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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We're coming to you live from CNN London and this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
The manhunt continues for the man believed to be the third attacker at the Brussels airport. Authorities have released today new surveillance images
and make a fresh appeal to the public for help to track him down. Kellie Morgan brings us the latest from Brussels.
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KELLIE MORGAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A new lead in the hunt for one of the most wanted men in Europe. Belgian investigators say this
surveillance video shows the route the third airport bomber took in the first two hours after he fled the terminal.
Up until now the only image authorities have had of the unidentified man is the one captured inside the airport where he's pictured wearing a white
coat and hat pushing a suitcase trolley alongside suicide bombers.
It was taken a short time before the blast at 7:58 a.m. Now this image of him leaving the airport building. He walks passed the Sheraton Hotel and
makes his escape by the Avis parking area.
An hour later the suspect is seen walking, but he ditched his coat along the way. It's yet to be found. Fifty minutes on, investigators say the
same man has rolled up the sleeves of his light colored shirt and is captured by surveillance cameras again in the neighborhood where the
Brussels attackers made their bombs.
The suspect is filmed three times in this area captured here talking on his mobile phone. The last surveillance image is taken at 9:50 a.m. The
Belgian prosecutor has released footage in the hopes someone remembers seeing him, recognizes him or has found the dumped coat.
ERIC VAN DER SYPT, SPOKESMAN, BELGIAN FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: We especially appeal to people who would have taken a photograph of the suspect and may
provide information on this issue.
MORGAN: The man in the white coat is one of two suspects Belgian police are still hunting for taking part in the Brussels attacks. The other is an
accomplice. The two men are wanted for direct involvement, but the search also extends to several other suspects as authorities across Europe work to
dismantle ISIS terror cells they fear are planning yet more attacks.
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GORANI: Kelly Morgan joins me now with more from Brussels. Kelly, first of all, why are we seeing this surveillance footage now? It's been more
than two weeks since the attacks.
MORGAN: That's right, Hala. It does seem rather late in the game, doesn't it? There is quite a lot of footage there. It seems that authorities,
prosecutor have spent time really trying to gather that footage in different areas in Brussels. And what does it really tell us?
You know, we're seeing this unidentified man from different angles. We're getting more detail on the kind of clothing that he was wearing and of
course, police are keen to find that jacket.
If they can find that jacket, possibly some DNA on it that could help them identify this wanted man and hopefully help them uncover another lead
because as you say, it's more than two weeks now since the attack and little development.
Raids here and there but this man has alluded authorities until now and there's a concern that another plot is in the making. That's the biggest
fear -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, Kelly Morgan in Brussels, thanks very much. Let's take another closer look at the images released by Belgian authorities today
with an expert.
We're joined by Tom Fuentes, CNN senior law enforcement analyst and former assistant director of the FBI. Tom, first of all, the question I asked
Kellie, it's been more than two weeks since the attacks.
We first saw the initial screen grab with the picture of the third suspect in the airport bombing broadcast far and wide. Now they are looking for
that jacket that he discarded at some point in the two hours he was caught on CCTV footage.
But it's been so long, is there any hope if he tossed it in a trash can for instance that it could be found at this late stage?
[15:05:08]TOM FUENTES, CNN SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: No, I think you're right, Hala. The problem with that is that in the meantime if he
dumped it into a dumpster or public trash container, you would expect that they would have been emptied by now and you would have to go to a landfill
and see if they can find that in a debris at a landfill.
So that's a little bit late to be looking for that. We don't know the reasons for the delay of two weeks and showing these videos. Maybe they
had a lead.
Maybe they thought they knew who it was or had someone tip them off early and tried to go to the person or make the arrest on their own and then that
failed so now it's back to showing the rest of the videos to the public. We just don't know.
GORANI: As a law enforcement expert when you watch this video, he's caught over about two hours after the bombing at the airport a little before 8:00
a.m. local time, what do you make of it?
FUENTES: We don't know for sure if he got a ride. Once he circled back through that parking lot and across the street about two blocks from the
airport, we don't know if somebody picked him up and drove him to the vicinity of his neighborhood or if he was on foot the entire time, which is
about 8 kilometers and was about an hour after the airport area videos until we see him in subsequent videos without the white coat with a hood.
We don't know what he did exactly in the interim and then later, an hour plus later, he shows up in a new set of videos and still photographs
without the jacket but still walking down the street with a cell phone in hand.
GORANI: I want to show our viewers the map authorities shared with reporters today. He walked through an Avis rental car company parking lot.
It appears as though the entire time he was on foot here, Tom, which means that he didn't have someone pick him up at the airport or anything.
FUENTES: Not at the airport. He was on the phone so we don't know if he arranged a rendezvous three or four blocks away from the airport. Probably
on foot the entire time. It's not that much distance to cover if you're in relatively good shape.
He could have physically walked the distance to his home area. What we also don't know is maybe someone from the public already identified him to
the police and they tried to find him on their own and that failed so now they're going to release the rest of the videos that they're holding.
GORANI: Based on your experience, if someone is on the phone and they know at what time this person was on the phone and where he was when he was on
the phone, how easy or difficult is it at that point to try to dial it back and trace the call or the phone or anything like that?
FUENTES: I think it can be done, but it's very difficult especially if you have a major attack like that, everybody would be calling on the phone to
check on each other's well-being or notify friends and family of the event.
So there would be a lot of phone transmissions and to try to isolate it to one phone going down the street would be very difficult unless you already
have that number and can try to track it and triangulate that phone's transmission electronically. If they don't have the phone, we just don't
know if the phone disappeared along with him.
GORANI: But Tom, lastly, it does really seem at this point like they still really don't know who this guy is.
FUENTES: It seems so. Seems like they haven't been able to get him identified.
GORANI: Tom Fuentes, thanks very much. Always appreciate your time. Thanks for being with us on the program this evening.
FUENTES: Thank you, Hala.
GORANI: Syrian media are reporting a mass kidnapping of civilians near Damascus. They say ISIS militants have kidnapped some 300 workers at a
cement factory outside the capital. A local officials say witnesses saw 125 workers being forced onto buses that headed toward areas firmly under
ISIS control.
And to the front lines against ISIS in Iraq --
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GORANI: This is Iraq. Government troops trying to lay the groundwork for their biggest confrontation yet with the terrorist group by far. They are
little by little recapturing villages near Mosul as they advance on the city itself.
The ISIS stronghold has a huge civilian population. There are growing fears that civilians could be used as human shields once the army attacks.
Mosul, of course, fell to ISIS after the Iraqi army fled.
Our Arwa Damon is filing exclusive reports from Iraq all week and hear firsthand the horrors of life under ISIS rule. Take a look.
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ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The latest arrivals at this refugee camp are not those who fled ISIS. They are
those who say that ISIS used them as human shields and didn't let them leave.
[15:10:00]They are from a handful of villages the Iraqi army recently recaptured from ISIS. The men are kept at the camp's mosque, a security
precaution amid concerns ISIS fighters may be among them.
ISIS put five families into each home in the middle of the village, he recalls. Like many here, he does not want his identity revealed. He still
have loved ones at the mercy of ISIS and has already witnessed and lost too much.
He and his family could hear the army's advance, hope finally that they would be saved. But in the fierce clashes, his younger brother was hit as
he pulled his niece away from the window. He shouted "I am shot, get me" Abu said.
The memory of that moment so painful, he can no longer control his emotions. He said, I don't want to die, but he bled out in his arms.
With us, he is able to leave the mosque grounds and we head to see the rest of his family. He says they did not flee when ISIS first arrived nearly
two years ago because his elderly mother could not run away.
A mother who has buried her son. What is left, she now questions. At least God spared the rest. Their stories of life under ISIS make your skin
crawl. Abu worked at a hospital in in Mosul.
I was forced to keep working, he said. If you don't, I will leave your head on the hospital gate, he tells us. Once he was stopped in the street
and forced to witness a public mass execution.
In another instance on the way to the market, he says we saw people hanging from the electricity pole. We asked why. They said they were trying to
leave. If you try to escape, this will be your fate.
The women also hide their faces, but little can hide the lingering fear, the overwhelming psychological trauma or the pain. This woman says the
house ISIS held her family in as the Iraqi army advanced was hit by a mortar.
She was injured. Her 15-year-old son killed. Her last image of him, with blood coming out of his eyes, nose, mouth. It's all memories, she says,
before it becomes too much and she walks away.
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GORANI: Arwa is now in Erbil, Iraq and she joins me now live. So the villages on the way to Mosul are one thing and Mosul is entirely another.
Is the Iraqi army prepared?
DAMON: That's a great question, Hala. They are being challenged at every step of the way. Even though when they first launched this operation to
try to begin that phase of liberating Mosul.
They captured around three villages fairly quickly, but they tried to move onto a fourth and even though it seemed as if that was also going to be
successful operation, they were backed by significant coalition airpower.
They actually ended up capturing a portion of the village and then they got turned around in the battlefield. A series of missteps and they ended up
inadvertently retreating and then ISIS managed to move back in.
And now top commanders are telling us that this push towards Mosul is being put on something of a pause while they wait for reinforcements to come.
So that question as to whether or not the Iraqi forces are ready, well, we don't actually know what they are ready for and if they are going to be
able to take on a city such as Mosul where ISIS has anywhere between 1.5 million to 2 million people that it could potentially also be using as
human shields.
GORANI: Now, what is the difference between, say, how Russian airpower helped Syrian armed forces with allies from neighboring countries, what's
the difference between that success and Iraqi army to make significant gains with the help of coalition airpower?
DAMON: Well, some of those who you talk to will say that they want more of what the coalition is already offering and we do know that the coalition
especially the U.S. is right now in the process of trying to amp up its efforts here on the ground by increasing all of the additions they bring to
the table, airpower, advisers, et cetera.
When you look at what the Russians did in Syria, a lot of their bombing as we've been reporting and as you know very well has been very
indiscriminate. The Syrian opposition, rebel held areas have accused Russians of going in and bombing civilians.
And not giving much thought to the aftermath of the air strikes that they were carrying out and that's by in large what then allowed the Syrian army
to move into a lot of the areas there. Here one would argue that the firepower being put to use is much more discriminate and targets are much
more carefully selected.
[15:15:12]But at the end of the day, you do hear a fair amount of criticism both here and in Syria from those who perceive the U.S. to be their allies
saying, look, America needs to do more than it's already doing.
GORANI: All right. Arwa Damon in Erbil, Iraq, thanks very much. More of Arwa's reporting tomorrow on the program.
Not far from the frontline, another battle is under way to save what's been called the most dangerous dam in the world. In her next report, Arwa will
take us inside the massive structure near Mosul. She went to find out how after all fighting nearby, the dam is even still standing.
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DAMON (voice-over): Workers are drilling bore holes. This one will go down a 150 meters or around 500 feet.
(on camera): Drilling that particular distance takes about a week and the machines go up and down along the length of the dam breaking up and then
re-pouring cement to try to4 ensure the stability of the dam's foundation.
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GORANI: That will be Friday at 4:00 p.m. in London only on CNN.
Still to come this evening, the fight for the U.S. Democratic presidential nomination takes on a nasty tone, but will the mudslinging between Bernie
Sanders and Hillary Clinton actually stick. I'll speak to the press secretary for the Clinton campaign straight ahead.
And Europe could be doing more to screen terrorists and it's ignoring key tools to track them. That's what a top American intelligence official is
telling CNN pointing a finger of blame squarely at Europe. We'll be right back.
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GORANI: Democratic presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, is hitting the campaign trail hard in New York after a disappointing loss to Bernie
Sanders in Wisconsin. New York goes to the polls on April 19th, 247 delegates are up for grabs for the Democrats.
It's a big and important contest. Clinton even hopped on the subway today and laughed off criticism from Sanders who now says she's not qualified to
be president.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I understand Bernie Sanders thinks you're not qualified.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, it's kind of a silly thing to say. But I'm going to trust the voters of New York who know me
and have voted for me three times, twice for Senate, one for the presidential primary. I don't know why he's saying that. I will take
Bernie Sanders over Donald Trump or Ted Cruz any time.
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GORANI: The mudslinging over who is more qualified to become president started during a Sanders' campaign event on Wednesday. Listen to this.
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[15:20:01]BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Secretary Clinton appears to be getting a little bit nervous. She's been saying lately that
she thinks that I am, quote/unquote, "not qualified" to be president. I don't believe that she is qualified.
I don't think that you are qualified if you get $15 million from Wall Street through your super PAC. I don't think you are qualified if you have
voted for the disastrous war in Iraq.
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GORANI: And today, Sanders didn't backtrack. In fact, he doubled down. Listen.
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SANDERS: So when you have headlines in "The Washington Post," quote, "Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president." My
response is, well, if you want to question my qualifications, let me suggest this.
Maybe the American people might wonder about your qualifications, Madame Secretary, when you voted for the war in Iraq, the most disastrous foreign
policy blunder in the modern history of America.
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GORANI: Let's get reaction to all of this from the Clinton camp from her press secretary, Brian Fallon, joining me live from New York. Brian,
thanks for being with us.
So what's your reaction to all of this? We are hearing Bernie Sanders over and over again attacks Hillary Clinton in a much more obvious and pointed
way. What's your reaction to this?
BRIAN FALLON, PRESS SECRETARY, HILLARY CLINTON: Well, I think it's all a product of where the race stands right now on the Democratic side. Senator
Sanders has had a few victories in a row in small states where there have not been a lot of delegates up for grabs.
And so even though he's had a few wins, Hillary Clinton retains a significant lead in the delegates, which is what's going to decide this
nomination.
And so Senator Sanders has been increasingly frustrated and what happened earlier this week is "The New York Daily News," one of the main tabloid
newspapers in New York published an extended interview that they did with him.
Where they really questioned him sharply on his central key proposal of breaking up banks here in Manhattan and he wasn't able to answer even
elementary questions about how he would do that or what legal authorities exist to allow that to happen.
Hillary Clinton in reaction to that was questioned about whether she thought that that interview revealed him to be unqualified to be president.
She did not take the bait.
She did not say he was unqualified to be president, but Senator Sanders in turn has now said that about her. I don't think the Democratic voters here
in the United States are going to fall --
GORANI: Brian, she didn't use -- she didn't use the word unqualified, but her exact answer was is Bernie Sanders qualified to be president? He
hadn't done his homework.
He's been talking for more than a year of doing things he hadn't studied or understood. That's another way of saying he can't do the job. He doesn't
have the qualification for it, isn't it?
FALLON: No, I don't think so. It's one thing for her to correctly and accurately point out that if you're going to talk about a particular issue
that is Wall Street reform, if you're going to put that at the center of your campaign, you should have some level of knowledge about that you can
answer questions about it as another thing to question one's fitness for office.
She was specifically asked for today and she said in the clip that you just played she would support Senator Sanders over any of the Republicans that
are being put forth. Senator Sanders should be willing and able to say the same about Secretary Clinton.
She's a former first lady, two-term senator, former secretary of state, there is hardly anyone that's been nominated by the Democratic Party that's
more qualified than her in the history of American politics. This is a below the belt level of rhetoric --
GORANI: But his point was it's not that she doesn't have knowledge, policy knowledge or doesn't have the political experience having been a two-term
senator and secretary of state.
Basically he's saying she supported a disastrous war and taking money from big interests and that to me means she's not qualified to hold the highest
office in the land basically.
So how do you react? I mean, is that going to stick in your opinion with some voters, listen to that and think maybe there's something to it?
FALLON: No, I don't think so. He's been making many of those attacks throughout this campaign, but the idea that any of those issues would be
disqualifying by that standard President Obama himself is not fit to occupy the oval office.
John Kerry, who was our nominee in 2004 was not fit for the presidency either. I think that the idea that these standards add up to not being
qualified for office is a laughable accusation to make.
I do not think that Democratic voters will buy it. I think it's more a testimony to the fact that right now he's flailing and his campaign is
staring down a very daunting delegate math situation.
The campaign that's afoot right now in New York voting on April 19th, it has the potential to be decisive. Because if Senator Sanders can't win
here in New York, then there really aren't many scenarios left where he can make up the delegate math.
[05:25:09]So this is an important contest. I think that's why you are seeing Senator Sanders get testier in these last few days, but he really is
going to need to come out and give an affirmative case for New Yorkers to support him over Hillary Clinton if he wants to start to eat into Hillary
Clinton's delegate lead.
GORANI: And certainly this is an analysis where we've heard a lot that unless senator Sanders wins New York potentially this could be problematic
for him, but you mention that he's won a few states with very few delegates at stake.
But it's undeniable, Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii, Wisconsin, Washington, six of the seven of the last seven contests were won by Bernie Sanders.
There is a huge chunk of the Democratic Party that want this man to be their nominee.
FALLON: If you look at all of the states that have voted, Hillary Clinton leads senator Sanders by over 2 million votes. Our delegate lead is over
200, which far exceeds the largest lead that President Obama ever had over Hillary Clinton in 2008.
And so by every measure we have a commanding lead right now. It's true that as you mention he's rattled off a series of victories in those states.
Most of those states were caucuses opposed to primaries. They are lower turnout.
Of the 18 states that remain to vote, there are only two of them that are caucuses. The map is getting less favorable for him. Also of 16 states
that are primaries, all but three of them are closed primaries meaning only Democrats can vote.
Hillary Clinton consistently beats Bernie Sanders among Democratic voters when he doesn't have chance to have non-Democrats come in and vote for him
Hillary Clinton tends to win those states. That's another measure of how hard the road ahead is for Senator Sanders.
GORANI: Brian, I want to ask you one last question. How has and what is truly to this day a very surprising surge of support for Bernie Sanders?
How has that changed in any way Hillary Clinton's sort of ideas that she will bring or might bring into the campaign in order to woo those voters
supporting Bernie Sanders. How might that change her platform at all?
FALLON: I don't know that it will change her platform. Many issues we talk about in this campaign have been priorities for Hillary Clinton
throughout her career for many years now.
I do think that the success of the Sanders campaign combined with enthusiasm that we have for our campaign shows that overall on the
Democratic side that when we go into a general election, the issues that are going to be most galvanizing to the American electorate is where the
Democrat is on the right side of the issues.
People going to the polls choosing between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump or Ted Cruz in the Republican side, they'll be concerned about who will
raise wages and who will be in support of a minimum wage increase, who will be in support of pay equity for women and who will defend a path to
citizenship for immigrants that here in the United States.
And who will defend the healthcare law that President Obama passed and I think that the outpouring of support and enthusiasm you see both for
Sanders and Clinton campaigns shows that the Democrats right now recognize the high stakes of this election.
And I predict that there will be overwhelming turnout on the Democratic side come a general election. Senator Sanders' campaign helped contribute
to that. This contested primary will prove to be a very good thing for our party.
GORANI: Brian Fallon, national press secretary for the Clinton campaign, thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it.
FALLON: Thank you for having me.
GORANI: On the Republican side, Donald Trump is trying to recalibrate his campaign after losing to Ted Cruz in Wisconsin. Former candidate, Ben
Carson, says he's on hand to help Trump because they both want to make America great again, but he also suggested a better choice than Trump could
be out there in an interview on CNN.
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JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Do you think there are better people out there to be president than Donald Trump?
BEN CARSON (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't think you have to really think about that. It doesn't matter what you're doing. There are
better people than me at neuro surgery and better people than you at broadcasting. They are better people at everything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you say there are better people out there, did you have someone in mind?
CARSON: I don't think that that's a useful place to go.
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GORANI: You might want to call that ambivalence from Carson. Meanwhile, the Trump campaign just announced the candidate is expanding his nomination
effort under the leadership of his convention manager, Paul Manafort.
When we come back, we find it concerning, that's the verdict of a top American official over European authorities tracking suspected terrorists.
We have that exclusive interview next.
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GORANI: Welcome back. A look at our top stories; Belgian police have released new images of the third suspect in the Brussels airport terror
attack.
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GORANI: The security camera videos show the suspect wearing a hat and walking from the airport in the hours after the attack through a parking
lot in front of a hotel. Belgian authorities issued a wanted notice for the suspect and are asking people for help as well.
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GORANI: Village by village, Iraqi troops are advancing on Mosul laying groundwork, they hope, for an offensive to retake the country's second
largest city from ISIS.
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GORANI: Concerns are growing that the terrorist group may try to use civilians in Mosul as human shields once the army moves in.
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GORANI: Iceland officially has a new Prime Minister.
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GORANI: State media there say Sigurour Ingi Johannsson has been sworn in. His predecessor resigned after protests by the leak of the so-called
"Panama Papers" that showed links of the former prime minister to an offshore company.
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GORANI: Lawmakers in France are trying to crackdown on prostitution with a new law. It's different in that this legislation actually penalizes the
people who pay for sex rather than those who provide the service. The move is drawing angry backlash from prostitute unions in France. Our Jim
Bittermann has more from Paris.
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JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This law in fact is the result of years of work by the Parliamentarians trying to get it just
right or at least trying to get a version that everyone can agree on.
Basically the objective is to get prostitutes off the streets of France. There are an estimated 40,000 sex workers who apply their trades on the
streets of France and authorities would like to eliminate that or at least reduce it as much as possible.
They've modeled the law after the law in Sweden which basically penalizes customers of prostitutes. Off course the prostitutes are protesting.
There's actually a prostitutes association which is kind of a union which has been protesting this law saying that if you go after the client, it's
bad for business. As well it may force prostitutes into some kind of risky behavior such as for example going into customers' homes so that they won't
be arrested, that could be more of a risk for a prostitute than the current situation.
In any case, there may be some unintended consequences. There are novelties in this law. For example, prostitutes will be given six months residency
permits if they say that they want to get out of prostitution, they go into re-education program, they'll get a six-month residency permit thus making
them legal. That according to some parliamentarians that will get rid of sexual slaves, people that have come here from Eastern Europe or the Middle
East and basically applying a trade of a prostitute and being forced to do it.
Jim Bittermann, CNN, Paris.
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GORANI: Thank you Jim. European governments are not taking full advantage of some of the intelligence and tracking tools that the U.S. has offered
them in the fight against terrorism. That is what a top American counterterrorism official is telling CNN. The director of the Terrorist
Screening Center says nations can do more to screen suspects.
Earlier today, the French President Francois Hollande said EU nations are working on better intelligence sharing.
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FRANCOIS HOLLANDE, FRENCH PRESIDENT: (As translated) In the fight against terrorism, the interior ministers are working to ensure that we can bring
Europe towards more protection, more security, more coordination in the field of intelligence and the identification of certain individuals.
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GORANI: Well, CNN justice correspondent Pamela Brown sat down with the Director of the Terrorist Screening Center and she joins us from
Washington. Pamela, so what exactly was said here? That there were tools, that there were methods offered up to European countries but that they
didn't utilize them?
PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, the Director of the Terrorist Screening Center, Christopher Piehota was making the point that
the U.S. routinely shares its watch list, any information it has on terrorists in real time. But in Europe they don't systematically
consistently routinely use that information to check people who cross their borders. Whether it's by plane, boat, any other way that people cross their
borders unlike the United States where anyone flying in here or crossing the borders are checked against that database. And the concern is that
those inconsistencies could perhaps give terrorists an advantage in Europe. Here's what he had to say.
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CHRISTOPHER PIEHOTA, DIRECTOR TERRORIST SCREENING CENTER: It's concerning that our partners don't use all of our data. We provide them with tools. We
provide them with support and I would find it concerning that they don't use these tools to help screen for their own aviation security, maritime
security, border screening, visas, things like that for travel. We find it concerning.
BROWN: We now have seen two ISIS terror attacks in Europe more recently in Paris as well as in Brussels at the airport and metro station. Would the
U.S. watch list have prevented the terrorists identified in those attacks from slipping into the United States?
PIEHOTA: It depends. Now and I say it depends because if they were on our list and they were properly identified, they may have been caught at our
borders. They may not have been granted access to our country. So I can say that I would hope that our screening network would have caught them.
Nothing is 100% foolproof. I will tell you that.
BROWN: Did that information make its way into our watch lists? Did they - did they share information prior to those attacks about these people? I'm
trying to get a sense of how that would work.
PIEHOTA: We were aware of some of the people.
BROWN: We know of at least two bombers who are still on the run possibly in Europe. How concerning is that to you these could be people who might want
to make it into the U.S., they haven't been publically identified?
PIEHOTA: It's very concerning. And that's where the awareness and the vigilance comes in. We rely on our partners to look for them, conduct
investigations and operations that help us identify them.
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BROWN: And Piehota said that information sharing and cooperation between the United States and Europe has greatly improved in the wake of the ISIS
threat but there are still clearly vulnerabilities that need to be addressed. The E.U. is working on that. In fact just this month they're
looking at a measure to share passenger information with other countries - with member countries.
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BROWN: So still a lot needs to be done to prevent another attack like what we saw in Brussels just recently. Hala.
GORANI: Well, and European leaders are saying hang on, the U.S. is criticizing us. They're saying we didn't do a good job. There were failures
in America, even the Belgium Prime Minister said look at 9/11, look even more recently at San Bernardino. Look at France. Why are you pointing the
finger at us? It happens everywhere. Do U.S. Officials sort of -- how do they, how are they receptive to those types of responses?
BROWN: Well look, I mean there - and you heard him say, Chris Piehota say look, we're not perfect. Nothing is foolproof. We can't guarantee 100%
success. But what I will say is before 9/11 it was very much the same way in the United States as it is in Europe now. It was fragmented. There
wasn't great coordination between law enforcement and intelligence agencies. And then after 9/11, that was really a wake-up call where we
created the central data bases, terror watch list at the Terrorist Screening Center, that was created in the wake of 9/11 and the agencies in
the United States have much better coordination.
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BROWN: What's happening in Europe is certainly a different kind of wake-up call and right now countries are trying to figure out, OK, how do we better
work together and you know should we have a central database where all of us can go into the same system and put names, input information and share
that information about potential terrorists.
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GORANI: Well, certainly that's a big challenge in Europe. Thank you very much, Pamela Brown, for that reporting and that interview.
Now, in Bangladesh, another liberal activist has been murdered on the streets of a capital. By attackers wielding machetes and a gun, a very well
planned killing.
The young man's classmates are now demanding justice for his murder which is just the latest in a series of brutal attacks on bloggers who preach
tolerance and understanding in the country. Here's Ivan Watson.
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IVAN WATSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT Police in Bangladesh tell CNN a group of attackers ambushed, 26 year old Nazimuddin Samad, on his way
home from evening university classes. They hacked him with machetes and then shot him.
Witnesses heard the attackers shout "Allahu Akbar" as they fled. Authorities say the attack was planned ahead of time. Samad appears to be
the latest in a series of assassinations targeting secularist writers.
Bangladesh is a majority Muslim country with a Hindu religious minority but some writers who describe themselves as free thinkers have challenged
religion's role in society criticizing extremism and militancy.
The country's constitution promises to uphold the principle of secularism but authorities there suggest some murdered critics crossed the line with
their writing. A top police officer also told CNN in February bloggers need to speak up if they want protection.
MAINUL ISLAM, BANGLADESHI POLICE COMMISSIONER: If we do not get any information from anyone, even if (inaudible) if he does not report to the
police, we could -- it is difficult for police to provide protective measures.
WATSON: A friend of Samad says the writer went into hiding last year for several months fearing for his life. But Samad later wrote it's better to
die rather than living by keeping my head down.
Samad is the sixth secularist writer or publisher to have been murdered in Dhaka in 14 months. Others include Niloy Chakraborti, Ahmed Rajib Haider,
Ananta Bijoy, and Avijit Roy, whose widow barely survived the machete attack that killed her husband.
RALID AHMED, WIDOW: I had four stabs, machete stabs on my head.
WATSON: Why do you think these people attacked you?
AHMED: We have got to a point where criticizing Islam is becoming a very big crime or a sin in Bangladesh.
WATSON: Bangladeshi students took to the streets Wednesday for their murdered classmate. We are protesting here because one of our law students
at the university was brutally killed. We want a proper investigation and we want justice for the killing.
Tributes for the victim poured in on social media. One friend calls Nazimuddin Samad a courageous free thinker. Another asks for an end to this
brutality.
Ivan Watson, CNN.
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GORANI: And the Bangladeshi government is now speaking out about the murder. The country's Home Minister says it's doing its best to arrest the
criminals involved in killings of bloggers and publishers. But Assad Uzzaman Khan says so called bloggers don't have the right to use language
that criticizes religion or the religious establishment so perhaps a mixed message there from authorities in Bangladesh off the back of another brutal
killing.
This is "The World Right Now" we'll be right back.
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GORANI: Well, this is something new and exciting. Fans of art, design, fashion, luxury, we have some news for you here at CNN. Because this
Saturday CNN Style is heading for your television screen.
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GORANI: CNN Style is getting its own television show. It's a monthly show gets exclusive access to the biggest names and events in the world of art,
fashion and more. We'll have regular features from CNN Style by the way on this very show every few weeks. You can expect interviews with Tracey Emin,
Rita Ora, Lewis Hamilton, and others. Take a look.
SHEIKHA AL MAYASSA, CHAIR QATAR MUSEUMS: Art is very powerful because it has no boundaries and you don't need to belong to any country or religion
or social class. You know you can -- anyone can celebrate art. And it's so powerful because it brings people from all walks of life together.
For me, I like to see myself as a facilitator and I'm not an expert, I'm not an artist, I didn't study art history, but I like the diversity of it.
I like the collaborative effort between the curators, the artists.
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GORANI: Well, the man fronting this new show is Derek Blasberg host of CNN Style, he is also a fashion writer, editor at large of Harper's Bizarre,
and also a New York Times bestselling author. There you go. Derek, thanks for being with us.
DEREK BLASBERG, HOST CNN STYLE: Thanks for having me. We're excited.
GORANI: Explain to our viewers - yes, so are we and it starts on Saturday. But tell our viewers what are we going to find in this show that they can't
find anywhere else?
BLASBERG: Well, I think what's great about this particular show is that I think style is often a word that we look at and associate with fashion.
What we're doing here is looking at all of the tenants of style.
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BLASBERG: So we have art, we have architecture, we have furniture design, we'll be looking at automotive, so this is more of a well-rounded and very
deep look at everything that sort of incorporates style and we're going to package it all in once a month.
GORANI: Great, and what did you find most exciting? I mean because you're a -- you're a print guy right or have you done T.V. before: Was this your
first foray in some monthly show hosting?
BLASBERG: This is my first stab at my own T.V. - this is my first stab at my own T.V. show but I work at "Vanity Fair" not Harper's Bazaar, so I come
from a traditional media background. And through that I've met a lot of these amazing people including Sheikh al Myaso who's not done an interview
in the past two years.
Tracey Emin who's one of the most respected British artists working today. So I think through the power of CNN we're going to open a lot of doors into
the worlds of art and architecture and this first episode is a really great example of that.
GORANI: What did you find - I mean what surprised you about doing this?
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BLASBERG: I think what was really sort of remarkable is addressing some of the personalities in these worlds. Tracey Emin -- the show that we're
looking at in Hong Kong was sort of born after she married a rock in her garden. So I think in the world of style you meet these amazing
personalities and so we get to flush them out.
GORANI: Yes, and I think also, I mean you say fashion isn't going to be necessarily all you talk about but it's also something that people are
extremely interested in. Tell us a little bit about how you're going to approach fashion in particular?
BLASBERG: So I have worked in the fashion industry for the past 15 years. And in those -- in that decade and a half what I've really noticed is how
the lines of fashion have blurred.
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BLASBERG: We have artists who design prints for clothes. You have designers who moonlight as photographers and fine artists. So I think
what's really great about this show is it's not an isolated look at just fashion. We're looking at a much broader sphere of what style means.
GORANI: All right. Did you -- had you ever seen Elsa Klensch's style show? I think it ended about 15 years ago had you ever -- Did you ever used to
watch that?
BLASBERG: Yes. I mean I grew up in St. Louis, Missouri and Elsa was sort of the - one of the icons in my household.
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BLASBERG: Her show was very specific to fashion. She was backstage at Chanel and talking to Karl Lagerfeld. We're still going to see Karl
Lagerfeld in this show but it's a bigger look at style than Elsa who was so ground breaking in her reporting presented.
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GORANI: Sure, I've interviewed Karl Lagerfeld a few times and I'm sure you have, always a challenge and always interesting. Thanks very much.
BLASBERG: He keeps you on your toes.
GORANI: Derek Blasberg - he sure does. So we'll see you on Saturday, thanks again.
And catch Derek as we were mentioning on our new monthly feature program, CNN Style debuting this Saturday at 1:30 p.m. in London, 2:30 p.m. Central
European time. And remember you'll see regular features right here on "The World Right Now."
I'm sure you've all heard the term cub reporter. This next story though takes that notion to the extreme. Take a look.
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KATE LYSIAK, REPORTER: Whatever the heck it is, it's a complete joke. Horrible.
GORANI: A 9-year-old girl named Kate Lizziack got a tip about a murder in her hometown in Pennsylvania. She then confirmed it with police and went to
the scene to interview neighbors.
LYSIAK: Because of my work, I was able to inform the people that there's a terrible murderer hours before my competition even got to the scene.
GORANI: Her exclusive ended up going viral but not because of the story she broke. It was her age that got people talking. Some were critical that she
exposed herself to a gruesome crime at nine saying she should go back to being a kid. In a Guardian newspaper column young Hilde Kate Lysiak
responded to critics saying to the grown-ups, you do something to stop all the crime and I'll stop reporting on it.
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GORANI: Don't forget you can get all the latest news and interviews on our Facebook page; Facebook.com/halagoranicnn.
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GORANI: Coming up, wizarding world of Harry Potter opens up at Universal Studios Hollywood. We will take you inside.
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GORANI: Well it looks like a pretty ordinary chair but it went for a whopping $394,000 at auction in New York on Wednesday. Here it is. Take a
closer look.
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GORANI: The writing on the chair reads "you may not find me pretty but don't judge on what you see. I wrote Harry Potter while sitting on this
chair." Signed by author J.K. Rowling, she wrote the first two Harry Potter books sitting on that very spot and now it's worth about $400,000.
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GORANI: For anyone still waiting for that acceptance letter to Hogwarts, there's now an easier way to get into the famous school. Universal Studios
is officially opening the doors to a new "Harry Potter" world in Hollywood. And Stephanie Elam is in L.A. and sent us this story.
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STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: After five years of planning and building, Universal Studios Hollywood is debuting the
wizarding world of Harry Potter.
That was fun right?
It's as close as a muggle can get to the movie magic. From the tilted chimneys of Hogsmead to the hooting birds in the alary, the attention to
detail is stunning.
The Harry Potter attractions at Universal Parks in Orlando, Florida and Osaka, Japan, have already boosted revenues for parent company Comcast.
ALAN GILMORE: We want people to know that they are really in Harry Potter's world.
ELAM: Alan Gilmore who worked on the second, third, and fourth "Harry Potter" movies is charged with taking film designs and turning them into
places people can experience at Universal.
GILMORE: I think one of the biggest challenges was deciding what to include. Early on we approached the whole world like a film in its own
right. We created models, storyboards, we designed it like a giant movie set.
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ELAM: Complete with a towering Hogwarts castle where Harry, Ron, and Hermione attend wizarding school and where some of the movie sorcery is on
display.
This ride is called Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey. It's kind of like a 3-d movie along with a roller coaster complete with glasses. I'm
going to go check it out.
In the quaint town of Hogsmead, visitors can become part of the magical world.
GILMORE: You can buy clothes that they wear. You can eat the food that they eat, you can drink the drinks, the Hogshead ale, all those amazing drinks,
pumpkin juice.
ELAM: Like the ever tasty butter beer. Oh my gosh, that's delicious, no wonder they keep drinking it. You can even head to Ollivanders to have a
wand choose you.
And then work some of your own magic in the park.
GILMORE: With your wand you can visit 11 locations in Hogsmead and perform magic and become a wizard.
ELAM: An interactive way to ensure guests and their wallets keep coming back to Universal.
Stephanie Elam, CNN, Hollywood.
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GORANI: Well when it comes to literary discoveries, it doesn't get much bigger than this.
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GORANI: A so called first folio of William Shakespeare's plays discovered in a library at an estate on a Scottish island has been carefully examined
and it is the real thing.
It was published in 1623. It is worth millions of dollars. There are only 234 first folios known to survive. Without them we may never have known
Shakespeare's plays, obviously (inaudible) The Tempest, et cetera, but there you have it. Millions.
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GORANI: This has been "The World Right Now," I'm Hala Gorani, thanks to all of you for watching. I'll see you the same time, same place tomorrow.
"Quest Means Business" is up after the break.
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