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JONATHAN MANN, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Greece faces a crucial weekend, the country's lawmakers set to vote on new economic reforms but, come
tomorrow, the rest of Europe decides Greece's future. We're live in Athens.
Also a divisive symbol comes down. The Confederate flag is removed from the grounds of the South Carolina State House.
Plus, tourists flee Tunisia after several countries issue new travel warnings. I ask the Tunisian Ambassador to the U.S. what's being done to
keep extremists at bay. And Hollywood legend Omar Sharif dies, aged 83. We'll look back at some of his unforgettable roles on the big screen.
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Hello, I'm Jonathan Mann, live from CNN Center, and this is The World Right Now.
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Thanks for joining us. It is 10:00 pm in Greece where lawmakers are set for a long Friday night. They're expected to vote on the latest set of
bailout proposals that the European Union is already reviewing. I they vote in favor of the deal their own prime minister presented to creditors,
talks between Europe and Greece should move forward to a hard deadline Sunday. Meanwhile anti-austerity protestors are outside Parliament's
doors. Most of the people on the streets of Athens tonight voted against the terms of the last bailout offer and, look at the crowd. We bring you
live pictures. An enormous, enormous group gathering in Constitution Square. Well the deal voted down last weekend looks similar to one laid
out less than 24 hours ago -- I apologize, these are not live pictures. I stand corrected, but the anger is there. Have a listen
UNIDENTIED MALE: We said no and that was turned into a yes because the people said no to austerity measures. Now they're doing a deal. With
closed banks, what do you expect? Can things be OK? No, they can't. We've ended up in queues just to get 50 Euros. Shame on them. Shame on
them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The new measures are suffocating. Better we live poor than to plunge into chaos.
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FOSTER: Let's get straight to Richard Quest. He's live in Athens. Richard, how does it look? Have they got a deal?
RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: That's a really good question and no one knows because there are two key events, Jonathan,
that are happening.
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The Greek parliament is debating the plan that's been brought forward and the institutions -- the so-called, IMF, the ECB, and the Commission are
deci -- are reviewing the plan and deciding what to make of it. Joining me here in Athens is Professor Hari Tsoukas. Good to see you, sir.
HARI TSOUKAS, PROFESSOR, WARWICK BUSINESS SCHOOL, COVENTRY, UNITED KINGDOM: Hello, good to see you.
QUEST: Good to see you. Professor, when we look at it, first of all the question that Jonathan asked me, do you think the parliament will approve
the deal?
TSOUKAS: I think they will approve it. I have no doubt about this, but I don't think Mr. Tsipras can keep his party united. There will some
political casualties. I think the coalition parties will suffer, but eventually parliament will approve.
QUEST: Right. And it doesn't really matter if Tsipras loses a bit of his own party because the opposition will take schadenfreude and actually vote
in with him.
TSOUKAS: Yes, indeed. I think all three main opposition parties, the Democracy, the Socialist, Pasok and Potami, I think they will be voting.
But don't underestimate the political fallout. I think many people have been now -- you're, you're seeing in the square, their protesting, and many
people will feel betrayed, I think, by this. It's not going to -- it is a spectacular somersault by the prime minister.
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QUEST: But, Hari, I heard some people earlier, and Jonathan was saying this, but we always knew that the deal -- even though he said a no vote
will strengthen my hand -- we always knew that the strengthening was only for debt relief. But the actual austerity would always remain the same.
TSOUKAS: Well, I'm not sure this was a popular sentiment. I think many known supporters, and I spoke to many of them, they did believe that they
would get less austerity. You know, you see Mr. Tsipras offered people a very attractive package, very alluring package. You will be in the Euro
and at the same time you will have less austerity.
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He thought -- he always knew and, if he didn't, he now has found out that these both parts of his message cannot be both satisfied at the same time.
It's a contradictory message. Now he is speaking to the first part, keeping the country in the Euro, but he cannot deliver on less austerity.
QUEST: Now perhaps the yes campaign so befuddled people with talks about leaving the Euro and saying this was a vote to leave the Euro, but people
focused on that. But I can remember standing on this balcony, everybody saying, whatever happens, it's the same deal. When you look at the
actions, though, and we have some here, do you see strict and strong austerity, few changes?
TSOUKAS: No, I think a -- we see marginal differences. I think the essence is the same, and actually the referendum was waste of time. You
know, from a (INAUDIBLE) point of view, people did not get a better deal with this deal.
QUEST: No, yet we don't know if the debt relief or debt components will be there.
TSOUKAS: Well, it was not even in the proposals, in the letter to the institutions. There was no mention of debt. I think there will be some
promise. There was a promise in November 2012, and there will be a promise now. Maybe a firmer promise, but still a promise. Nothing more concreate.
QUEST: So is it your gut feeling that Europe and the Greeks do a deal because this is a political decision, not an economic one.
TSOUKAS: Yes, I think it's politics, not economics. I think Europe would love to have been able to say no to the deal, but they will find it
difficult to say no because now Mr. Tsipras he eventually did his somersault and they want, I think -- the bottom line is they want to keep
Greece in the Euro.
QUEST: Sir, good to see you.
TSOUKAS: Thank you.
QUEST: There you have it, Jonathan. That's the way it seems the demonstration is petering out. It's Friday night. People have other
matters to attend to. But that's the way the viewers, people, here will feel that they've been sold a bill of goods.
MANN: Richard Quest, live for us once again. Thanks very much.
Through all of this drama, we've been focusing on Greece of course, but also Germany because of its leadership role. But there are 17 other
Eurozone nations that have a stake in the outcome of the negotiations.
Rimantas Sadzius is Finance Minister of Lithuania, he joins us now live from the capital of Vilnius. Minister, thanks so much for being with us.
You have seen the proposal. What do you think?
RIMANTAS SADZIUS, FINANCE MINISTER OF LITHUANIA: Well, hey, it's, it's very difficult to assess this proposal from the technical point of view,
which is a job for the European Commission, European Central Bank, and IMF to do. And this technical assessment is underway. I think we will see the
first results tomorrow. The answer should be whether the figures add or not. Hopefully, they will add to a very large extent, but we shall see.
Another issue that really interests us ministers is political assessments of the proposals, and here the greatest history is ownership of the
proposals.
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Well, I mean whether those who made these proposals, are they committed to perform these issues that are described to implement these reforms or not?
And here it's of utmost importance for us to see wide parliamentary support for the proposed reforms.
MANN: You're being very -- very diplomatic. So let me, let me endeavor to put this more crudely. It's an issue of trust. The Greek government, the
previous Greek governments essentially misrepresented their finances when they entered the Eurozone, they misrepresented their finances while they
were in the Eurozone, and the people of Greece it's now, well it's well- known that they have misrepresented their own finances. Tax fraud and corruption are endemic in the Greek economy. How important is it to, to
trust, not only the proposals, but the people making them? How much suspicion is there?
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SADZIUS: There is a lot of suspicion. I must be very frank and very, very blunt, as you were in your question. Really, the trust has disappeared for
these, during these five months. I'm quite sad about that. It is always a bit difficult to restore to trust and confidence between people. But
frankly, in these proposals I see the first signs of real, real wish to restore this trust. So but we of course not only should trust to the
paper. This is, well, the time is over for trusting the paper. So that is why really it is crucially important to know what Greek politicians,
members of parliament, think. How wide would be the support for these proposals and, for people that would realize these proposals, I mean the
government of Mr. Tsipras and the Greek parliament.
MANN: Let me ask you about the people of your own country. The people of Lithuania earn less on average than the people of Greece. The pensioners
of Lithuania receive lower pensions than the people of Greece. The people of Lithuania have endured their own economic decline, and pulled themselves
back up. How impatient, how angry are the people of Lithuania? How willing are they to see your government help Athens anymore?
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SADZIUS: That is a very tricky point here. We in the Eurozone, and we joined the Eurozone just this year, very, very -- we are very new members
to the, to the Eurozone, but we do understand that we have some common values in the Eurozone. One of them is financial stability, and we all
need to defend this financial stability. We must make some sacrifices despite being in the different levels of living conditions. Sometimes
those who earn less should help temporarily those who earn better. And we agreed to do that. Our society would agree to do this, to support the
financial aid. But, because this is solidarity, is expression of solidarity, but there is one red line, a very important red line.
Solidarity should not be a one-way street. So that is why we really need commitments of the other side to implement reforms so as to increase
overall stability of the Eurozone, so as our sacrifices, sacrifices of our people, simply talking money from our taxpayers is used properly and then
returned back to the European stability mechanism where they belong to.
MANN: Once again, the key issue is trust. Rimantas Sadzius, thank you so much for talking with us.
A very different story in a very different part of the world, not about a currency but the vote, but a banner. A banner that's been flying on the
grounds of South Carolina's capitol for more than 50 years. Then on Friday that banner, the Confederate flag, was lowered for the last time.
Opposition to the flag has grown after last's month's massacre of nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina. Lawmakers votes Thursday
to remove the flag, following a passionate debate. Its new home is a state military museum for relics, about a mile down the road. President Obama
tweeted his approval, saying the removal was quote a signal of good will and healing, and a meaningful step towards a better futures. South
Carolina's own governor has been speaking to CNN. She gave her reaction to the lowering of the flag and the debate that preceded it.
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GOV. NIKKI HALEY (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: It's important for people to know what it's like to be in another person's shoes, and if you watched the
legislative debate, that's what happened. People put themselves in each other shoes, so they understood what the respect of tradition and heritage
was, and that it wasn't about hate. But the other side also learned how painful that flag was and the pain that it was causing people. That's what
brought South Carolina to this new day, was the ability to look at each other and listen, and say it's time.
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MANN: It's time. Still to come, several countries join Britain, warning their citizens to stay away from Tunisia or leave now, if they're there.
We'll speak with the Tunisian Ambassador to the U.S. of the country's efforts to prevent another terror attack. This is The World Right Now.
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MANN: Welcome back. Ireland and Denmark are now joining Britain in urging their tourists to leave Tunisia, warning there's a high risk of another
terror attack. Hundreds of British tourists began taking early flights home today. Thirty Britons, you may recall, were among the 38 foreigners
massacred just last month at a beach resort in Soussa. Tunisia's Ambassador to Britain is criticizing the travel warnings, telling the BBC
they harm the country's tourism industry and this, he says, is what the terrorists want. Tunisia, meantime, is cracking down on extremists,
launching a raid today that killed at least five suspected terrorists. Officials say the operation is still ongoing.
For more now on the country's fight against terror and the impact on travelers, we're joined now by Faisal Grouiaa, Tunisian Ambassador to the
United States. Ambassador, thanks so much for being with us. I'm sorry once again about the circumstances, but the British Foreign Office is
saying an additional terrorist is quote highly likely. What's about to happen in your country?
FAISAL GROUIAA, TUNISIAN AMBASSADOR TO UNITED STATES: First of all, thank you for the invitation, but I can tell you that the government took lot of
measures to protect the country, to protect the visitors, to protect the tourists. And I can't tell you that there is an imminent risk or an
imminent threat, but I think the government took the right decision to declare the state of emergency in the country, you know, that protect the
country, the people, and the visitors.
MANN: No imminent threat, but even when the president declared that 30-day state of emergency, among his remarks was this. If this were to happen--
which happened in Soussa -- if this were to happen again, the president said, the country would collapse. That's your own president talking about
the country as on the brink of collapse.
GROUIAA: I think it means more that the country will be in trouble. The country, Tunisia, is a nation of 3,000 years of history. We cannot allow
the collapse of the country because the country is stronger than terrorists, is stronger than any threat coming from these criminals. I
think Tunisia is resisting, will resist, and the Tunisian people is committed to protect the country, is committed to protect visitors also
coming from all over the world. And the government took the decision, as you know, to protect resorts, beach resorts and beaches and hotels by
deploying more 1,300 policemen, all gunned policemen, to protect, as I said, tourists and Tunisians also going to beaches and to resorts.
MANN: So was the British government wrong in telling its travelers to leave?
GROUIAA: I have full respect to the British government's decision. But I, I would like to say also that that's what terrorists want. This is the
ultimate objective of terrorism. They want to threaten us. They want us to stay home and never travel, never go to beaches, never go to hotels.
But we have to be determined. And I just heard now that, despite the decision of the U.K. government's decision, many tourists, Britain
tourists, decided to remain, to stay in Tunisia. Because they want to challenge these terrorists and to tell them that life is stronger than
death.
MANN: And those are brave people who've made that decision. But it's an extraordinary thing, to think about putting oneself, one's family at risk
on a lighthearted vacation to join the battle against terrorism. How many people are staying? How many people are leaving? What's the impact likely
to be on the tourism industry?
GROUIAA: Yes, the impact is, is clear, is negative. But these people who decided to stay and to remain in Tunisia, I don't think they are waiting
for any trouble or death, as you mentioned. But they want to say to these terrorists and to these criminals, we are supporting Tunisia, we are -- as
I said, life is stronger than death. And we will remain in Tunisia and we know we are protected by the Tunisians, we are protected by the measures
that were taken by the government, and we will not leave this country. Because they find hospitality and they find all what they need in Tunisia
and they, as you know, terrorism is everywhere. It can hit everywhere. It can hit in Tunisia, it can hit everywhere in the world.
MANN: Faisal Grouiaa, Tunisian Ambassador to Washington, thanks so much for talking with us.
GROUIAA: Thank you very much.
MANN: Coming up, Pope Francis takes a message of love to a notorious prison. The Pontiff visits one of Latin America's most feared jails.
We'll have a live report on his travels just ahead. Stay with us.
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MANN: You're looking at live pictures of the celebration underway at the airport of Asuncion, Paraguay. Pope Francis has not arrived there for the
last stop of his South American tour and there is an enormous crowd. At last count, thousands, tens of thousands, of people lining the road from
the airport into downtown Asuncion. This is only the second visit by a Pontiff to that small landlocked South American nation. But the Pope has
described himself as the Pope of the periphery, and this is a nation that has often felt at the periphery of world events.
But it has a particular reason to welcome this Pope, and there he is, because of the last visit it got from a Pope. The last visit it got from a
Pope, a visit of John Paul II, back in May of 1998. Within a short time, the country's longtime dictator was overthrown, democracy came to Paraguay.
And we may seem him again in another shot. The Pope now has the privilege of sitting next to the democratically-elected President, Horacio Cartes.
Paraguay is a democracy and the people of Paraguay thank the Pope in some small part. Shasta Darlington is in Asuncion watching all of this. And,
Shasta, the history is remarkable, but what's ahead is remarkable. The Pope's going to be meeting with someone who once again will be making
headlines. What can you tell us?
SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, there are, there are a number of events going on here. One of the most remarkable events
though will be kind of a sideline meeting where the Pope -- Pope Francis is going to meet with leaders from different communities here, including a
leader of the LGBT community. He's the leader of Somosgay, we are gay, Simon Cazal. We actually spoke with him this morning. It's going to be an
interesting encounter because initially Simon Cazal wasn't even sure he sure he should go. He was afraid, he said that it would pink wash the
Church.
But in the end, he decided if the Church is opening the door to us, who are we to shut the door? And he really decided that, that Pope Francis in the
end could be a champion for gay rights in the sense that one of the biggest problems for the gay community in Paraguay is rejection by families. He
says some 6,000 young people are kicked out of their homes every year when parents find out that they're gay or lesbian. And this often comes
unfortunately with a lot of violence. And he say because this is such a Catholic country, if he --if is community could work together with the
Catholic church to send the message to families that all children should be loved equally, this would be something that could really turn around the
live for young gay and lesbians here in Paraguay, Jonathan.
MANN: An extraordinary thing. But I have to ask you about another extraordinary thing. We saw it just yesterday in Bolivia, the Pope
visiting this prison. Not just any prison. And the Pope going in there to meet, to meet the inmates. Tell us about it.
DARLINGTON: It was, it was really one of the emotional highlights of this trip, I think for everybody who saw that. This is one of the most
dangerous prisons in Latin America. Men, women, and children are behind bars there. And we saw Pope Francis go in and sit down and listen to
individual stories. For example, one man who is the fourth child of a family of 14 children. Then there was also the woman who broke down in
tears when she told the Pontiff that she felt he'd opened a direct path to God, and that she prayed for him.
And then of course in the end it was Pope Francis who said, no, I need forgiveness because I too have made mistakes. And it was just his
quintessential Pope Francis moment where he shows his humility and also his really apparently heartfelt desire to embrace those who've been pushed to
the margins of society. We're talking prisoners, inmates, saying we should all -- we are loved equally by Jesus Christ, we have all made mistakes.
And he sent that message to the poor, to the indigenous populations here in these three countries, which are very large. You know, that came a day
after his most controversial speech where he apologized for the sins and offences that he says the Catholic Church committed during the conquest of
the Americas. You can imagine that was met with huge applause. That's something that a lot of people have wanted to hear from the Catholic Church
and this is coming from the top man himself. Jonathan.
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MANN: An extraordinary man on an extraordinary trip. Shasta Darlington in Asuncion. Thanks very much.
While Pope Francis is in South America, the Vatican is taking a big step in the Pontiff's crackdown on clerical sexual abuse. Tomorrow the former
archbishop, Josef Wesolowski, the former Papal Nuncio or ambassador to the Dominican Republic, will stand trial. Wesolowski becomes the highest
ranking official to ever face criminal charges for sex abuse.
The time has come. The Pope's former ambassador to the Dominican Republic investigated and charge with criminal child sex abuse and pornography gets
his day in Vatican City court. Sixty-six-year-old Josef Wasolowski is the highest ranking former Vatican official ever to face criminal child sex
charges and the first charged since Pope Francis extended the court's jurisdiction in sex abuse cases to include Papal diplomats in 2013.
Wesolowski, a native of Poland arrived at his post in the Dominican Republic in 2008. He was investigated for sex abuse in 2013, and formally
defrocked by the Holy See in 2014. He's accused of paying minors for sex, and his laptop reportedly contained more than 100,000 files with
pornographic images and videos. He was indicted on the charges last month. Between 2004 and 2013 the Holy See dismissed some 848 priests on sexual
misconduct charges that turned out to be true. And of the 2,572 priests, most of them of an advanced age, were banned from having contact with
children. Pope Francis hopes to curb these numbers. In addition to extending the court's jurisdiction to include diplomats, he created a
church tribunal to judge bishops who cover up or fail to act in cases of child sex abuse by priests. Wesolowski's attorney told CNN no statement
would be made before the trial. He faces a lengthy prison term if convicted.
The latest world news headlines just ahead, plus we'll be vice in Columbia, South Carolina, where the controversial Confederate flag was removed today.
And if Greece doesn't reach a final deal with its creditors, it could exit the Eurozone, but how would that actually work? We'll hear from an
economist who won a prize for his guide to leaving the Euro. Next, this is The World Right Now.
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MANN: Welcome back. This is what's happening in the world right now. The Greek parliament is working late into the night, debating a package of
tough new austerity measures in Athens. A vote is expected sometime soon. Sunday is the deadline for Greece to strike a deal for a third a bailout
from its European credits and the austerity package is very similar to the one rejected by Greek voters just last weekend.
Pope Francis is in Paraguay this hour. He touched down just moments ago on the las leg of his Latin American tour. He's been visiting a notoriously
dangerous Bolivian prison earlier in the day, but now you're looking at live pictures as he's welcomed in Asuncion. The Pope, who is Argentinian
born, is the South American -- is in the South American continent, rather, to emphasize the plight of the poor.
The Director of the Office of Personnel Management in the U.S., Katherine Archuleta, has resigned a day after she announced that a computer data
breach of government computers was vastly larger than originally feared. Hacksters had breached a sensitive personnel data base and stolen the
person data of 22 million U.S. government employees.
South Carolina has removed the controversial Confederate flag from its capitol grounds. It follows opposition that swelled after last month's
message of nine black -- massacre, rather, of nine black church goers in Charleston, South Carolina. Meanwhile the FBI has determined that Dylann
Roof, the man accused of shooting those nine people studying the Bible in the church, should not have been able to legally buy the gun used in the
killing. Let's cross live to Columbia, South Carolina. CNN's Nick Valencia joins us now. Nick, it's hard to explain to people at any
distance from the U.S. South, but there's so much passion and so much politics wrapped up in that flag. What was it like to be there today to
see it come down?
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You could certainly feel the gravity of the situation, Jonathan. It is a monumental moment, not just for the
citizens of South Carolina, but for the history of the United States. I was speaking to one man, a 47-year-old black man, who says that he's had to
live through this controversy every day of his life and there's no way to put that into words. All of this accelerated by what happened in
Charleston just a few weeks ago, nine innocent church-going members during their Wednesday night Bible studied being massacred by a 21-year-old
gunman. That accelerated the conversation about bring the Confederate flag down.
It's a flag that has flown on the state grounds since 1961 and just 15 years ago was moved from the top of the capitol to the Confederacy Soldier
Monument just being me. Just hours ago, just after 10:00 am Eastern is when that flag came down, being permanently removed. It will now be housed
in a Confederate Relic and Military Museum a few blocks away from here. I spoke to the director about what happens next for that flag, and he tells
me that they have until January 1st under the joint senate resolution to decide exactly how they're going to exhibit it. And it's an important
thing for that museum because they are accredited, so it matters how they display it.
It, it's no -- nothing to underscore the, the emotion surrounding this. So many people here in the South still believe that that flag should fly.
They believe that it stands for Southern heritage. I was speaking to one Confederate flag supporter who said that it stands for his ancestors and
how they fought against an army that invaded from the North. Still others and I believe the general consensus here, Jonathan, is that this flag is a
painful part of South Carolina's history and one that they want to forget about. Jonathan.
MANN: Nick Valencia, live in Columbia. Thanks very much.
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Let's get back to our top story now. Back to the top story. If no deal come out of negotiations between Greece and its creditors, an exit from the
Eurozone could seem likely. How would a Grexit actually happen? Hala Gorani explains.
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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Europe is hoping for the best but planning for the worst.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Commission is prepared for everything. We have a Grexit scenario prepared in detail.
GORANI: Economist Roger Bootle won the Wolfson Prize in 2012 for his practical guide for leaving the Euro, modeling it around a potential
Grexit.
ROGER BOOTLE, AUTHOR "THE TROUBLE WITH EUROPE": The first thing is that Greece needs to make a declaration that what used to be Euros in banks in
Greece and other amounts are now some new currency. Let's call them drachmas.
GORANI: For this to work the government also needs to close the banks and have them place capital controls, which is already happening in Greece.
BOOTLE: The purpose of that is to stabilize the financial system, to Bootle the money up within the domestic economy.
GORANI: Then Greece needs to allow its currency to devalue, starting from a 1:1 ratio with the Euro.
BOOTLE: The whole point of this is actually to get the exchange rate -- to get the new currency to fall. That's where salvation, solution for the
Greek economy will come from.
GORANI: Devaluation would actually make Greece more attractive to the outside world.
BOOTLE: For foreigners, the rest of us and the rest of the world, we'll be encourage to buy Greek goods and services, including tourism.
GORANI: However, that devaluation will have negative consequences inside Greece, at least in the short ter.
BOOTLE: At first ordinary Greeks will be worse off, they'll feel worse, and they very well may be demonstrating in the streets and creating a real
problem. The difficulty for the authorities is to hold their nerve.
GORANI: Greece won't be able to instantly print drachmas. So in the meantime, Euros will still need to be accepted and other forms of payment
will evolve.
BOOTLE: And they'll invent all sorts of other ways, people do, when there's a shortage of currency. In some countries people have used
cigarettes as a form of currency. They run a form of credit. It's quite possible the government will issue IOUs, and those IOUs will circulate.
It's possible even that banks will sort of evolve their own currency.
GORANI: Desperate and unprecedented moves that could, if Greece fails to get a deal, be implemented any day now. Hala Gorani, CNN, London.
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MANN: Writer James Angelos believes the Greeks brought some of the crisis on themselves. His new book is "The Full Catastrophe: Travels Among the
New Greek Ruins." And he joins us now live from New York. Thanks so much for being with us. Let me ask you first of all about the news of the day.
There seems to be a proposal from the Greek government that's very similar to what its creditors are offering. Is this nightmare over for the EU? Is
the possibility of a Grexit now in the past?
JAMES ANGELOS, AUTHOR, "THE FULL CAATASTROPHE: TRAVELS AMONG THE NEW GREEK RUINS": No, there's still a lot that remains to be seen. It will very
likely -- the proposal will very likely pass to the Greek parliament this evening, tonight. Largely with support -- because the support of the
opposition parties in Greece is assured.
The parties, the more centrist parties that want -- that have been arguing for a deal with Europe for a long time. So it will pass through Greece,
but it still remains to be seen whether the German electorate will sign off on it, and also it has to also pass through the German parliament. And it
also remains to be seen whether Greece will receive substantial debt forgiveness, which is one of their demands.
MANN: We just spoke a short time ago with the Finance Minister of Lithuania, who was saying a key issue is trust, whether other countries
will trust the Greeks. And that's why I'm so grateful that you're will us because your book is all about that in a sense. And in one episode that
really stands out is your visit to the island of the blind. Tell us about it and what kind of lessons it offers.
ANGELOS: Well, that was -- that was a trip that I took at the end of 2011 to Zakinthos, an Ionian island where allegedly there was a scandal going on
involving a local politician and a local doctor. The politician was handing over fraudulent benefits to -- for blindness for people who could
see, allegedly in return for votes. And what this showed was this sort of transactional nature of Greek politics, how the political patronage system
worked on the smallest level.
So that, you know, I visited an old woman in her kitchen on Zakinthos, and she explained the system to me like this. She said, if you have a
godfather, you get baptized. And if you don't have a godfather, you don't get baptized. And in her language what that meant was you need, you need -
- in order to get a favor you need somebody in a position of power to give it to you, and that was a politician. So it was easier to countenance, it
was easier -- the way this sort of political patronage system vested people at the bottom end of the scale sort of also allowed people at the top end,
like the Defense Minister of the country, to engage in far more damaging practices.
MANN: Has that culture of corruption changed?
ANGELOS: There have been strides. A lot has changed in Greece, and a lot of the money that allowed it to happen also has sort of dried up. So
there, there has been progress. What remains -- what needs to happen is that tax evasion needs to be cracked down on, and particularly tax evasion
among the wealthy. One reason Syriza was elected in Greece was 'cause there was a perception in Greece, and I think an accurate one, that the
previous government was going after small-time tax evaders before it was cracking down the -- the, the more, the, the larger fish, as they say in
Greece. So people with offshore accounts in Switzerland, the so-called Legarde list of people with off -- with accounts in Switzerland, powerful
people, politically connected people, wealthy people. And it took a very long time for the government to do anything about that. And still -- so
there was a perception in Greece -- you know, why come after us before you go after yourselves really, your own, your own political peers.
MANN: So what is that.? What lesson does that offer for the governments of Europe who are trying to figure out whether it -- they can trust the
Greek government today?
ANGELOS: I think -- well the Greek government that it's hard. You'd be hard pressed today to find Greeks who believe that the system, the previous
political system, doesn't -- wasn't rotten. People unanimously agree Greece needs change. And, you know, one reason this government also was
elected was because they promised to change, especially to go after the sort of -- the powerful and the well-connected in the country. Now I think
that needs to take place is the, the -- I mean the creditors have used their leverage over Greece to try and influence, to try and push through a
lot of necessary changes.
But at the same time, what has also happened is that they depth of the austerity has, has contributed to the economic contraction in Greece to the
extent at which, you know, people have perceived themselves to be under what a lot of Greeks often call economic occupation. And, and so they've
sort of started to focus on over -- pushing back against what they perceive as this foreign control over the country. So it's a very complex situation
for the average Greek.
MANN: And not over. James Angelos. The book is "The Full Catastrophe." Thanks so much for talking with us.
ANGELOS: Thanks for having me.
MANN: As negotiators from Iran try to finalize an international agreement over that country's nuclear program, hardline protestors back home are
filling the streets for Al-Qud's Day. Frederik Pleitgen has more.
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Death to Israel. Thousands of hardline protestors chant at this massive
demonstration in Tehran. Al-Qud's Day is supposed to show Iran's support for the Palestinians, but it mostly turns into a general bashing of Israel
and the U.S. This year, however, with the nuclear talks in the decisive phase, some protestors offers more constructive opinions.
MALE PROTESTOR: We welcome international relations, this man says, but they have to be fair and balanced, like a good business partnership. We
might want to normalize ties with the U.S., but we're not desperate.
PLEITGEN: And he adds "We want relations with the U.S., but they must be genuine. Experience tells us America never sticks to its end of the
bargain. We're prepared to die for our principles." The Al-Qud's Day demonstration is dominated by Iran's conservatives, from generals of the
Elite Revolutionary Guard to former hard line president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, enthusiastically cheered on by the crowds. The protestors
portray the nations negotiating with Iran, known as the P5+1 group, as Israel's lackeys, even as the majority of Iranians want a nuclear agreement
with the West. Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khomeini, says he's skeptical of the nuclear talks, but has ordered all Iranians to support the
country's team in Vienna.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Our negotiators should go for a deal that respects our leaders redlines, this woman says. It is our hope
that this deal would be in the best interests of our people and the Muslim world.
PLEITGEN: And she says talks should go on for as long as necessary. "We won't be held in contempt. Sanctions could go on forever. We won't accept
a deal that is forced."
Iran's hardliners are walking a fine line these days, maintaining their public condemnation of Israel and America, just as their government
attempts to strike a deal that could fundamentally alter Iran's relations with the West. Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Berlin.
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MANN: This is The World Right Now. It is a nightmare scenario for most parents. A teenager alone and vulnerable on the streets of Rome. We'll
tell you why it's reality for thousands of children. Stay with us.
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MANN: Welcome back. CNN's Freedom Project aims to shine a spotlight on the horrors of modern day slavery. As part of that ongoing effort, we've
been investigating the alleged trafficking of teenagers and boys.
You may remember Nima Elbagir's dramatic visit to an Egyptian town with no young men. People smugglers had funneled most of them out of their
country. She followed the trail across the sea. Immigrants who survive the crossing wash up on Europe's shores, alone and vulnerable. We pick up
Nima's reporting in Rome, where they're forced to make a living any way they can.
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NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A man approaches a boy for sex at a train station. Two boys holding drugs for criminal gangs.
These are just a few of the stories of children exploited and trafficked for criminal gain, right here in the heart of Rome. Rome's Termini station
is one of the country's main rail terminals. This is where thousands of illegal migrant children arrive, desperate to make money however they can.
We've been directed here by local contacts, who tell us the boys work the corners on the streets outside. As we drive past (a defunct queue) (ph),
we see a group of Egyptian kids approached by an Italian man. Further down the street other Egyptian kids are looking around. They seem to be on the
lookout. We watch as money and something else is exchanged. It's broad daylight and we are right in the center of Rome. And yet groups of boys
were clustered together. We saw them in a known pickup location. As soon as they say the camera, they disappeared. One of the boys later agrees to
talk to us. For his safety we've disguised his identity and his voice.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The illegal stuff, that's the easiest. And not just here in Rome, but across the country. A friend who will be working in
these kinds of things will tell you, come, I'll help you and he'll take you with him.
ELBAGIR: I ask if it's hard living this way.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but what are the options. Our parents spent thousands to get us here. We have to pay it back.
ELBAGIR: Emanuele Fattori is the Chief of Police in Rome's Termini station. So the gang's children, he says, are an invaluable asset.
EMANUELE FATTORI, CHIEF OF POLICE, ROMA TERMINI, ROME (through translator): They use children under the age of 14 because, according to Italian law,
they cannot be taken to trial.
ELBAGIR: Fattori and his team have found cases of children, whose parents paid for them to be smuggled into Italy, who were then trafficked by the
very same criminal network, specifically for the purpose of committing these crimes. But his jurisdiction is limited to this station.
FATTORI (through translator): We need to fight more decisively the abandonment of the children by the parents.
ELBAGIR: But the parents, of course, are far, far away and whether they don't know the truth or don't care, the tide of children flooding Italian
shores flows on unchecked, bringing with it lost childhood and young lives destroyed, perhaps beyond repair. Nima Elbagir, CNN, Rome.
MANN: You can see more of Nima's reporting this weekend with the full story of thousands of children chasing false hope. A Freedom Project
special focusing on child castaways air Sunday, 7:30 pm in London, 8:30 Central European time, only on CNN.
Coming up, Omar Sharif, the iconic actor has died at the age of 83. We take a look back at the star and some of his most memorable roles.
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MANN: Impressive scenes in London today as the Royal Family joined in celebrations commemorating the Battle of Britain. Spitfires and Hurricanes
from the Second World War flew over Buckingham Palace and other parts of London 75 years after the famous battle which saw pilots of the British
Royal Air Force fight the German Luftwaffe over southern England. They all seem to be enjoying themselves up there on the balcony of Buckingham
Palace, but for Prince Philip, it wasn't the case afterwards. He got angry with a photographer at an RAF event. Here's what happened.
Did you make that out? He's a spirited gentleman, isn't he? The 94-year- old royal is no stranger to controversy though, having been caught saying many colorful things, many colorful times.
Some breaking news now, the Reuters News agency and Bloomberg both reporting that Jeffrey Webb, one of the officials detained in Switzerland
over that FIFA corruption probe, has agreed to be extradited to the United States.
Webb was the former President of the Confederation of North Central American and Caribbean Association Football, also known as CONCACAF. He
was also Vice President of FIFA. We'll have more on the story as details come in.
An iconic actor from the glory days of Hollywood has died. CNN's Robyn Curnow takes a look back at the life and times of Omar Sharif.
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ROBYN CURNOW, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A Hollywood star, an award- winning actor, an Egyptian-born icon, Omar Sharif was in the movie business for more than 60 years. A Middle Eastern actor who gained worldwide fame.
He was born Michel Demitri Chalhoub in Alexandra, Egypt, to Lebanese parents. He graduated from Cairo University with a degree in mathematics
and physics. But from a young age, Sharif dreamed of being in show business and, to the disappointment of his parents, moved to London to
study at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. In 1995 he married Egyptian actress, Faten Hamama and the two had a son. He appeared in more than 20
films and was a screen idol in Egypt early in his career.
But it was the 1962 film Lawrence of Arabia that brought him international fame and earned him two Golden Globe awards and an Academy Award nomination
for best supporting actor. It was also his first English language film. Co-staring alongside Peter O'Toole, Sharif told CNN back in 2007 that it
was a role he'd never forget.
OMAR SHARIF, ACTOR: It's the film that I remember best. I know the dialogue by heart, up to now, without having visited or seen the film
again. I could tell you the opening scene absolutely. It was a beautifully written thing.
CURNOW: He was known as much for his dashing good looks as for his acting talents, The combination led to a third Golden Globe win for his start turn
in the 1965 film, Dr. Zhivago. In 1968 he starred opposite Barbra Streisand in Funny Girl. The pairing caused the film to be banned in Egypt
in years because it showed him making love to a Jewish woman.
SHARIF: That's one of the things that I have the best memories of. I enjoyed making that film very, very much indeed. That's my favorite film.
CURNOW: In 1991 he promoted a perfume named after him. A few years later, Omar Sharif cigarettes. He was famous though for more than acting. Sharif
was also a world class bridge player. He wrote several books, as well as a syndicated newspaper column about the game. He also had a gambling
addiction, losing much of the money he made during his acting career. In his later years he continued acting in French films and served as honorary
President of the Egyptian Film Festival. Omar Sharif, a legendary actor who made the world his stage.
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MANN: And that's The World Right Now. Quest Means Business is next.
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