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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We're live at CNN London this hour. Thanks for being with us. This is THE
WORLD RIGHT NOW.
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are wasting no time getting back on the campaign trail just one day after they both pulled off some major wins at
home in New York.
Trump is rallying supporters in Indianapolis this hour after crushing the competition, it has to be said, in New York State taking more than 60
percent of the vote.
Hillary Clinton was jubilant after her big win in New York, a state where she previously served as senator. She beat rival Bernie Sanders by a
comfortable margin.
Here's a look at where it stands on the Democratic side, Clinton enjoying a solid lead in the delegate count, 1,932 to 1,224 including superdelegates.
For the Republicans, Donald Trump may just be starting to pull away from the pack. In a decisive way, 847-558 for Cruz. The Republican challenger,
Ted Cruz, is still hoping to make up some ground as the campaigns build toward a slew of primaries next Tuesday. It won't be easy though.
Trump says Cruz's campaign is almost hopeless. Cruz says Trump is scared. Listen.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We are going to be so strong again, we are going to be -- really. I mean, legitimately so great again
and I just can't wait. So we don't have much of a race anymore based on what I'm seeing on television. Senator Cruz is just about mathematically
eliminated.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's calling you a spoiler.
SENATOR TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Listen. Donald right now is terrified. It is the reason Donald won't debate, because he can't defend
his policies. He doesn't have any policies to bring jobs back to America.
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GORANI: Well, Chris Frates is covering the Trump campaign. He joins us now live from Indianapolis this hour at that Trump event. Clearly the mood
at the Trump campaign right now must be pretty positive, Chris?
CHRIS FRATES, CNN INVESTIGATIONS CORRESPONDENT: Yes. They're feeling pretty good coming out of New York. What's so interesting, Hala, is why
they are here in Indiana. As you pointed out, there is a slew of east coast states next week.
Indiana doesn't vote until May 3rd, but the reason they are here is they want to make this state a battleground. Paul Manafort, a senior advisor to
Trump saying yesterday that if Ted Cruz can't win here, he should get out of the race.
Now there is a reason why they are trying to box him in. They are essentially taking a page out of Hillary Clinton's playbook here. Remember
Hillary Clinton making the argument if Bernie Sanders can't win in New York, then it is going to be mathematically impossible for him to catch
her.
Well, this is a similar play. They are trying to put the squeeze on Ted Cruz, and they think they have some demographics in their corner here. The
most folks here have not gone to college.
A lot of manufacturing jobs here. Those tend to be demographics that Donald Trump does very well with, although there is also a very large
Evangelical population here in Indiana. It is not far from the south.
So Ted Cruz is going to put up a fight, and the reason why it is math -- there's 57 delegates at stake here and there is a chance that winner take
all. That's going to be huge for Donald Trump.
If he can win Indiana and take all the five states that are up for grabs next week that's going to put him very close to that 1,237 number, that
magic number to clinch the nomination.
Of course, Ted Cruz trying to stop him as this conservative group called "Club for Growth." Club for Growth saying today they're going to spend $1
million against Donald Trump. They spent money in other states like Utah and Wisconsin, both states that Donald Trump lost.
So this is going to be a battleground state. And if you look at the other things Donald Trump's doing today, he's doing some unusual things for him.
He came in, he's meeting with the Republican governor, Mike Pence, of Indiana. Pence has not endorsed yet. He has his own tough re-election
this year, but he says he is open to meeting with all the candidates and he may endorse.
Donald Trump sitting down with him before this rally to talk with him, presumably to talk maybe about an endorsement. Ted Cruz is also going to
get some time with Mike Pence tomorrow.
[15:05:05]So you know, Donald Trump doing something we've not seen him do a lot of which is sit down with his state's power brokers. That's because
this state is so key, they really want to take it.
Because if they do the math could work for them, they could get to that 1,237. If Ted Cruz can stop Donald Trump here, Hala, it will make it a lot
harder for him to get to that magic number and we are likely to see a contested convention in Cleveland.
GORANI: Right. I found it interesting kind of how he's changed his tone, kind of the words he is using. He was calling Ted Cruz "Lying Ted," "Lying
Ted" over and over again. But then he called him Senator Cruz yesterday. What's behind the sort of change in tone, in rhetoric by Trump here?
FRATES: He's brought in a lot of new advisors. Those new advisors are presidential campaign veterans who are presuming that they're starting to
get him a little bit more on message. Of course, the campaign saying it is a new phase of the campaign so you're going to see a new phase of Donald
Trump.
What you didn't see last night was some of the antics we've seen before. We didn't hear any "Lying Ted Cruz," or Trump steaks or Trump water, the
infomercial that he's had at some of his victory parties before.
But you know, that as was on national TV. It was a victory party and he was trying to look presidential. We are here in Indiana and there is a lot
of Trump supporters here. They love that stuff, Hala.
They love to hear about "Lying Ted" and how he is not telling the truth, and how the system is rigged. We'll see if Donald Trump can help himself
here today by getting back into that groove and going after Ted Cruz a little bit. It will certainly play with the crowd here -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, we'll see how he plays it in Indiana. Thanks very much, Chris Frates.
On the Democratic side, Bernie Sanders is facing quite the uphill battle after a decisive loss to Hillary Clinton. The long-time New York senator
was glowing after her big win. Sanders, not nearly as upbeat. Listen.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Today you proved once again there's no place like home. You know, in this campaign, we've won in every
region of the country, from the north to the south, to the east to the west. But this one's personal.
BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It is absurd that in Brooklyn, New York, where I was born actually, tens of thousands of people, as I
understand it, have been purged from the voting rolls.
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GORANI: All right, we have much more coverage of the presidential race. The Republican National Committee is in the spotlight today because it is
holding meetings on its convention rules. I'll speak to an RNC member coming up this hour. Do stay tuned for that.
Now to big news out of Norway. Mass murderer, Anders Brevik spends his days in a three-cell complex playing video games, watching television and
working out. Pretty nice digs for an extremist who murdered 77 people in a horrifying spree in 2011. But Brevik still sued the government over his
prison conditions and he won. Fred Pleitgen reports.
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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Anders Brevik, one of the most notorious mass murderers in recent European
history, now a winner in court. The verdict saying his human rights were violated by the Norwegian government. That's because he's kept in solitary
confinement and frequently searched.
"We litigated and claimed that his isolation in prison is too heavy in relation to Norwegian government obligation under the Commission of Human
Rights and the Norwegian Constitution," his lawyer said after the verdict was handed down.
Brevik sued the Norwegian government claiming breaches of the European Convention on Human Rights, which Norway is a party to. In its verdict the
court said, quote, "The prohibition of inhuman and degrading treatment represents and fundamental value in democratic society. This applies no
matter what. Also in the treatment of terrorists and killers."
And these are the conditions Brevik is incarcerated under in (inaudible) Prisons, southwest of Oslo. He has three cells to himself including an
exercise area with machines.
This for a man who killed 77 people in a rampage in 2011. Eight died when Brevik set off a bomb outside the government headquarters in Oslo. He then
moved to an island where he gunned down 69 more, most of them international students.
"In general, we are surprised and we disagree on the parts of the verdict against us," the government's lawyer said.
[15:10:07]The government argued that Brevik's conditions are appropriate saying he's still a threat requiring restrictive solitary confinement.
State lawyers say they will appeal the verdict that also requires them to pay Brevik's legal fees of around $41,000.
While there is criticism and surprise about the verdict, one survivor of the island shooting says he understands the court's reasoning.
BJORN INLER, SURVIVOR: I don't think we should give Brevik the power to change how our system works. I think that's kind of what he wants it to
have the power to change our system, to change our values and the way in which we treat people. And by maintaining our values and by treating
Brevik like we treat any other prisoner, we show Brevik --
PLEITGEN: Anders' critic who say he used the human rights trial as a platform to declare his neo-Nazi agenda is facing a maximum sentence of 21
years in prison, but could remain locked up for even longer if he still deemed a threat when the term is up. Fred Pleitgen, CNN, London.
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GORANI: I'm joined now by the attorney who represented Norway in this case, Marius Emberland is with the Office of the Attorney General in Oslo.
Thank you very much, Sir, for joining us.
First of all, why did the state lose this case? It's generated so much outrage that a man who murdered 77 people, most of them children, can win a
case that argues that he is being treated unfairly or inhumanely. What happened?
MARIUS EMBERLAND, ATTORNEY, NORWAY ATTORNEY-GENERAL'S OFFICE: Well, what's happened is that first instance court has decided on the matter. It has
its own opinion about the facts of the case. It had its own opinions about the law relating to the case. There's views that the court has come to is
not something that we agree with.
GORANI: I want to show our viewers some of these pictures that have been circulating online. Many people have seen them. This doesn't look like
hardship conditions to anybody.
A three-cell complex with a bathroom, with a bed, with a television, with a computer. He can play video games. He has access to the computer. He has
access to prison staff. Health care workers. Plays chess.
How is this -- an exercise room as well as we are seeing this? How is it possible that a court in Norway could call this inhumane?
EMBERLAND: Well, partly because the court has decided on the case on the basis of judgments from the European court of human rights and of course we
believe that the court has decided those cases erroneously.
We also have to bear in mind that the court has concentrated on some factors of his imprisonment, typically his segregation from other inmates
and so forth. So it is not the totality of the regime that is at stake, just some elements.
GORANI: Just tell our viewers what those elements are. In this case, his attorney has invoked Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights
that banned inhumane or degrading treatment. He complained of solitary confinement.
He was woken up at night, strip searched sometimes in the presence of female guards and that this is what the judge ruled was not acceptable.
Right? Are you going to appeal, and if so what will your strategy be?
EMBERLAND: Well, I cannot really tell you now what the government will do. We have to discuss this with our clients and we will deliberate on the
matter after we think of the judgment more carefully and weighing all kinds of elements. We will see what happens.
GORANI: When you -- I mean, I know you're giving me your answer as a lawyer. Obviously you are an attorney and you take into account the
judge's rulings and you consider the laws and precedence. But as a Norwegian, what are your thoughts when you heard the judge had ruled
partially in favor of Anders Brevik?
EMBERLAND: Well, I think I have two thoughts in my mind. One is that we disagree on the facts and the law. And that I say also not as lawyer of
the government, also because I strong believe is. The other thing is that think it is good we have a system where independent courts can come with
their corrections, if necessary. And that is what I believe the court believe is a role to be in this case.
GORANI: So some who find Anders Brevik to be a reprehensible murderous psychopath support this ruling because their argument is we have laws.
[15:15:08]and we have human rights standards, and those things should apply to someone who's killed one person or someone who's killed 77 people in the
most brutal way. Does part of you agree with that assessment?
EMBERLAND: As a human rights lawyer, I always agree that human rights are to be applied universally and that they also apply to people such as Mr.
Brevik. What we do not agree with in this case is that the threshold for violation has been set very low by the court and that is something that we
strongly disagree with.
GORANI: All right, well, Marius Emberland, we'll be following this case. I know you will appeal and we'll see what perhaps another chapter in this
legal saga will yield. Thank you very much for joining us from Oslo. Marius Emberland who argued the government's case.
Now it could be one of the deadliest tragedies in the Mediterranean in months. That story is just ahead.
And stepping off the plane and into a delicate diplomatic situation. President Obama arrives in Saudi Arabia and he didn't get the warmest
reception. We'll be right back.
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GORANI: Pure panic set in as hundreds of migrants desperately fought the waves and attempted to stay alive. Survivors of a disaster at sea are
recounting the terrifying moments that an overcrowded ship sank killing as many as 500 people.
The U.N.'s refugee agency says it all happened last week soon after boats left to Libya heading for Europe. Dozens of survivors were rescued and
taken to Greece.
Let's get details from our senior international correspondent, Ben Wedeman. He's been following developments from Rome. So, tell us more about what we
know about this particular incident with -- it appears as though it is a very high death toll.
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. As you said, as many as 500 people according to the U.N. agency. What we understand is
that either one boat or a series of small vessels sometime last week left Eastern Libya containing between 100 and 200 mostly African migrants and
refugees who were headed from Libya to Italy.
Somewhere in the open sea, they rendezvoused with a larger vessel or ship where the human traffickers ordered these people to board the larger ship,
which is already crammed with people.
And in the process of this transfer of people from the smaller vessel or vessels to the ship, the larger ship capsized and sank quite dramatically,
according to some of the 41 survivors.
[15:20:08]Some of whom have been interviewed by the U.N. agency, the International Organization for Migration. According to one of those
eyewitnesses, this man saw the ship go down very quickly.
He saw his wife, 2-month-old baby and brother-in-law drown before him. Now those 41 survivors essentially drifted at sea for three days without any
food or water before they were picked up by emergent vessel flying the Filipino flag.
They were taken to Greece where they were initially housed in a stadium. Now we understand they've been transported by bus to Athens.
Now this underscores the fact that now that Europe, the E.U. and Turkey have this agreement on migrants and refugees, that there is renewed
pressure on the Libyan/Italian route, which is of course much more dangerous in terms of just what lies between -- it's open sea, sometimes
very rough between Libya and Italy -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, thank you, Ben Wedeman in Rome. We appreciate it. By the way, I want to remind our viewers that the numbers of migrants arriving
in Italy across the Mediterranean from Libya in the past year has gone up.
During the winter when the journey is even more treacherous the numbers dropped off quite naturally. But you can see them beginning to creep up
again as we enter the spring.
As some of you may remember, we were in Greece on Lesbos Island whereas the result of a Turkey/E.U. deal, the number of migrants making the crossing
there has dropped off. But at the same exact time we are seeing the number of desperate people on the North African coast on their way to Italy
actually increase.
Now for decades, the United States and Saudi Arabia have enjoyed what you might call a special strategic alliance, but as President Obama touches
down in the kingdom that relationship is clearly on rocky ground.
He arrived in the country where he was greeted by the governor of Riyadh. Then he went straight to the palace for a meeting with King Salman.
Despite the apparent cordial nature of the photo-op, there are brewing tensions.
Let's speak to Athena Jones who's traveling with the president and joins me from Riyadh. How unusual is it for a U.S. president to travel to a foreign
capital and not have his counterpart greet him at the airport? Was that surprising?
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Not particularly surprising. If you talk to the White House, they say, look, this is not a snub at all. For one
thing, there was a relatively high level official there at the airport to greet the president.
Foreign affairs minister was there and they also point out that King Salman was waiting at the palace to have this meeting that's why he wasn't there.
But the point is King Salman did greet with the leaders of the Gulf countries who came here for this summit tomorrow. But another U.S.
official says this is about protocol.
The president does not usually go to the airport to Andrews Air Force base, I should say, to greet leaders who are coming to visit America. He did
greet the pope, but as a matter of protocol he doesn't go along and greet everyone.
They say this is a protocol that the king is following. The president wouldn't go to the airport to greet the king. So the White House says
nothing to see here. But a lot of people think it means more simply because of the tensions we know are brewing between the U.S. and Saudi
Arabia in this relationship -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, I was going to say, the White House saying that, you have to compare it also to perhaps the previous presidency of George W.
Bush, greeting the king with kisses on the tarmac, an entirely different atmosphere here.
You talk about the tension here, what could be achieved here in this visit? Because Saudi Arabia is very frustrated I think, some might say even angry
at the Iran deal, at what's going on in Syria. They don't think the U.S. has supported their position there, et cetera, et cetera. What could be
achieved here?
JONES: Well, what they hope to achieve is an agreement to work together -- to work better together, I should say, to combat ISIS. Big issues on the
agenda have to do with regional stability and the fight against terror groups like ISIS and al Qaeda.
But of course when you talk about both of those issues, you also have to talk about Iran, especially when it comes to Saudi Arabia. Iran is Saudi
Arabia's chief ally in the region, and this country -- the kingdom has been concerned about what they see as growing influence by Iran in this region.
You talk about that nuclear deal. They worry that the deal means that the U.S. is tilting more towards Iran and maybe away from Saudi Arabia. We
know that Iran of course is involved in Syria backing President Assad, backing the Houthi rebels in the civil war in Yemen, which Saudi Arabia is
also heavily involved.
And also the Shiite-backed government in Iraq has Iran influences, according to Saudi Arabia or in their view. So these are some of the
tensions at the outset going into this meeting that create the backdrop for all of these discussions.
[15:25:07]But the bottom line is, both Saudi Arabia and the U.S. and these other Gulf countries that the president will meet with tomorrow all of them
want to defeat ISIS.
In the situation with Saudi Arabia, the issue is sometimes it seems as though they're more concerned about Iran than they are about ISIS. So
that's one of the big challenges in this relationship which as you say, has long been an important economic and strategic one -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, some might argue that certainly is their chief concern in the region. Thanks very much, Athena Jones, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
following the president's visit.
Next stop on President Obama's trip is the United Kingdom. The big talking point is the referendum on Britain's membership in the European Union.
Eight former U.S. Treasury secretaries have weighed in on that debate writing in the "Times" newspaper.
They said a decision to quit the E.U. would result in a, quote, "extended period of uncertainty for the country," unquote. Phil Black has the latest
from Downing Street.
PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A smaller, slower growing British economy for years to come. That's the risk of Britain withdrawing from the
European Union according to eight former U.S. Treasury secretaries.
The officials who guided American economic policy for decades serving both Democratic and Republican administrations have spoken in one voice arguing
in an open letter that Brexit represents a risky bet for Britain's future.
They say it is likely London will lose its status as a preeminent financial centers because it will no longer be seen as a gateway to Europe, and they
argue that Britain will also suffer significant loss of trade.
Because the process of renegotiating individual bilateral free trade agreements they say in their experience is difficult, uncertain and prone
to accidents.
British Prime Minister, David Cameron, has embraced this argument, probably because it very much mirrors the case he's been making for Britain staying
with the E.U.
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DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: When it comes to the United States, it is worth looking at what so many treasury secretaries have said going
back over Republican or Democrat administrations. It may not be the determining fact for many people, indeed for any people, but listening to
what our friends say in the world is not a bad idea.
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BLACK: Those campaigning for Britain to leave the European Union say American officials shouldn't get involved because it is first and foremost
an issue for British voters. But they also say it is hypocritical, that Americans would never consider giving up sovereignty in the way that
Britain has to the European Union.
They say that's also why the U.S. President Barack Obama shouldn't get involved with this debate when he visits the United Kingdom in the coming
days. Phil Black, CNN, London.
GORANI: A lot more to come. A battle over the rules with Donald Trump repeatedly accusing his own party of conspiring against him. Republican
elites are meeting for the final time ahead of what could be a contested convention. What are they discussing, what will they decide?
And CNN meets the staff of one Afghan TV station setting firm in the face of the Taliban's terror. That's next.
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HALA GORANI, HOST: A look at our top stories. Huge wins in New York for the Democratic and Republican front-runners for U.S. President.
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GORANI: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are making the case they are virtually unstoppable at this stage after trouncing their rivals in
Tuesday's primary. All candidates are now focusing on another big Tuesday. Five states hold contests next week.
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GORANI: Also among the top stories we've been following, Norwegian mass murder Anders Breivik has won part of his lawsuit against the government
over prison conditions.
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GORANI: An Oslo court found that his treatment in prison violated an article of the European Convention on Human Rights. Breivik, you'll
remember, murdered 77 people in a shooting rampage and bombing attack in 2011.
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GORANI: Three public workers have been charged in connection with a water crisis in Flint, Michigan.
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GORANI: They face charges ranging from tampering with evidence to misleading officials. Michigan's government calls the accusations deeply
troubling and extremely serious. Some residents believe he, the governor should also be charged.
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GORANI: Well, it is impossible to catch me now. That is the message from Donald Trump after a crushing win in New York that he clearly views as a
game changer. Trump back on the campaign trail today.
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GORANI: He took to the podium moments ago to urge Republicans to unite behind him. Well, he is trying at least to sound more conciliatory, but I'm
being told now that there are protesters trying to interrupt Trump's address. Let's listen in for a moment.
DONALD TRUMP, U.S. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, that's right. You know, Bernie's gone. You know that, don't you? Bernie's gone. I love
running against crooked Hillary! I love that! I mean it's so much better. Better. Bernie wouldn't be as much fun.
All right. So I just want to thank you. But last night was amazing. We had an evening that was -- and you never know with the polls. Right? You know,
I'm getting these polls. He's going to get 52%. He's going to get 54%. Then the press is saying, oh, if he doesn't get 54% that would make it into a
loss. And you know who gets 54%? Very few, especially when you have two other candidates, by the way, that are in favor of transpacific partnership
which is a disaster.
GORANI: Donald Trump in Indianapolis, Indiana. Well just a few minutes ago we were discussing how Donald Trump was perhaps trying to sound more
conciliatory, more presidential. He didn't call senator Ted Cruz "lyin' Ted" in his victory speech. He called him Senator Cruz. But he just
referred to Hillary Clinton as "crooked Hillary" after having been interrupted by some protesters at his event. This graphic gives you an idea
of the math going forward. Cruz as well as John Kasich are facing near- impossible odds to win enough delegates to clinch the Republican nomination. Kasich says that's not a problem.
JOHN KASICH, U.S. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Nobody's going to get enough delegates. I mean the Trump organization is complaining all the time
about this and that. And you know why? Because they know they're not going to get enough votes to win it on the first ballot. And so we're going to be
- we're going to be deadlocked. And then what delegates are going to do is they are going to consider, I think, fundamentally two things. Now this one
is crazy. Who could win in the fall?
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GORANI: John Kasich, who could win in the fall? That has been his message. "I am the general election guy." "I'm the one who has a chance to beat the
Democratic nominee." If it all comes down to a contested convention, this year's convention rules will be more important than ever.
Randy Evans is one of the Republicans who will help decide those rules. He's attending a Republican national committee meeting in Florida this week
and he joins us now live. Thank you, Randy Evans, for being with us.
RANDY EVANS, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE MEMBER: Thank you.
GORANI: First of all, to explain it to our international viewers, the Republican nominee needs to get 1,237, to that magic number of delegates,
pledged for him or her.
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GORANI: If Donald trump does not get 1,237, what happens?
EVANS: Well, I mean if he doesn't get 1,237 on the first ballot, then what will happen is the chairman of the convention will simply call the roll
again to see if he or another candidate can get 1,237 on the second ballot.
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EVANS: And you continue that process until someone does in fact get to 1,237. Now based on last night's results, based on what we are seeing out
of the northeast, given what happens in Indiana, I think you are starting to see Donald Trump move toward the finish line of the nomination and start
taking aim on the general election. That's why we're seeing a different kind of tone. That's why we are seeing him start to refer to Senator Cruz
as Senator Cruz. That's because he can smell the finish line to the nomination.
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GORANI: Well, he actually just called him "lyin' Ted" again and called Hillary Clinton "crooked Hillary" so maybe he is not as reformed as some
people think he is right now.
Let's talk a little bit about what Republican voters favor. There was a CNN poll of Republican voters and independents who identify as Republicans, who
should be nominated in the second round of voting. And 60% said the candidate with the most popular vote.
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GORANI: So that would be Donald Trump and not perhaps what the Republican elites would like to see. Would you agree with that?
EVANS: I would totally agree with you. I think the Republican establishment and insiders are scared to death of a Donald Trump presidency. I think
candidly they're scared to death of a Senator Ted Cruz candidacy and the net effect is that there is a lot of nervousness and anxiousness I think
here at the RNC meetings. But in the end, we're very close to now moving toward preparing for our convention and that's what we'll do over the next
few days.
On Thursday, as you know, we will take up the rules committee meeting. And at that meeting we will make recommendations for the rules that will govern
the convention.
GORANI: All right, and will there be any changes? How does it work? Are proposals discussed at these meetings such as the one in Hollywood,
Florida, and then voted on at the convention? How will it work going forward?
EVANS: I don't anticipate that there will be any rules changes because I think most people agree first that you don't change the rules in the middle
of the game. And second, any change we make would be viewed cynically by the other candidates. Everybody would assume, well, if you change that
semi-colon to a comma, you must be trying to help one candidate or the other candidate, even though it may be just a punctuation error. And then I
think finally, we're starting to see that generally the rules of the process have worked for 150 years and there's not a lot of reason to change
them now.
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GORANI: All right. And were there any -- in the meetings you've been having in Florida, any voices in support of perhaps altering the rules in order to
perhaps block Donald Trump? Have you heard any discussions of that nature?
EVANS: Well, it depends on what motive you attribute to a rules change.
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EVANS: One of the rules changes that we will take up is to whether to change the rules that govern the floor of the convention from the rules
that govern the U.S. House to what's called Roberts Rules of Order which is a way of managing meetings. There are many that believe that change is
designed to favor candidates other than Trump with the idea that you could create a stalemate convention. That meaning that you could get through the
entire four days and not end up with a nominee in which case the convention would have recess because we run out of time with the convention hall and
our hotel rooms and reconvene but with all the delegates unbound and with nominations reopened. And I think there's some concern that that in fact is
what is in play on that particular rules change.
GORANI: Wow. Well, if that happens, then even more drama than we anticipate will be unfolding there within the Republican Party and in this nomination
process. We appreciate your time, Randy Evans, of the Republican National Committee
EVANS: Thank you.
GORANI: Rules Committee Member in Florida. Thank you.
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Now to this story; the Afghan President is vowing to avenge every drop of blood from a suicide bombing in Kabul.
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GORANI: Officials have revised the death toll now in the attack to a shocking 64. Double the number that was previously reported. Nearly 350
others were wounded in Tuesday's explosion. It was the deadliest Taliban attack to hit Kabul in years.
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GORANI: And the journalists who report on attacks like the Kabul bombing face the constant threat of reprisal from the Taliban. The militant group
now openly targets members of the media. But that's not stopping an Afghan television station which lost seven employees in a suicide bombing.
CNN's Nick Paton Walsh spoke to the staff at TOLO T.V. about why they are still pushing ahead despite the threats.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They say, tell the news, don't become it. But TOLO News has had no choice because the
Taliban want them dead.
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WALSH: Their morning meeting checks in with some of the toughest beats on earth, like Kunduz, a city the Taliban overran briefly and a place where
asking them for comment gets their reporter there this --
WALI ARYAN, REPORTER TOLO NEWS: If I have a message from Taliban they wrote that Taliban's soldiers have to kill me and cut my head.
WALSH: About two months ago the threat became real. A suicide bomber tore through this company minibus of TOLO workers being ferried home. Seven
died, another six were injured. And this is where they were coming home from, you might call it the front line of the culture war with the Taliban.
No burkas or lashes for lust here. It's Afghan star, their version of "American Idol," that TOLO T.V. also makes. Yet here fun and death, they
have an ugly life side by side.
This is what weighs on the minds of a judge here who says security has never been worse in Kabul.
ARYANA SAYEED, JUDGE "AFGHAN IDOL:" I don't 100% safe. There is something in the back of my mind. But you have no choice. We have to carry
on with the show.
WALSH: Doing her hair is Sayeed who missed that fatal bus trip by minutes. "That day after recording, he says, I had the judge's valuables on me so I
had to wait and give them back to everyone. And so I was late for the bus."
Despite the tragedy backstage, this is still a moment of (inaudible) of hope and resilience with the Afghan people. So many of them desperate to
know that scenes like this will continue despite the trouble in the years ahead.
LOTFULLAH NAJAFIZADA, DIRECTOR, TOLO NEWS: It's a clash of modernity and fundamentalism. It is a very, very serious battle of ideas. I think that
the Taliban have come to a point where they see a new Afghanistan and they have to confront it. One of my journalists was telling me that when he was
leaving home right after the attack, a week or two afterwards, his wife was letting him touch the holy Quran and you know wishing him a good day in
tearful eyes.
WALSH: Left alone in the wake of the west's promises of a new life, yet still trying to shine. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Kabul.
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GORANI: This is "The World Right Now."
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GORANI: Google could be set for a massive $7 billion fine. We'll tell you why in a few minutes.
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GORANI: It is a positive day on Wall Street, above 18,000 still at 18,108, up about a third of a percent. And here's a look at the NASDAQ and S&P.
Also higher. And a look at Europe. Also in the green.
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GORANI: Google is facing a big showdown with the European Union. The commission says the company is abusing its dominant position in smartphone
software. It says android phones unfairly favor Google services. The E.U. could fine Google up to 10% of its annual global sales and that translates
into a $7 billion fine, with a "b." Samuel Burke joins me now live from New York. So what does this mean, I mean in layman's terms, if I use my phone
and I go to Google to make a search, what is the E.U. alleging that Google is doing here?
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Well, I believe that you're an Apple and iPhone user. So really this is more about the android phones. And
it's -- the heart of this matter are the apps, those are the services, the apps.
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BURKE: So let me just put up an android screen and let me show what it looks like when somebody first fires up an Android phone for the first
time. Because what the E.U. Commission is saying that basically because Google requires any type of phone carrier to make sure that Google apps are
on there and that they are not deletable and they are at least one swipe away from the home screen. And look at all those apps there, all Google
apps. Google search. G-mail. Google maps. You-Tube, Google Drive, Google Music, Google movies. Google hangout. Google photos. Google translate. You
get the picture.
So they're saying because they require their own apps to be on there, that they have an unfair advantage over maybe a smaller player in the European
market who might want to get their maps on there. But if it sounds familiar Hala, you probably are saying, well, on Apple, an iPhone, I have a lot of
apps that are preloaded from Apple as well. Apple music, apple maps. But in Europe, android has 80% of the market and hence why the European Commission
has their eyes on Google.
GORANI: So what is Google saying? How is it replying to all this?
BURKE: Google rejects all of these claims. The point that they make is they have the Google play app store, similar to the app store that you have on
your iPhone. They say anybody can go on and download any app they want if they don't like our apps, they can go on and download anybody else's apps.
They also make the point that consumers over and over again choose their apps over other apps. And there is some truth to that. You see that in
statistics that many people prefer Google apps.
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BURKE: Many times they choose Google maps over Apple maps on other phones. So it has a lot of similarity to the Microsoft browser case back in the
'90s.
GORANI: So what's the timeline on this? Obviously Google is fighting back. Could this turn into something? Right, I can't imagine they'd --
BURKE: Obviously. They don't want to pay that $7 billion fine.
GORANI: Ah forget it, yes I know, right. But what happens next legally?
BURKE: Look, what's probably going to happen here is there is going to be a six-month period where Google is going to reply and they could make some
changes. That's what Microsoft had to do over time. They had to make a committee and use other people's browsers and make them available. So if
they want that fine to go down, $7 billion is the maximum fine. Most people I've talked to don't think they're going to get the maximum fine but they
might have to make real changes. And what Europe really wants is for not just smaller and medium tech companies, also bigger tech companies have
complained about this like Microsoft and other big tech companies out there saying it is so hard for us to compete when we just don't get that space on
the home screen.
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BURKE: So you might see some changes coming to your Android phones and maybe some more options if Google starts to negotiate with the European
Commission.
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GORANI: OK. Samuel Burke will follow that case. Thanks very much. Coming up, Queen Elizabeth turns 90 tomorrow.
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GORANI: The occasion celebrated with a nod to the future though. We'll be right back.
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GORANI: I'm sure many of you because so many of you are world travelers have battled the crowds inside the Louvre. And if you have, you'll know it
can be pretty painful. But we're going to give you exclusive access to the world's most famous museum on a very private tour, it's part of a new
series from our friends at CNN Style. Today we join film director, French film director, Mattieu Kassovitz for a private rendezvous with the Mona
Lisa.
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MATTIEU KASSOVITZ, FRENCH FILM DIRECTOR: The Louvre is a one of a kind museum. It is one of a kind architecture in the world. It's the heart of
Paris. It is beautiful everywhere you look. So you cannot really appreciate it if you try to do everything at once. You have to spend hours in front of
one painting to really let your emotion go.
You will see something that you can really relate to, and it has got nothing do with your story, with your personal story. It is deeper than
that. And that's what art is all about. Being able to visit the Louvre by yourself, it's one of a kind experience. To be able to enjoy any of these
paintings by yourself at your own pace, at your own rhythm, there's nothing in between you and the art and it's just -- becomes personal.
Paris is a city of lights. The city has been through a lot of trauma, but it's been like that for years. And actually what you see in this museum is
most of this trauma. It is part of what makes a city, what makes a culture. You cannot have a culture without drama. There is so many amazing paintings
all around you that you wonder, why this one? She really became famous after she was stolen from this museum. So her stardom is not just because
of the quality of the paintings, but also the history behind it and the myth that surrounds it. It's different. It has a very strong power and
feeling to it.
To take a step back from your life and look at what other people did is a moment for reflection.
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GORANI: That was Mathieu Kassovitz. Now the British royal family is gearing up for the Queen's 90th birthday. To commemorate the occasion, The "Royal
Mail" has commissioned a new photo showing the current and future heirs to the throne.
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GORANI: The image will be used for stamps. The Duke of Cambridge spoke to British television about the future of the family, here's Nick Glass.
NICK GLASS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: In the lifetime of occasion, Queen Elizabeth's 90th birthday celebration, began with another first, an
official photographs, four generations of royals, three future kings posing at Buckingham Palace. It will feature on special stamps issued to mark the
Queen's life. It's a milestone for two year old Prince George, who makes his stamp debut. His first of many to come pictured standing on a stack of
blocks for a boost. Her grandson, the Duke of Cambridge, paid tribute in an interview with the BBC.
PRINCE WILLIAM, DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE: The Queen's duty and her service, her tolerance, her commitment to others, I think that's all been incredibly
important to me and that's been a real sort of guiding example of just what's sort of a good monarch can be.
GLASS: Prince William answered criticism of his commitment to royal duties, he's been called work shy William by some U.K. media. He says he is willing
to take on more responsibility when the time comes.
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PRINCE WILLIAM: I take duty very seriously. I take my responsibilities very seriously. But it's about finding your own way at the right time. And if
you're not careful, duty can sort of weigh you down an awful lot at a very early age. I think you've got to develop into the duty role.
GLASS: In the first of a series events, the Queen was the guest of honor at a birthday party thrown by "The Royal Mail" which itself is marking its
500th anniversary. Later the Queen was greeted by crowds of well-wishers in Windsor where the royal couple have their main residence. With two full
days of events, the Queen is proving she can usher in her next decade with her usual vigor after 90 years in the public eye. The birthday celebrations
will culminate in June with a street party for thousands outside Buckingham Palace. Nick Glass for CNN in London.
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GORANI: Well, that's a feel-good story. But there is a bit of controversy involving the U.K. India says it's doing all it can to retrieve a rare
diamond from Britain.
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GORANI: "The Mountain of Light" is what it's known as. It's the subject of a decades-long controversy. Most recently India's Solicitor General
reportedly said the stone was never stolen but was gifted to the U.K. The Indian government quickly rejected that claim. According to the U.K. Royal
Palace, the diamond arrived in Britain in the late 19th century. It now sits on display in the Tower of London.
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GORANI: Well, I'm Hala Gorani, thanks very much for being with us this hour. Appreciate it. I'll see you here same time, same place, tomorrow.
"Quest Means Business" is coming up next on CNN. Don't go away.
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