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[15:00:22] JONATHAN MANN, HOST: Tonight, arrests in a highway horror.
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MANN: A number of suspects are in custody after dozens of Syrian refugees are found suffocated to death in a truck in Austria.
Also a deadly tropical storm strikes the Caribbean leaving major damage in its wake, we'll look at where it's headed next.
Plus 10 years since Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans; how the city is looking back and moving forward.
And a shake-up at the parent company online cheating site, Ashley Madison, in the wake of that massive hack which exposed its cheating clients.
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MANN: Hello, I'm Jonathan Mann, live from CNN Center, and this is The World Right Now.
Thanks for joining us. Austria's Interior Minister says the horrific deaths of dozens of people must be a wake-up call for Europe to solve its
biggest migrant crisis in decades.
Police say now that 71 men, women and children are apparently known to have suffocated to death in a truck abandoned near Vienna.
As Phil Black reports authorities believe the victims were Syrian refugees.
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PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A tragic end to a desperate journey. These 10 bodies arriving in Vienna represent only a fraction of
the people who likely died while terrified, standing and crowded into the back of this refrigerated truck.
Austrian police believe the abandoned vehicle kept its awful secret by the side of a busy motorway for 24 hours. It's now been moved and the bodies
counted. There are many more than they first thought.
HANS PETER DOSKOZIL, BURGENLAND POLICE CHIEF: (As translated) 71 people were killed because of this tragedy, 59 of those people are men, there are
four children and the others are female. There is a two year old girl among them, and then a three, and eight and 19 year old boy.
BLACK: Austrian authorities say the victims were refugees, probably Syrian. They believe they died when they ran out of air.
DOSKOZIL: We have confirmed that the insulating layer on the sides of the truck did not allow any air to pass through. We can neither rule out nor
confirm whether they made sure to provide air through the cooling system of the lorry or through the roof. I believe it is probable that the people in
this lorry suffocated.
BLACK: Authorities traced the vehicle to Hungary where police moved quickly to arrest its owner and others with connections to it.
Austrian police believe they are low ranking workers in a much larger criminal people smuggling operation with roots in Hungary and Bulgaria.
Investigators say forensically confirming how and when these people died is expected to take some time because there are so many bodies to examine.
Phil Black, CNN, London.
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MANN: The Reuters News Agency is reporting that the backdoor of the truck was held shut with wires, and there were no vents to allow fresh air
inside.
We've got a few more details on the investigation a short time ago from Peter Webinger, chief of the Austrian Interior Ministries Directorate for
Migration.
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PETER WEBINGER, DIRECTORIATE FOR MIGRATION, AUSTRIAN INTERIOR MINISTERY: There is a different process going on as you can imagine. The people have
been lying already there since one and a half day or two days, we will check this out. And the people and the corpse have been brought to Vienna
and now we try to identify them. This is the first step of the procedure and then a second step, we will try to get who is the owner of the lorry.
We already have the possibility and some hints regarding this information and also some information about possible drivers.
And the third step will be try to get in contact with their relatives with the families.
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MANN: Peter Webinger. Many of the refugees trying to make their way across Europe are fleeing the Civil War in Syria, they felt they had no
choice but to leave home for the prospect of a better life, only to trade one hardship for another, one danger for another. Arwa Damon is following
developments tonight from Budapest in Hungary.
And Arwa, tell us exactly where you are and what's going on around you.
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ARWA DAMON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well Jonathan we're in the train station in Budapest that has now been turned into a migrant and
refugee way station. There are even more people camped out further in the areas that you can't really see from our current vantage point. And on the
level above us there is a small candle lighting vigil for those who perished in the back of that freezer truck.
[15:05:05] And next to the candles that are being lit by people of all ages was a sign that says "Europe, the blood is on your hands," and that is
a direct message to those various different leaders who have yet to come up with a real viable solution to the plight of all of these desperate people
hoping to find a better life.
But also more broadly speaking this over-arching failure to even begin to deal with this migrant and refugee crisis. Because Jonathan, these
conditions aren't great but this is actually some of the better temporary living circumstances that we have seen these people in. There are so many
inexplicable conditions that they find themselves in.
For example on the border with Macedonia, pregnant women, mothers with small babies, being kept under the rain for four days with no shelter.
When they finally reach here after walking for hours across the Serbian and Hungarian border they are held in a makeshift camp in a field begging for
water that is not being provided for them. And so many of them that we were talking to are saying that even when it comes to the most basic of
human rights, humans access to water, a little bit of dignity they say that Europe is failing them.
And many of them don't understand why that is the case. Yes a lot of these countries are overwhelmed, yes they are not the most financially secure but
at least so many people are asking us why aren't these countries at least putting up a tent, giving them some water, helping them a little bit to
ease their burden as opposed to aggravating the situation they're finding themselves in. And pushing them towards these more extreme measures to
reach Western Europe which is resorting to criminal gangs and smuggling rings and then ending up suffocating to death in the back of trucks,
Jonathan.
MANN: Arwa Damon, live in Budapest. Thanks, very much.
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MANN: There's so much danger and so often tragedy for people trying to get into Europe, over land and over sea.
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MANN: According to the latest numbers from the UN more than 300,000 have crossed the Mediterranean so far this year most landing in Italy or Greece.
During all of last year 219,000 made the dangerous crossing.
Deaths at sea are also at record levels this year with more than 2,500 now reported missing or known dead. And that death toll is continuing to go
up.
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MANN: Italian people arrested - or rather Italian police arrested 10 people on Friday on suspicion of multiple homicide after 52 corpses were
found in a boat in the Mediterranean Wednesday. Then Thursday, another deadly boat incident in the waters off the coast of Libya.
Ben Wedeman has details on that.
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BEN WEDEMAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The sea that was supposed to take them to a better life brought their lifeless bodies back to the shores
of Africa, their flight from war, oppression and hopelessness finally over.
Dozens of people, perhaps as many as 200 lost their lives Thursday off the Libyan coast crammed by unscrupulous human traffickers onto rickety boats
launched toward Europe.
We've been forced into this route, it's called the route of death says (Iman Tulol) from Syria. It's now called the grave of the Mediterranean
Sea.
The boats went down shortly after departing the Libyan town of Zuwara from which many people depart. And it was left to the ill equipped Libyan
Coastguard to save who they could. They reportedly don't even have enough body bags for all the dead.
The latest deaths occurred as the number of those who've died trying to cross the Mediterranean has reached at least 2,500, well over 300,000 have
crossed the waters to Europe.
European officials are struggling to find ways to cope with the mounting crisis but there's scant discussion on how to address its root causes
including a four and a half year old war in Syria that has left over 250,000 dead, and driven millions from their homes.
War in Iraq, war in Afghanistan, war in Yemen, war in Somalia, wars, wars, wars, and rumors of war, oppression in countries like Eretria, hopelessness
grinding poverty elsewhere.
A multitude drowning in a sea of woes, on land and at sea.
Ben Wedeman, CNN, Rome.
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MANN: Still to come tonight.
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MANN: 10 years after disaster that stunned the United States and much of the world. The latest on commemorations of Hurricane Katrina.
Also ahead the U.S. and South Korea put on a joint show of force. We'll show you some dramatic military exercises and hear from South Koreans about
their feelings.
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[15:11:56] MANN: Welcome back. Saturday marks 10 years since Hurricane Katrina hit the U.S. coastline killing 1,800 people and upending the lives
of millions more.
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MANN: Former U.S. President, George Bush, has returned to New Orleans as the hardest hit by the hurricane. Mr. Bush of course the U.S. President at
the time, his response to the crisis widely criticized.
Friday he praised New Orleans' resilience and recovery. The current U.S. President, Barack Obama visited the city as well Thursday to commemorate
the anniversary and said persistent racial and economic inequalities endure in New Orleans even now, 10 years on.
Let's go to correspondent Suzanne Malveaux who is in New Orleans for us this evening.
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MANN: What's it like to be there?
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Jonathan I was here 10 years ago of course covering when the President first New Orleans after
Katrina, as well as the time when he found out initially when he was at his Crawford Ranch.
I have to tell you there are a lot of people here I spoke with were quite surprised that it is George W. Bush who is here celebrating the resilience
of New Orleans. A couple of people said Bush? Bush is the one who's here and they said yes, that's absolutely right. And what he is trying to do is
really paint the positive side that the picture of New Orleans coming back, the recovery. Not so much the criticism that he got 10 years ago for the
Federal state and the local governments handling of Katrina and those first days of rather a slow response or failure by many degrees.
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MALVEAUX: But today he was at a charter school, he was before a friendly audience who was with the Mayor, Mayor Landrieu, as well as some students
there and he was emphasizing the positive. What has worked here? The fact that the Federal Government has poured in more than $120 billion to help
this city recover. And the school system that has been dramatically changed, really a radical experiment if you will.
Most of the public schools, more than 90% now are charter schools operated by these independent charters. He says that that has been really
successful and we have actually seen some of the test scores of students go up in the recent years.
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MALVEAUX: And so that is what he wanted to do at this high school really paint a picture of a New Orleans that is strong and is coming back, take a
listen.
I understand we don't have that sound but Jonathan he actually says that there were 33,000 people that were immediately evacuated from the roofs
from the flooding and the immediate aftermath. That that was truly a success by federal officials, by state officials as well as volunteers. He
also talked about the fact that this is a place where you see businesses that are booming, that tourism is back. But you've got to really kind of
measure that with some of the things that are still not up to snuff here. We're talking about at least half of the African American children who live
here are still living in poverty. And over 50% of African American men unemployed. So there is still a long way to go.
That's what we heard from President Obama yesterday, we're hearing a much rosier picture if you will from President Bush, and then President Clinton
will be here tomorrow. Jonathan.
[15:15:03] MANN: How is he being received? I mean the successes he points to have to be measured against the slow disorganized shockingly bad
effort that was made by his administration. Is he in any way acknowledging that or other people addressing it at all when they run into him?
MALVEAUX: There are a couple of things that he has acknowledged in the past. He didn't necessarily knowledge any of that today. That was not his
message today.
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MALVEAUX: But he has in the past acknowledged and called it in an interview a huge mistake not to actually come down to New Orleans
immediately. You saw the Air Force One fly over tipping the wing there in that very famous photo of him looking outside the window. He did say that
that was a huge mistake, the thinking behind that of course not to disrupt what was happening here in New Orleans, some of the recovery, the emergency
evacuations that were taking place.
But other things he does not apologize for; you might remember, or you might recall Kanye West when he said President Bush does not like black
people back then because we were seeing essentially black bodies floating in the streets here in New Orleans and the President called that he said
one of the most disgusting moments of his Presidency because that's not what he felt, that's not what was in his heart. But clearly a lot of
people looking at it thinking it was so hard to understand and imagine just the depth of the inability, the inefficiency of the Federal Government as
well as local and state officials to respond in a quick way. But that is the conclusion that some people actually came up with.
I should tell you today that there wasn't a lot of people who were at that event, it was at a school, it was a friendly audience, a few protestors
outside of the school but for the most part I think people have essentially moved on, not paying that much attention to Bush.
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MALVEAUX: I know that President Obama got a very good reception yesterday. We'll see how Clinton fares tomorrow.
MANN: Suzanne Malveaux in New Orleans, thanks very much.
We'll have much more on Hurricane Katrina later in the program including reflections from a CNN correspondent who witnessed scenes of tragedy and
survival in New Orleans after the storm struck.
The Governor of the U.S. State of Virginia says he'll introduce gun control legislation in the wake of the fatal shootings of a reporter and a
cameraman on live television.
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MANN: Governor Terry McAuliffe met Friday with relatives and colleagues of slain journalists Alison Parker and Adam Ward, at the T.V. station where
they both worked.
He told reporters there that there are too many guns in the wrong hands. Investigators think suspect, Vester Flanagan was going to a specific
location when he fatally shot himself in the car he'd rented. They're looking into whether a wig and shawl found in the car were disguises to
help him flee.
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MANN: The father of Alison Parker also spoke out today again to reporters.
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MANN: He says he'll do whatever it takes to ensure his daughter did not die in vain. And he says he's going to take on politicians and the
powerful gun lobby, the National Rifle Association.
ANDY PARKER, ALISON PARKER'S FATHER: And we've got to do whatever we can to hold these peoples feet to the fire and not be afraid of the NRA
providing this, providing any kind of reasonable legislation tooth and nail. We're not trying to take people's guns away. All we want to do is
keep crazy people from getting guns and there's got to be a way to do it and I'm going to dig down in the weeds and start to learn the process.
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MANN: A former Catholic Archbishop who is facing trial for alleged child abuse has been found dead in his room at the Vatican.
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MANN: A statement from the Vatican says Jozef Wesolowski, died of natural causes. He had been charged with sexually abusing children in the
Dominican Republic during his time as papal nuncio or ambassador there. He was scheduled to go on trial last month.
The trial was postponed after he became ill. The former Archbishop was under house arrest at the Vatican. He had been defrocked.
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MANN: Now to the Korean peninsula where South Korea and the United States conducted major military exercises.
Our Kathy Novak was there to witness a display of fire power and patriotism aimed directly towards the north.
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KATHY NOVAK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is not your average target practice. South Korean F15 fighter jets that can take down a large
number of North Korean fighters at once.
E737 peace eyes that can detect movement across most of North Korea's airspace from the South Korean border. Surion helicopters that launch
flares to evade North Korean missiles then drop of commandos to infiltrate enemy lines.
Our soldiers are ready and able says Battalion Commander Heo Jinnyeong with the will and courage to fight against the enemy.
These exercises bring together U.S. and South Korean fire power preparing for how to respond to a North Korean provocation and simulating all-out
war.
But two can play at this war game. On the Korean peninsula North Korea invented the game parading its 1.2 million active troops and weaponry of
its own under the watchful and unforgiving eye of Supreme Commander Kim Jong-un.
[15:20:09] Anti-tank missiles manned by loyal servants of the Korean people's army. Submarines that Pyongyang claims can launch ballistic
missiles 70% of the fleet deployed during the recent crisis. And artillery like the kind the United States says was aiming towards propaganda speakers
on the border.
And South Korea fired back. Watching this drill it's clear these shells don't miss. Suggesting that when dozens of South Korean rounds landed in
an empty field north of the DMZ that is exactly what they were aiming at. They have the fire power but the game of war on the peninsula is more about
positioning and showing off that fire power than actually using it.
This is not only a military exercise it's a show. Members of the public have even been invited to watch the display.
Nothing like some patriotic music to go with your show of fatal force, and with every ground shaking eardrum shattering boom of artillery in a perfect
v formation, enthusiastic applause from the crowd. It may seem a bit ridiculous but it works.
I felt really anxious living here says (Song Jung-Sun) but after the performances I'm not anxious at all. North Korea can't defeat us.
Satisfied theatre goers at a very dangerous show.
Kathy Novak, CNN, Pocheon, South Korea.
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MANN: Coming up on The World Right Now more fallout from the data breach at the cheating website, Ashley Madison.
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MANN: The man with the top job at the parent company is out. Details ahead.
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MANN: Welcome back, this is what's happening in the business world right now. A week that began with a bang ends with a whimper. The Dow Jones
Industrials, look bouncing all around but down about 80 points on the day, still ending above 16,500. Not a bad way given the way we thought the week
was beginning.
Let's look at the other markets and you'll see the NASDAQ and the S&P both down just a notch, once again happily a little less of the drama that
whiplashed us around this week.
European markets closed, well some have closed up the others down just a little bit. For the most part things ended better later in the day than
they seemed to begin it. But once again at least some breathing space and we head into a quiet week.
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MANN: A quiet weekend after a rollercoaster week on Wall Street all driven by looming uncertainty coming out of one country, China.
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MANN: The Shanghai Composite rallied strongly for a second straight day closing up nearly 5% at the end of Friday's session. That wasn't enough to
make up for the week's deep declines. The index shed a significant part of its value over the last five days. It's been shedding for a while.
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MANN: An affair often leads to a divorce.
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MANN: Noel Biderman, the CEO of Ashley Madison's parent company announced he was stepping down today. The dating site for married people seeking
affairs was hit by a massive hack last week, a breach releasing confidential information belonging to 32 million members of Ashley Madison.
The hackers also released financial information about the website's owner, Avid Life Media, and the contents of Biderman's own emails.
Business correspondent Samuel Burke, joins us now to talk about the fallout from the data breach.
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MANN: And I guess we can take some solace in the fact that it wasn't a marriage ending but it was a career getting upended. What can you tell us?
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Well I just want to hold up this headline from just a few months ago Jonathan. It says "adultery website
Ashley Madison seeks IPO, initial public offering, as demand booms."
Just a few months ago people were talking about the success of this company. Now think of all the people it's affected. Likely cheaters, some
people who maybe didn't cheat but went on the website. Their innocent loved ones, employees of this company, and now the CEO of this company.
[15:25:10] And what really fascinates me Jonathan is the possibility that this was all one person's doing.
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BURKE: Right from the get go Avid Life Media which owns the website which you're seeing on your screen right now, Ashleymadison.com, the CEO who's
now exiting. He's been saying it was definitely a person here, not an employee but certainly someone that touched our technical services.
Now we can't confirm that but if his assertions are correct that it was possibly one person who has affected millions of people's lives it's
absolutely fascinating to think about that. And that also makes me think about Sony. Probably the biggest hack that we've ever witnessed in terms
of media tension, and many experts thing that it was also just one person.
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BURKE: Maybe not somebody doing it maliciously in this case, but somebody, one person at the company whose credentials might have been tampered with
and that's how the alleged North Koreans, that's what the American government alleges were able to get in. So it's incredible to think how
just one person, possibly one hacker can affect an entire company that may have been close to an IPO and is now really begging for its life in terms
of its business needs. And now the CEO is stepping down.
MANN: It's sobering when you think about it because so many companies are so vulnerable and frankly for reasons much more serious.
But you talk about one person, let's talk about a billion people and a different kind of networking, Facebook made a headline today.
BURKE: Absolutely, Mark Zuckerberg posted on Facebook that one billion people used Facebook on Monday. That's 1 in 7 people in the world. I
can't even get 1 in 7 people in my family to listen to me much less use something that I've produced.
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BURKE: Now in this case Facebook already had more than a billion monthly active users but this is just in one day. So what Facebook is doing here
is really setting the bar for how the whole technology industry is probably going to have to report its numbers.
So I want to just take a look at the overall situation for social media because I think this number, 1 billion in one day says more about
Facebook's rivals than it does - than it says about Facebook because they just can't keep up.
Facebook has 1.49 billion monthly active users. Take a look at its competition, its closest rival probably Twitter, 316 million monthly users,
we're not talking about daily users, monthly users.
Instagram which is owned by Facebook, 300 million. Snapchat 100 million monthly active users.
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BURKE: A lot of people had this fear that Facebook might just be another MySpace, people go to it and switch to another social network. When you
have a billion people using your platform on one day, you're feeling pretty good and people who invested in Twitter thinking that they were about to
get the next Facebook. When you see that gap in their numbers you realize why Facebook's stock price is so high and up one percent today. And why
Twitter's stock price has gone down so low over the past few months Jonathan.
MANN: I just want to ask you one small technical question but it goes to this number which is astonishing, astonishing, a billion people. It's not
say 333 million people who are checking out Facebook say in the morning when they wake up or on their portable device on the subway into work and
then when they get into work maybe again at home. I mean we're talking about 1 billion discreet users a day.
BURKE: 1 billion unique users. And what's more fascinating is how many of them are mobile users. Facebook stock was punished when it first had its
IPO because people said, and correctly so, that the Facebook app just wasn't good enough. They listened to what investors wanted, they listened
to what the stock market said and they really improved their mobile application and now it's amazing to see that the majority of those people
using Facebook are doing it on their mobile phones. Investors are loving it and the stock is being rewarded now.
MANN: Samuel Burke, live in New York, thanks very much.
Coming up next; stocking up on emergency supplies.
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MANN: Florida bracing for Erica after the tropical storm rakes the Caribbean. We're tracking Erica's path, we'll have the latest for you.
This too is The World Right Now.
Plus more victims of Europe's migrant crisis after dozens were found dead in Austria backed in the back of a truck. We'll have the latest details on
the investigation, stay with us.
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[15:30.37] MANN: Welcome back. Hungarian police have arrested four people in connection with a horrific discovery in Austria.
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MANN: A highway patrol found the bodies of 71 men, women and children inside an abandoned truck near Vienna. They're believed to be Syrian
refugees who wanted asylum in Europe but suffocated located inside that vehicle.
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MANN: Hundreds of people are feared to have drowned off the coast of Libya after two crowded migrant vessels sank there this week.
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MANN: About 200 people were rescued from the boats but many others are still missing. At least 2,500 people have died this year trying to cross
the Mediterranean to escape war and poverty in Africa and the Middle East.
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MANN: Saturday marks 10 years since Hurricane Katrina hit the U.S. coastline killing more than 1,800 people and displacing a million more.
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MANN: Then U.S. President, George Bush, has returned to New Orleans which was hit hardest by the hurricane and he praised New Orleans for its
resilience and recovery.
Now another storm to tell you about, tropical storm Erica heading towards Florida after it left 12 people dead in the tiny Caribbean island of
Dominica. More than 20 people though are still missing
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MANN: Search and rescue efforts are continuing. Look at the scene, torrential rains and winds sweeping away cars, tearing down trees, damaging
homes and schools, it's shocking.
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MANN: Well as we've been reporting many refugees are fleeing one horror only to die as victims of another, suffocating on land or drowning at sea,
while others are claiming huge profits.
According to the UN human traffickers make more than $32 billion a year. Our Nick Paton Walsh gives us an exclusive look at that trade. First a
warning though the report you're about to see does contain some graphic images.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You've seen where the victims of this continental trade and misery end up, in boats
adrift, on beaches drained of life. But here we expose how the smuggled find themselves in this hell.
A CNN producer stumbles into a (Tripoli) meeting with a smuggler who thinks she is a Syrian looking to bring more Syrians to cross to Europe.
She uses her phone to secretly record his offer.
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WALSH: He insists they use satellite phones, GPS, new motors and a pilot who isn't Libyan but Senegalese. He's from Mali, and drives CNN to the
unfinished building that migrants wait in to cross.
To enter, she walks over trash pretending to tell someone in Syria the details on her phone. Inside this sick underworld there are more than the
80 migrants who were told would be in their boat.
Now maybe these people's last days on dry land.
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WALSH: The T.V. is always on, the rooms hidden behind curtains but the trade so boldly cynical, so patently inhumane.
Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Tripoli.
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MANN: It is the migrant crisis that we have been reporting for months now it seems only to be getting worse and spreading as the danger in the
Mediterranean increased more and more migrants are pushing towards what is known as the Balkan route, that is where we have seen the growth of the
wave rushing ashore into Macedonia, washing into Hungary, and now from Hungary into Austria where dozens of bodies have been recovered in a truck
having suffocated to death.
Their identity still unknown presumed to be Syrian refugees though. The police still are not certain. What is pushing migrants to take such
dangerous risks?
Katarina Kratzman is the Head of the International Organization for Migration in Vienna and joins us now on the line.
[15:35:12] Thanks so much for being with us. There is so much misery in this episode but when you read about more than 70 men, women and children
in the back of a truck, what goes through your mind?
KATERINA KRATZMAN, INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR MIGRATION: Well you have to keep in mind that migrants use smugglers because they like alternatives
to be able to get into the European Union on legal means.
So the tragedy what we saw yesterday, and it is a great tragedy for Austria to face this truck and the dying migrants is two points that we'd like to
make.
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KRATZMAN: One is that you really have to increase the fight against smuggling and trafficking. Of course maybe destroying vessels in the
Mediterranean and also building walls like we can see in Hungary now will not maybe do the job because people still will try to get into the EU. And
no matter how high you build a fence it might not keep them away from it if they are desperate.
The second part is also that we think that more efforts should be made to allow for legal and safe migration into the European Union. We do actually
already have ways which we could increase and use to make the safe journey.
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KRATZMAN: For example we have re-settlement which we could increase, we also have VISA systems which could be used more like humanitarian visas,
student visas, but also family unification or status of temporary protection.
MANN: Can I interrupt you because we have been in contact with the Government of Hungary and its spokesman tells us that even these dead
migrants, and the world can only feel sympathy for them and their families and for their plight. These dead migrants, if they were coming from
Hungary, could have registered in Hungary and could have legally stayed safe and alive in Hungary. Is one of the problems that these migrants,
these refugees, do not want the legal opportunities that are open to them. Even now there are legal means to come in, register and seek safety, and
would rather live and travel on the fringes with traffickers?
KRATZMAN: Yes. I mean we are not pinpointing at any governments or tell the states how to do things differently but what you have to keep in mind
if we look at that specific lorry. The lorry was in Hungary and it crossed Austria on Thursday morning, very early. And of course it's right that the
migrants might have had not died if they would have stayed in Hungary.
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KRATZMAN: But we still don't know the full story here. We don't know if they were maybe locked in the truck, we don't know if they wanted to go to
Austria on their own will. We do not know if maybe Austria was only a transit country and they wanted to go to Germany.
So it's very dangerous I think in this situation and blame people and say you died because you did not want to stay where you were supposed to stay
or you don't (CROSSTALK).
MANN: You're making a point and if that's what I seem to be implying forgive me, I do not at all. The point I was trying to make is there is a
legal context for these people that was established I think in good will, it's clearly failing because the refugees refuse to avail themselves of the
legal opportunities they have.
How badly does Europe have to work and how immediately to change the legal context?
KRATZMAN: Yes. I think that's different possibilities that we talk about at the moment. There's a lot of talk about the quotas that should be
established in the EU to share responsibility and to share burden.
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KRATZMAN: And we also think as an organization that burden sharing and solidarity is a very important mechanism in the EU and it should be
increased and used more.
At the same time the point that you just made is very important because people are people and they will do what they want to do. So if you
introduce quotas and they are not matching the peoples will and needs, they might not stick because it's (inaudible) secondary movements appear and
people move somewhere else.
So what we think about the EU should be doing is to find also other mechanisms to share responsibility and there's a lot of different ways how
we could do that. There is also maybe the idea of introducing a fund for burden sharing. Those countries who have less migrants and refugees and
asylum seekers pay money to those countries who face a lot of burden in this regard.
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KRATZMAN: We could also think about relocation schemes which were introduced through the (inaudible) Project from Malta if you remember. We
could also re-discuss a doubling system. There's a lot of talk about doubling three and if this works right, or if it could maybe free up
coastal from the doubling system.
MANN: Clearly there are a lot of options but right now the system is not working. Katarina Kratzman of the International Office of Migration, thank
you so much for talking with us.
KRATZMAN: Thank you.
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MANN: Tropical storm Erica is heading toward Florida after leaving 12 people dead in the tiny Caribbean island of Dominica.
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[15: 40:09] MANN: More than 20 people are still missing. Search and rescue efforts are continuing. Torrential rains and winds sweeping away
cars, tearing down trees, damaging homes. One entire school was torn away because of the water.
Florida's Governor isn't waiting, he's declaring a state of emergency ahead of Erica's possible arrival.
Let's get the latest on the storm's path from CNN Meteorologist Jennifer Gray, what are you seeing?
JENNIFER GRAY, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well right now it is to the south of the Dominican Republic. In fact Hispaniola is going to have a huge impact on
this storm. So over the next 12 to 24 hours we'll be able to learn a lot more about where this storm exactly is going to go and the intensity of it.
Hispanioloa has a lot of mountainous terrain which can shred a storm so once it gets on the north side it's going to really have to get itself back
together again and that will give us a clear picture of exactly this storm's path.
Right now it's got winds of 85km with gusts up to 100 moving to the west at 29km. With the current forecast track it has it crossing over Hispaniola
for tonight and then making a brush with Cuba. Most of the convection will most likely stay off shore and then possibly having a run in with South
Florida.
Some of the computer models are taking it right up the spine of Florida. If that's the case it's going to be a huge rainmaker. South Florida needs
the rain they're in an incredible drought but portions of central and north Florida do not. They're already complete saturated so we could see
flooding there.
So that's the latest forecast track. We are going to get another update within the next hour to hour and a half. These are the computer models
that we look at to forecast these storms and it's very interesting because the forecast models have been shifting quite a bit run after run.
Right now they are taking this storm a little bit farther to the west than the last run, a lot of the models taking it up more of the west side of
Florida. That would bring more rainfall to east Florida. But some of the models are now saying it could venture off to the west.
Now if it interacts more with Cuba it is just going to cause the storm to fall apart even more. It could potentially get itself back together again
in the Gulf of Mexico but too early to tell.
It could also take this eastern track, go over the warm waters of the Bahamas, gain strength there and then have possible impact right around the
Georgia, South Carolina border, that's the least likely scenario though. So right now we're going with either up the spine of Florida on the West
side, or even possibly heading to the west.
But this has already caused a lot of rain as you mentioned. Dominican Republic and Haiti could see quite a bit of rain in the next 12 to 24
hours. We could see from anywhere 100 to 150mm of rain. Isolated amounts up to 250mm. And because this is such a mountainous terrain we are going
to be looking at the possibility of flooding, landslides as well.
Then like I said once this storm gets on the north side by tomorrow morning we'll take another look, see what kind of the condition the storm is in to
see what sort of track it's going to take.
But Jonathan the storm is nowhere near the strength that a lot of the storms that we've seen in the West Pacific this past year. But definitely
a rainmaker and has caused several deaths up to a dozens, and caused those landslides. So it has been a very dangerous storm and as it continues to
threaten the U.S. we are going to continue to monitor it.
MANN: Jennifer Gray at the Weather Center, thanks very much.
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MANN: This is The World Right Now.
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MANN: Coming up one of our reporters talks about Hurricane Katrina and the devastating days that followed. 10 years after it slammed into New
Orleans.
Plus as scientists explore the Universe in search of life it looks like some internet users have beat them too it. We'll explain later in the
program.
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[15:46:00] MANN: Welcome back. We return now to one of our top stories tonight, the 10th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.
U.S. Emergency Management Authorities have called it the most catastrophic natural disaster in U.S. history.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MANN: The category 3 storm struck the U.S. gulf coast on August 29th of 2005 devastating an area as big as the U.K. More than 1,800 people lost
their lives in the hurricane, most of them died in the state of Louisiana. More than a million people were displaced.
Katrina also caused damage worth more than a hundred billion dollars. The images of homes under water and people desperate for help amid the water
are unforgettable.
CNN's Bob Van Dillen looks back now at how Hurricane Katrina unfolded.
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BOB VAN DILLEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Katrina formed on Wednesday August 24, 2005.
It was just a tropical storm at first off the coast of Florida but the next day it strengthened to a Category 1 Hurricane.
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Yesterday I signed a disaster declaration for the state of Louisiana and this morning I signed a disaster declaration for
the state of Mississippi.
DILLEN: By Saturday Katrina had doubled in size and was now a Category 3 storm, a major hurricane. And on Sunday morning August 28th, Katrina had
strengthened to a Category 4 with New Orleans right in its path.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every person is hereby ordered to immediately evacuate the city of New Orleans.
DILLEN: That same day the National Weather Service issued one of its strongest warnings ever. Persons, pets and livestock exposed to the winds
will face certain death if struck. Roads jammed as thousands tried to make it out of the city but the storm veered and New Orleans was spared a direct
hit.
Everything seemed OK until later that night when water started toppling over the levies. By 7am the next morning the city is flooding but New
Orleans isn't alone. Biloxi and Coalport Mississippi are slammed by Katrina's front right quadrant.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who was at your house with you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My wife.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And where is she now?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible) she go.
DILLEN: Tuesday August 30th Katrina has weakened into a heavy storm over Tennessee but New Orleans continues to flood from breaks in its levies.
Hundreds of thousands are suddenly homeless and it would be weeks before the waters finally went down.
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MANN: CNN's Martin Savidge was in New Orleans when the Hurricane hit and in the days that followed he was begged for help from desperate people
trying to get in touch with their loved ones.
Here now are his reflections on a dark time.
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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I was in the superdome when Katrina struck. A couple of days later I was here at the Convention
Center. This place was far worse.
There were thousands and thousands of people in days in without any help. They were desperate.
They begged us to take them with us. They assumed that we were leaving every day. We weren't, we never left the city. And so when we told that
to them they then said well you've got to have some way of talking to people. We said well we have satellite phones. And that's when people
began tearing up pieces of paper or grabbing any cardboard and writing down telephone numbers.
It was certain that someone knew that they would come and be rescued. They gave me the numbers and begged that I call, then every evening when I got
done with work, and whenever a few free moments, I'd start making my way down the list.
The first thing I realized is that nobody answers their phone anymore. It's always voicemail after voicemail and the message I would always leave
was the same; you don't know me, I'm a reporter, I'm in New Orleans, I saw your uncle today in the Convention Center, or I saw your aunt, I saw your
sister, they're OK.
[15:50:10] One of the people actually wrote specifically what I was supposed to say on the phone call and it goes "please call my daughter
Amethyst and tell her here daddy "ain't dead yet."
I hung onto that note all these years just because it was a reminder of how desperate people were.
MANN: So many lives marked by Katrina 10 years ago, so many lives upended, stay with us for our continuing coverage of the commemorations of the 10th
anniversary of Hurricane Katrina. Anderson Cooper hosts a powerful documentary; Katrina: The Storm that Never Stopped. It airs Saturday, 8pm
from London.
We'll be back with more news right after this.
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MANN: Welcome back. Nepal is desperate to revive its climbing industry after several people died on Mount Everest in an earthquake last April.
One man is determined to help and he's already set off on the first phase of his big adventure.
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AMARA WALKER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's been less than six months since a massive earthquake triggered this avalanche on Mount
Everest.
19 climbers were killed, dozens were hurt and a massive operation was launched to rescue more than 200 people left stranded. The climbing season
was abandoned and the world's tallest mountain has been virtually shut down since then.
Now Japan's Nobukazi Kuriki hopes to be the first climber to return to Everest. He is currently getting ready in Nepal.
NOBUKAZI KURIKI: (As translated) I'm a bit concerned as no-one has been up Mount Everest for a while but by going up there I hope people's interest
in the mountain is renewed despite the dangers.
WALKER: This will be Kuriki's fifth attempt at Everest. He plans to climb solo and without oxygen. Even more remarkable Kuriki lost all of his
fingertips and a thumb to frostbite on a previous attempt but says that won't slow him down this time.
The 33 year old says he hopes his climb will help Nepal's economy as tourists helped Japan after the quake and Tsunami in 2011.
KURIKI: The tourists that came after the disaster there helped get back on their feet and as the mountain won't really change I thought its best to
come early.
WALKER: The Japanese climber heads into the mountains early next week to acclimatize himself and hopes to begin his ascent of Mount Everest by
September 15th, weather permitting.
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MANN: We'll let you know how he makes out. That was Amara Walker reporting.
Nepal's tourism industry is praising the attempt saying it's an example for other visitors. Some critics though are calling the climb risky and
dangerous. Once again, it's something to follow.
Now to one of mankind's oldest questions. Are we alone in the Universe?
Well some internet sleuths are convinced they have found life on other planets. Ian Lee explains.
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IAN LEE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: What does a Martian look like? Hollywood depicts little green men. Years of Mars exploration have
produced some scenic pictures but no signs of life, or are there?
The internet has exposed the truth. Pictures of Martian rats, iguanas, floating rocks, mysterious woman, and yes even an imperial star destroyer
from Star Wars.
We took the pictures to the streets of London.
This is the latest that the internet's buzzing about. What do you see?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's got to be a spaceship hasn't it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's a crab.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Or that one, that looks like a (chick) doesn't it. It looks like a lady right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That looks like a frog.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A lizard.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Gecko.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It looks like a proper pyramid, probably of natural origin.
LEE: We put these pictures to their source, NASA's curiosity rover team.
ASHWIN VASAVAD, PROJECT SCIENTIST, NASA: There's no group that's - that would be more happy to see such a thing than the 500 scientists around the
world who work on this curiosity rover. But so far you know we haven't seen anything that is so obvious that it would be, you know, similar to
what these claims are.
LEE: But what about that mysterious woman?
VASAVAD: See now she'd be a few inches tall, and hasn't moved in a few months so we don't really think that's what it is.
LEE: Or what about the rats and iguana's?
VASAVAD: We have no evidence of Martian iguana's or rats at this point.
LEE: Every picture is just eroded rocks and shadows tricking the brain says NASA.
Are you guys just holding back on us? Have you found it and you're just like 10 years that's a good timeframe to let it sink in before the world
knows. Are you holding out?
VASAVAD: Yes, you know I don't think we could do that even if we wanted to. Every one of our images is put on the internet very soon after it
comes down to earth. Chances are if there was something so dramatic in one of the images it would be found out on the internet before we even got to
make that discovery.
LEE: So keep hunting internet, you still may yet discover alien life. Also keep in mind NASA predicts we'll discover other worldly beings by
2025.
Ian Lee, CNN, London.
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MANN: And finally a glimpse of life here on earth.
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MANN: Former U.S. President, George Bush, appearing lively. Certainly in good spirits during a visit to a school in New Orleans. Mr. Bush as you
can see starting to dance.
As we've been reporting earlier in the program he's taking part in commemorations marking the 10th anniversary of hurricane Katrina.
Well this is certainly not the first time we've seen him dance in public. Liberia 2008 dancing a bit as a local singer performs and the crowd looks
on.
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MANN: This is The World Right Now, thanks for joining us. Quest Means business is next.
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