating normally ever since.
RAY NEIDL, BLAYLOCK & PARTNERS: Customers would see no difference if they went into bankruptcy. The airline would still be running. Airlines take a long time to die as is the case of Eastern and Pam Am. The thing is if they went into bankruptcy and got their cost structure down and restructured the company the way it should be, they could come out of it a very tough competitor.
LEITER: Analysts say cutting costs could mean cutting flights, something United began after the September 11th attacks and has continued this year because of slower business. Some travelers are now avoiding United. Others are overlooking the carrier's cash flow problems.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're not treating the unions well. They're not treating their customers well and it's a tough market. So, frankly if they can't compete, you know if the market is supposed to work in this capitalist system they should maybe go under.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They can get you where they need to go even though they're going through some rough financial times.
LEITER: Few if any believe a Chapter 11 filing would mean the end of United Airlines, comforting words to frequent flyers who've been racking up their miles.
JOH SCHNEIDER, AIRLINE BANKRUPTCY EXPERT: You'd have all the same benefits until the airline took a step to reject its obligations under the frequent flyer miles program. They would have an option to honor the miles or to reject them and let people make a claim for the value that they've lost.
LEITER (on camera): If United reorganizes under Chapter 11, travelers may eventually pay higher ticket prices as the airline attempts to become profitable again. Lisa Leiter, CNN Financial News, Chicago.
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SAVIDGE: The military gave him the boot, now Alastair Gamble has some choice words for the army. We'll talk to him live when we come back. Also, hormones and breast cancer, the latest medical news every woman should know. And, surviving members of the Fab Four reunite for a tribute to George.
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SAVIDGE: Welcome back to CNN. I'm Martin Savidge. Coming up, don't ask, don't tell, and national security, does the army have its priorities right? We will talk to a linguist who was given the boot, but first let's look at other stories making news right now in our CNN News Alert.
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SAVIDGE: There is a new development to a story we brought you earlier this month. About nine language specialists being kicked out of the U.S. Army, six of them trained in Arabic, all nine gay. Now one of them speaking out, first this background on the case from Wolf Blitzer.
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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Officials tell CNN nine people were discharged for violating the so-called don't ask, don't tell policy on gays in the military. The army has acknowledged the dismissals but has declined to comment further. Six of the nine had been studying to translate Arabic. They were kicked out at a time when U.S. military and civilian intelligence agencies face a critical shortage of translators. The government has been desperate for people fluent in Arabic and Pashtu since the September 11 attacks.
Seven of the nine were discharged after telling superiors that they were gay. The other two were caught together after curfew. The military's code of conduct says a soldier will be normally discharged for homosexual conduct if he or she has engaged in, attempted to engage in or solicited another to engage in homosexual act, has stated that he or she is a homosexual or bisexual, or has married or attempted to marry a person of the same biological sex.
The don't ask, don't tell policy has been controversial since it first went into place in 1993.
Wolf Blitzer, CNN, Washington.
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SAVIDGE: Army Specialist Alastair Gamble was among those dismissed. He describes his experiences in an op-ed piece in today's "New York Times," and he joins us in our Washington studio.
Thank you very much for being with us, Alastair.
ALASTAIR GAMBLE, FORMER ARMY SPECIALIST: Absolutely, thank you.
SAVIDGE: Did you understand the policy when you went into the military?
GAMBLE: I did understand the policy, yes.
SAVIDGE: You knew what it covered and you knew how you would be affected by it, possibly?
GAMBLE: Yes, absolutely.
SAVIDGE: Let's go over the statement from the Army, just so that everyone is clear. And it reads like this: "When an individual does something that violates the provisions of Title X, section 654 of the U.S. code, the law requires the services to separate the individual from the military, aka dismissal." And that is what happened to you. If you knew that going in, why are you complaining now?
GAMBLE: I'm not complaining about my personal situation. I'm complaining about the policy, which is really weakening national security. My own personal situation, absolutely, I take full responsibility for it. And I'm having to pay the consequences because of it. But I think that the people, the United States needs to look at this policy and determine whether or not it's really helping the Army or if it's hurting it.
SAVIDGE: Now, you've decided to go to "The New York Times" and print this article. Why? What was the purpose there?
GAMBLE: Well, my main purpose was really to try and instigate a national debate about whether or not this policy is doing what it purports to do, which is essentially make sure that the military is running as efficiently and proficiently as possible. And I think that obviously discharging six linguists -- excuse me, Arabic linguists, at a time where we're facing a war with Iraq and with the war on terror still raging, we need to keep qualified personnel in the military service, regardless of their sexual orientation.
SAVIDGE: When you were contemplating going into the military, and this is a personal question, but you obviously had to do some soul searching here, saying, am I going to put my loyalty and my faith in the nation ahead of my sexual preference? Did it go like that, or what were you thinking?
GAMBLE: No, I think that, quite honestly, I was planning on playing it by ear. I had definitely -- I had met a number of gay service members who had had long careers and long relationships, and so my understanding was that the policy was essentially, if I didn't say anything to my commander, then there would be no repercussions, that I would be able to have a full career with the military. But I found out that that wasn't the case.
SAVIDGE: Well, it went that way until one fateful night, apparently.
GAMBLE: That's right.
SAVIDGE: Explain how that happened. Because there is some misperception as to what the raid, in which I understand you were found, was all about.
GAMBLE: Well, what had happened was, my partner and I, Rob, had decided to spend a night together. It wasn't at all sexual. We just wanted to spend the night together in the same room. We had been dating for eight months and we hadn't gotten to do that. He was about to move on to his next station. So we decided we could risk it. And they came in, they found us in the room together. Cited me for breaking visitation policies, which I later on served restriction and extra duty for that violation. But because they found us in the room, they did a quick search of the room and discovered personal photographs of the two of us in a romantic -- absolutely not sexual -- but a romantic embrace.
SAVIDGE: But you didn't actually tell. I mean, this doesn't quite fall into the don't ask, don't tell.
GAMBLE: No, I never made a statement. And in fact, when my commander asked me if I would answer questions regarding my sexual orientation, I said I wouldn't do so without a lawyer. And I never made a statement.
SAVIDGE: What are you doing now? What are you going to do with your life?
GAMBLE: I'm starting to regroup. Right now, I'm working in the private industry. But I don't know what my life holds for me now.
SAVIDGE: Alastair Gamble, thank you very much for coming in and talking with us. We appreciate it.
GAMBLE: Thank you very much. Thank you.
SAVIDGE: Medical news that every woman needs to know. Breast cancer and hormone replacement therapy. Elizabeth Cohen joins us live with the latest research on the hidden dangers.
Plus, selling clothes with naked models. Abercrombie & Fitch raises eyebrows again, if not blood pressures.
But first, our news quiz answer. Earlier we asked, "which of these famous gay actors served in the military?" The answer: Rock Hudson. He served as an airplane mechanic in the Navy in World War II.
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SAVIDGE: Did a nationwide clothing store cross the line? In a moment, the merchandise that has more to do with a lack of clothes. We're back in a moment.
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SAVIDGE: New research offers some relief for women worried about the risk of combined hormone replacement therapy and its impact on breast cancer. CNN medical correspondent, Elizabeth Cohen, joins us with the findings that should help women make better decisions, hopefully.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right. A little more information that could help women. Martin, you remember last summer there was this big study that came out that said that when women take hormone replacement therapy, they have an advance -- a higher risk of having heart disease and breast cancer.
Well, many women said, well, OK, I'll go off of it. But am at a lower risk after I go off of it? In other words, has the damage been done? Well, what this study finds is that, yes, while you're taking the drugs you have a higher risk of getting breast cancer, but once you go off of the drugs, the risk goes back down again. So another piece of information that women can use. This time a good news piece of information.
SAVIDGE: All right, well, how does it change things and how might it help women?
COHEN: Well, it might help women -- let me give you a scenario. Let's say a woman is having horrible menopause symptoms. She's having hot flashes, having a hard time sleeping, having a hard time going to work. She might say, you know what, I think I'll go on hormones for just a couple of months, get over the worst of this, and then stop and go off of the drugs, because I know that my risk will go back down. I'm not damaging myself permanently by going on these drugs.
Now, not every woman is going to choose that, but that would be a way that this information could be useful.
SAVIDGE: So what's the bottom line? What are they supposed to do?
COHEN: Well, bottom line is you're supposed to -- well, not you, of course, but bottom line is women, menopausal women need to talk to their doctors and they need to remember that everybody's different. For example, some women might say, you know what, my symptoms are not all that bad. I think I'm going to skip the hormones altogether, because the risk is too great. I'm going to try eating more soy. I'm going to try taking black kohash (ph), which is an alternative remedy, an herb that has been found to help.
It's also important to keep the true risk in mind. According to the study that was done this summer, if 10,000 women were to take this hormone replacement therapy for a year, there would be eight cases of breast cancer because of the drug. Eight cases out of 10,000 women. Some women will say, you know what, eight is just not that big of a number. I'm willing to take that risk because my symptoms and so bad and the hormones are so useful. Other women would say, eight is just too many. I don't want to take that risk. It's very personal.
SAVIDGE: A matter of perspective.
COHEN: Absolutely.
SAVIDGE: Elizabeth Cohen, thank you very much.
A holiday scandal in a catalog.
JEFF FLOCK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I'm Jeff Flock at a shopping mall, a breezy one outside Chicago. That's the Abercrombie & Fitch catalog. We'll take an up close and personal look at it and talk to some shoppers, and see if their taste sensibilities have been offended -- Marty.
SAVIDGE: All right, we will look forward to that, Jeff.
The holiday season means Hollywood blockbusters, but will this year's big releases boom or bust? Jerry Penacoli joins us with the inside scoop when we come back.
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SAVIDGE: Happy holidays.
Well, it is supposed to sell clothes but some say there is more skin than clothes in Abercrombie & Fitch's new holiday catalog. Its multiple nude photos even have some groups calling for a boycott. CNN's Jeff Flock is live in Skokie, Illinois. He's been looking into this one. Jeff, how are you?
FLOCK: Marty, we're trying to take the pulse on this. And I hesitate to show too much here, but I do want to show you the cover even though some people even find the cover objectionable.
It's the Abercrombie & Fitch catalogs. They do these quarterly. Some people think they've really pushed the bounds this time. Much of it, and I'm going to show you the part that we can show. Much of it is catalog. Looks like any old catalog. Pardon the Chicago wind.
Then you get to another area and perhaps we have some pictures that we can put up to give you some sense of what it is. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's naked men and women. Some people find this objectionable. Some don't.
You, sir?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't. I think human body is a beautiful form. If they want to put it in their magazine to try to sell things, that's up to them.
FLOCK: Right, of course, the question is if you're selling clothes, why are you showing people without clothes. What do you think?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're selling the body. It's not necessary to show people naked to sell clothes.
FLOCK: So you don't buy it as a good idea. You an Abercrombie customer?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
FLOCK: How about you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am and Abercrombie customer. I even have the bag here.
FLOCK: Can you show... UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I bought jeans today. I mean, like I love their clothes. I just think the fact that they're selling -- come off as selling like naked bodies. It's horrible. It gives them a really bad impression.
FLOCK: And you have a problem with the clothes or the catalog or both?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The catalog. Not the clothes. Clothes are great. The catalogue I do.
FLOCK: Why are you offended by it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because I don't think it's selling clothes. I think it's selling sexuality. I don't think it's selling clothes at all, just sex.
FLOCK: We should point out you have to be 18 to buy this catalog. We sent somebody by today to pick up the copy that I just showed and they looked were over 18 to me, but they were asked for an I.D. So they're pretty careful about it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think in this case the sexuality is selling the clothes not the catalog selling the sexuality. It's definitely racy for a lot of our tastes, I think. But when you look at who's buying Abercrombie clothes, I go to a big college campus. Lot of guys that fit my description walk around in Abercrombie. They're the guys that are over 18. They can have the catalogue and they're the ones that are going buy...
FLOCK: They have the muscles perhaps to show that off. Gentleman from a military academy, is it?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.
FLOCK: Are guys at the military wearing Abercrombie clothes and what's your reaction?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. We wear uniforms. But on certain days everybody is wearing whatever they want. Some people wear Abercrombie and some don't.
FLOCK: The catalog?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The catalog I think is very degrading for women, showing the women's body is not necessary. I'm 18, but selling the clothes, that's a catalogue's for. If I'm flipping through it, I'm not -- I don't want to see naked bodies. I wan to see what they're selling.
It's selling the clothes. That's what a catalog is for. If I'm flipping through it, I don't want to see the naked body. I want to see what they're selling.
FLOCK: That's an Abercrombie shirt. Some talk about a boycott. Is that you? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not for the boycott. But I'm still going to buy it. I just don't agree with the catalog.
FLOCK: Last word over here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What they said was pretty much summed up how I feel.
FLOCK: OK. One last final word, Marty. A cross section of opinion. I think it pretty well represents it. The folks at Abercrombie have been putting this catalogue out for awhile. For those of us that have paged through it, I would say it gets your attention.
SAVIDGE: To be clear, is this going to show up in a mailbox? Do people have to rush to the mailbox to guard it or grab it?
FLOCK: No it will not show up in a mailbox. You have to into the store and it's got a plastic cover on it so you can't just page through it in the store. You need, as I said, to produce an I.D. that demonstrates that you're 18 before you buy the catalog. They feel like they've taken every precaution that they need to take.
SAVIDGE: Very good, Jeff Flock from Illinois. Thanks very much.
Here's your chance to weigh in on this story. Our "Web Question of the Day." Did Abercrombie & Fitch cross the line with it's new catalogue. We'll have the results later in this broadcast. Vote at cnn.com/wolf. While you're there, we'd like hear from you as always. Send us your comments and we will try to read some of them at the end of this program. That is also, of course, where you can read our daily online column, cnn.com/wolf. And we will have the results of our "Question of the Day" after this.
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SAVIDGE: In our last segment there, you saw the information we had about Abercrombie & Fitch and their catalog. We want you to read the statement that they have put out so that we are honest and fair.
It says that "Each Abercrombie & Fitch Quarterly for sale in our sales is shrink wrapped with a label to indicate the mature content of the publications. All models featured in the publication are 18 years of age and older." It goes on to say, "You must be 18 and show proper identification to purchase the quarterly. We are confident that this ensures is sold only to our intended audience." Abercrombie & Fitch, the statement.
Moving on. The holiday season typically a busy one for the movie industry, and this one no exception. We talked to "Extra" correspondent Jerry Penacoli about what we can look forward to this season.
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SAVIDGE: Jerry, thanks very much for joining us. A lot at stake here in the box office, not to mention Oscar nominations potentially.
So let's get right to it. "Lord Of The Rings: Two Towers." What are you hearing about this flick?
JERRY PENACOLI, CORRESPONDENT, "EXTRA": Well, what I'm hearing is it's going to start exactly where the last one left off because if you remember the last one, it just ended. It was like, Wait! Wait a second! You know? It left you wanting so much more.
And those of you who have read the books, you know where it's going to pick up. There's going to be a lot more action. Much more CGI battles. Just incredible things. Less fantasy in this one. But still, of course, you know, the whole thing's a fantasy film. So, you know, that's all taken care of there.
But, this is the only sequel that we're hearing Oscar about.
SAVIDGE: Really?
PENACOLI: Because, you know, it got nominated a lot last year. Didn't win that much except for a couple of technical awards. This year, look out. It might be in the top five.
SAVIDGE: All right. "Solaris." I think I'm saying it right. I've seen the trailers for this one. Sounds intriguing but I cannot figure for the life of me what it's about.
PENACOLI: Well, you know what? And neither can a lot of people who have seen it. You know? A lot of people are brought in because it was hyped up as a love story, kind of like -- remember that movie "Ghost?" Kind of a "Ghost" in space. And of course, much ado about George Clooney's butt. Whatever.
But anyway, you know -- so people were brought in to see this film and they end up leaving it going, What was that all about? It's very, very confusing, I think, in some parts, very complex. But, you know, if you're a sci-fi nut, then go see it. And you like George Clooney's butt, well, all the better.
SAVIDGE: All right. First it was "Analyze This." now "Analyze That." Is it as good as the first?
PENACOLI: Yes. Well, I'll tell you what -- this is a funny film. You know, I never saw "Analyze This." I did see "Analyze That," and I have to say, you don't need to have seen the first one to really enjoy the second one. De Niro is hilarious in this. All I'm going to tell you is that he sings and sings hysterically. And -- he actually sings a medley of songs from "West Side Story." I will give you that much. So, that's worth the price of admission right there.
SAVIDGE: "Catch Me If You Can." What do you hear on that?
PENACOLI: Big, big buzz on this. It's Spielberg's kind of, you know, box office, big-time Christmas film. You've got the return of Leonardo Dicaprio, not only in this film but in a Scorsese film, "The Gangs of New York." So you not only have a comeback from Leonardo Dicaprio in these two films, but it's really kind of a major assault because both films are opening within five days of each other. "Catch Me If You Can" is opening on Christmas Day and "Gangs Of New York" five days before.
This is pure Spielberg. It's light, it's breezy, it's Leo Dicaprio and Tom Hanks. I mean, you can't go wrong with it.
SAVIDGE: All right. "Gangs Of New York." You mentioned it. Talk some more about it.
PENACOLI: It's Martin Scorsese's big Christmas film. You know, there's been a lot of controversy surrounding this film, not just because of the subject matter. It deals with gang warfare basically in the 1860s in New York City. But there have been a lot of postponements, a lot of delays surrounding this movie. So the scuttlebutt has been, gosh, we don't know if it's going to be as good as what a Scorsese film generally is.
However, they also said "Titanic" was going to be a very bad film because of budget overruns, because of delays. And look what happened to that.
SAVIDGE: Sure. Absolutely.
PENACOLI: So, you just never know.
SAVIDGE: All right. "Chicago," the musical. Now, what? Going to be a movie? And will it work?
PENACOLI: Yes, well, you know, you've got a stellar cast in Catherine Zeta Jones, Renee Zellweger, Richard Gere. The clips that I have seen of this film and I have seen many of them -- it looks fantastic.
You know, "Moulin Rouge" opened the door last year to bringing back the musical. And "Chicago" just takes it 10 steps further. It's edgy. It's great music. It's -- if you're familiar with the show it's a terrific musical. So this one I think you should catch. Definitely.
SAVIDGE: Jerry Penacoli, "Extra" correspondent, thanks very much for coming in and talking movies.
PENACOLI: Happy holidays to ya'll.
SAVIDGE: And to you.
PENACOLI: Thank you.
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SAVIDGE: One year ago the former Beatle George Harrison died of brain cancer at the age of 58. Tonight his life and music are being celebrated in a tribute concert in London. Performers include some of his close friends who are also, arguably, some of the world's greatest musical artists. The tribute is our "Picture of the Day." (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
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ERIC CLAPTON, MUSICIAN: All I wanted to do was really share our love for George and his music.
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RINGO STARR, MUSICIAN: It's a reflection and a celebration. Our dear friend George died on that date. It's one year to the day. And it's sort of a positive move.
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OLIVIA HARRISON, WIDOW AND CONCERT ORGANIZER: He wanted to raise money in order to allow people to explore other cultures and philosophies.
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JEFF LYNNE, MUSICIAN: I think it just felt like George deserved to have all his music played and recorded in just one night, big special night of that. And because he's got so many great songs and they should be there showcased. And, you know, it's his life's work.
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SAVIDGE: Ah, to be at that concert.
Well, now here's how you're weighing in on our "Web Question of the Day." Remember, earlier, we asked you this: "Did Abercrombie & Fitch cross the line with its new catalog?" Forty-seven percent of you said yes, while 53 percent of you said no.
Time now to hear from you and read some of your e-mail.
Norman writes, "All commercial airliners should definitely be equipped with missile evasion technology. The expense, however high, would be minuscule in comparison to the loss of a commercial jet at the hands of SAM-armed terrorists."
And from Sean, "The attack in Kenya is likely to be the first of many of its kind. The government needs to put more military planes on patrol to protect commercial airlines from missile attacks."
As always, we love to hear from you.
That's all we have time for today. It's been a great week being with you. I'm Martin Savidge. Wolf Blitzer will be back for Sunday's "LATE EDITION." His guests: co-chairmen of the 9/11 commission Henry Kissinger and George Mitchell. That's Sunday, noon Eastern.
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