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Police: Two Killed In Shooting At UCLA; LAPD Chief Says Shooting Was A Murder Suicide; "Leave Campaign" Proposes New Immigration Policy; New Front Opens Against ISIS In Syria; Signal From EgyptAir Black Boxes Detected; Trump University Controversy; Migrants in Limbo in South Korean Airport; Leave Campaign Proposes New Immigration Policy; Cincinnati Zoo 9- 1-1 Call; World's Longest Tunnel Opens in Switzerland. Aired 3-4p ET
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[15:00:03] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Actually standby, Stephanie, we're going to go to Evan Perez, our justice correspondent, who has some new
information. Evan Perez, what are you learning?
HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: All right, welcome, everybody. I'm Hala Gorani. I want to update you on that breaking news out of Los
Angeles.
We begin with that dangerous situation unfolding right now on the campus of UCLA. That American university. Police say two people have been shot and
killed. They've confirmed this.
Reports were a little bit sketchier earlier, but according to police sources, two people killed inside the Engineering Building at the
University of California in Los Angeles. The campus is still on lockdown.
You are seeing new images now of police officers searching the campus inside the buildings. The Los Angeles police chief says one of the two
victims may fact have been the shooter, that that is a possibility, though it is not confirmed.
The facility is located in a very densely populated part of Los Angeles, so you can imagine that security forces and officials are saying, listen,
this situation is still potentially unfolding, you want to be as safe as possible and shelter in place, especially if you are on campus.
This is the final week of classes at the university. Commencement is next Friday, June 10th. People are taking final exams. Kyung Lah joins me now
live from Los Angeles with all the very latest. What can you still us on this still developing story, Kyung?
KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): I can tell you how it all unfolded, Hala. We got first reports little bit more than a couple of
hours ago. There was an alert from the university telling students to shelter in place.
The campus was going to be on lockdown, that there were multiple reports of shots being fired in or around the engineering building. This is a
building that's right in the center of campus.
Students were told to not leave where they are, to avoid the engineering campus. We've seen a tremendous police response. Officers from the
university police as well as the LAPD arriving in full force.
We have seen them carrying long guns. They are working their way through the various buildings. They are trying to clear each floor. This is a
massive job and they are right now still trying to figure out what was happening that led up to this shooting.
We're talking to a number of students that are still inside all of the buildings, all of the rooms in this university and they are telling us that
they have not been told to exit, that they are still in place.
We are getting some new reporting from CNN justice correspondent, Evan Perez. He is he hearing from investigators, from his sources telling CNN
that this does appear to be a murder/suicide, that that is one of the theories that investigators are looking at.
We do know that there are two victims who are deceased according to the university, as well as LAPD. Those two victims are male and we are hearing
from our justice correspondent that this may be a murder/suicide.
If that is indeed the case, if one of the victims is the shooter, that will change much of the dynamics on campus. Right now the entire university, as
well as UCLA Medical Center, remains on lockdown -- Hala.
GORANI: You are saying Evan Perez, our justice correspondent, reporting that potentially this is one of the avenues being explored, but still
though telling students at UCLA -- we are talking 43,000 students, plus staff and workers on campus, to shelter in place, means they're not
100 percent sure that they believe there potentially still might be some danger on campus.
LAH: Absolutely. What we've heard from people who are still on the campus who have barricaded their doors that they have not been told that they can
leave. The entire university, which is in a very dense section of Los Angeles on the west side of Los Angeles, has ground to a halt, including
the medical center.
This is the Ronald Reagan Medical Center. It is a Level 1 trauma center. People who are inside that trauma center have been told they can't leave.
So everything from the medical center to the university remains on lockdown. They have not been given an all-clear.
This is one of the avenues that the investigators are looking at. At this point, they have not come out and held a news conference to say that this
is what has happened. LAPD chief, Charlie Beck (ph) is on the scene here and we expect to hear much more news soon -- Hala.
GORANI: We are expecting in fact in the next few minutes potentially in the next 15 minutes another update from the LAPD. Hopefully we'll get some
new information regarding this shooting.
Now we know that two individuals are dead inside the engineering building, that they are both male. Do we know anything about other potential
injuries, other people who may have been involved at this stage, Kyung?
LAH: The only reports that we've gotten, Hala, is that there are two victims, that they are both deceased, and that they are both male. That
is all we have heard. There's been nothing we've seen as far as other victims being transported to the nearby trauma center.
[15:05:02]We have seen ambulances that basically are sitting there, that there have been some gurneys that have returned to the ambulances. We've
not seen any victims coming out.
What we have been able to watch from some of our affiliate pictures is you are starting to see some students and staff it looks like that they are
coming out with their hands up in what is now a classic American scene when it comes to these active shootings on campuses.
It is a very sad thing about America that we now know how to behave when there is a gunman on a university campus.
GORANI: We know the journalists says well, we cover these pretty often as well, Kyung. Talk to us a little bit about the security forces deployment
here? Because it is impressive, by any standard.
LAH: By any standard it is. Then if you consider how densely populated this is, you will certainly understand why they have deployed so many
officers. Almost immediately, right after that tweet went out warning students to stay in place, shelter in place, aerial pictures that we got
showed dozens, dozens of police units from the university.
You would expect every campus officer would certainly respond to this but then the LAPD. The entire city of Los Angeles was put on tactical alert.
That doesn't mean that Los Angeles was shut down.
But that does mean that every police officer is told to be on a higher state of alert because they weren't quite sure what this was.
Because of the incredible population density of UCLA, because of the west side, because of, frankly, how difficult it is to get to, LAPD has a
massive problem if they have a gunman on the loose. So that is why they've had such a tremendous response.
GORANI: All right. Kyung, we are expecting, as I mentioned to our viewers, a press conference by the LAPD any moment now. Just to put some
context around this story for our international viewers, what is the campus like?
Because this isn't just a couple of buildings inside of an urban environment. It's very big, it's sprawling. So in order to police that
and check every building, this could be hours before --
We'll get to that in a moment. Do stay tuned. The LAPD is holding a press conference right now. Let's go to that for more information.
CHARLIE BECK, CHIEF, LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT: -- no continuing threat to UCLA's campus. We're in the process of releasing students from
lockdown, but we need to do so in an orderly fashion and in a way that allows us to make sure there are no other participants.
At that point, this investigation will be handed over to robbery/homicide division of the Los Angeles Police Department. The coroner will take
custody of the bodies and this will become a homicide investigation. I can't hear you.
The method of suicide is gunshot wound. I won't go any further. It is early in the investigation. Many, many questions are unanswered at this
point. But I think important thing for people to take away from this is that the campus is now safe.
The issue that has occurred has been contained. We are in the process of releasing the campus back to the students. They're in their finals. This
is a very stressful time for them and we are trying to alleviate that.
We do not believe there -- there is no evidence to support outstanding suspects at this point but we are, out of an abundance of caution, going to
continue our search of several of the buildings adjacent to the crime scene.
There is evidence there that could be a suicide note, but we do not know that at this point.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible question).
BECK: I do not know that. Two male adults.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chief, where did this happen? In a classroom? An office?
BECK: In a small office in the engineering building.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did they know each other?
BECK: We don't have the identities, nor would I release them until the coroner has verified that. So you can ask all the questions you want about
identity, but you're not going to get anywhere.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One gun recovered?
BECK: There was a gun at the scene.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was the dead at the scene or dead at the hospital?
BECK: They were both deceased at scene. UCLA PD responded to a report of three shots fired. We don't know if there were more than that, but at
least three.
All right, thank you all very much. There will be continuing information. The school will go about its business of re-opening. Thank you very much.
GORANI: That was the Los Angeles Police Department chief, Charlie Beck there confirming one of the avenues that investigators were looking at,
which is that it appears as though this was a murder/suicide at UCLA in the engineering department, in one of the engineering department buildings,
Engineering 4.
[15:10:04]And Charlie Beck also went on to say that at least there is some relief here for the students because the campus is in the process of being
released back to the students, that there is no continuing threat.
That the investigation is now being handed to robbery/homicide, that department at the LAPD, and that the situation is contained, and
importantly, that there is no evidence of any outstanding suspects.
Juliette Kayyem is our CNN national security analyst. She joins us live now via Skype from Cambridge, Massachusetts. Julia, I guess a sad
situation. It appears as though someone was shot, and then there was a suicide.
This all happened with a firearm. We understand that a gun was found at the scene, but at least there is no active shooter.
JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Exactly right. But as we saw over the course of the last few hours, they -- the UCLA police, with
the LAPD, have to assume that it is an active shooter scenario. That's why you saw this massive police presence.
I grew up on the border of UCLA. Its border, right? If you go for a run around the UCLA border, it is four miles. So it is a mini city.
So they probably just have to come on very strong, tell students to stay put until they knew what seems to be confirmed right now, that this is a
tragedy, but it is not going to get bigger.
GORANI: I understand even the president, Barack Obama, was briefed on this. Is that standard now for a campus shooting, that the president is
given a briefing at the White House?
KAYYEM: It's not always standard, but any time that there is an active shooter situation in particular at a university or college, public
university like UCLA in a major city, he will likely get briefed just so let him know that something's occurring just in case a reporter or someone
asks him about it.
But, unfortunately, that's the sort of default briefing standard at this stage because what we don't know in any of these situations is whether or
not they are ongoing or not.
I do have to say, having been part of a lot of these cases, I do reviews of campus safety active shooter. You saw exactly how it should unfold. You
need to protect the students. You tell them to stay put.
And figure out what's going on. It may feel like a big lockdown, but they needed to do it because there is really no way to secure that campus, how
big it is, how open it is. Unless you just tell people you've got to sort of lockdown.
GORANI: Right. Juliette, stand by. Harry Houck is a CNN law enforcement analyst, a retired NYPD detective and he joins us as well. So what do you
make of the response here? This was a pretty massive response.
We are talking LAPD, FBI, the fire department, everybody really went in when it was thought perhaps that there was a shooter on the loose here.
HARRY HOUCK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: You never know what you've got until you get there. So the fact that the -- this is standard procedure
now for active shooter incidents and it is also good training for the officers.
One of the key things here is that we had a shooting inside an engineering area which tells me right off the bat it is probably not going to be a mass
shooting.
Number two, whenever you got two bodies and a weapon left at the scene, it is more than likely almost every time a murder/suicide. All right? So I
think like the LAPD had said that there is no longer any kind of danger.
And that the students will probably be coming out of the lockdown very soon. But what they are doing is they are taking extra precautions just to
make sure there is that very, very slight possibility there might be another shooter involved.
I can't tell by being at the scene. But it does look like just like exactly LAPD said, it is a murder/suicide because there was a weapon found
on the scene.
GORANI: Right. That's what the LAPD chief was saying, in fact, Charlie Beck, that it appeared as though that is what it was, there was no suicide
note that they know of, but a gun was left at the scene.
I mean, you have all these departments. You have the fire department as well. When you see this type of response, this has become sort of a
familiar scene. I mean, sadly it has to be said.
We see the helicopter shots and everybody knows what to do and there is a complete campus lockdown. It seems as though the response is immediately
anticipating, Harry, the worst case scenario.
HOUCK: Right. Always expect the worse and thank God it's less. Fact is, just shows you that law enforcement has learned from the past and that
these situations are very well coordinated.
Federal authorities, state authorities and local authorities that have coordinated. You could see how fast the response in UCLA, which is a large
institution out in California.
Where they probably worked very closely with them in the past, probably had some active shooter drills in the past so that everything, the response
today, was almost perfect.
GORANI: All right, Juliette Kayyem, Harry Houck, thanks very much to both of you for joining us.
Well, it is a sad story, appears a murders/suicide took place in one of the buildings at UCLA.
[15:15:06]But the good news here, of course, if you can call it that at this stage, is that there is no active shooter, that it was not some sort
of shooting spree.
It appeared as though it was contained to that building according to the LAPD chief. So that brings an end to that particular development in
California. We'll bring you more if we hear more.
There is a lot more news to come this evening. Major headlines out of the UK as the "leave" campaign makes a big push.
And on the other side of the Atlantic, Hillary Clinton calls Republican rival, Donald Trump, a fraud. Strong words from her. We'll take a closer
look at her campaign's fresh tactics to take on the frontrunner. That's just ahead. Stay with us.
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GORANI: It's getting closer. In just a few weeks now, Britain will vote in a crucial referendum on its future in the European Union. Does it want
to stay in? Does it want to leave?
One of the key issues is immigration. Take a look at some of this video today. The man driving this bus is the charismatic former London mayor,
Boris Johnson. He is one of the vote "leave" campaigners who laid out a tough new immigration policy based on the Australian points system.
Here are some of the main points that the "leave" campaigners would like to see implemented. If the U.K. leaves the E.U., the automatic right of all
E.U. citizens to live and work in the U.K. would end.
Those looking to work or study would be admitted based on their skills and be suitable for the jobs in question. All those coming to the U.K. would
have to be able to speak, quote, "good English."
Let's get some analysis on this immigration proposal. Nic Robertson joins me now in the studio. The 23rd of January, that's 22 days away now for
this important historic vote. Boris Johnson was driving around in his bus in the country saying we need to leave the E.U. Are those proposal going
to sway the vote do you think at this stage?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Look, he sees -- the "leave" campaign sees immigration as the Achilles heel of the government.
David Cameron who is proposing that Britain remains in the European Union has sort of won, if you will the economic argument that we don't know what
is going to happen if we leave.
Therefore, stay. That's seems to be the winning argument. The security issue, Britain is better off safer with its good European allies and
counterterrorism better. That argument stuck a little bit to that.
Those are pluses for Cameron. But remember going back to his general election campaign last year, he promised to bring the immigration down to
tens of thousands, it's at hundreds of thousands right now.
That's why Boris Johnson and the others see this as his Achilles heel. That's why they are attacking on him because it equates in a lot of
people's minds to high immigration is harder to get the medical services you want, harder to get --
[15:20:00]GORANI: But is there evidence of this? Is there evidence of this? You can say these things but does the evidence back it up?
ROBERTSON: They don't necessarily have the evidence. That's what people are saying. People are saying, look, you're asking us to make a
monumental, a once in a lifetime decision here, and we don't know whom we can trust here.
We weren't sure about the economics but, OK, we're willing to believe you, David Cameron. The believe campaign can't give us figures and how can we
really trust your figures, and on this that the Australian points system is going to benefit us?
GORANI: What is that exactly?
ROBERTSON: Well, look, what Australia did was use a point system, which is to grade and say we have so many people we want to bring in to be lawyers,
I.T. specialists, so many geography teachers, et cetera, et cetera. They did it because they needed to boost immigration specifically and they
targeted people --
GORANI: With skilled workers.
ROBERTSON: -- with skilled workers. The idea here is that it works in reverse for Britain, which is that you only bring in the people that you
need. That's the principle. But, you know, it is a dynamic, fluid situation.
Who can say how the dynamics works? They're certainly not putting forward details like that. However, having said that, the criticism of the "leave"
campaign is that you put forward thoughts but not concrete ideas how to move forward.
Look, part of this, of course, because it is being laid out as a policy change -- part of this, of course, is the leave campaign challenging David
Cameron's leadership, specifically most people see Boris Johnson as challenging David Cameron.
I go back to the point, people are saying, we can't trust you. How with can we trust you? You are not giving us concrete figures. Some people
feel as if it is too much to ask of the populous. This is a decision that has huge implications that people aren't necessarily equipped to judge.
GORANI: You have polls for the first time giving the "leave" side a bit of a lead.
ROBERTSON: Really close to call.
GORANI: In fact, you saw the pound basically drop 2 cents against the dollar in just a few minutes when that poll came --
ROBERTSON: It's not as low as it was about a month ago, but it's on the way there. Yes. Look, this may be a sign of things to come. Who will
know where it will be going right before the 23rd of June if it is not far away.
GORANI: All right, well, it is really a historic vote and we'll be covering it every day and on the day, of course. Nic Robertson, thanks
very much.
Now to a breakthrough in Syria, desperately needed aid finally reaching civilians just outside of Damascus. A relief convoy entered the town today
for the first time since a siege by the government began in 2012.
Russia said it helped broker a temporary truce to allow aid deliveries to the rebel-held town. Further north near the Turkish border, a new front
has opened up against ISIS.
U.S.-backed Arab and Kurdish fighters are battling to retake the Syrian town of Manbij. It lies along a key supply route to Raqqa, the capital of
ISIS' self-proclaimed caliphate.
ISIS uses that route to transport supplies and reinforcements from the Turkish border. If that route is blocked now, bad news for ISIS. That's
an incremental development that could be in favor of those fighting the terrorist group.
ISIS also under fire in Iraq. The government now saying it is delaying an all-out attack on Falluja because of concerns for civilians trapped there.
Soldiers and allied militia men are surrounding the town.
However, they have not gone into the center just yet. Today UNICEF warned that 20,000 children are among all of those civilians. The U.N. says ISIS
is already using some families as human shields.
There's been a major breakthrough in the search for the wreckage of EgyptAir Flight 804. Investigators say a French naval vessel has detected
underwater signals from the plane's black boxes.
The flight data and cockpit voice recorders could reveal what caused the crash of the plane on May 19th. Now so far search teams have only found
small pieces of debris, some human remains and personal effects from that plane. Sixty six people were killed when the plane went down in the
Mediterranean during a flight from Paris to Cairo.
You're caught up on these other news stories. Now to U.S. politics. Hillary Clinton is using some strong words. She is not holding back. The
Democratic presidential candidate came out swinging against Donald Trump.
She after damning allegations about mismanagement emerged about his Trump University, this is what Hillary Clinton had to say about Trump just last
hour. Listen.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Trump and his employees took advantage of vulnerable Americans encouraging them to max out their credit
cards, empty their retirement savings, destroy their financial futures, all while making promises they knew were false from the beginning. This is
just more evidence that Donald Trump himself is a fraud.
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[15:25:09]CHURCH: Hillary Clinton there. Now Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, remember those guys? Those conventional Republican candidates have
all fallen by the wayside.
Now, Hillary Clinton is gearing up to face the man who may be the most unconventional candidate in American political history, and that is, of
course, Donald Trump.
And the Clinton camp is getting set for a fight using some of Trump's own tactics against him. Will it work? CNN's Sunlen Serfaty has this.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: As I say, Crooked Hillary -- Lyin' Ted -- Little Marco.
SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONENT (voice-over): Unfiltered.
TRUMP: It is Pocahontas, Elizabeth Warren.
SERFATY: Unpredictable.
TRUMP: I like people who weren't captured. He's not a war hero because he was captured.
SERFATY: And non-apologetic.
TRUMP: I mean, what I said is a 100 percent right.
SERFATY: Hillary Clinton is facing the definition of an unconventional candidate.
TRUMP: I would say that she started screaming at the teleprompter, but I'm not allowed to say that. You know why. Now if she was a man I could say
it, but as a woman --
SERFATY: Donald Trump forcing the Clinton campaign to rethink and rewrite their playbook. The new strategy, the question whether the billionaire has
the right temperament to be president.
TRUMP: What a loser!
SERFATY: One recent poll shows 70 percent of voters don't think he does.
CLINTON: Donald Trump is an unqualified loose cannon who cannot get near the most powerful job in the world. It is up to us to say no!
SERFATY: Team Clinton is trying to take down Trump by zeroing in on individual issues with simultaneous coordinated attacks, unloading not just
on the campaign trail.
CLINTON: Why on earth would we elect somebody president who actually rooted for the collapse of the mortgage market?
SERFATY: But also making Clinton more readily available for interviews, stealing a page out of Trump's own playbook, calling into TV programs,
including CNN's Jake Tapper.
CLINTON (via telephone): He's bragged for months about raising $6 million for veterans and donating $1 million himself. But it took a reporter to
shame him into actually making his contributions.
SERFATY: Doubling down on those attacks through social media --
TRUMP (via telephone): If there is a bubble burst, as they call it, you know, you can make a lot of money.
SERFATY: And with an army of campaign surrogates, fanning out in battleground states and on conference calls with reporters.
BRIG. GENERAL JOHN DOUGLASS, U.S. AIR FORCE (RETIRED) (via telephone): Donald Trump has never spent one minute of the kind of service that Senator
McCain has served for his country. So for him to disparage that service is despicable and disgraceful.
SERFATY: All this amounting to an aggressive and coordinated operation meant to flood the zone on one targeted topic alone and not see the news
cycle or any ground to Donald Trump. Sunlen Serfaty, CNN, Washington.
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GORANI: All right, more politics ahead. Some of the harshest criticism of Trump University is coming from people who knew it best. We'll see how ex-
employees of the school founded by Donald Trump are calling it a fraud and a total lie. We'll discuss that with our politics executive editor.
Plus, sleeping on the floor and eating only fast food buns. These are the conditions some people are enduring in a world class airport. We have
exclusive footage of refugees stuck in limbo in South Korea. Stay with us.
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[15:30:30] GORANI (voice-over): Welcome back. A look at our top story. Police say two men are dead in what they describe as a murder-suicide at
the University of California in Los Angeles.
They say the situation at UCLA is now contained and that students are not under any threat. The shooting happened at an engineering building on
campus.
In the United Kingdom, Vote Leave campaigners have published a tough new immigration policy ahead of the upcoming referendum on the European Union.
It would be based on the Australian points-based system and would require new immigrants to speak, quote, "good English" and have the skills, quote,
"for relevant jobs," unquote.
Investigators say a French naval vessel has detected underwater signals from EgyptAir Flight 804. The flight data and cockpit voice recorders
could reveal what caused the crash of the plane on May 19th. The main wreckage not found yet.
Now Al-Shabaab is claiming responsibility for an attack on a popular hotel in Mogadishu.
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GORANI (voice-over): This is -- take a look. This is the first video we're getting from the scene. Police now say at least 10 people were
killed. Two lawmakers are reportedly among those who were killed. The attackers set off a car bomb at the gates of the hotel and then they
stormed the building.
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GORANI: The U.S. president is touting the economic progress made since the start of his term. He's in Elkhart, Indiana, this hour.
A source tells CNN that Mr. Obama is also ready to wade into the race for the next president. He's going to go out there potentially in a more
significant way than he has up until now. In fact, he has not in any significant way so we'll see how that manifests itself.
Let's look again at that race now. "Unethical," "a fraud," "a total lie," that's what some former employees of Trump University, as it's called, call
the school that Donald Trump founded. Their scathing accusations are a part of court testimony in a class action lawsuit.
Drew Griffin has more on the documents just released and how they suggest the school was less in the business of education and more in the business
of making money.
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DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SR. INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The sales team playbook just released is the first time we've seen such a detailed
account of how Trump University was able to sell $40 million in what's alleged to be a worthless real estate course.
In these pages are details on seating, dressing, the use of power phrases and scripted answers to tough questions, like, "How much money will it
cost?"
"I'm glad you asked that question," the playbook script tells the salesperson to say.
"It takes money to make money. This is an invitation-only program. Most students who are invited into this program use established lines of credit,
like a credit card, utilizing the bank's money," the script says, "other people's money," to handle their tuition.
For people with no credit cards or have used up their limits, "Do you have any other seed capital or savings set aside to further invest into your
real estate projects?"
Another document instructs staffers to collect personalized information that you can utilize during closing time.
For example, are they a single parent of three children who need money for food?
Sales people were told to use that personal information, tug on emotions of potential clients and close the deal, preferably with a credit card swipe
for up to $35,000.
ERIC SCHNEIDERMAN, NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL: This is thousands of people who were taken for millions of dollars.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): New York's attorney general, Eric Schneiderman (ph), is leading one of three lawsuits against Donald Trump and his Trump
University, the lawsuits all basically the same.
SCHNEIDERMAN: There wasn't one piece of his pitch that was actually true.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): Schneiderman alleges it wasn't a university. Its teachers didn't teach any Donald Trump secrets.
DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And these were all people that are hand-picked by me.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): And, no, according to lawsuits, none of the instructors were hand-picked by Donald Trump.
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GRIFFIN (voice-over): Feicisimo Limon (ph) says he paid more than $26,000 for his Trump real estate course. He says he learned nothing and was
constantly pressured to buy even more.
FEICISIMO LIMON (PH), FORMER TRUMP UNIVERSITY STUDENT: What the heck are you talking about?
More money and I'm not learning anything?
GRIFFIN: You didn't learn anything in that class?
LIMON (PH): No.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): Drew Griffin, CNN, New York.
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GORANI: Let's bring in Mark Preston. He is CNN Politics executive editor and he's live in New York this hour.
So this Trump University thing, we see that Hillary Clinton is using that now. Clearly this is her strategy. She tweeted out a flurry of tweets
from her official account.
This is something that they feel maybe is a weakness here?
MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: They do. And what they're trying to do is to call into question his integrity and his morals and, quite
frankly, his honesty.
Donald Trump has declared, as our viewers all around the world know, that he is an unbelievable businessman, that he knows how to get things done.
And this Trump University really was a set of classes that he suggested or at least indicated that he would teach people who signed up for them the
secrets that he was able to develop and to hone and, they, too, would become successful.
And, clearly, from Drew's report right now and from the lawsuits, that's not necessarily true.
GORANI: But all that counts in this situation is whether or not it hurts him votes, whether or not it takes support away from him as a candidate.
PRESTON: Right. And we're looking and seeing what Hillary Clinton is doing right now is that she is trying to chip away at the integrity of
Donald Trump and trying to convey to voters that he would not be right person to elect as president.
Now I have to say, singularly, I'm of the mindset that this issue will not hurt him when looked at by itself.
However, if we continue to see issues like this or circumstances like this that build up over time, could this hurt him in October and November when
voters head to the polls, certainly at the beginning of November?
Then that possibly could happen -- Hala.
GORANI: All right. Now let's take a look at one of the latest polls. Because these are interesting: even though the U.S. electoral system is
different, it's not -- you know, it's sort of a direct universal suffrage system, but still nationally, if you look at this Quinnipiac poll, Trump
versus Hillary Clinton, 4 percentage points apart.
I mean, this is not what a few months ago I think people would have predicted necessarily. They would have thought the establishment candidate
would have much more of an advantage. Yet we are seeing them extremely close.
What does that tell us about the race going forward?
PRESTON: Well, a couple things. One is that both of those candidates on our screen, the presumptive nominee, Donald Trump, and the likely
Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, have very high negatives here in the United States. Voters are not very happy with either of them.
But Donald Trump, because he's been able to basically secure the Republican nomination, has been able to consolidate Republicans behind his candidacy
and that has helped his numbers.
We have not seen that on the Democratic side. Hillary Clinton's still battling for the Democratic nomination with Bernie Sanders. She's expected
to win it next Tuesday. However, she still is in this primary fight.
But, to your point at this moment in time, as we look at this national poll, Donald Trump is doing far better than any of us had ever expected --
Hala.
GORANI: But for him to in fact win the election, he would have to do much better than that even in states that are currently leaning Democrat. He
would have to flip those states, based on what Mitt Romney did last time.
PRESTON: Exactly. And if you were to just kind of visualize the United States -- the map of the United States in your head right now, Donald Trump
is trying to win the big mid-Atlantic state, Pennsylvania, and then to go west out to Ohio and then perhaps up to Wisconsin. All these states are
considered Rust Belt states, states that had manufacturing as businesses that have gone away and have been really hurt by U.S. trade deals or at
least that's what Donald Trump is saying.
He thinks that he can win these states. These are states that so far had been won by Democrats. For Donald Trump to win in November, he would have
to pick off these states. Quite frankly, there are other paths for are him to look at, that would be to win states out west, as well as win the state
of Florida.
But he's really had some trouble with these states, particularly states like New Mexico or Florida, which have high Hispanic populations and his
declaration to build a wall, Hala, has not gone over very well with Hispanic Americans.
GORANI: All right. Thanks very much, Mark Preston. Always great having you on the program with your analysis.
Now we've reported extensively on migrants and refugees fleeing Syria. The majority try to reach Europe but others are looking further afield. Some
have ended up as far away as South Korea. They're trying to build a new life there but dozens find themselves stuck at an airport in Seoul.
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PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Inchon (ph) Airport in Seoul repeatedly voted one of the best in the world.
But it's a place of limbo for these men, appealing against South Korea's decision to refuse them refugee status. Legal cases are ongoing so we're
hiding their identities. One of their lawyers says up to 180 --
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HANCOCKS: -- people are in this waiting area meant for 50. The justice ministry tells us there are only 116.
Many of them have been here for months.
No bags, no windows, a fast food burger and drink three times a day. The meat is not allowed. So most eat just the bread.
The man filming this is Mohammad (ph), one of 28 Syrians here. He's in his early 20s and fled Aleppo after his home was destroyed and the Assad
government called him up for his military service.
"It's impossible for me and my friends to return," he says.
"Some are running away from the army. Some running away from the government or military service. We ran because we don't want to be a part
of the war. We don't want to hold a gun."
The justice ministry rejected his application six months ago because he didn't come from Syria directly but from a safe country. He traveled
through Turkey and China.
Mohammad's (ph) lawyer tells me China forcefully repatriates North Korean defectors because they don't consider them refugees. And an amnesty report
claims Turkey has been banishing about 100 Syrian refugees a day since January.
The claim these countries are safe is illogical.
Mohammad (ph) says he decided to come to South Korea as he couldn't bring himself to try and reach Europe.
"I have friends who died in the sea," he tells me.
"I'm so sad about it. I just couldn't try, because I saw my friends and thousands of other people drowning in the sea."
HANCOCKS: The justice ministry declined our request for an interview and also for access to the would-be refugees, citing security concerns. But
they did say for those who didn't want to stay in this waiting room, they were able to stay in the transit area -- but at their own expense.
HANCOCKS (voice-over): As for the waiting room, the justice ministry says the airlines operations committee is responsible. BAOC is asking the
government to take responsibility and the lawyers say unhygienic conditions are making some of their clients sick.
Since 2014, hundreds of Syrians have been allowed into the country under humanitarian status. The justice ministry says they have no benefits
except basic health care and only three have been granted full refugee status in 20 years.
But for Mohammad (ph), he's still waiting to hear if he's even allowed to apply -- Paula Hancocks, CNN, Seoul.
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GORANI: Don't forget, you can get all the latest news, interviews and analysis on our Facebook page, facebook.com/HalaGoraniCNN. We'll see you
online and we'll see you after the break.
Because coming up, it is one of the most emotive issues in the debate over Brexit. That is immigration. The Leave campaign is proposing an
Australian-style points system.
What is it?
Why would anyone support it?
I will speak to former British foreign secretary Lord Owen, campaigning for the U.K. to leave the E.U. -- after the break.
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GORANI: As we told you earlier in our show, immigration is one of the key issues in the referendum debate here in Britain. Certainly for those who
say the U.K. needs to leave the European Union we'd be much better off outside of this political union.
Official figures released last week show that net migration into the U.K. is at the second-highest level on record. This is something that the Leave
campaigners point to when they say immigration is out of control.
Let's speak to Lord David Owen, he's a former British foreign secretary and he supports Britain leaving the European Union.
Thank you, sir, for being with us.
First, Lord Owen, you were a supporter early on of Britain integrating the E.U.
Why now become one of the faces of the campaign to leave?
Why do you think the U.K. would be better off venturing into the unknown?
LORD DAVID OWEN, FORMER BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY: Well, I don't think we're venturing into the unknown, we're returning to a situation which
we've had for many hundreds of years, a self-governing democracy. So what we've faced is we started with a common market. We moved to a community,
good neighborliness, trying to agree, and then we moved to a union.
And with that union came a decision to have a single European currency. Now in no area in the world have you every been able to have a single
currency that works without a single country.
And this Eurozone has now been in crisis for six years, is showing no signs of dealing with its fundamental problems, which is the capacity to shift
money from different parts of a country.
And all of our countries, United States, you give money to your poorer regions, West Virginia or coal mining areas or difficulties in the textile
industries. And the central government is able to, if you like, make things more equal and more system, more democratic.
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GORANI: But the U.K. is not part of the Eurozone. The U.K. controls its own monetary policy. It controls its borders. Nobody comes into the U.K.
without showing their passports. And if they are not E.U. citizens without a visa.
So why then is this issue of immigration, of centralized control that the U.K. doesn't have to abide by, such a big issue for the Leave campaigners?
OWEN: If you were tied in to a single market and if you are not part of the single currency, you are profoundly affected by it. And if there is a
collapse of the Eurozone or a big country like Italy can no longer live within these disciplines, you will find it impacting on your own systems
very considerably.
So let's stop this belief that we're not -- we're completely (INAUDIBLE). we are not.
And the second thing you said is we control our borders. We don't. There is an automatic right for all European member states, citizens, to move to
each other's countries.
Yes, because we're not part of Schengen you show the passport but it is very difficult to control. There is no real power of refusal. And if you
do refuse even an individual with a criminal record, it can go back to the European Court of Justice. So we do not have control of our borders.
And all of these things are beginning to make many British people very unhappy with the so-called democracy in which they live. And this is a
grassroots feeling that things have gone too far.
GORANI: But why "so-called democracy"?
Is there a single law that's been imposed on the U.K. that the U.K. has not wanted imposed on it?
I mean, can you point to a single piece of legislation from Brussels that the U.K. wanted to reject but was imposed on the country?
OWEN: Seventy-two times the British government has called for a vote on what they consider to be a very important major national interest. And 72
times they've been defeated. So that's the record of, actually (INAUDIBLE) a call by the British government.
But of course a lot of the time they compromise in the give-and-take.
But which other country would be prepared to do this?
You're in a trade agreement, NAFTA. That doesn't mean that you in America give up your right to control and make your own laws. And similarly for
Canada and similarly for Mexico.
It's a very unusual arrangement. And underneath it, there is a constant pressure to create a United States of Europe, similar to America. It took
you many, many decades before you could even agree and have a single currency.
GORANI: So you are ready, Lord Owen, to support the idea of the U.K. leaving the E.U. and put this country through two years of negotiations to
go over every single trade agreement, not just that the U.K. has with the E.U. but that the E.U. has with the rest of the world.
It took a small country like Greenland leaving the E.U. two years to do that and there are only 55,000 inhabitants in Greenland.
Do you think it is doable even?
OWEN: I do think it is doable. I think it is better not to have to do it and we would have preferred not to have to have done it.
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OWEN: And we've only come to this conclusion really because of the repeated failure of the European Union to grapple with the problems of the
Eurozone.
The United States has been begging them to make these changes. For the last six years, all your Treasury Secretaries have been pressing
particularly Germany but also the Netherlands to make these changes.
They cannot make them. And if you look forward, we're likely to be stuck with this mess for a considerable number of years.
Now we have to ask ourselves, do we want this direction of travel?
We were very happy in the European common market. We were reasonably -- and I believe I was personally very happy with the European community.
It's this big shift towards a single European state, which the British people have never wanted and, now seeing it, don't, in my view, will vote
not to stay with it.
GORANI: You mention the U.S. The U.S. also says the U.K. should stay within the E.U. I need to ask you one last question about British.
What would you stay to British people living in the E.U.?
It is not just a one-way street: 1.3 million Britons live in the E.U. Would you say to them, because, as a result of this referendum, if the U.K.
leaves the E.U., you have to pack your bags, the life you've made for yourselves in Spain, Portugal or wherever else, is now over, you have to
come home?
OWEN: I think we reached a reciprocal agreement, those E.U. citizens of France and other countries that are in here (INAUDIBLE) with citizens'
rights. And the same thing will apply to the others.
But we have to talk and discuss that. We're neighbors. We're friends. We're Europeans. We have to come to a different solution. They want far
greater integration. They want a degree of unity to the extent of having a single currency and eventually a single country. Good luck to them.
But we don't want that and we can reach amicable agreements if we wish to and settle down and try and make a rational decision.
So I don't have all this room -- after all, the government didn't have to have this referendum. This government chose to have this referendum. This
prime minister close the dates of it all. He said he was going to reform the European Union and he failed. You can't now suddenly talk about it
will be the Third World War. We had ludicrous claims which have been shown by the British people that they don't take --
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GORANI: All right. And we will be speaking to those who support, certainly, the U.K. remaining firmly inside the E.U. in the coming days.
Lord David Owen, thanks very much for joining us from London.
Coming up, what brought dancing construction workers and European leaders and some bizarre fluffy animals all together in the same place?
We'll explain -- next.
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GORANI: Well, the latest on the gorilla story that went around the world and went viral. The parents of the 3-year old who fell into the exhibit at
the Cincinnati Zoo say they have no plans to sue. Now you'll remember the dramatic images of a young boy being dragged by the gorilla.
Now the frantic 9-1-1 call, the emergency call placed by the child's mother, has been released. Listen to this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I need you to call (INAUDIBLE). I need you to call (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cincinnati 9-1-1, what is the --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, my son fell in the zoo at the gorillas. The Cincinnati Zoo my son fell in with the gorilla. There's a male gorilla
standing over him. I need someone to contact the zoo, please.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. We do already have that started.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We do already have help started there, OK?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, (INAUDIBLE).
Be calm! Be calm! Be calm!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How old --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Be calm!
He's grabbing my son. I can't watch this. I can't. I can't, OK, I can't watch, I --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How old is he?
How old is he?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I need to call my dad.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello?
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GORANI: That 9-1-1 call there with the frightened mother. That is something completely different.
Dancers, fireworks, yodeling?
European leaders all together, they attended the opening of the world's longest tunnel in Switzerland. Lynda Kinkade takes a look.
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LYNDA KINKADE, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Dancing construction workers, angels with giant heads. And whatever these things are.
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KING (voice-over): It's a surreal ceremony for the opening of what's being billed as Switzerland's construction of the century.
Leaders from Germany, Italy, Austria and France joined the Swiss president Johann Schneider-Ammann at the spectacle in Pollegio, Switzerland, where a
record-breaking 57-kilometer tunnel now cuts through the Swiss Alps.
The mammoth engineering project links the stations of Erstfeld in the north of Switzerland to Bodio in the south. Work on what's now the world's
longest and deepest tunnel started 17 years ago.
In 2010 an enormous subterranean drill smashed through the last few meters of rock. The newly completed tunnel is more than 3 kilometers longer
Japan's Seikan Tunnel and around 7 kilometers longer than the Channel Tunnel that links England with France.
Trains will zip under the Alps in just 20 minutes, reaching speeds of up to 205 kilometers an hour. When full operations start in December, it will
shave an hour off travel times between Zurich and Milan.
The speedier subterranean route does sacrifice an Alpine view. The Gotthard Tunnel bypasses the picturesque but slow Gotthard Line. But
tourists should not be disappointed. That winding route that crosses 205 different bridges will remain open.
With typical Swiss precision, the new $12 billion tunnel was completed on budget and on time, an impressive engineering feat that's cause for
celebration -- Lynda Kinkade, CNN.
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GORANI: I'm Hala Gorani. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is next.
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