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[15:00:17] HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We are live at CNN London. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

The 96 Liverpool football fans crushed to death at Hillsborough Stadium, a disaster in 1989, still very traumatic in this country and remains

Britain's worst sporting tragedy.

There was a very long battle for truth, and it was only covered up by lies until now. Today, a jury found that the police and not the fans at all

were at fault. Here's Phil Black.

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PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This was the day that hope finally gave way to justice. For families, friends of the 96 who died,

plus many, many more, the result they had fought for, for more than a quarter of a century.

Liverpool football fans exonerated. Instead, an inquest jury finding the victims unlawfully killed. Brenda, Debbie, and Diane lost their brother,

Brian.

BRENDA MATTHEWS, LOST BROTHER BRIAN: I just felt elated, like a weight had been lifted off our shoulders, after 27 long years. Just trying to get

justice, for our brother, brain.

DIANNE MATTHEWS, LOST BROTHER BRIAN: Today has been a victory and I think, you know, we can go home and maybe have a good night's sleep after 27

years.

BLACK: Margaret Aspinall lost her 18-year-old son, James.

MARGARET ASPINALL, LOST SON JAMES: Idon't mind truth, and I don't mind justice, and I don't mind the words, but give me the truth on my son's

death certificate. And people said, you've had the truth. A lot of people will say, then, you've had the truth. No, we knew we never had the truth

and we've proved now, I can get my son's death certificate with the right verdict.

BLACK: The man in charge of the policing operation for the match, Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield of South Yorkshire Police was found

responsible for manslaughter by gross negligence. He could now face criminal proceedings.

He admitted to the inquest he had lied when he blamed Liverpool fans for causing the crash. The man in charge of South Yorkshire Police today

admitted his predecessors had got it catastrophically wrong.

DAVID CROMPSON, SOUTH YORKSHIRE POLICE: The force failed the victims and failed their families. Today, as I have said before, I want to apologize

unreservedly to the families and those affected.

BLACK: British Prime Minister David Cameron in a tweet called it a landmark day, which had brought long overdue justice. England football

captain, Wayne Rooney, whose hometown is Liverpool, tweeted, "At last justice for the 96 and their families. Well done to all who never gave

up."

In Liverpool itself, a candle for each of the 96 beneath banners bearing their names. And slowly, the two words people here had been waiting for,

truth and justice.

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GORANI: Well, Phil Black joins me now from Liverpool and "World Sports'" Don Riddell is at the CNN Center in Atlanta. So Phil, let me start by

asking you what's next? Could we see some criminal cases emerge from all of this?

BLACK: Hala, there are two ongoing criminal investigations here, separate investigations. One led by the police, "Operation Resolve" is looking at

the event leading up to and during the disaster itself.

A second is being run by the Independent Police Complaints Commission. It's looking at the aftermath, or essentially, the alleged attempt by

police to cover-up and hide their failings on that day.

Both investigations say that they should be finished around the end of this year, at which point it becomes the job of the Crown Prosecution Service to

then determine if there is the evidence, if there is the public interest in bringing people before the courts.

[15:05:05]GORANI: All right, Phil Black, thanks very much. Let's get to Don Riddell at CNN Center. And I want you to explain to our international

viewers, for whom Hillsborough is not necessarily a household word, but it truly is in the U.K. Explain how traumatic it's been for this country to

have to deal with its aftermath.

DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: Well, it's interesting you phrased the question that way, Hala, but you're absolutely right to do so. This

tragedy goes way beyond the 96 individuals who lost their lives and all the people who were traumatized as a result of what happened that day and those

people range into the hundreds, incidentally.

But, yes, hugely significant moment for the country of Britain, because for so long, the suspicion has been that the police were responsible for what

happened on that day, and the fact that the judicial process never found them responsible until 27 years later is a real problem in a democracy.

How on earth do you have any faith in the police service, when many, many people knew that this had happened? And so that, I think, is a key

question that many people are going to be finally coming to terms with today.

But so many things have changed, as a result of Hillsborough. Football, for example, in England is completely different. It's unrecognizable and

that is largely as a result of what happened on that day. Have a look at this.

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RIDDELL (voice-over): The premiere league is promoted as the best football league in the world. Every week, its games are broadcast all over the

globe, taking viewers inside England's state of the art stadiums.

But 27 years ago, it was a very different story. Stadiums were decrepit. Many fans stood. The scourge of hooligans meant that rival supporters were

kept apart by fencing. They were penned in on all sides.

PHIL SCRATON, AUTHOR, "HILLSBOROUGH, THE TRUTH": The conditions of the stadium, we took them for granted. We would cheer when people were handed

down, who had fainted and they were handed down to the front and passed over to the ambulance people. We cheered, because it was just part of the

way it was.

RIDDELL: But in 1989, one game changed everything. It was April the 15th, the semi-final of the FA Cup between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest. More

than 50,000 fans of both teams had traveled to a neutral venue in Sheffield, Hillsborough Stadium.

Usually fans accessed the stadium one at a time, but a crush outside prompted the local police in charge of crowd safety to open a large exit

gate. In that instant, some 2,000 fans streamed down a tunnel into a section behind the goal, an enclosed section that was already too full.

And then, as the game kicked off, in full view of the stadium and the live television cameras, hundreds of people were crushed.

WENDY WHILE, HILLSBOROUGH SURVIVOR: I felt it was like you imagine how to be where people are dying, people are dead. Other people don't know what

to do.

RIDDELL: The game was stopped after just 6 minutes. Back in the dressing room, Liverpool's manager tried to counsel his players.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All of a sudden a fan came in, with tears in his eyes, shouting, there's ten people dead. What do you mean? He says, it's like a

war zone over there.

RIDDELL: Hundreds of people had been injured, and for 96 Liverpool fans, those injuries proved fatal.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you can see them pressed up against the fence, for them to get the air sucked out of them like that must be the most horrific

way to go.

RIDDELL: It was an unspeakable nightmare, and one that would only get worse. As the disaster was still unfolding, police pinned the blame on the

fans, saying they had arrived late, drunk, and without tickets.

SCRATON: People initially were stunned that the truth could be so quickly fabricated. And within days, they were being held responsible for the

deaths of their loved ones or their friends. So it hit people at their most traumatized, and I think that it united the city and the region

immediately around a search for what they considered to be the real truth.

RIDDELL: Professor Phil Scraton himself was a Liverpool fan, and he worked doggedly to uncover the real truth. What he found was a shocking cover-up

at official levels.

SCRATON: What I'm illustrating in these two statements is where they overlap, word for word.

RIDDELL: But his dedicated research and the fan's tireless campaigning took decades to force the British establishment to change the narrative.

Finally, the longest running inquest in British legal history determined the real story.

[15:10:01]The whole world now knows what the victims' families and survivors have known all along. It was never their fault.

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RIDDELL: There are remarkable scenes on the courthouse steps in Warrington earlier this Tuesday. A triumphant day for these campaigners, who have

been fighting so long to finally get to the bottom of what actually happened on April the 15th, 1989.

I would resist the urge to call it a joyous day. Some of the families, Hala, have described how their emotions are very confused today, because of

course at the heart of all of this remains the tragedy from 27 years ago.

These people have been trying to grieve in public all of this time, but because of the very public nature of the disaster and the campaign since,

it's been very hard to grieve properly. So a very difficult day for them, even though they've got the verdict they wanted.

GORANI: Hopefully some sort of closure for them. Don, thanks very much. We'll have more on this tomorrow. The CNN documentary, "Hillsborough:

They'll Never Walk Alone" debuts in our slot tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. Central European Time on CNN.

Well, back to U.S. politics and they are hoping for a clean sweep and may very well get it. But even if Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton win big in

today's Super Tuesday contests, it's all but certain that the race will go on.

We're waiting for the polls to close in five northeastern states holding primaries right now. In a sign of Clinton's confidence, she's not even in

one of those five states.

She's already moved on, campaigning in Indiana, a state that votes next week. The Democratic presidential frontrunner wants to shake Bernie

Sanders off once and for all, but he says he is not going anywhere.

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BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, it's a narrow, it's a narrow path, but we do have a path. And the idea that we should not

contest in California or a larger state, let the people of California determine what the agenda of the Democratic Party is and who the candidate

for president should be is pretty crazy. So we're in this to the end.

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GORANI: Bernie Sanders there. I'll be speaking with one of his supporters a little bit later in the program.

Now, the Republican candidates are laying low as they wait for the polls to close in just a few hours. Let's get a check on the voting now. Brian

Todd is at a polling station in Baltimore, Maryland right now. It looks pretty quiet behind you, Brian.

BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hala, it's a little bit quiet because we're in the pre-rush hour lull period here in Baltimore and North Baltimore.

This is the Mt. Washington Lower School just north of Baltimore City.

Again, we had a heavy turnout here earlier today. Lines out the door. But, again, we're not quite at the rush hour yet, so a little bit of a lull

here. But it's been steady.

And what one of the big stories here is, earlier voter turnout. They had early voting opportunities between April 14th and April 21st here in

Maryland. And they had a record turnout.

Hundreds of thousands of people on both sides turned out to vote in early voting. So very, very galvanized voting public here in Maryland. You

mentioned Hillary Clinton wanting to shake off Bernie Sanders, and you mentioned she probably won't do it after today.

But she can certainly put real distance between herself and Sanders. She is expected to do very well in these five northeastern states especially

here in Maryland.

Her strongholds are here in Baltimore and in two counties bordering Washington, D.C., Montgomery County and Prince George's County. Real

strongholds for Hillary Clinton, heavily populated areas.

She was projected to do very well, at least in our sample polling of people leaving the polls here. She is doing very well. Probably two-thirds of

the voters we sampled said they were supporting Hillary Clinton today, Hala.

So she is, she is, at least so far here in Maryland, in the Baltimore area, having a very strong showing.

GORANI: And for the Republicans, of course, we were reporting yesterday about the Cruz/Kasich deal to try to block Trump. What is the expectation

for Trump in the five states voting today?

TODD: Well, Trump is expected to do very well. He, again, is ahead in the polls in most if not all of these five northeastern and Mid-Atlantic

States. This is his stronghold here in Maryland, especially in Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

He's got a strong base of Republican support. Now, we have to say, Maryland is a very, very Democratic state. In almost 80 voters we sampled

leaving here, the vast majority of them are Democrats.

Trump only had a handful of votes, but among republicans, he is expected to do very well. What's interesting here in Maryland, Hala, is that the

sitting governor of Maryland, a Republican named Larry Hogan, who even in a very heavily Democratic state is a good enough political operative to get

himself elected as a Republican.

He did that two years ago. He says he is not supporting Donald Trump. Larry Hogan had endorsed Chris Christie, and he is not yet ready to endorse

Ted Cruz or John Kasich.

But what he has done is come out and said, he does not support Donald Trump, does not want Donald Trump to be the nominee.

[15:15:01]So you've got the sitting governor of Maryland here, a Republican, coming out against Donald Trump. But will that make a huge

difference? Maybe not. Donald Trump has been ahead in most polls here.

GORANI: Right. Thank you very much, Brian Todd, in Baltimore, Maryland, at a polling station. Super Tuesday number four today. We'll have special

coverage a little bit later as well.

Still to come, this man's brutal murder in Bangladesh is just the latest in a wave of attacks by extremists. CNN speaks exclusively to activists who

now live in exile.

And Apple investors are not used to hearing bad news, but it appears they might get some today when the company reports results. That's next.

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GORANI: Well, let's talk about Bangladesh now. In an exclusive report coming up that stretches from the capital of Dhaka all the way to Germany.

An al Qaeda affiliate is saying that it has responsible for two brutal killings of two men Monday. The latest, just the latest, in a series of

attacks targeting minorities, activists, atheists, you name it.

Ivan Watson has gained access to some of those who have had to flee the country in fear.

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IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The 25- year-old atheist blogger, Ananya Azad (ph) fled his home in Bangladesh last year.

(on camera): Good to meet you. How are you?

(voice-over): Soon after arriving here in Germany, he says he ended up on the top of this hit list published by Islamist extremists.

(on camera): This is the ISIS flag here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

WATSON: It says we do not forget, we do not forgive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

WATSON (voice-over): These online threats are not virtual reality. In the capital of Bangladesh attackers with machetes have murdered at least six

atheist bloggers and secular publishers over the last 14 months.

Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent claimed responsibility for the most recent murder, citing the victim's Facebook posts as justification for the

killing.

Among the dozens of atheists who have now fled Bangladesh, Azad and two other online activists, all exiles in Germany.

(on camera): What do you write about?

ANANYA AZAD, BLOGGER: I wrote -- I criticized the Islamic militants. I criticized our government.

WATSON (voice-over): Azad knows firsthand the dangers of angering extremists.

AZAD: In 2004 my father was attacked by Islamic militants.

WATSON (on camera): This is your father covered in blood.

AZAD: Yes.

WATSON (voice-over): His father, Huma Yun (ph), a famous atheist writer, died soon after. Even though he continues to receive daily death threats,

Azad says he won't stop publicly criticizing Islamist extremism, in part to honor his father.

Atheist blogger, Asif Mohiuddin (ph), still goes live on Facebook even though in 2013, he was ambushed on his way to work in Bangladesh.

[15:20:02]ASIF MOHIUDDIN, BLOGGER: Three people came from behind and started -- they tried to cut my head from my neck.

WATSON (on camera): They were using what weapons?

MOHIUDDIN: Like big machete.

WATSON (voice-over): He barely survived. Just three months later, Bangladeshi authorities shut down Mohiuddin's blog and sent him to jail.

MOHIUDDIN: They arrested me for blasphemy.

WATSON: A top government official says atheists like Mohiuddin have no business insulting religion.

ANISUL HUQ, MINISTER FOR LAW, JUSTICE AND PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS: Reasonable criticism is acceptable. But unreasonable, abusive language is

difficult to accept.

WATSON: During his three-month jail stint, Mohiuddin had a chilling encounter with another prisoner.

MOHIUDDIN: And I said, no, who are you? I don't know you. And then he told me that I am the one who stabbed you that night.

WATSON: Mohiuudin says that man was one of several suspects arrested after his attack. Police tell CNN that suspect is currently in jail awaiting

trial in connection with the suspected machete murder of another atheist blogger, Niloy Nil (ph) in 2015.

(on camera): Did you have tea with the man who tried to kill you?

MOHIUDDIN: Yes. He told me he left Islam so the Sharia punishment for apostasy of Islam is death penalty. And I told him that OK, so I'm still

alive, so what are you going to do now? And he told me he will try again, when he will get out of the prison he will try again.

WATSON (voice-over): Bangladeshi officials insist they will bring the murderers of atheists to justice. Meanwhile, from exile Mohiuudin says he

still faces criminal charges in Bangladesh for insulting religion.

(on camera): When will it be safe for you to go back to your country?

MOHIUDDIN: When the government tell us very clear message that writing is not a crime, expressing one's view is not a crime. Killing people is

crime.

WATSON: Ivan Watson, CNN, Germany.

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GORANI: It sounds pretty simple. Killing people is a crime.

Now, the countdown is on to this summer's Olympic games, and that means the Olympic torch is winding its way around the world, from Greece all the way

to Brazil. But the torch took a different route than normal earlier in Athens.

In a refugee camp, the torch was carried by Ibrahim El Hussein. There he is, you see the sunlight behind him, so he's a bit backlit. He's 27 years

old, an athlete, and a refugee who lost part of his right leg in the country's brutal civil war. He was granted asylum in Greece after fleeing

his homeland.

Apple is set to release its latest sales figures in about an hour and a half, and the tech giant is expected to say it had the worst quarter in

well over a decade.

Let's get more on this. Cristina Alesci is in New York. As I was saying before the break, usually Apple fans are not used to really bad news from

Apple. Can this be considered, you know, something that investors should be worried about at this stage? What are we expecting?

CRISTINA ALESCI, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT: Well, certainly for the short- term, this is not good news and something that's concerning investors. Because not only are the profits and sales dropping, you're looking at

probably a double-digit decline in sales, which is actually something we haven't seen since 2001.

That was before the iPod came out. That was a time when windows had the dominant operating system. And it's all tied to what you're looking at on

the screen right now, which is the drop in iPhone sales.

Analysts predict about 50 million compared to about 61 million for the same quarter last year. Hala, let's keep in mind that iPhones make up a

staggering two-thirds of revenue for Apple.

It is an extremely important product for Apple. And last year, we had this incredible phenomenon, where they launched the iPhone 6 in China, with the

very same quarter last year that we're comparing this to.

So the expectations, the comparisons, if you will, are a bit difficult to make, because they had a new product, they launched it in China so last

year's numbers look incredible. Tim Cook says, what do you expect?

We can't have that kind of sterile year all the time. So, the bar was set relatively high. Now, what Apple's managed to do is kind of manage

expectations on the street. So I actually could see the stock even popping today, because the bar now is set so low.

GORANI: You mentioned the stock. I'm checking it. It's APPL, right? So we have -- Apple is down 0.75 percent right now, is what I'm seeing.

ALESCI: Right, but when the results come out, maybe they won't be as bad as all of us are talking about.

GORANI: Right, so it's -- I guess, once we either have that confirmation that it's what we expect or perhaps it will be worse, I guess we're going

to have to just wait and see.

[15:25:09]But what about the rest of the year, right? Because you talk about iPhones and one of the interesting questions about Apple, since the

death of Steve Jobs is, you know, there hasn't really been that new product.

I mean, there are improvements to existing products, iPads, iPods, Macbook, et cetera, but what is going to continue to drive Apple forward into the

future? What are we expecting for the rest of the year, for instance?

ALESCI: That's an excellent question. Apple needs to innovate in other areas. It's trying to do so with television. It's trying to do so with

music, really investing in that platform.

But unfortunately right now, analysts are looking over the next 12 months. And the biggest boost that Apple is going to get to its top and bottom

lines will be the iPhone 7, to your point.

Not a new category, at all. But the iPhone 7 will launch in September. And analysts are already looking and surveying consumers who 40 percent of

which, one Goldman Sachs analysis says they will upgrade to the new iPhone 7.

So that's the silver lining here. That's what we're going to expect them to talk about on the call today.

GORANI: Well, you've got to count on people to upgrade and they only do that if they feel like they have money to spend, et cetera. We'll see how

that goes for Apple, as well. Cristina, we really appreciate it. Thanks very much for that report.

A lot more to come this evening. We were discussing at the top of the hour, 27 years and finally there is some measure of justice for the

families of Hillsborough victims. I'll be speaking to the man refereed that very football game on that fateful day.

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GORANI: Welcome back. A look at our top stories. Families of the Hillsborough victims say justice has been served here in the U.K. That was

after a jury ruled that 96 Liverpool football fans were unlawfully killed in a crush back in 1989.

The jury found the fans themselves were not at fault, which is quite significant, and police error was a factor in the death. Police say they

may now pursue some criminal charges in the matter.

Also among our top stories, it could be a big night for Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, the two obvious frontrunners. Polls will close in just a

few hours in five American states that are holding Super Tuesday contests today. Both the Republican and Democratic presidential frontrunners are

expected to widen their delegate leads.

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GORANI: Also among the stories we're following, Norway's government is saying that it will appeal the recent verdict in the case of Anders

Breivik.

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GORANI: Breivik, the convicted mass murderer you'll remember successfully argued in court that his isolation in prison was inhumane and degrading and

the court in Norway agreed with him.

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GORANI: Well, it has been decades of questions, anger, and anguish and really a story that has been very traumatic for this country. Even more

than a quarter century on. But today, there are finally some answers for the families of the Hillsborough victims.

More than 50,000 people traveled to Sheffield to watch a game of football. 96 of them never returned. Here are their faces.

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GORANI: 22 of those who died were under 18. The oldest was 67 - the youngest, 10. Karen Hankin's husband was one of those kills. She spoke at a

news conference earlier today.

KAREN HANKIN, WIFE OF HILLSBOROUGH VICTIM: For 27 years, I have watched as our children grew, denied the joy of a father who loved them daily. For

many of those years, I closed ranks and tried to protect Lindsay and David from the horrors and lies I knew were out there. As they grew, rather than

this heartbreaking situation we found ourselves in diminishing, it grew, too. For so many years, I had tried to protect and finally, I no longer had

that choice.

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GORANI: One man with vivid memories of that day is Ray Lewis. He was the referee on the pitch in the game between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest

and he is live in the studio with me tonight. Thank you, sir, for being here.

RAY LEWIS, REFEREE DURING HILLSBOROUGH GAME: My pleasure.

GORANI: You heard the results of the inquest. Essentially removing all blame from the fans and saying that it was possibly the fault of the

police. How did you -- what went through your mind when you heard the news?

LEWIS: Well, I was very pleased for the families, basically, because they felt that justice had not been done over the 27 years, and I think,

hopefully, they feel that there's a closure in the situation.

GORANI: And is this over the years something that you also concluded yourself? Because what were you told initially?

LEWIS: Well I mean, the game itself sort of got off to a normal way. That day in April, '89, we had no indication that there was any problems prior

to the game.

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LEWIS: And all of a sudden, a policeman comes on to the pitch and taps me on the shoulder and says, you know, we have some problems --

GORANI: You have to stop the game.

LEWIS: We stopped the game and it was never re-started.

GORANI: Now, we have some footage of that day. This was in April, as you mentioned, of 1989, that we're going to show our viewers now. Not some of

the more graphic images, of course. But describe to us what we're seeing, here. These are when fans actually started sort of making their way on to

the pitch.

LEWIS: Yes. Well, I think at the time, it wasn't unusual for people to be moved from one pen to another pen during matches, simply because there were

no seats.

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LEWIS: The tickets were for that end, and not necessarily that pen that people were in. And generally, people went to the center pens and the

stewards and police used to take them on to the gravel --

GORANI: People would stand. That was not unusual?

LEWIS: People were standing, yes, it was a standing area.

GORANI: And so what ended up happening is there was a crush of people, which we now know. At one point - I mean is it only when the police officer

came to tell you, we have a problem that we realize something was terribly wrong?

LEWIS: Yes, because I honestly felt you know we'd experienced these type of things before.

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LEWIS: So it wasn't going to be a serious matter, because usually, stewards and police can handle that type of situation.

GORANI: And the casualty figures were a lot lower initially than what ended up being the case. I mean, I believe you were told, perhaps, maybe 10

people had died?

LEWIS: Yes. We first heard about 40 minutes from the kickoff, that someone had died, that there had been a fatality. But then, unfortunately, more and

more people were announced to have died, so the decision was made that the game would be abandoned.

GORANI: Is this -- I mean, I do wonder. This, of course, is a dramatic event for the country. For many people who were nowhere near that football

stadium. You were there in the middle of it.

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GORANI: What is it like to live with that memory?

LEWIS: It's -- it is difficult on occasions, and especially when the anniversary comes up every year. April the 15th is a day I'll always

remember. I think we've got to also look, though it's very, very tragic, I think what has - what has moved and developed since then is that grounds in

this country are far safer. They're all seater --

GORANI: It's had a real impact?

LEWIS: It's had a very, very great impact on safety concerns, yes.

GORANI: Are you still in touch with anyone who was there that day? I mean, is this something you still discuss with people who survived it or

witnessed it?

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LEWIS: Three of my colleagues naturally, that assisted me on that game. I do go up to the anniversary memorial services. I was up there ten days ago

for the last one. So, yes. And you know, I wouldn't say I have a great closeness with the families, but I do have apathy with them as far as

that's concerned.

GORANI: Ray Lewis, thank you very much, who was refereeing that day in April 1989 in Hillsborough. Thank you so much for joining us in the studio.

We appreciate it. And also don't forget, you can get our interviews on our Facebook page, facebook.com/halagoranicnn.

Well the U.S. is certainly sending a message to Russia with its most sophisticated military aircraft.

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GORANI: Two F-22 raptor fighter jets landed at a strategic base in Romania Monday. Clarissa Ward was on board the refueling plane that travelled with

the F-22s and sent us this report from the skies.

CLARISSA WARD, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: These air force pilots are preparing for a unique mission. They will be accompanying two

U.S. fighter jets to Romania, a NATO ally on the Black Sea. It will be the first time America's fearsome F-22 raptor has landed there. An opportunity

for the U.S. to show it is bolstering NATO defenses on Russia's doorstep. Flying one of the two is squadron commander lieutenant colonel Daniel

Luhowski. He explained what makes the F-22 special.

DANIEL LUHOWSKI, SQUADRON COMMANDER LIEUTENANT COLONEL: A combination of stealth, super cruise, increased situational awareness that the aircraft

provides us, which all of that adds up to a unique asymmetrical advantage on the battle field.

WARD: So basically you're saying this is the basically the best fighter aircraft in the world?

LUHOWSKI: The aircraft is truly incredible and it is indeed the best fighter aircraft in the world.

WARD: The technology is so advanced that congress has band their sale overseas. En route to Romania, the jets must regularly be refueled, a

delicate balancing act we got to see close up. A nozzle called a boom is lowered from the tanker. The jet then moves into place directly below it

and the gas starts pumping.

Officially, this is a training exercise to move U.S. fighter jets from a fixed base to a forward operating base. But it's the symbolism that is

important here. This is intended as a show of force to an increasingly assertive Russia.

Earlier this month, Russian jets repeatedly buzzed a U.S. Navy destroyer in the Baltic Sea in maneuvers the U.S. called provocative and aggressive.

Since the annexation of Crimea in 2014, Russia has steadily built up its military footprint on the Black Sea unnerving many NATO allies in the

region as Romanian Air Force Chief Of Staff, Laurian Anastasof told us.

LAURIAN ANASTASOF, ROMANIAN AIR FORCE CHIEF OF STAFF: They're increasing the air activities, they're increasing the missions, they're increasing the

training. This is a thing that we are seeing every single day. So we need to get ready for what's going to be. That's my major concern, how to get

ready for what's going to be next.

WARD: And like many here, he hopes that the U.S. will continue its commitment to its NATO allies, whatever tomorrow may bring.

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GORANI: Clarissa Ward reporting there.

Coming up, five candidates, five states, and less than five hours of voting left.

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GORANI: We'll update you on the latest Super Tuesday in the presidential race in America and get some perspective from a Bernie Sanders supporter.

And CNN exclusively obtains some very shockingly racist text messages, written by a senior San Francisco police officer. And it is not the first

time that it happens in this city. We'll have those exclusive details coming up. We'll be right back.

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GORANI: Let's return now to the race to the White House. Nobody is expecting any real nail biters in today's Super Tuesday contests, but then

again, the polls and pundits have been wrong before.

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GORANI: Five northeastern states are holding primaries today. Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, Rhode Island, and Connecticut. Front-runners Donald

Trump and Hillary Clinton are expected to widen their delegate leads.

Clinton's democratic rival, Bernie Sanders, says he still has a shot at winning his party's nomination, though he acknowledges the path is,

"narrow."

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GORANI: Donald Trump is giving some unsolicited advice to Sanders, by the way. He's saying the Democrats are treating you badly, ditch them and run

as an independent; another unexpected twist in this completely unpredictable race. Let's bring in CNN political commentator Bill Press,

he's a Bernie Sanders supporter and he joins us now live.

So Bill should Bernie Sanders listen to Donald Trump's advice and just go it - you know run the race as a third-party candidate?

BILL PRESS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I don't believe Bernie Sanders should listen to Donald Trump or follow his advice on any subject at all.

And certainly not on this one. Bernie Sanders is, let me just say, flat- out, Bernie Sanders is not going to run as an independent candidate.

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PRESS: My earliest conversations with him about running for President, he told me, and I told him this was very important, a, he would run as a

Democrat, and b, he would support the democratic nominee. And he would not be another Ralph Nader. So Donald Trump is just blowing more hot air.

GORANI: OK, so what happens now, though? If Bernie Sanders says he will support the Democratic nominee, that, of course, will be Hillary Clinton,

and he has a very -- he, himself, acknowledges, he has very narrow path to the nomination. At what point is the decision made, as far as Bernie

Sanders is concerned, to drop out?

PRESS: Well I think Bernie will not drop out until the end of primaries, which go until June 14 and the Democratic primary here in district of

Colombia, in Washington, D.C. For a very -- this is the principle that he's following, Hala, which is, it's the same one, by the way, that Hillary

Clinton followed in 2008. That every voter in every state should have a chance to exercise their choice in the primary, particularly as to which

way they want the party to go. Even if, which is not certain yet, but it certainly looks like that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee. Even if she

gets --

GORANI: So what does he want out of it, then? What does he want out of the process?

PRESS: Well I would say - right, good question. First of all, he wants to win, and if he doesn't win, there are a couple of other things he wants.

One, he really wants to shape the agenda for 2016. He's already done that to a large extent, but that really means the party platform reflecting the

progressive issues that he's run on, number one. And number two, Bernie remember, he talks about a political revolution. He wants to shake up the

Democratic Party. He believes, as do I, that the Democratic Party has lost its roots. It doesn't really represent working class people anymore. And

it's got to give back to really a progressive base and taking care of working class Americans. So that -- and the more delegates he has --

GORANI: Yes, I was going to say, has he succeeded in doing that? And by the way, my producer is telling me, Hillary Clinton has as you know has moved

on to Indiana. She's not in one of the five Super Tuesday states voting today. She's campaigning there. These are live images coming to us from

Hammond, Indiana. Do you think that Bernie Sanders will have succeeded in sort of establishing a certain agenda? I mean, once he's out of the race,

will then those ideas also be out of the race?

PRESS: By the way, I just want to point out, Hillary Clinton, she's smart to be in Indiana. Bernie Sanders, I think, is in West Virginia today.

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PRESS: But Hillary's going to be back in Pennsylvania tonight, assuming an election victory tonight. But to your question, that's a big issue. I think

to a certain extent, a large extent, Bernie Sanders has really shaped this agenda. Just look at a couple of issues. On the big trade deal, the TPP,

Hillary was against it, Bernie was against it -- I'm sorry, Hillary was for it, now she's against it, like Bernie Sanders. The same thing with the

transpacific -- the keystone pipeline.

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PRESS: So he has raised these issues, he's really drawn Hillary Clinton to the left. But he wants to start a political revolution. That's going to be

tough. Nobody else has succeeded so far. And how he carries that out, I think he's going to have to help Hillary Clinton as much as he can, and

influence the party agenda going forward.

GORANI: And lastly, of course, then, at some point, very soon, we'll all be talking about the veep stakes, already named are being floated.

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GORANI: So if Bernie Sanders has succeeded, as you say, in establishing -- in creating a conversation around certain issues that were nonexistent

before, will that also influence Hillary Clinton's choice of running mate?

PRESS: I think he -- it could. I don't think Bernie Sanders, in any way, will be the running mate. I don't think she will offer, I don't think he

would accept. But he certainly would have some suggestions about a progressive, a strong progressive on the ticket, like a Sherrod Brown from

Ohio, for example.

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PRESS: Like an Elizabeth Warren from Massachusetts. Bernie mentioned her today. I think Bernie might also be interested in who is the chair, the new

chair of the Democratic Party. So will that chair carry these progressive issues forward?

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PRESS: And those -- that's the conversation that Hillary and Bernie will have to have, just like Hillary and Barack Obama had it the other way

around, in 2008.

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GORANI: All right, Bill Press, really appreciate it. Thank you so much for joining us today.

PRESS: Good to join you, thanks Hala.

GORANI: All right, And special coverage begins just hours from now. Watch as the voting wraps up and the results roll in. It starts at midnight in

London right here on CNN. We'll join our colleagues from CNN USA.

Now to a story that is threatening San Francisco's image as an opening and welcoming city.

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GORANI: Now, by the way, I want to warn you, these are some offensive messages. They're some of the racist text messages obtained by CNN that

were sent by a San Francisco Police Officer, Jason Lai. A spokeswoman for the force says that he resigned earlier this month. His attorney says the

texts are not reflective of who he is. He is, however, I'll let you read them. I'm not going to read them out loud, but you get a sense reading them

what we're talking about.

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GORANI: The big problem here for the San Francisco Police Department is that it's not the first time something like this has happened. Our Dan

Simon reported on a previous incident, similar to this one, last year. Take a look.

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DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Is San Francisco the new Ferguson?

The unlikely comparison comes amid the troubling disclosure of racist and homophobic text messages exchanged between more than a dozen San Francisco

police officers. Texts that are causing a major stir "do you celebrate Kwanzaa at your school?" one officer texted. Reply, "yes, we burn the cross

on the field and then we celebrate Whitemas."

In another text, the n-word is used to describe white women. "They should be spayed." response, "I saw one an hour ago with four kids."

San Francisco is known for its progressive politics and for being a tolerant City but these disgusting text messages have exposed what some

civil rights activists have complained about for years; that there's an element of racism in the Police Department. Reverend Amos Brown is the head

of the San Francisco chapter of the NAACP.

AMOS BROWN, NAACP: We own 4.9% of the population and yet 45 to 50% of inmates are black. I know Ferguson is over in Missouri, but in terms of

attitudes, practices, and outcomes, as it pertains to justice for black people in the city. We are Ferguson.

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GORANI: Well, Dan Simon joins us now along with CNN's justice reporter, Scott Glover. They're both in Los Angeles and both reported exclusively on

this story. Dan, I'm going to start with you. So this is seen - I mean it's seen as a bigger issue, we saw it with your report from last year, a bigger

issue than one Police Officer's racist texts, right?

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It really is. And you know, San Francisco, as you saw there in the video, I talked about it. It's known as a welcoming

city. It's probably the most liberal city in the United States. And it's very progressive. And so the fact that it happened in San Francisco, I

think, to the international audience, is going to be very surprising. And the fact that you had a series of incidents, you had the first text

scandal, and then you had the shooting last December of an African-American suspect, where he was shot 20 times and a lot of people saw that video and

didn't think it was a justified shooting. And then you have another, you know, incident with racist text messages. So when you add it all up, you

know, this is going to be a pretty big story.

GORANI: And Scott, you covered -- I mean, this is San Francisco. You covered the LAPD for many years and all of its problems over the last

decades. I mean how does this fit into the overall picture of policing and police departments in California, do you think?

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SCOTT GLOVER, CNN JUSTICE REPORTER: That's a great question. And I think it remains to be seen. You know, you're always looking at, is this an isolated

incident or is it indicative of a cultural problem? Clearly, as Dan said, you know there have been back-to-back incidents with these racist texts,

and the first one involved some 14 officers, this one, four.

But the question is, since they were discovered sort of accidentally, incidental to other criminal investigations, you know what happens if you

look under another rock?

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GLOVER: You know are you going to find a texting scandal there? And I think that critics of the department are suspicious, because you know under these

two rocks, you have found that. And I think that it may take a little way to build the confidence, you know, back up.

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GORANI: Well, certainly, this is a drip, drip, you know, a very negative coverage and revelations from these police departments. So, therefore, as

far as the San Francisco Police Department is concerned, what is the chief there doing to address these concerns?

SIMON: Well, I think, you know, what the chief has to do is set the tone. And he's trying to do just that. He's having a news conference later this

afternoon to talk about all of this. But this is a chief that has been at this department for three decades. He knows the department very well,

presumably, he knows what the culture is like. And he basically has to say that this type of behavior will not be tolerated. And I'm not sure that

message has fully resonated, because you've had these incidents. And we'll just have to see how things progress from here on out.

GORANI: And briefly, Scott, I mean, you said that all these -- and we've been reporting that these texts were discovered accidentally, within the

context of other investigations. Is this going to change, you know, the way the brass looks at, you know, sort of devices methods of communications, e-

mails of its police officers at all?

GLOVER: You know, I don't think so. I think that what it is going to result in, and it's happening already, is training regarding, you know, racial

sensitivity and things like this. I think that they've learned that these conversations are going on with some officers, and they are, you know,

taking this as an opportunity to educate, you know, the officers within the ranks and let them know that this is not acceptable.

GORANI: All right. Scott Glover and Dan Simon, thanks very much for joining us, there with your exclusive reporting on just this very latest scandal

involving a police officer in San Francisco. Thank you very much.

A quick break; when we come back here on "The World Right Now," Big Ben's big overhaul.

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GORANI: A look at plans that may silence or that will I should say silence the big clock. We'll be right back.

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GORANI: Well, icons need facelifts, too. In the last two years, the Washington monument and the Taj Mahal have had their nip and tuck and now

it's Big Ben's turn. Nic Robertson has our story.

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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: For more than 150 years, almost uninterrupted, Big Ben's iconic big bongs, the hourly chimes

have rung out across London. But now the famous clock belt from where Big Ben gets its name will fall quiet for urgent refurbishment work, starting

next year. The British parliament has announced the Elizabeth Tower, which houses the clock, will undergo three years of repairs.

PAUL ROBINSON, CLOCK MAKER AT THE PALACE OF WESTMINSTER: There are a couple of areas that we do desperately want to look at. The suspension spring, the

pendulum, we're hoping to take the hands off the clock.

ROBERTSON: Decades of weather and water damage have caused parts of the metal and stonework in the tower to crumble. There has been no major repair

work since the 1980s. Even the bells themselves are rusting. The iron roof will be removed completely during the works, meaning there will be several

months of silence, when the bells won't chime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On my left here is the south-facing clock face.

ROBERTSON: Even the clock face is being eroded.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can see, there's a considerable problem with water ingress here. There's rust in the frames. The mastic is coming away here.

The water comes down the glass and gets behind that and causes this to rust.

ROBERTSON: A team is examining whether to return the clock face to its original Victorian colors of green and gold. But they promise, at least one

of the four faces will always be kept visible and on time and that the bells will be rung, as usual, on major dates, such as New Year's Eve.

Nic Robertson, CNN, London.

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GORANI: We talked about this yesterday. And a song about infidelity on Beyonce's new album, one lyric has songs obsessed.

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GORANI: Whether or not the line is factual fans are searching for Becky with the good hair. We did discuss it last night, an infamous Instagram

post had fingers pointing at a woman named Rachel Roy, she's a fashion designer. She's released a statement "I want to put the speculation and

rumors to rest. There is no validity to the idea that the song references me personally."

There you have it. Is it over? Maybe not.

This is "The World Right Now." I'm Hala Gorani, thanks for watching, "Quest Means Business" is next.

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