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North Korea Accusing Trump; Trump Attacks On NFL; Trump On Nascar; LeBron James Press Conference; GOP Unveils Revised Health Care Bill. Aired 1-1:30p ET

Aired September 25, 2017 - 13:00   ET

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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, I'm Wolf Blitzer. It's 1:00 p.m. here in Washington, 6:00 p.m. in London and 1:30 a.m. Tuesday morning in Pyongyang, North Korea. Wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us.

President Trump igniting a culture war by attacking professional athletes who kneel for "The National Anthem." The backlash severe and now the president is refusing to back down.

Critical condition, the new Republican effort to overturn Obamacare gets more dire. But will a last-minute twist, an 11th hour deal change the bill's fate?

And don't forget us. Millions of Americans in Puerto Rico right now without power, food and water. They are begging for help. The Trump administration being criticized for not doing enough.

ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

BLITZER: All of that, but we begin with breaking news. A very, very dangerous accusation just moments ago. A top North Korean official now says President Trump has declared war on North Korea.

Over the weekend, the president tweeted, quote, "just heard the foreign minister of North Korea speak at the U.N. If he echoes thoughts of little rocket man, they won't be around much longer," closed quote.

In light of that tweet, the foreign minister, Ri Yong Ho, says all countermeasures are now on the table, and he says that includes the right to shoot down U.S. bombers flying over the Korean Peninsula, even if they do not enter North Korean air space.

Let's bring in Colonel Steve Warren, retired U.S. Army, to talk about this. He's a former spokesman for the defense secretary, James Mattis, a CNN Military Analyst.

So, Steve, how serious are the foreign minister's comments? How seriously should the U.S. military be taking those words?

COL. STEVE WARREN, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Wolf, we have to take these words very seriously. What went under, if not completely ignored, was that on Friday the U.S. sent a B-1 bomber and some F-15Cs north of the DMZ off the coast of North Korea. So, Ri's comments were, really, addressing something that had just happened. So, you have a combination of his comments, plus the president's tweet, plus the American flights north of the -- of the DMZ, although outside of Korean air space. What we see here is several events kind of coming together at the same time in the same place.

Let's be clear, the United States has not and never has declared war on North Korea here in the -- in the last few weeks. But what is also clear is this war of words that you mentioned is becoming more and more serious.

BLITZER: The Pentagon just responded with a statement, Steve. Let me read it to you and to our viewers. The military will take all options to make sure that we safeguard our allies, our partners and our homeland.

So, if North Korea does not stop their provocative actions, we'll make sure we provide options to the president to deal with North Korea.

So, what kind of military options is the Pentagon talking about right now? Because, clearly, this crisis is escalating quickly and dramatically.

WARREN: The crisis is escalating quickly and dramatically. And, Wolf, there's a range of options. And some of them that we saw, for example, just on Friday which is to fly some strategic bombers and some fighter aircraft ever closer and closer to North Korea. This is, kind of, loud sabre rattling.

We, of course, could move and position more forces both sea and air based closer to the North Korean country, to the Korean Peninsula. And, of course, we can increase the alert status of our forces that are in South Korea. These are, kind of, the early stage military options that we can take.

Much more kinetic options, of course, also remain on the table. We hope it never gets to that.

BLITZER: We know that the -- in the past, there have been confrontations between North Korea and South Korea. Years ago -- a few years ago, there was even a shooting of a -- you know, a missile that destroyed a South Korean warship, killing about 50 or 60 South Korean sailors. That was a very tense moment.

If something like that were to happen now, is there an escalation that would immediately result in a war? Because this is a very, very tense situation.

WARREN: This is a very tense situation and we always hope that cooler heads would prevail. If we fly more strategic aircraft near the North Koreans and they choose to try and shoot one of those aircraft down, this could be a flashpoint.

If the North Koreans feel that they're being overly threatened and choose to fire some sort of rockets, missiles, artillery into South Korea and strike American forces. We have just under 30,000 -- approximately 30,000 U.S. forces stationed in Korea. This could be a -- become a flashpoint which will lead to greater trouble.

[13:05:00] So, there are -- this is a powder keg right now, Wolf. And this is something that we need cooler heads on both sides to be really beginning to prevail here.

BLITZER: Col. Steve Warren, thanks very much for that analysis. Much more on that story coming up.

But, right now, I also want to get to the battle that's raging between President Trump and pro-athletes. NFL players and owners say the president is, clearly, they say, out of bounds.

But the president standing by his explosive comments about players protesting during "The National Anthem." Athletes and owners across the league, they responded by protesting the president, what he had to say. Some even refused to stand while others locked arms in a clear show of solidarity.

The president set off the firestorm by calling on owners to fire, quote, "the SOBs who don't stand during "The National Anthem." An emotional Miami Dolphin safety, Michael Thomas, explains why he had to take a firm position.

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MICHAEL THOMAS, SAFETY, MIAMI DOLPHINS: You're the leader of the free world. That's what you -- that's what you're talking about.

So, as a man, as a father, as an African-American man, as somebody in the NFL, as one of those son of (INAUDIBLE), you know, like, yes, I took it personally.

But, at the same time, like I said in my Twitter post, it's bigger than me, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's bigger than me. I've got a daughter. She's going to have to live in this world. You know what I'm saying?

I'm going to do whatever I've got to do to make sure, you know, she can look at my dad -- look at her dad and be, like, hey, you tried --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: Let's bring in our panel to discuss all these dramatic words. Jason Reid is an NFL writer for "The Undefeated." Our Senior Political Reporter Nia-Malika Henderson. Mike Wise, he's a senior writer and columnist for ESPN's "The Undefeated." Christine Brennan is a CNN sport analyst and columnist for "USA Today."

So, Jason, were you surprised how this -- we see the escalation and the rhetoric involving North Korea. But this has escalated dramatically over the past few days. Were you surprised?

JASON REID, SENIOR NFL WRITER, "THE UNDEFEATED" ON ESPN: Well, no, I wasn't, Wolf, for this reason. NFL players are aware of what happened in Charlottesville. They're aware of the comments that the president made about very fine people.

And then, they see that and they hear that, and then you took -- look at their situation, and they're called sons of Bs for essentially just protesting peacefully, exercising their first amendment right. And people were actually involved in committing violence are said to be very fine people.

So, I wasn't surprised at all. Actually, on Friday night when this thing started to break, I had several NFL assistant coaches and players who were texting me into the day on Saturday saying they had never seen the level of anger among the players over the situation.

BLITZER: It's not just the players. It's the owners, the coaches. Mike, you've covered the NFL for a long time. It's pretty extraordinary right now.

MIKE WISE, SENIOR WRITER AND COLUMNIST, "THE UNDEFEATED" ON ESPN: Well, the funny thing about this whole issue, Wolf, is Donald Trump has essentially galvanized owners and players over the same issue.

There was a very big divide between not just whether Colin Kaepernick is resigned and whether this whole "National Anthem" protest is going to work or not, but most owners would prefer that these athletes stood and didn't alienate any of their customer base.

And now, they're locking arms with them, another shocking development. The NFL Players Association president, Demoore Smith, and Roger Goodell are on the same page. So, everybody has bonded over the common enemy, for some reason. And the common enemy, shockingly, happens to be the president of the United States.

BLITZER: Yes. The NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell.

How do you see this, Christine, because you've covered the NFL for a long time, and pro-sports. We heard what the president had to say about Steph Curry and the warriors.

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST: Well, certainly, he has met his match, in terms of Twitter followers, decimal (ph) level. You know, we know and this is your area and we are -- the issues over the last, what, eight, nine months with Trump taking on certain groups.

He's never met a force quite like the football establishment and the NBA establishment. I think that's the difference here. They can answer back. They are answering back. As I said, they're unified. But I think it's also -- they've got fans not just in blue states but in red states.

BRENNAN: And so, the demographics of sports and the conversation, the national conversation that we often have in sports. We've had it a million times, all of us here on this panel. Well, that brings in people who are otherwise not in these conversations. And that's why, I think, frankly, the football players, the NFL won the weekend and Donald Trump lost the weekend.

BLITZER: But there are plenty of Americans, Nia, you know this, we all know this, who agree with the president. They think it's disrespectful for these players to get down on the knee when "The National Anthem" is being played before a game.

NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Yes. And, in that way, I think the president thinks he's on safe ground on this. So, I think, historically, protests aren't necessarily met with open arms. Right?

I mean, they're called protests for a reason. They're disruptive. They're not like parades that are typically met with cheers. I mean, if you look back on the march on Washington, that -- people didn't agree with that either. I think 60 percent of the public didn't agree with that.

[13:10:00] I think the question now for the country is, what does it mean that the country has a president that so willingly wants to play politics with race? He really wants to wallow in a white grievance of politics and divide people based on race.

You know, in talking to some Republicans, particularly conservative Republicans, they feel like this works for the base. I've talked to some black GOP folks who they think they might see some black GOPers at the state and local level leave the party.

At this point, it's a real question, I think, not only for Trump politically, whether or not it works. You know, is it good or bad for him politically? But what does it mean for the Republican Party brand in the country?

BLITZER: Mike, do you want to weigh in?

WISE: Yes, I just wanted to say, and Jason and me are this -- I think we were lockstep on this. It bothers us, having talked to a lot of athletes, that it's somehow the notion that this is a protest that has become, you know, a referendum over your feelings about the anthem and the flag. When it's been completely reframed.

A lot of these athletes, they -- I talked to John Carlos for a column in "The Undefeated" today. John Carlos, who raised his fist in Mexico City in 1968 said, we were about human rights. We weren't about -- we did not hate America. We wanted America to do better.

And until people can, you know, open their hearts to some of these players and realize that they only want America to do better. They don't hate the country. They -- and I think that's a big difference. It's a big difference.

HENDERSON: Yes, and that's a form of patriotism, too, right? I mean, asking that the country live up to its ideals. I mean, that's essentially what Martin Luther King said and did. He had the march on --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Speak out against injustice.

HENDERSON: Exactly. I mean, it isn't just that soldiers are patriots and first responders are patriots, there are other forms of patriotism as well.

REID: And this is a first amendment right. I mean, I think that that's been a law (INAUDIBLE.) And the people who were booing the players, the reality of it is, they're exercising their first amendment rights.

So, you know, can we at least get on the same page that these peaceful protests are totally lawful and they're not against the NFL CBA. So, when we talk about what these players are doing, you can have a problem with their politics. I don't take issue with that.

But you can't have a problem that what they're doing is against the law. And that's how this thing is being framed, like suddenly they're something that, well, is against the U.S. Constitution. No, this is what the U.S. Constitution is about.

BRENNAN: But don't you think -- I mean, look at the ratings. The ratings went up, right?

HENDERSON: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, right.

BRENNAN: People tuned in like crazy at the pre-game shows. Now, that's obviously both ways, right? You could have people who were angry about this.

WISE: So, Colin Kaepernick can now make people money? I did not know this.

BRENNAN: Right, he's -- yes, when is Colin Kaepernick going to be signed? That's maybe another issue, too, because, now, oh, by the way, Colin Kaepernick's your problem? I don't think so.

But I do think it's interesting because one of Trump's main arguments, Wolf, was that, oh, people are going to turn it off. They don't care. It's a business argument, right? Well, that's -- he's wrong on that, too. Quite the opposite. They made more money yesterday. The owners did.

BLITZER: Isn't there a racial issue here in this whole uproar that has developed? I think -- I don't know the exact statistics. But I think about 70 percent of the NFL players are African-American. I think about 80 percent of the NBA players --

REID: About 74 percent.

BLITZER: Yes, are African-American. How do you see this? Because some have suggested -- the president says this has nothing to do with race but others have suggested it does have something to do with race.

REID: Well, I know, just based on my reporting and talking to African-American players in the NFL, they feel it has -- it's totally about race. The initial reason that Colin Kaepernick knelt -- or sat and then knelt was to draw attention to the oppression of black people and brown people in the U.S. And if you can't get on the same page that there are differences within the black community, how people are treated, policing issues, criminal justice issues.

Now, we can't even have a dialogue because, I mean, these are just facts. Yes, so when you talk about is this partly -- is this issue around race? Of course it's around race.

WISE: And the guys who are essentially protesting are almost 99 percent African-American. When you're calling them SOBs and you're questioning their employment, I don't --

REID: And you talk about their mothers.

WISE: And you talk about their mothers in that -- in that quote. I mean, it's like Lorenzo Alexander, a friend of ours and a guy from the Buffalo Bills. He was totally on the fence against this and Trump galvanized him to kneel with his team mates yesterday.

HENDERSON: (INAUDIBLE) brought up Nascar.

BLITZER: You know, I want to just read the tweet from this morning.

HENDERSON: Yes.

BLITZER: I found a few of these tweets. The -- this is the president. The issue of kneeling has nothing to do with race, the president tweeted. It is about respect for our country, flag and national anthem. NFL must respect this.

HENDERSON: Yes. And, I mean, this idea that it's not about race. He also tweeted about Nascar, right, praising the sport of Nascar, praising the fans, and, of course, Nascar is overwhelmingly white, the drivers as well as the fans. So, it's hard not to --

BLITZER: This is the tweet on Nascar. So proud of Nascar and its supporters and fans. They won't put up with disrespecting our country or our flag. They said it loud and clear.

HENDERSON: Yes. And so, I mean, that's why it's hard not to see, sort of, a contrast here. I mean, what he -- this, sort of, a race- based, you know, kind of conversation that he is inciting in the division.

BRENNAN: And when you talk about Nascar, what are we see at Nascar? More flags.

WISE: Confederate flags.

BRENNAN: Yes, it's not the U.S. flag. It's the confederate flag. I mean, (INAUDIBLE.)

[13:15:02] WISE: Which they apparently banned on the track but all the tailgaters, a lot of them, still use them.

HENDERSON: Yes. Yes. BRENNAN: Sure. And so not only -- look at what we just talked about, race -- all race related, whether it's history, civil war and confederate flags, which is, of course, Nascar. Who is he praising is coming to the White House? The Pittsburgh Penguins, the NHL team. That's great. They have every right to do it. Of course, that's fantastic if they want to go. But the NHL is probably 98 percent white. So every --

JASON REID, SENIOR NFL WRITER< ESPN'S "THE UNDEFEATED": And the Warriors have been disinvited.

BRENNAN: And, of course, they're from the NBA, which is 78 percent African-American. So, here we go. Every single point we're making here, there is a kind of a common denominator at play.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: You wanted to say something, Jason?

REID: Well, I just think that when you -- when you look at the NFL and you look at where things are in the league right now, just talking to assistant coaches and talking to players, the level of anger has never been higher. And, again, I go back to Charlottesville. If the comments had not been made about very fine people, and then on this end you have comments being made about mothers and get them out of here and fire them, I mean it's very hard for these players who are -- these guys -- these guys are thoughtful and they do think about things and they -- and they do have families. It's very difficult -- we saw Michael -- the clip of Michael Thomas. It's very difficult for them --

BLITZER: Yes.

REID: To accept that what is being talked about is not what's being talked about.

BLITZER: All right, guys, a good conversation, a good discussion. This conversation, though, is not going away.

Jason Reid, Christine Brennan, Mike Wise, Nia-Malika Henderson, all, thanks to you.

So, how will the White House react to all of this? The White House briefing moments from now. We'll have live coverage right here on CNN. Stand by for that.

Plus, as more Republicans come out against the latest health care plan, I'll speak live with one of the bill's co-sponsors, Senator Bill Cassidy. He's standing by live. Is he closing in on a surprise 11th hour deal to try and pass it?

And breaking news out of Puerto Rico right now. There is a human catastrophe that is unfolding right now. A dam on the verge of collapsing. Millions of Americans, 3.5 million Americans are in Puerto Rico right now. They are all U.S. citizens. They are begging the Trump administration for more help. CNN is on the ground. We'll update you on that when we come back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LEBRON JAMES, CLEVELAND CAVALIERS: Let me sit up here and say that we are trying to make a difference because we know this is the greatest country in the world. It's the land of the free. But we still have problems, just like everybody else. And when we have those problems, we have to figure out a way how we come together and be as great as we can be as a people. Because the people run this country, not one individual. And damn sure not him.

So as I got this platform and as I -- people, I have a way to inspire and I have a way for my word to be -- to be bond (ph), I will lend my voice. I will lend my passion. I will lend my money. I will lend my resources to my youth in my inner city and outside of my inner city to let these kids know that, you know, there is hope. There is -- there's greater walks of life. And not one individual, no matter if it's the president of the United States or if it's someone in your household, can stop your dreams from becoming a reality.

[13:20:23] It's that simple. Or maybe not that simple if you can't appreciate it.

QUESTION: Hey, Bron, Tom Weathers (ph) AP.

Again, do you -- is there any regret that you got into a name-calling situation with the president?

JAMES: No. The name calling? What did I say? Let me hear you say it?

QUESTION: You called him -- you called him a bum.

JAMES: That's not a name call. It's a -- it's like, you bum. Me and my friends call each other that all the time. I'm not his friend, though. Don't ever -- don't -- I don't want to see that on a note. He's not my friend.

QUESTION: OK, and --

JAMES: But -- no. No. That was the first thing that -- when I woke up and saw what he said about Steph Curry -- first of all, it's so funny because it's like you inviting me to your party, right? As a matter of fact, it's not -- it's not like you invited me. It's almost like, you know, Tom, hey, I'm not going to be able to make it. I'm not coming. And then you'd be like, hey, LeBron, guess what, you're not invited. I was coming anyways.

So that was funny to me when I woke up and saw that. So my -- and my first initial response was, you bum. You -- you -- I can't -- first of all, you don't understand the magnitude and you don't understand -- he doesn't understand the power that he has for being a leader of this beautiful country. He doesn't understand how many kids, no matter the race, look up to the president of the United States for guidance, for leadership, for words of encouragement. He doesn't understand that.

And that's what makes me more -- that's what makes me more sick than anything, that we have someone as -- this is the most -- this is the number one position in the world. Do you guys agree? Being the president of the United States is the most powerful position in the world. I don't know of another one. And if you can find one, let me know.

It's the most powerful position in the world and we are at a time where the most powerful position in the world has an opportunity to bring us closer together as a people and inspire the youth and put the youth at ease on saying that it is OK for me to walk down the street and not be judged because of the color of my skin or because of my race. And he has no recollection of that. And he doesn't even care. Maybe he does, but he doesn't care. So do I take away, do I just say -- do I just say take away "you bum" off my (INAUDIBLE) tweet?

QUESTION: Do you find it -- is there -- is there a positive in all of this, Bron, in that he's --

JAMES: Absolutely. The conversation --

QUESTION: He's awakened people and conversations are happening?

JAMES: The conversation is happening. Me, D-wade (ph), Melo and CP (ph) stood on a -- on the biggest night in sports at the ESPYs. Stood on the stage. That's the biggest night in sports where all our colleagues from all over the world are, other sports and champions and, you know, people who have been praised all over the world for their accomplishment over that last year, and we stood on stage and we understood the magnitude that we were headed into.

So I love the fact that the conversation has started. I watched "Sunday Countdown" yesterday at 10:00. And for the first 20 minutes, Charles Woodson, you know, Rex Ryan, Randy Moss, those guys -- those guys all sat up there and talked about it for 30 minutes. And Rex Ryan, if you guys saw it, said he supported Trump in the beginning. And he voted for Trump and gave Trump money. And actually had -- said -- and had a rally for Trump. And he said he don't know if he made the right choice.

So the conversation is being had.

QUESTION: Bron, Scott Sergeant (ph), WFNY.

You started off your kind of presentation about the unifying measures in the NFL and how proud you were to see that. A lot can change between now and October 17, but do you foresee anything like that trickling down through the NBA?

JAMES: I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if some trickled down to the NBA if no change happened between now and the 17th. So I wouldn't be surprised.

QUESTION: Steve Ashburn (ph) --

BLITZER: All right, so there he is, LeBron James of the Cleveland Cavaliers, speaking out against President Trump and this latest uproar that has developed about some of the NFL players kneeling during the national anthem. The president going after them, calling them Friday night in that speech in Alabama SOBs.

[13:25:07] We're going to continue to watch this story, but there's other important news we're watching right now as well, including a last-minute attempt to get their health care bill off the critical list. We're talking about Republicans. They have now unveiled a new version that includes provisions designed to try to win over holdout lawmakers from the states of Alaska and Maine. Senator Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins have both indicated their support is unlikely, but not completely impossible.

Meantime, Senator Rand Paul and Senator John McCain, they have both said they won't support this current legislation. This morning, President Trump once again attacked Senator McCain for his opposition.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You know, you can call it what you want, but that was a -- that's the only reason we don't have it because of John McCain. Nobody thought he was a negative vote. Without John McCain, we have -- we'd already have the health care. And it would have been very good, by the way.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: The bill appears to have a little popular support out there. A new CBS poll shows only about 20 percent of Americans back this bill, 52 percent say they can't support it.

I want to bring in Senator Bill Cassidy. He's the co-sponsor of the bill. He's also a physician himself.

Senator, thanks very much for joining us.

SEN. BILL CASSIDY (R) CO-SPONSOR OF HEALTH CARE BILL: Hey, thank you for having me.

BLITZER: All right, so as you heard, there are several of your Republican colleagues who say they are unlikely to support this bill, Senator McCain, Senator Paul, maybe Senator Mike Lee, maybe Senator Ted Cruz. Is it over right now? Because you got to get this done by the end of the week. Can you bring them on board?

CASSIDY: Absolutely. If the -- the basic principles that we give the patient the power and give states the resources to provide care for those who don't have. So just -- Mike Lee and Ted Cruz love that. And Susan Collins is always -- is always about, and rightfully so, bringing health care to low-income Mainers. Her state will get a billion dollars more, not because we put something specifically for Maine, we did the same thing for Virginia. They're not going to vote for us. But with that money, Maine can help provide services for low- income Mainers. We think that it's good policy, which therefore will get folks to vote for it.

BLITZER: Because, as you know, your critics are pointing out these latest changes that were only announced last night, the latest version accommodates Alaska, for example, and you're looking for Lisa Murkowski, for her support, by allowing Native Americans there, Alaskans, they could remain in Medicaid expansion if they enroll before 2020. So why was this last-minute accommodation so important? CASSIDY: Couple things. First, Native Americans have always been

treated differently than others when it comes to Medicaid with the federal government paying 100 percent of their costs. We preserve that.

Secondly, Hawaii and Alaska have costs that are about 1.5 times the rest of our country. We did for both Hawaii and Alaska the same thing. If Medicaid is going to reimbursement you on cost, it should reflect the cost of care, not that which is in the other 48 states. That's good policy. That also helps Hawaii. I don't think they're going to vote for us, even though it's great policy for Hawaii.

BLITZER: How will you guarantee that those with preexisting conditions, Americans with preexisting conditions, will have the assurance they need that is affordable to them after this bill becomes law? Because, as you know, so many experts are saying these people are going to be potentially in deep trouble if your legislation were, in fact, signed into law.

CASSIDY: They absolutely would have protection in three ways. First, the legislation says that if a state wants to do things differently, the state has to first show that those who have preexisting conditions have access to affordable and adequate coverage. And affordable means you can afford it.

Secondly, governors, most states have stronger protections than the federal government, but governors are elected. The people who clear this just assume that governors are scheming to take protections away from the folks who elected them to office. That typically doesn't occur.

And, thirdly, let me also point out, your supposition is that people can afford policies on the individual exchange now. If you're not getting the subsidy, you're paying $30,000 to $40,000 a year and you're about to see a 20 to 50 percent increase depending upon where you live. That is not affordable. We're trying to replace that with something which works.

BLITZER: But you know, senator, and you've seen it, that a lot of these expert organizations, health organizations, say you're completely wrong. They're opposing your version of health care, including, for example, the American Medical Association, the AARP, the American Heart Association, and a whole lot more. We've got a whole bunch of medical organizations up on the screen who say you're wrong, this is a horrible deal, it's worse for the American people. How do you respond to these medical associations like the American Medical Association and the AARP?

[13:29:59] CASSIDY: Let's first talk about something they base their analysis on, a study by Avaleer (ph), which scored our bill over 20 years. The bill is only for 10 years. So Avaleer said we cut $3.2 trillion, but that's over 20 years because the bill has to be