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U.N.: Syrian Ceasefire "Hangs By A Thread"; MSF: Fifty Killed In Airstrike On Hospital In Syria; Trump Canvassing Indiana Ahead Of Primary; Cruz Hopes Fiorina Ticket Can Broaden His Appeal; Austria Passes Tough New Asylum Laws; Source: Opiod Medication Found On Prince; Facebook Shares Surge 10 Percent To All-Time High; Reactions to Donald Trump's Foreign Policy Speech. Aired 3-4p ET
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[15:00:13] HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: A very busy hour today and thanks for being with us. I'm Hala Gorani. We're live at CNN London,
and this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
We begin this evening in Syria in an already shaky ceasefire that is now tethering close to a complete collapse. The U.N. is saying there was a,
quote, "Catastrophic deterioration" in Aleppo and other locations over just the past few days.
Evidence of that emerged earlier when a children's hospital in Aleppo was hit by an airstrike. An official for Doctors Without Borders says 50
people were killed and a warning, Nic Robertson's report contains disturbing images.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR (voice-over): Syria's ceasefire is in totters. The latest, an air strike on an opposition
hospital in Aleppo. This one supported by Doctors Without Borders and the Red Cross.
Dozens killed including children and at least three doctors, one of them the last pediatrician. So severe the attack, the Red Cross issued a
statement saying, "The destruction of the hospital are putting millions at great risk."
The bodies, the grief, hailing pressure on faltering peace talks in Geneva.
STAFFAN DE MISTURA, U.N. SPECIAL ENVOY: In the last 48 hours, we have had an average of one Syrian killed every 25 minutes. One Syrian wounded every
13 minutes.
ROBERTSON: Three weeks of talks and a thousand miles from the frontlines and little progress. The two sides using the ceasefire to talk about the
political transition, but accusations not compromise is traded.
BASHAR JAAFARI, SYRIAN AMBASSADOR TO U.N. (through translator): The threats that emanated from the opposition who were here in Geneva before
they stopped and got upset and left, these declarations were translated on the ground into attacks.
ROBERTSON: The opposition for their part pausing their participation blaming the government for renewed offensive making talks meaningless.
Within days of pulling back from the talks, opposition fighters last week on ceasefire showed here in their own propaganda video back to the
battlefront.
The U.N. envoy urging Russia and the United States to step in again and save the ceasefire and save the talks.
MISTURA: We need that to be urgently revitalized and only the Russian federation, the U.S. as they did when they launched suddenly everything
related to this decision needed to come back again and re-launch it.
ROBERTSON: In the meantime, the killing is escalating. No date set for the next round of peace talks. The U.N. envoy planning a visit to Moscow
next week. Urgency and peace both in short supply.
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GORANI: Nic Robertson joins me now live. Well, a children's hospital, markets, civilians clearly being killed here.
ROBERTSON: Hospital -- attack in a hospital is a war crime. It's a violation of international humanitarian law. It's a war crime. Just at
the beginning of March, two months ago, Amnesty International, well recognized and well respected international body that studied many, many
wars.
Looked at the situation in Aleppo and the 12 weeks prior, six hospitals have been directly targeted. The government in Damascus today said they
were not responsible.
GORANI: And the Russians?
ROBERTSON: They said they weren't responsible too. Somebody was responsible. Amnesty International have looked at many of these. It's
very clear path when hospitals are targeted, it's the denial of services and the people to live in an area and an effort to force them out.
What's followed by these attacking hospitals according to Amnesty International are ground offenses. A quarter of a million people still
live there according to international --
[15:05:01]GORANI: What about the Americans? What are they saying about all of this? I mean, because this initiative was partly, the cessation of
hostilities initiative, was partly a result of John Kerry and meeting his counterpart, Sergei Lavrov and the U.S. and Russia on some level working
together.
ROBERTSON: The world has been watching Aleppo in particular and Syria for the past week or so. The talks in Geneva have been breaking down. This
humanitarian situation has been eroding and eroding and eroding.
Right now, we have this situation according to Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, 148 people killed in Aleppo in the last six days.
What has been surprising particularly given that you have an appeal from the U.N. special envoy, Steffan De Mistura that the U.S. and Russia must
get together to try to get the ceasefire going again.
The cease fire has been breaking down for days now if not a week. The talks have been breaking down for that same period.
GORANI: Have they spoken? Do we know?
ROBERTSON: There's been -- we know about publicly one phone call and little reported from it, virtually nothing. It appears that there's a lot
of inaction and then I talked about isn't going to go to Moscow until next week. One person killed every 25 minutes.
He is not going to Moscow until next week so where is the pressure that was talked about in Russia to put the pressure on Assad to back down? That was
the premise for getting into the talks in Geneva and it's falling apart.
Yes, the question where is this conversation? Where is this pressure from the United States on Russia? The answer seems to be that they don't have
it. They don't have the leverage.
GORANI: Or they don't have the will, which is, by the way, what Jan Egeland, the special adviser on Syria told me perhaps there's not enough
will to put the pressure. Thanks very much, Nic Robertson, for that report and analysis.
By the way, I mentioned Jan Egeland, he is the chair -- also the chair of the U.N. Task Force on Humanitarian Access in Syria. Have a listen of our
exchange about -- particularly about the targeting of hospitals in Aleppo.
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GORANI: They say that in the past the hospitals that have been targeted, their coordinates are provided. Where these coordinates provided in this
case?
JAN EGELAND, U.N. TASK FORCE ON HUMANITARIAN ACCESS IN SYRIA: As far as I know the coordinates have been provided. The last hospital that was hit
was an MSF hospital. There has been hit Red Cross hospitals and now these were well known.
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GORANI: So these are well known. You can hear my full interview in about 30 minutes. Stay with us for that.
Ted Cruz, he is number two in many of the primary contest and he is making a last ditch effort to expand his appeal while there's still a window of
opportunity.
The Republican presidential hopeful is on a campaign blitz with his new running mate, former rival, Carly Fiorina. It's very rare for a candidate
to declare a vice presidential pick this early.
It usually happens officially at the convention. But Cruz is clearly hoping for a game changer ahead of Tuesday's must-win primary in Indiana.
Fiorina says she is a fighter just like Ted Cruz.
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CARLY FIORINA, TED CRUZ'S RUNNING MATE: I took on this challenge for the same reason that I voted for Ted Cruz before I ever had a conversation with
him about endorsing him for the same reason I have been on the trail with him for the last seven weeks. There is a lot at stake. I think the soul
of our party is at stake. I think the future of our nation is at stake.
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GORANI: Carly Fiorina. Now just as Cruz tries to win back some of the spotlight, he's getting some very unwanted attention from his former
congressional colleague, by the way not all of his former workmates appreciate Ted Cruz.
John Boehner is calling Cruz, quote, "Lucifer in the flesh." The former House speaker told a Stanford University publication, "I get along with
almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a "b" in my life."
Now meanwhile, Trump is back on the offensive as well and this time in the battleground state of Indiana. A win would help clear his path to reach
the 1,237 delegates that he needs to clinch the nomination at the Republican convention.
Trump is campaigning a day after a foreign policy address in Washington where his message was America first. It was certainly isolationism in
there. There was that message that we've been hearing over and over again that Trump wants to make America great again and the first priority.
That Americans won't be taken advantage of by foreign partners. At a later campaign stop, he called the Cruz-Fiorina team up a waste of time. He had
a tough talk for the Democratic frontrunner as well.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So now he's getting clobbered and he goes to New York last week and they ran him out of the place. You
can't run if you can't get like 12 percent in New York, OK? You can't run. Just can't.
[15:10:08]Too big, it's too important. I think that I'm going to win New York by the way, I really do, I mean, in the general election. Nobody else
honestly because it's very important that we win.
We have to beat Hillary Clinton, crooked Hillary Clinton. She is crooked. But you know, no Republican other than me will campaign in New York.
They're not going to do it because they have no chance.
Kasich has no chance. Zero. I understand it. For years and years they don't go to New York and campaign. They assume that it's lost. If
somebody ever won New York, it totally changed the map and I think that we will win New York.
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GORANI: That certainly was not the first time Trump has taken a swipe at Clinton and vice versa. Dana Bash has that report.
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DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Riding high and eager to turn towards the general election.
TRUMP (via telephone): She is playing the woman card left and right.
BASH: Donald Trump is unveiling a page from his playbook against the Democratic frontrunner designed, of course, to get people talking.
TRUMP: Frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think that she would get 5 percent of the vote.
BASH: Hillary Clinton's campaign clearly sees it as a political gift trying to raise campaign cash off Trump's woman card comment with this new
e-mail saying, "Hillary Clinton has won more than 12 million votes. That's two million more than Trump because she has the best vision for this
country, the chops to get the job done and an incredible team fighting alongside her." And incorporating it into her stump speech.
CLINTON: If fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the woman card then deal me in!
BASH: When she ran in 2008, Clinton didn't play up the fact that she would be the first female president until it was too late.
CLINTON: Although, we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it got about 18 million craps in it.
BASH: This time, she is leaning in more.
CLINTON: I'm not asking people to vote for me simply because I'm a woman. I'm asking people to vote for me on the merits and I think one of the
merits is I am a woman.
BASH: Despite that, Hillary Clinton has some work to do with female voters. Half of women view her unfavorably. Still that is pretty good
compared to what women think of Donald Trump, 73 percent, nearly three quarters of female voters have an unfavorable view of him. And in a head
to head matchup, Clinton crushes Trump with female voters, 60 percent to 33 percent. It's why a chief Republican worry about Trump is that he'll turn
off women at the polls.
TRUMP: Well, I think the only card she has is the woman's card. She's got nothing else going.
BASH: Chris Christie's wife, Mary Pat, maybe no fan of Hillary's, but her side eye glance went viral when Trump said this.
TRUMP: The only thing she has going is the woman's card and the beautiful thing is women don't like her, OK?
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GORANI: All right. Donald Trump there. Let's bring our chief political correspondent, Dana Bash. First, let's talk about Cruz-Fiorina. Why make
that -- I mean, what is it? Is this a Hail Mary path as it's called in the United States? It's that last ditch dramatic move to try to get some
momentum against Trump?
BASH: A little bit. There is no question about it that Ted Cruz realizes that the next contest, which is the state of Indiana, which is hoping
against all hope that he wins for lots of reasons is the thing that keeps Donald Trump mathematically from getting the nomination.
I mean, it actually could be possible even if Cruz wins for Trump to still get the nomination before the convention. It will just make it a lot
harder. But what he is trying to also do is lay out more for Republican voters than just his candidacy.
This is going to be my team. This is the kind of president -- presidential decisions I would make. This is the kind of person I would surround myself
with. And you know, obviously playing up when he announced it yesterday.
Her conservative credentials or conservative ideals, her business background, all the things that we heard about when she was running for
president and I think the fact that the two of them have clearly formed and forge bond since she endorsed him.
She really has been on the campaign trail with him nonstop. It was not just the endorsement for president. She is out there working for him and
he wanted to bring that forward as he hopes another reason for Republican voters to vote him particularly and especially in Indiana on Tuesday.
[15:15:08]GORANI: She's even playing with his daughters and singing them songs. We heard some of that. Let me ask you something that is puzzling,
by making this announcement so soon, doesn't that remove sort of a bargaining position.
That he might have at the convention if he wants the delegates who first voted for Trump in the second round to go his way or at least attract the
way some of the delegates who supported the other candidates. Wouldn't it be -- has been strategically better for him to keep that under wraps so
that he could leverage that part?
BASH: That's a really, really good question, Hala. No, really, it's a really sophisticated principle in question because you're exactly right
that once -- you know, it hasn't happened in 40 years, but historically once a candidates gets to a convention and needs to start wheeling and
dealing.
You need all of the leverage you can get. I think the calculation within the Cruz campaign is that if it goes to a second ballot, it's going to be
more about Donald Trump and the people not wanting him.
Not wanting Donald Trump and try to find an alternative and that Cruz is the best alternative than not wanting someone else and being -- and looking
for Cruz, but needing a few extra reasons to support Cruz, if that makes sense.
He is already making the argument pretty successfully that he is a real conservative. He can do well. He could appeal across the conservative
board. That's all in his pocket and the number one argument that he is going to make if it gets to a second ballot at the convention is Donald
Trump isn't a real conservative.
With Carly Fiorina by his side, you know, he can make it even stronger because he did pick somebody who has -- she's not an elected office before,
but she has supported conservative philosophy and candidates, you know, for years and years.
GORANI: All right. Dana Bash, thanks very much. Thanks for being on the program. Always a pleasure.
Still to come tonight, a law enforcement source says Prince was treated for a potential overdose of pain medication about a week before his death.
We'll have the very latest on the investigation and what was found by the way on him the day he died.
Plus Facebook revenues have gone through the roof and investors as you can imagine are loving it. Can they keep it up? We'll be right back.
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GORANI: Austria has passed a series of tough new laws that allow authorities to turn away most migrants at the border if a state of
emergency is invoked. The escalating restrictions come amid anger over a shocking child rape case that involves an Iraqi migrant.
[15:20:02]Earlier this week, Austrian police clashed with Italian protesters at a border crossing in the Alps. Hundreds marched in
solidarity with the migrants and against Austria's decision to tighten borders.
Today, the secretary general of the U.N., Ban Ki-Moon expressed his concerns about restrictive legislation saying, "When the arrival process is
well managed, accepting refugees is a win for everyone," unquote.
Back to that child rape case as Atika Shubert explains is very much hardening public attitudes toward asylum seekers in Austria and beyond.
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ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The man who said he was guilty and said that he did it was an Iraqi migrant who is claiming
asylum. He has pleaded guilty. His sentencing however has been suspended because they are still assessing the psychological state of the victim.
It is a horrible crime. It's the worst nightmare for any parent and as you can imagine a very emotional issue form any Austrians.
It's not just Austria who is concerned. We know of several incidents of assault in public swimming pools here in Germany, and of course, there was
that massive assault, sexual assault in Cologne in New Year's Eve.
So these kinds of incidents have fuelled the kind of fear and anger that has caused politicians to take these very dramatic decisions against
refugee policies.
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GORANI: Atika Shubert in Berlin. Some revealing new details have surfaced from the investigation into the death of music legend, Prince.
A law enforcement source says prescription opioid medication was found on him and in his home outside of Minneapolis. Now, the drugs opioids, these
are essentially painkillers and strong ones in some cases.
Stephanie Elam joins me now live outside the late singer's state in Minnesota with more details on what we know. What more do we know about
the prescription drugs found on Prince the day that he died?
STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, what's the most interesting part about this, Hala, is not that they found these really powerful prescription
drugs, but the fact that at this point, the local authorities have looped in the Drug Force Administration to get their help on this.
That's because they want to find out who was prescribing these drugs to Prince, where he was getting them and whether or not it was interacting
with something else he may have been taking and whether or not he was over prescribed.
This is interesting to note as well because you may remember about a week before Prince passed away, he had -- his plane had to make an emergency
landing on the way back from Atlanta to his home here in Minnesota because of an unresponsive male.
We now believe that that was Prince. The authorities saying they do believe that he had had a reaction to these prescription painkillers and
that he was treated for that. It could have been an overdose at that point.
So now at this point, authorities want to see if these two incidents are related and whether or not, there was a larger problem here -- Hala.
GORANI: All right. Thanks very much, Stephanie Elam there in Minnesota with the very latest on the investigation.
Now, investors are rushing to Facebook boosting its share price to a record high after the company reported results that smashed the expectations.
Cristina Alesci joins us from New York to run the numbers. So what fuelled these good results?
CRISTINA ALESCI, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT: It just was not the fact that they beat expectation. It was the year over year increases that were just
incredible. If you look up revenue, it was up 50 percent. Profit was up 200 percent.
This is just an incredible growth story and Wall Street loves growth and we are not even just talking about the path of the last quarter.
When I talked to investors and analysts, they are really positive on the company's future and that's for a couple of reasons. They have seen mobile
advertising going up.
Users on mobile increased 20 percent year over year. They say more video is being shared on Facebook, you can get bigger ad dollars for that.
People are spending more and more time on Facebook whether it's on the mobile phone or on the desktop. The company said 50 minutes a day people
are spending on Facebook.
That's a tremendous amount of time if you just think about the amount of time that you spend working out or at the office. It's a full close to an
hour is a tremendous amount of time and an opportunity for the advertisers to get in front of those people is just an incredible opportunity.
And I covered the Facebook IPO in 2012 and I remember people laughing because if you remember, the stock tanked 50 percent in the months that
followed its IPO and now Mark Zuckerberg is laughing all the way to the bank.
GORANI: Right, but then you have other social media platforms like Twitter where there was hope that the platform as well could generate growth,
revenue and increase its user base. That has not happened so easily for them.
[15:25:05]ALESCI: Yes, Facebook's results stand out in the face of social media -- well, something that we use professionally a lot. Twitter did not
do so well this week. They have a real problem.
Twitter has a problem really being user friendly for the average person. It's not Facebook. Twitter is for the professional news junkie. It's for
stars that want to get news app and talk to their fans directly.
It doesn't not have the kind of mass appeal. People are not sharing their family pictures on Twitter. It's a completely different platform. They
really have to simplify it if they want to broaden the reach.
Another thing that's not being talked about is that Google must be nervous because it has been the dominant player in online advertising for years
now. Seeing Facebook grow like this and potentially take some of those ad dollars away from it, has to make Google very nervous.
People are also rosy about Facebook because of Instagram. They think the company will be able to continue to monetize Instagram and remember
Facebook has also made an investment in a very sexy area of virtual reality in Oculus. A lot of things going forward for the company. We'll see if
they can keep up the pace of growth.
GORANI: All right, we'll see. Cristina Alesci, thanks very much covering that important story from the world of the tech and for investors holding
Facebook shares. Not a bad day. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
Coming up, the United Nations says the ceasefire in Syria, quote, "hangs by a thread." Fighting and bombings are intensifying. I will speak to a
senior U.N. official about the situation.
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GORANI: A look at our top stories. It's all a matter of time before it unravels completely while the United Nations says rebel and government
fighting in the Syrian city of Aleppo has reached catastrophic proportions after 50 people died when a single air strike hit a children's hospital
late Wednesday in rebel-controlled areas.
That is according to Doctors Without Borders. It supported this particular hospital called (inaudible) in Aleppo. Russia is saying it was not
responsible for this strike, though, some are pointing fingers that way.
A blistering attack on Ted Cruz by a former congressional colleague also in our top stories. In a Stanford University interview, the ex-House Speaker
John Boehner called Cruz, quote, "Lucifer in the flesh."
He also called the Republican presidential candidate a miserable son of a "b." I cannot fully say on-air. Cruz said that he never worked directly
with Boehner.
[15:30:03] GORANI: A land slide of trash has killed at least two people in Guatemala City, more than a dozen others were injured.
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GORANI: Heavy rain caused the garbage at the City's public landfill to slip burying the victims.
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GORANI: North Korea has fired two mid-range missiles just days after it attempted to fire a ballistic missile from a submarine. But South Korean
defense officials say the North's latest show of military bravado in the end was just that, and it failed. Will Ripley, has the latest.
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WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Uncertain times right now in this part of the world as South Korea, The United States, and others wait and watch
what North Korea's next move will be. Reports coming out of South Korea from the defense ministry that North Korea tried on Thursday to launch not
one, but two mid-range missiles on the same day. One Thursday morning, one Thursday evening both from the same naval base on the eastern side of the
Korean peninsula.
Now, this is significant the pace that North Korea is attempting to launch the missiles. You will remember over the weekend there was a missile
launched from a submarine that north Korea called a success. Even though South Korea says the missile only travelled about a tenth of the distance
it would have needed to be considered a success. And then you will remember on April 15th there was another attempted mid-range missile
launched that South Korea and the United States also say failed. I was in Pyongyang when that happened, the North Korean government never officially
acknowledged the failure and so far we have not heard any announcement on state media about these two apparent failed missile launches.
But remember from each failure North Korea scientists gain critical knowledge about the missile motors, their electrical systems, the payload
that they're carrying, the miniaturized nuclear war heads that North Korea claims to possess. And they also learn about the launch platforms, whether
it be missile silos or the submarine over the weekend, or these mobile launching devices that North Korea has been trying out as well that would
allow them to move the launch location around the country with limited detection from spy satellites overhead.
Supreme leader, Kim Jong Un clearly ramping up his country's military efforts. In January he ordered a purported H-bomb test. In February a
satellite launch and then all of these missile launches and projectile launches. And we are just one week away now from perhaps the most
important political gathering in North Korea in some 35 years.
The Workers Party Congress the first since 1980 where the young leader is expected to shake up party leadership, consolidate his power and apparently
maybe trying to send a message projecting strength ahead of this very important political gathering.
What does this mean? South Korea says there's a real possibility that North Korea could now attempt a fifth nuclear test ahead of this Workers Party
Congress. Everybody watching very closely to see what the North's next move will be.
Will Ripley, CNN, Tokyo.
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GORANI: Let's return to our top story. Doctors Without Borders say 50 people were killed in a single airstrike on a hospital, a children's
hospital in Aleppo.
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GORANI: Now hospitals in Syria affiliated with the group have repeatedly come under attack. Seven have been bombed since the start of the year
killing dozens of people. At least 16 medical staff killed, 63 Doctors without Borders hospitals and clinics were bombed or shelled nearly 100
different times last year killing 23 Syrian health staff and wounding nearly 60 others.
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GORANI: This cease fire, the cessation of hostilities already shaky that provided a tiny window of opportunity for talks to take place appears to be
unraveling completely.
Earlier I spoke to Jan Egeland, he is the Special Advisor to Stefan De Mistura at the U.N. and he chairs the U.N. task force on humanitarian
access in Syria. I asked him how badly the situation was deteriorating.
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JAN EGELAND, U.N. TASK FORCE ON HUMANITARIAN ACCESS IN SYRIA: Very badly at the moment, we are getting in reports every hour now that civilians are
being hit and aid workers, and health workers are being hit by the new fighting, by the new bombardment. It could not be more at stake at the
moment both of the civilian population and for our own lifeline to the civilian population.
GORANI: And we understand a hospital was hit, children were hit. Doctors including a pediatrician was killed in rebel held Aleppo. What do you know
about that?
EGELAND: These are the reports that yes have been confirmed now and that's what I am saying in the catastrophe and the catastrophe is that health
workers and medical relief are so badly hit at a time when the civilian population is suffering so much, people are bleeding to death there's no
health workers to help them.
GORANI: But presumably - presumably authorities and the government and Russian aircraft know where these hospitals are. Are they intentionally
targeted?
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EGELAND: That is something I cannot say as an aide worker. I am now in the U.N. in Geneva, we just finished the humanitarian task force where the
message could not have been clearer to Russia, the United States, and the regional powers. They have to help us hold back the armed groups so that we
can do our work.
GORANI: Sorry, as a humanitarian aid worker do you not provide coordinates of these hospitals? MSF says in the past hospitals that have been targeted,
their coordinates were provided. Were these coordinates provided in this case?
EGELAND: As far as I know the coordinates have been provided. The last hospital that was hit was a -- was a MSF hospital. There has been hit,
Red Cross Hospital, Red Crescent Hospitals, these were well known and that is what is being discussed now in next door from where I am sitting in the
task force on the cessation of hostilities where all of these terrible breakages of the cessation of hostilities is being discussed.
GORANI: And the U.N. Envoy, Stefan De Mistura is going to Moscow next week I understand. Isn't this more urgent, doesn't any step that could calm the
situation need to be taken earlier than next week?
EGELAND: Well, the steps are being taken today and this night. This night he briefed the Security Council. We had the meetings today and in the
Humanitarian Task force of these countries. The cessation of hostilities task force is meeting as we speak. He is in contact with the parties all
the time and with all of the influential governments. And in addition he will later go to Moscow.
GORANI: Jan Egeland, you say that steps are being taken, but the bombings are still happening. What are the steps being taken that could produce
results -- actual results because that's not happening right now. Quit the opposite.
EGELAND: No, at the moment it seems that these parties are able and willing to do whatever they want. The government and all of the others.
But because there are -- Russia and Iran can influence the government. United States and others can influence the armed opposition groups. So
what we need is that Russia and the United States do what they did in February then this was ended. Then we started to do good humanitarian work
and that's was when we also got the cessation of hostilities that did largely hold until a few days ago.
GORANI: But so interestingly you're saying the government would be willing but they're being influenced by Russia. Is that what you're saying?
EGELAND: No, at the moment the government is not willing and the armed opposition groups are not willing. They can be willing, I think if there's
more pressure on them.
GORANI: But so you're saying there's not enough pressure put on them by Russia on the one hand and the U.S. on another?
EGELAND: Well, it's not - it's not effective enough at the moment. That's why it is unraveling as we speak. But all is not lost. I'm still hopeful.
We discussed today all of the convoys that we're planning for the next days. We can reach hundreds of thousands of people in the next days and
weeks. We just need an end to this fighting, and end to the bombardment, an end to the targeting of hospitals and targeting of aid workers.
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GORANI: Jan Egeland in Geneva, just a little bit earlier. And you can get the latest news, interviews and analysis from the show on our Facebook
page, Facebook.com/halagoranicnn.
Donald Trump is receiving some harsh feedback from around the world today on his American First foreign policy speech. Critics called it simplistic,
inconsistent, short on detail, sometimes contradictory but for Trump the only opinion that matters come from the American voters, that's what he
says.
We're joined now by CNN's Chief U.S. Correspondent, Jim Scuitto, and Washington Post Political Editor, Rebecca Sanderbrand. Thanks to both of
you for being on the program. Jim, let me first ask you about the foreign policy speech. So it was really sort of a repeat of what we've heard in the
past. The U.S. is being taken advantage of. He is going to make America great again, he will make sure America is respected et cetera et cetera.
Was there anything out of there that we haven't heard from him before?
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JIM SCUITTO, CNN CHIEF U.S. CORRESPONDENT: It was essentially Hala, a greatest hits from Donald Trump's stump speech when he refers to foreign
policy. A lot of the applause lines we have heard on the campaign trail were brought together yesterday. More of scripted event, a bit more of a
munitive event than the typical Trump campaign rally. But those comments li9ke we want to make the allies pay more. We want to stand up to ISIS, I'm
going to be tougher on ISIS. These kinds of positions weren't new but they came together.
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SCUITTO: And because they came together in a way really for the first time, foreign policy experts frankly from both sides of the aisle here Democrats
and Republicans had a chance to kind of measure them up and say well listen, some of these things aren't consistent. On the one hand he said
the Obama administration has not been good to U.S. allies, and he wants to do better. On the other side he said U.S. allies have to pay more whether
you're in Europe or in Asia.
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SCUITTO: He said that he wants to make the U.S. military strong again, but he had a long opposition there to U.S. military intervention saying we're
not going to do nation building anymore. So a lot of contradictory messages in there that were hard for some of the foreign policy experts,
you know whether on the hill or elsewhere to digest fully.
GORANI: And Rebecca how much does foreign policy play into this campaign? I mean we're on CNN International here and many of these topics are daily
stories that we cover extremely regularly. Does it really make a difference what positions some of these candidates take on foreign policy
in this particular race?
REBECCA SANDERBRAND, WASHINGTON POST POLITICAL EDITOR: Not necessarily to the typical voter. Right now Donald Trump has more than one audience and
one of them, one of the key audiences right now is reaching the Republican Party leaders and activists and officials who are still pretty skeptical.
You know we have seen him making this presidential push to put forth a more presidential aura.
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SANDERBRAND: You saw a bit of that in his foreign policy speech. He was reading off a teleprompter, he was a bit more muted, he left a few of his
greatest hits from the campaign trail off the agenda delivering it in a more muted tone. So he's trying to send the message that he can be
presidential. Of course the fact that he is still not being advised by most of the Republican Party's chief foreign policy thinkers was very
evident yesterday in the speech.
GORANI: And Jim, what are the big differences between Donald Trump the front runner and the runner up Ted Cruz in terms of the foreign policy?
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SCUITTO: Well, their foreign policies, they have some commonalities; there's a lot of talk about how America is not, in their view, respected in
the world. It has to be tougher more consistent. Both of them for instance criticize President Obama's nuclear deal with Iran saying that this is
(inaudible) in effect to America's adversaries. So in that sense there is a consistent message.
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SCUITTO: And also both of them have kind of one upped each other on being tough. You may remember Red Cruz's famous carpet bombing comment about how
he would respond to ISIS. Of course you had Donald Trump yesterday not offering specifics but saying listen, I'm going to be tougher and I'm the
only one they're going to respect. So there are some - there are some similarities there.
But Ted Cruz he comes from the senate, he speaks more in policy speak, and less in sort of stump speech, applause line style that Donald Trump has
been known to do.
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SCUITTO: And again, you know yesterday may have been more muted but the positions really haven't changed much from the campaign trail.
GORANI: Rebecca, I wonder, I mean if you could explain also to people who are watching from all over the world. Why is it that a portion of the
Republican electorate is responding so well to the notion that somehow America is getting bullied, it's getting taken advantage of, that it's and
paying more than it owes. When really the view from the outside is that America is still, and by far, certainly the strongest country, the richest
country with the most powerful military. Why inside the United States is this resonating?
SANDERBRAND: Well, you have a lot of strategists, political strategists in both parties trying to answer that exact question right now. You know there
are a lot of dynamics that play in this election and one of them of course, a big one that has very little to do directly with overseas but in terms of
the way it's perceived in the heartland perhaps does, is the change in the American lifestyle, the decline of the middle class economically. And
there's the sense among some working class Americans that perhaps America is being taken advantage of on trade deals. And so those are some of
Donald Trump's biggest applause lines on the trial. Bernie Sanders as well when he speaks about trade and making sure it's fair trade with the United
States.
So when you have Americans who feel kind of the economic pinch, a lot of times they're looking for someone to take the blame for that and oversees
the bill.
GORANI: And Jim, Hillary Clinton so would this be I mean a continuation of Barack Obama if indeed she ends up in the White House in terms of foreign
policy?
SCUITTO: In terms of foreign policy, no not necessarily. I mean certainly not a dramatic shift like you might have with a Trump if he were to win the
White House.
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SCUITTO: But Hillary Clinton in public has had harder line positions or more hawkish positions. For instance she was in favor of an earlier
military intervention, though limited in Syria than the Obama administration pushed for it. She was a champion of the military
intervention in Libya, something that the President initially resisted. A tougher line on China in some respects. So it would be - it certainly
would be a step though not a dramatic step.
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GORANI: Certainly more hawkish. And Rebecca, I want to ask you one last question that is not related to foreign policy, but about the Indiana race,
and we know how important that is for Ted Cruz who announced Carly Fiorina as his running mate. Just a quick look at the latest polling, Trump at
41%, Ted Cruz at 33%, John Kasich at 16%.
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GORANI: I mean if Trump manages those numbers in Indiana, is that really going to be it for Ted Cruz in terms of hoping to block him before the
convention?
SANDERBRAND: I mean it's already for some people when you look at the numbers past that point. As of now Ted Cruz has been mathematically
eliminated from the possibility of a first ballot nomination. If he's not able to not just make up the gap with Donald Trump, but to significantly
gain on him and have an overwhelming victory, the odds of being able to stop him on the first ballot, practically vanish.
GORANI: By the way I wanted to tell the viewers about Newt Gingrich, the new U.S. speaker of the house, also himself a Republican presidential
candidate. Now he, and this is a question about how much Washington elites, or the Republican elites are warming to Trump.
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GORANI: Now Washington some people mocked Donald Trump for mispronouncing the word Tanzania. Newt Gingrich tweeted "Washington elites mocked Trump
for mispronouncing Tanzania. They don't get it, he said the most important word correctly, America. He gets it."
So Rebecca what's going on there because you have some very top level Republican Party elites and officials who are aligning themselves now with
Donald Trump.
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SANDERBRAND: Absolutely you're seeing this push pull in the party. You're seeing on the one hand right now some officials, some senators coming out.
You heard of course New Gingrich who has been speaking out in favor of Trump before saying it's time to rally to the side of the person who is
most likely to be the Republican nominee. And at the same time you have people like speaker Boehner, former speaker Boehner who are increasingly
vocal about the fact that Trump is absolutely unacceptable to them. So you're seeing a hardening of positions on both sides.
GORANI: Okay. Washington Post political editor, Rebecca Sanderbrand and our own chief U.S. security correspondent, Jim Scuitto. Thanks so much to both
of you for being with us this evening. We're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. Stay with us.
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GORANI: In Afghanistan, a former NATO military base is being put to a very different use. It is a large and heavily fortified rehab center now for
the country's heroin addicts. Nick Paton Walsh takes us inside Camp Phoenix.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Day one in a prison that might just set you free. These new arrivals are heroin addicts
beginning rehab. Delivered by desperate families or grabbed by police from the street, men who have hit rock bottom on Afghanistan's biggest export.
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(Inaudible) cigarettes and phones are banned in the coldest turkey imaginable.
I have pain all over my body he says and I'm so exhausted that if I had a knife I would cut myself apart.
Take a step back here and there's one big oddity, they're getting rehab in what was once, just months ago, NATO military base. Walls built to keep
the Taliban out now keep addicts in.
NATO left quite a bit of chaos but also many huge sprawling bases like this, places the Afghan Army simply haven't got the money to maintain in
full so there must be some comfort that the exorbitant cost of the NATO campaign here that didn't really make a dent in the problem of heroin in
Afghanistan well the resources of behind it can get put to use to help ordinary Afghans.
Withdrawal can be deadly. Here what once costs Army's millions like fiber optic wiring can kill the most desperate patients trying to hang themselves
from it or even burn down their rooms. Sometimes they fight, sometimes they just shiver.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In danger because of the opium traders they give us warning of any (inaudible) economy. There will be discredit so that's why
they are trying to enter the (inaudible) inside the hospital.
WALSH: But even in the wreckage of America's longest war money is limited. They just let out as many patients each day as they let in back into a
country with its own sense of withdrawal where the west departure has left poverty and despair of the unknown.
Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Kabul.
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GORANI: We'll be right back with a lot more, do stay with us.
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GORANI: Remember all those celebrities carrying tiny little dogs in their handbags that was kind of a fashion, a fad at one point.
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GORANI: It became a global trend after stars like Kelly Rollen, Paris Hilton, Brittney Spears, they made it a fashion statement in a way like it
was actually an accessory. Well the trend is taking a sour turn because remember these are actually living animals.
Here in the U.K. animal shelters are reporting an alarming rise in the number of abandoned handbag dogs and animal care inspectors are warning
small dogs are not an accessory.
MELANIE FISHER, ROYAL SOCIETY PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS: They are not there for your Instagram photos or for raising your profile on
Facebook. They're there as a creature to be loved for and cared for same as anything else. So you need to bare that in mind.
They aren't cheap to buy and they aren't cheap to keep because they're going to need the same veterinary attention and food and dietary
requirements as any other dog. So you need to make sure that you're selecting for the dog because you want a dog not because you just want a
few Instagram pics.
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GORANI: Well, a tip for anyone considering adopting one of these little dogs, don't hug them. Jeanne Moos reports, dogs hate hugs.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There is nothing like a doggy hug to tug at your heart. But is it mutual. Let's ask the owner of special agent Maxwell
Smart.
Now, do you think he does love it when you hug him?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know he does.
MOOS: Good thing Maxwell isn't smart enough to read Psychology Today. The data says don't hug the dog.
Supposedly dogs hate it when we hug them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Really? Not this one. He's a lover, not a fighter.
MOOS: But according to a new study almost 82% of dogs show at least one sign of stress while being hugged. Some of the signs, ears down, head
turned to avoid eye contact.
UNIDENTIFIED: Can I hug you sweat heart? Can I hug you sweat heart?
MOOS: Submissive eye closing, lip licking, anxious yawning. When psychology professor and dog author, Stanley Coren looked at 250 photos
from the internet of people hugging their dogs, four out of the five of the dogs showed stress.
STANELY COREN, PROFRESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA: The internet is filled with pictures of happy owners hugging stressed dogs.
MOOS: Professor Coren says dogs evolve so that their main means of defense is to run away. What does a hug do? Immobilizes them.
So if you hug him, what does it do?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She runs away.
MOOS: Professor Coren compares hugging a dog to what one of his aunts used to do.
COREN: She came over and grabbed both of my cheeks and said, oh you're so cute. Well I mean it hurt, and I didn't like it all.
MOOS: But dog owners aren't buying it.
Does your dog like to be hugged?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He does, yes. He likes to kiss as well.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When I hug him he leans into me and he seems to be very happy.
MOOS: Maybe they're just part of the approximately 8% of dogs found to be comfortable getting hugged.
But even Max would probably prefer bologna to a hug.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
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GORANI: I know a few humans who prefer bologna to hugs. This has been "The World Right Now," I'm Hala Gorani, thanks to all of you for watching, I
will see you same time, same place tomorrow. "Quest Means Business" is next.
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