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More US Troops to Iraq; Latest Actions in FIFA Investigation; Armed Men Killed in Egypt; Putin Meets with Pope Francis Amid Heightened Ukraine Violence; South Korean MERS Cases Rising
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MAX FOSTER, HOST: Tonight, new American troops heading to Iraq. The White House announces it will send hundreds more to help train Iraqi forces. But
will it be enough to turn the tide against ISIS?
Plus Swiss investigators seize new computer data from FIFA, we have the latest details for you.
Also the President meets the Pope. Violence in Ukraine is high on the agenda as the pontiff and Putin meet, we're live in Rome.
And from a treacherous sea journey to the heart of Europe, we follow the trial of migration to Germany where some are struggling to find a home.
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Hello, I'm Max Foster, live from CNN London, this is The World Right Now.
The United States is adding more boots on the ground in Iraq to strengthen the fight against ISIS.
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It's deploying as many as 450 additional military advisors to train joint Iraqi forces at a military base in Anbar Province. Government troops and
tribal fighters are preparing a major counter-offensive to retake Ramadi, the capital of Anbar.
The U.S. says its additional military trainers will advise and assist but will not be drawn into battle.
JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The President's been clear about what's not on the table and that is a large scale ground combat
operation inside of Iraq. And the reason the President has ruiled out that option is the President does not believe it is in the national security
interest of the United States for us to do for the Iraqis what they must do for themselves.
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FOSTER: The White House says Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi asked the U.S. to send those extra troops. We're covering the story from all
angles for you tonight.
Senior International Correspondent, Ben Wedeman live in Baghdad, and the White House Correspondent, Michelle Kosinski is in Washington.
Ben, let's start with you. Did the Iraqis' get everything they wanted from the White House? What was the request?
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well what we understand is yes, Haider al-Abadi did request additional training from the
U.S. but what we heard today we were up right outside Baiji speaking with Iraqi army commandors and they said.
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That while training is useful what they really desperately need is more weapons and more heavy weapons. One commander was complaining to me that
some of their troops are using sticks like they did back in World War 2 to detect mines. And of course mines and IEDs are really their biggest
challenge -one of the biggest challenges the Iraqi army faces and they said they need modern equipment to do that, not sticks.
And so by and large certainly out in the field when you speak to people who are on the front lines, they say they desperately need more weapons and
they need better air cover. They complain that for instance that since the U.S. air campaign - the U.S. lead air campaign began last year the daily
average of strikes is 15 a day on Syria and Iraq together compared for instance that during the NATO bombardment of Libya back in 2011 there were
70 strikes a day. So they'd like to see more weapons and a much larger role for U.S. lead coalition aircraft over Iraq and Syria.
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FOSTER: Michelle, what is the caution here from the White House?
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hi Max, well they don't want to get ahead of things, they don't want to talk about strategy in terms of
what's coming next. They're concerned about troops on the ground. Because the question came up several times today you know these additional U.S.
troops, only 450 of them, but that is a substantial number when you consider that the total number right now is just over 3,000.
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So this is a significant increase although we're not talking about thousands upon thousands or 10 thousands more, but they're going to be
positioned right between ISIS held Ramadi and Fallujah. So of course the questions are there about is this mission creep which is always talked
about in terms of U.S. missions. And is this going to put these troops at significant risk because of the location? And this is a location that the
White House is saying is key and has been necessary and this is going to be able to really ramp things up for the Iraqi forces in this area.
U.S. officials today said that yes, this is a dangerous place and troops will be at some risk, but then the number one goal here is to really
increase that troop capacity on the ground.
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And it's not as if they're expecting these U.S. troops to be drawn into combat or to take a combat role but they did acknowledge that you know
there is risk involved with this Max.
FOSTER: OK, and Ben how - there's lots of suspicion often about these deployments aren't there that actually they will be getting involved in a
combat role quietly on the ground. But has that ever been your experience or are they purely there for training?
WEDEMAN: Well what we've seen with the 3,000 trainers and security troops that are here now is that no they don't become involved in combat action
and that they're very much in relative terms here in Iraq they're away from the fighting. And this is really one of the complaints that you hear from
Iraqis. Is several months ago I remember one Iraqi commander telling me that it's better to have one Iranian advisor on the front lines than 400
American advisors in the green zone.
FOSTER: OK, Ben in Baghdad, thank you very much, also Michelle at the White House, thank you for bringing us your perspectives on that.
Now before the show today I spoke with Iraqi Vice President Ayad Allawi. He's welcoming the deployment of U.S. troops but says more help is needed.
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AYAD ALLAWI, IRAQ VICE PRESIDENT: I don't think this is frankly the only answer. This may be part of the answer and a small part of the answer. I
know we are in need of training, we are in need of equipment, we are in need of weapons, we are in need of intelligence to get intelligence, proper
intelligence, to know where are the strong points of ISIS, where are the weak points of ISIS, where to hit, what to do. This is unfortunately not
available yet.
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FOSTER: Well you can watch more of my interview with Vice President Allawi in less than 30 minutes from now, here on The World Right Now.
Breaking news meanwhile in the FIFA corruption scandal.
FIFA has handed over seized IT data to the Swiss Office of the Attorney General including President Sepp Blatter's computer.
The OAG is analyzing the data but won't release any details since criminal investigations are still under way.
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Meanwhile earlier in the day FIFA decided to postpone the bidding process for the 2026 World Cup. The decision was announced by FIFA Secretary
General Jerome Valcke at a news conference in Russia. Let's get the latest now from World Sports, Don Riddell.
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What more do you know about these seized computers Don?
DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Well we've just learned that in the last few minutes Max, and I guess it's a development we shouldn't be
particularly surprised by but it's further confirmation that the sharks are circling ever closer to the top men within the FIFA organization.
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Sepp Blatter is of course the President even though he said he will be standing down later this year or early next year; he remains the President.
Jerome Valcker is the Secretary General, you've just seen him out on official business in Russia as they prepare for the 2018 World Cup.
It sounds as though Mr. Valcker will have to set an appointment with his IT when he returns to Zurich to get himself a new computer because that is
what is being reported that it is those senior employees of FIFA that have had their computers conviscated by the Swiss Office of the Attorney
General.
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And of course it's confirmation that those investigations continue and FIFA's top men could well be within their sights now.
FOSTER: And we are seeing the day to day work of FIFA really being adjusted as a result of these investigations aren't we? Not just because
their computers are being taken away but this bidding process for 2026 is a long, way away but actually they're working on it at this stage and that
work is now being disrupted.
RIDDELL: Yes, I mean to be honest before today, it was hard to see how they could have conducted any World Cup bidding process given all the bad
news and all the allegations of corruption around the previous World Cups. I mean we've now got the U.S. Department of Justice and the Swiss
prosecutors looking into the bidding process for 2018 and 2022, Russia and Qatar.
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Within the last few days we've heard allegations that the 1998 World Cup and the 2010 tournametn have also been tarnished by these corruption
allegations.
So it is hard to see how they could have gone ahead anyway, how they could have expected hopeful countries to invest tens of millions of dollars in a
campaign when very few people at this point can trust that the process will be fair and honest. And I think in the end, Jerome Valcker today had
really no choice but to say they were going to postpone the commencement of the process for 2026.
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Of course it's still a long, long way away, it's 11 years away. They were going to be announcing the winner in May 2017 in Malaysia. Even at that
point nine years still to go but they are now postponing the commencement of that process and it remains to be seen how and when they're going to get
it going again.
FOSTER: OK, Don, thank you very much indeed.
Still to come on The World Right Now; the President and the pontiff.
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Valdimir Poutin heads to the Vatican for a meeting with Pope Francis. Stay with us for live reports.
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FOSTER: Egypt's President is ordering increased security at some of the country's vital sights following an attempted attack inside a popular
tourist destination.
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Two armed men were killed and another wounded after trying to get through security at an ancient temple in Luxor. CNN's Ian Lee has the details.
IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Egyptian authorities thwarted a potential devastating attack in Luxor. Three militants tried to enter the Karnak
temple with guns and explosives. Hundreds of tourists visit the site daily. An alert policeman stopped the men near the entrance. Two
militants were killed and one injured in the incident according to the Ministry of Interior. Five people including civilians were injured added
the Health Ministry. No tourists were harmed and nobody claimed responsibility.
This is the first deadly attack on a Luxor tourist site since 1997 when gunmen killed 62 people most international tourists. In a statement
Egypt's Minister of Tourism, Khaled Rami said the government of Egypt places the highest priority on the safety of tourists in our country. We
have enhanced security meausres in place at all our sites and we continue to take every possible measure to ensure that no harm comes to anyone
visiting Egypt.
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This attack comes just a week after gunmen shot and killed two policemen near the great pyramids. The targeting of tourist sites represents a major
escalation by militants.
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Until recently they've almost exclusively targeted Egyptian government officials and security forces killing hundreds of police and soldiers and
even civilians caught in the cross fires since the over throw of Islamist President Mohamed Morsi in July 2013.
It is not known who's behind the violence but in a post last month on its official Arabic website the muslim brotherhood appeared to endorse a call
to arms by urging followers to "resist this coup by all means until the fall of the regime" and asserted the "legitimate right to self defense."
Tourism is a major source of income for Egypt which has been struggling since the 2011 revolution. After this attack it's likely to struggle a
little longer.
Ian Lee, CNN, Cairo.
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FOSTER: Now one is the leader of one of the world's biggest religions, the other is a major political leader, albeit a polarizing one.
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Today Pope Francis and Russian President Vladimir Putin met at the Vatican. It's the first time since 2013 that the two have met and the political
world has changed since then. Escalating violence in Ukraine loomed large over the talks.
Earlier President Putin met with the Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi and spoke about the need to find a peaceful solution there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Prime Minister and I also said concerns about the crisis in Ukraine and the fact there's no alternative to a peaceful
settlement in Russia and Italy once you emphasized it with full implementation of the Minsk agreements.
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FOSTER: Well we're going to get the latest on this meeting now from Nick Robertson. He joins me from Rome, and Matthew Chance is live in Moscow for
us.
First of all, Nick, the Pope is under pressure from Ukrainian Catholics, also Americans, under a lot of pressure to address Ukraine with Putin. So
where did he go with that?
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NICK ROBERTSON: CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well the issue was addressed and the statement that the Vatican released said that there
should be a sincere commitment and great effort to achieving piece, that all efforts should be made through building dialogue and that everyone,
President Putin and the Pope in this meeting agreed that this should all be done through implementing the Minsk accords. So this isn't really the sort
of language that Ukraine's Catholics were looking for. I talked to some of them outside of here a little earlier, they said they wanted the Pope to be
very clear with President Putin that Russia has a responsibility here that President - that the Pope needs to tell President Putin that his country is
the one that's interfering in Ukraine that has annexed Crimea. They wanted what they said was the truth to be told to Putin by the Pope.
What was said behind the closed doors, we don't know but this was the statement that was released by the Vatican, and of course this is the way
that the Pope does try to do business rather than alienating somebody he tries to build bridges, get piece through dialogue. So this was perhaps as
strong as we could have expected to hear at this stage from the Pope.
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FOSTER: OK, Matthew in Moscow. What was this about for President Putin though? This visit wasn't just about Ukraine was it? He's frozen out many
of these clubs like G7, he's up there on the international stage, so what was he trying to achieve today?
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, no I don't think it was about Ukraine at all from the point of view of the kremlin. I mean
look the visit to Italy was an opportunity for Vladimir Putin to say look you know I'm not isolated in the world, I'm able to stand next to Matteo
Renzi, the Italian Prime Minister who's also in the G7 and talk about you know the commerce between the two countries. I'm able to shake the hand of
the Pope, another world leader and to show my electorate - my constituency at home that despite what the west says, despite what Washington says, I'm
not isolated in the world, Russia is still connected with all these various world leaders even in the heart of Europe. And so that's been crucial for
Europe. I mean crucial for Putin rather.
One of the interesting things that Putin is trying to do as well of course at the end of this month we've got a vote at the European Union to decide
whether to automatically renew the sanctions, the economic measures against Russia. There are 28 people in the European Union - 28 countries rather,
only one of them has to vote against those sanctions being automatically rolled over and they won't be.
And so one of the things that Putin has been doing as well he's trying to use his charms, trying to perhaps influence Italy in this case to vote
against the sanctions. Although I think there's pretty much an acknowledgement in the Kremlin that that's not going to happen.
Nevertheless still trying to build alliances even in the heart of Europe, Max.
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FOSTER: Nick, for the Pope it's obviously very difficult for him to get involved in politics in this way even though he is head of state of his
small country isn't he. So if he was going to address something like Ukraine with President Putin, how can he do that anyway? Why's there this
pressure on him to get involved?
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ROBERTSON: Well there's a pressure from the Pope world wide if you will that he generates himself to seek peace and stability around the world and
he's particularly concerned when he sees that conflict happening amongst Christians, or to Christians or Christians suffering. The Middle East came
up and he agreed, according to Vatican, between President Putin and the Pope that the international community should work with an urgency to secure
peace in the Middle East for all members of society in the Middle East but in particular for religious minorities and in particular it was stated for
Christians.
So I think it's the language that the Pope uses really to you know to put pressure in a way and draw attention to the fact that he wants peace
overall.
I think it was very interesting to stand where we stood today outside the Vatican and watch President Putin drive in. There was a small group of
Russian waving supporters - Russian flag waving supporters on the road side where the cavalcade where President Putin's car drove in. It was very
interesting to notice even though this was a small group of people, this was where Russian state TV positioned their cameras right behind that group
of people so that when President Putin drove in they were able to show flag waving Russians on the streets of Europe as supporting President Putin and
of course that will be an important message for him back home Max.
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FOSTER: OK, Nick Robertson in Rome. Thank you Matthew Chance in Moscow as well.
Now South Korea's President is cancelling at trip to the United States to handle the outbreak of MERS in the country.
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More than 100 cases have now been confirmed so far with nine deaths. Hospitals are taking no risks putting more than 3,000 people now in
quarantine. Kathy Novack has more from a hospital in Seoul.
KATHY NOVACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm at an hospital in Seoul, it's one of the medical facilities treating people who have
contracted MERS. They're being kept in isolation so that other patients aren't exposed to the virus.
We're going to head inside and see how medical staff are handling the situation.
Of course we had to take the proper precautions so everyone is going to have to wear one of these.
Everyone who enters the hospital has their temperature taken. If they have a fever they're separated for checks before they can come in.
The hospital has set up these triage tents outside for anyone who may be showing suspicious symptoms. If they're suspect of having MERS they're
brought here to these isolation booths for further testing.
For the safety of the other patients in the hospital anyone with a confirmed case of MERS is kept at a completely separate building right here
in negative pressure rooms.
There are three panels of glass separating us from the people beyond those doors who have been infected with MERS and they're being monitored using
these screens here. Right now isolation is the key. Of course we know there's no vaccine so everything is being done to make sure that these
people are kept quarantined and that other patients and the medical staff are being protected.
The hospital is keeping a tight control over everyone that comes in and out so we have to sign our names and leave our phone number as a record of the
fact that we've been here and of course use hand sanitizer when we leave.
The head of the hospital (Kim Min-Chi) says as far as we know the disease is not airborne so I think we can control it soon enough.
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FOSTER: Now we're getting new details about the escape of two convicted murderers from a maximum security prison in a U.S. State of New of York.
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Investigors now believe a woman who worked with the two men had planned to pick them up after the escape but a source says the woman who was employed
by the prison changed her mind at the last minute.
Joyce Mitchell has cooperated with authorities and hasn't been charged. There've been two possible sightings of the fugitives in the area and the
manhunt continues.
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FOSTER: A Texas police officer caught on video violently pushing a teen girl to the ground at a pool party has resigned.
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Officer Eric Casebolt's response to fighting at the pool sparked immediate allegations of racism. Now Casebolt's lawyers says he regrets his actions
and the family has been forced to leave their home for safety reasons.
The officer's lawyer says Casebolt had responded to two suicide calls that day which took quite an emotional toll on him. As a result the lawyer said
Casebolt allowed his emotions to get the best of him when he responded to the incident at the pool.
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Coming up life saving surgery in South Africa for an unusual patient.
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We'll tell you how the incredible work of vets are working to save the hope of the Rhino there who was savagely beaten by poachers.
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FOSTER: Welcome back this is what's happening in the business world right now. It's good news for the markets, up 1.3 percent the Dow Jones
industrial average.
We've got similar stories across the main markets, it's not just in the U.S. but also here in Europe and the main narrative is that there was a
report really talking about how Germany may be moving towards favoring a deal that the Greeks have come up with. That they may reach a deal on the
Greek bailout which would secure the Greek economy, also secure the idea of Europe; so you can see all the main markets are up. The DAX is up more
than two percent on that news for obvious reasons.
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Hope is the apt name given to a South African rhino who is undergoing intense medical treatment to save her life.
Hope's face was left in ruins by brutal poachers targeting her horn. CNN's Diana Magnay follows her road to recovery.
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DIANA MAGNAY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The first time this Rhino faced a gun like this she suffered unimaginable trauma. Now a team of vets
dart her to save her, to clean and dress the gapping wound where her horns once were, to salvage what the poachers left of her face.
From where I'm standing you can actually see directly through her nose, she's so badly injured. The poachers darted her because it's a silent
procedure but then they hacked away at her horn with machetes so now the airflow is compromised and she's breathing mostly through her sinuses.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Going to start that, see if it works.
MAGNAY: The team have named her hope when they found her four days after the poachers had. She was in a terrible state, weak from massive blood
loss and from the after effects of the anesthetic.
DR WILLIAM FOWLDS: Infection had set in the flies had laid eggs which had then become maggots and were beginning to eat her alive. So she's been
through all of that.
MAGNAY: The team are feeling their way here. There have been just a handful of operations to save rhinos this badly injured, there's no
template for success.
The anesthetic must be closely monitored. The animal hauled to her feet periodically to keep the blood flow going plus there's very little facial
bone left to work with.
DR. JOHAN MARAIS: We will use that bone actually to fasten this dressing into the skull.
MAGNAY: That is a gruesome process. The wound must feel moist so a protective mould is drilled to the remaining bone on her face and sewn into
the skin of her nose. Hope ripped the last cover off, the itch underneath must have been unbearable, this one must hold for longer.
It'll take a while, two years perhaps until she's healed and it is a harrowing process not just for Hope but for the vets battling to help her
and others like her.
DR WILLIAM FOWLDS: Being next to animals that have been subjected to this amount of brutality is it's an incredibly emotional experience. Partially
because we are just all completely dumbstruck to the reasons behind it. But I think the importance is that there's a disassociation between what is
taking place on the ground and what animals are being subjected to through poaching and the illegal trade in wildlife and the consumers on the other
end of the world that are buying products without realizing just what the go through.
MAGNAY: Hope's horns may already be in Asia where, especially in Vietnam, rhino horn is wrongly considered to be some sort of health alexia. This is
the reality, animals brutalized, species endangered and in trauma to feed the breed of consumers who do not see the harm they're doing.
Diana Magnay, CNN, Shamwari Nature Reserve, South Africa.
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FOSTER: Amazing work being done by South African vets there.
Still to come on The World Right Now, Iraq under fire by ISIS.
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We'll speak with Vice President Ayad Allawi and see how the government is fighting back. Stay with us.
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FOSTER: Welcome back, this is what's happening in The World Right Now.
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The U.S. is sending hundreds more troops to Iraq to train, advise and assist joint forces fighting ISIS.
It says the additional personnel will not have a combat role but will work with Iraqi forces that are based in Anbar Province as they gear up for a
major offensive to retake Ramadi.
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FOSTER: Back to that breaking news on the FIFA corruption scandal.
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FIFA has handed over seized IT data to the Swiss Office of the Attorney General, including President Sepp Blatter's computer. The OAG is analyzing
the data but won't release any details since criminal investigations are still underway.
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Pope Francis held a meeting with Russian President, Vladimir Putin at the Vatican today. Mr. Putin arrived an hour late.
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It is the first time the two have met since 2013 and came as part of the Russian President's trip to Italy. A Vatican spokesman says their talks
focused on Ukraine and the Middle East.
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A prison employee is helping investigators hunting down two convicted murderers in upstate New York.
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Investigators believe the woman had planned to act as a getaway driver for the men after they escaped but she apparently changed her mind at the last
moment.
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FOSTER: Our top story is that the United States is stepping up the fight against ISIS in Iraq and not only is it sending up to 450 additional
military advices it's also aiding the delivery of weapons to grovernmetn troops and Sunni tribal areas.
Joint forces are trying to reverse dramatic ISIS gains over the past year. The militias now control about a third of the country including the
strategic cities of Ramadi and Mosul.
Iraqi Vice President Ayad Allawi says defeating ISIS will require a political victory as well as a military one.
I spoke to him earlier today first asking for his reaction to the news that hundreds more U.S. troops are heading to Iraq.
AYAD ALLAWI, IRAQ VICE PRESIDENT: I don't think this is frankly the only answer. This may be part of the answer and a small part of the answer. We
know that the current conflict is political in nature but we have to have the people of Iraq and especially of Anbar, and Mosul, and Salah ah Din,
and Diyala, and (inaudible) Baghdad to buy in the political process and to buy in the (inaudible) ISIS. This is what I see as the most essential part
of what we have to do.
FOSTER: The Prime Minister of Iraq went to the White House asked for certain support in this battle against ISIS, you got this 450 troops, what
else did you ask for that you didn't get?
ALLAWI: Well I know we are in need of training, we are in need of equipment, we are in need of equipment, we are in need of weapons, we are
in need of intelligence, to get intelligence proper intelligence, to know where are the strong points of ISIS, where are the weak points of ISIS,
where to hit, what to do. This is unfortunately not available yet and I feel also on top of that that we need to achieve a political victory by as
I said having the people of these provinces to buy in and to be part and parcel of the - of all our effort against ISIS.
FOSTER: It's all a bit of a mess isn't it really? If you've got the sort of Iranians and Shia fighters controlling ground operations in many of
these areas, and you've got the coalition controlling the air operation and they're not in direct contact at least with Iranians; there's very little
control of this in your own country and even President Obama says that the coalition strategy isn't there yet, it's not cohesive, it's not working.
ALLAWI: Well, indeed, unfortunately Iraq was rendered very weak in the beginning during the occupation. The instituations of Iraq were completely
dismantled including the armed forces, including the intelligence, including the police force et cetera, and this really opened the door, wide
open to the interferrance of regional powers as we have seen and as being illustrated by what Iran is trying to do in Iraq and the rest of the
region.
That's why we feel that the President of the allied forces and the political world of the international community as well as the regional
community is extremely important to be in Iraq and to be supportive of the fight against ISIS. We should not allow only one power to be in control of
the situation on the ground with given the fact that the Iraq army unfortunately is not able to handle the situation because it lacks arms, it
lacks, morale, it lacks a lot of issues that would leave them to achieve victory against ISIS.
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FOSTER: Ayad Allawi. Now it's as staggering number. More than 100,000 migrants have fled their homelands and made the tretcherous journey across
the Mediterranean in search of safety and a better life.
Many have been plucked from the sea but many others haven't been so lucky.
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Tonight we want to bring you the stories of those who have made it to Europe. In a moment, Karl Penhaul will take us to Germany, a country which
takes in far more asylum seekers than any other European nation but first we begin in the Greek island of Kos. An island inundated with migrants
crossing the Mediteraranean.
ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: At the abandoned Captain Elias hotel in Kos life isn't what it used to be. At least not for its new
guests.
Here in mid (inaudible) that attracted travellers the world over is an image that inspires little today. Migrants sleeping on stained used
matresses with no electricity or basic sanitation.
It's here I meet Sultan Sajarfi and his family who have been sleeping, living and dining on the hotel veranda for 10 days and counting.
Amid the playfulness with his daughter this Afghan father hides a life full of sorrow and hardship.
SULTAN SAJARFI: I remember when I was so little one night some group around our house and threatened us with guns.
SOARES: He was only six years of age back then but Sultan remembers it like it were yesterday.
SAJARFI: If it don't go out from this land you will kill all of your children, your wife, your sons.
SOARES: Having heard those words his family flees Afghanistan to Pakistan. But they didn't feel safe there either. As a member of a minority Shia
Islamic sect in a majority Sunni country so they moved to Iran.
SAJARFI: They don't accept us. Iran is an Islamic country where Islam, no Shias.
SOARES: Now a grown man he returns once more to Afghanistan but soon after he arrives...
SAJARFI: They killed my brother.
SOARES: So he leaves with his family perilessly crossing over land through Iran to get to Turkey. Here carrying small bags and two children they
walked knee deep in mud. They must then crawl for another three hours.
Istanbul gives the children a sense of normality but that is short lived.
SAJARFI: Then we come to Turkey and then we decided to come by smuggling in a boat, in a very small boat for twenty person in one boat (inaudible).
SOARES: Now safe in Kos and with English to support him. He's become the link between the migrants and the Greeks here.
His kindness hasn't made him lose sight of what he wants, asylum in Sweden but he's so hardened by the life he's lived that the truth no longer hurts.
SAJARFI: I'm going to try smuggling, I'm going at least 14 hour I must go buy food.
SOARES: What pains this man are the marks left on his children.
SAJARFI: When my son calls to me father where's my motorcycle, I'm not answering for him, I just say we are in a trip, we are on a holiday.
Nothing, I just lie.
SOARES: A life on the move, a refugee three times over a future yet uncertain. Isa Soares, CNN in the Greek island of Kos.
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FOSTER: And now whilst Greece and Italy are dealing with the majority of boats that cross the Mediterranean into Europe it's Germany which settles
the most people. It's from Germany where Karl Penhaul has sent this report about finding a new life a long way from home.
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KARL PENHAUL: Beneath the church clock the inscription time goes and death comes. Yet killing time is all these asylum seekers can do as they live
and wait for word on their future.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (inaudible)
PENHAUL: So Al-Shabaab killed your brother? (Inaudible).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, it's Al-Shabaab.
PENHAUL: The Golden Star Guest House has long since faded. It's now a tattered migrant hostel deep in southern Germany.
(Inaudible) baby is named (Lucky), she was born shortly after her mom landed in Italy after days adrift in the Mediterreranean.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Seven days on the water.
PENHAUL: Seven days on the water?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
PENHAUL: And how was - how was the boat??
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Small, (elastic).
PENHALL: 29 people, seven different nationalities live at the hostel. Some like Albanians (Mario and Donna Sadeco) are requesting asylum even
though they came in serach of jobs not fleeing war or persecution.
(DONNA SADECO): My aim is to make better life, to work together. For my son I need a good life.
Oh life is like this, go come, go come.
PENHAUL: Only about a quarter of migrants who seek asylum in Germany are successful, but that's still more than anywhere else in Europe.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Life is bingo.
PENHAUL: For now though the children keep busy heading to free school classes each morning, a chance to learn German and make new friends.
The villages here are chocolate box pretty, gingerbread houses and god fearing Lutheran values. But it may not all be quite as peaceful as it
looks, there are signs that under the service some hostility may be brewing.
One night in December this soon to be opened migrant hostel was set ablaze. A wanted poster for the arsonist hangs outside the Town Hall. Yet the
pastor says most residents welcome the migrants.
It's perhaps because of our war time but also we in Germany realize we live well in peace and freedom and want to give others part of that he says.
But until Germany decides on their fate and if they can stay for good, these asylum seekers just wait and listen to the clock chime as time goes
and death comes.
Karl Penhaul, CNN, (inaudible), Germany.
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FOSTER: This is The World Right Now. Still to come a rare meeting between a Russian leader and the Pope in Italy.
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Could that visit ease long running tensions between Roman Catholics and the Kremlin?
And a new Jurrasic Park sequel might be out in the cinemas but a new scientific discovery means that we might be one step closer to finding out
what dinosaur life was really like. We'll explain later on The World Right Now.
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FOSTER: Russian President Vladimir Putin is getting a warm reception in Italy at a time when the rest of Europe is taking a much chillier view of
Moscow's actions in Ukraine.
Mr. Putin (inaudible) to his Prime Minister as well as Pope Francis at the Vatican. Ukraine was definitely on the agenda during the meeting and the
Pope us under increasing pressure to condemn Russian's actions there.
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Now Putin's meeting at the Vatican is also a major milestone for Roman Catholics in Russia. Around the world there are large numbers of Roman
Catholic people but in Russia they represent a tiny minority. Take a look at this.
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The overwhelming majority of Russians, 72 percent identify themselves as Christian Orthodox accordingly the Pew Research Center, whilst almost 20
percent say they are not religious, five percent say they are Muslim, and only one percent of Russians in the Pew report identify themselves as Roman
Catholic.
Let's get more on Vladimir Putin's meeting and the Pope then at the Vatican. I'm joined from Toronto by Father Thomas Rosica he is (inaudible)
of the synod of Bishops at the Vatican. Thank you so much for joining us.
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There's so much attention on this ...
THOMAS ROSICA: Thank you Max.
FOSTER: ... this meeting between the Pope and Putin because there's a sense that if anyone can sort of rationalize with Putin on behalf of the
West almost, it is the Pope. But does he see that as his role as well?
ROSICA: Well, first of all it's important to realize that by coming to the Vatican, President Putin is meeting with perhaps the most incredible, most
credible solid moral leader in the world.
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ROSICA: There's a line up of people coming to see the Pope. He has credibility, he also creates trust. The Pope does not receive the person
as a politician but as a moral leader and there was much at stake in today's meeting.
The issues that were discussed were very clearly presented by Father (Lombardi) in the statement we just sent out a while ago. It's about the
effort to pursue piece and justice for all peoples involved.
Of course the situation in the Ukraine was discussed and a greater access for humanitarian workers to be able to come in. A desire to work for peace
on the part of all those involved in this crisis and also the situation in the Middle East. Both parties, both people meeting today in the library of
the Apostolic Palace had much at stake in this.
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Of course there is the desire to bring peace in the world and I think both leaders are seeking that but perhaps on different perspectives.
Secondly from the Pope's perspective, the Pope bears in his heart the struggles and the suffering of the Ukranian Church. At the same time he
wants good relations with the Russian Republic, with the Russian Federation because so many Christians are involved in that area. You know the
statistics telling us about Orthodox Christians, two thirds of Orthodox Christians around the world are through Russia, the Russian Federation.
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They're found there and therefore there's a great interest to build bridges. There's also a common concern for the struggle and suffering and
persecution of Christians in the Middle East and that of course was discussed in the conversations between two very significant world leaders.
FOSTER: He does have this incredible credibility and this charisma and he really is almost a living icon at this stage isn't he in terms of what he's
achieved so far and so quickly. But he doesn't shy away from those very difficult political issues does he? He did discuss Ukraine today and he
could have sort of stepped back from that.
He's got involved with Cuba, the various human rights issues as well around the world. He is sticking his neck out a bit here isn't he. But without
offending anyone which is the incredible skill.
What do you think he's trying to do with his role which has been different from his predecessors?
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ROSICA: No I think the Pope is building on the strong activities and diplomatic activities of his predecessors particularly John Paul the
Second, Saint John Paul the Second and how many efforts he had successful, many of them, to reach out and build bridges of Pope Benedicts deep
theology and concern for people who were suffering. The uniqueness of Francis is this bold courage and also extraordinary credibility.
You know what I often have to deal with the reports of the heads of state that are coming to meet him, translating them and presenting them, and you
see this constant theme, Francis is unafraid to address issues, and he always takes us to the higher level where some of us would think that
diplomacy is more politicking than anything. Pope Francis is reminding us what blessed Paul the Sixth taught us, diplomacy is the art of making
peace. It's always calling people to the higher level and rather than pointing out all of the things that divide us at the stumbling blocks,
Francis calls to mind those things for which we must work together, for peace, for justice, for humanitarian efforts, for the dignity of human
life.
And when Francis brings these parties together, different people together who wouldn't normally be our best friends, Francis is reminding us of the
greater call of public service, the greater call of honesty and integrity and I think that's what we saw today.
FOSTER: Father Thomas Rosica, thank you very much indeed for your analysis of what happened at the Vatican today.
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Yet to come on The World Right Now though, what you see here is so much more than an old pile of bones.
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I will tell you how these fossils are changing, what we know about dinosaurs.
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FOSTER: Well an exciting discovery for scientists searching pre-historic life here. Researchers have learnt that one particular set of fossils are
so much more than a pile of old bones. Instead what's thought to resemble modern day blood cells and collagen are being identified, no less.
CNN's Kelly Morgan, has been examining the evidence.
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KELLY MORGAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: At first glance it looks like a dried out old piece of wood, but on closer microscopic inspection, deep with the
molecular structure of this 75 million year old dinoasaur claw, something unexpected.
SUSANNAH MAIDMENT, IMPERIAL COLLEGE LONDON: My co-worker, my colleague, (Sergio) who works on living tissue immediately said oh I think they're
blood cells. But at that point we - I was very skeptical. I'm a paleontologist, I know that soft tissues don't preserve for 75 million
years, that you just don't find things like this in fossil records.
MORGAN: In another specimen the research team at London's Imperial College also discovered what are believed to be traces of collagen, the protein in
connective animal tissue, clues that could help scientists solve a long running debate on evolution.
MAIDMENT: The dinosaurs ancesters are thought to have been cold blooded animals where as the descendents of the dinosaurs the birds, we know are
warm blooded. So somewhere along that evolutionary line, warm bloodiness must have evolved. And that's a subject of great interest because it would
really tell us were the dinosaurs very bird like very kind of dynamic animals. Or were they much more reptilian in their - perhaps in their
physiology and their behavior.
MORGAN: This is not the first discovery of soft tissue remenants in dinosaur fossils but what makes this find so exceptional is that these
bones are so unexceptional. For more than a century they have been housed in London's Natural History Museum.
MAIDMENT: It's very scrappy and we wouldn't - it's very fragmentary, it's broken, it's not the kind of thing that you would expect to find soft
tissues in.
MORGAN: And there is a lot of it in collections like this around the world. Animal fossils everywhere are now being looked at more closely as
potential pieces in the Jurassic puzzle.
MAIDMENT: Imagine that we took, let's say a Wilderbeast and you stripped all of its flesh away and you took all of the plants and other animals that
live with it away and all of its environment away and all that you were left with was a skeleton, and that's essentially all we know about the
dinosaurs, and we have to infer everything else simply from those bones.
MORGAN: Hollywood has long used those bones to fuel its imagination in films like Jurassic Park but the opportunity to compare the molecular
structure of so many bones may now lead to a more accurate representation of dinosaurs.
Kelly Morgan, CNN, London.
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FOSTER: Fascinating isn't it. So this has been The World Right Now. Up next Richard Quest joins you with Quest means Business. He's going to have
a look at why this happened today on the U.S. market.
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Positive news all round; also here in Europe, more on that after the break.
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