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Trump Escalates Feud With Fallen Soldiers Family; Trump Steps Up Attacks On Clinton; Two Reports Of Gas Attacks In Syria; Olympic Torch Arrives In Rio On Wednesday; Security Beefed Up Ahead Of Olympics; Health Concerns Loom Over Rio Olympics; Billionaires For Hillary Clinton; Clinton Versus Trump On Foreign Policy; Father Vows Revenge For Social Media Star's Murder; Apple Replaces Pistol Emoji With Water Gun. Aired 3-4p ET
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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We are live from CNN London. Thanks for being with us this hour. This is
THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
Well, he was quite clear, and for the first time he said this in very strong terms. The American president, Barack Obama, has reacted to the
controversy about the Khan family at the Democratic National Convention and is now openly calling on Republican leaders to dump their own nominee.
As I mentioned and perhaps his most -- in his strongest terms yet, he has said that they should get rid of their nominee. Mr. Obama says the
Republican nominee is unfit to serve in the White House after Trump criticized the parents of a fallen Muslim-American soldier. Mr. Obama said
it is time for Republicans to say enough.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I don't doubt their sincerity. I don't doubt that they were outraged about some of the
statements that Mr. Trump and his supporters made about the Khan family.
But there has to come a point at which you say, somebody who makes those kinds of statements doesn't have the judgment, the temperament, the
understanding to occupy the most powerful position in the world.
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GORANI: CNN politics senior reporter, Chris Moody, joins me now live from Washington. So what has been the reaction to what President Obama has said
here? Because he in very direct language essentially called on the Republican Party to disavow their own candidate.
CHRIS MOODY, CNN POLITICS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Yes, a little context here. It's pretty rare to have a sitting president be so involved in a
campaign as President Obama has been. That's partly because most presidents at this point after two terms are pretty unpopular.
Obama is still doing pretty well, above 50 percent in his approval ratings. But this has been something that a lot of people have been poking at,
especially in the Republican leadership.
You have people like the speaker of the House or the majority leader in the Senate who are still technically Trump supporters, and yet they
continually, almost on a fairly regular basis, having to disavow things Trump has said.
Now lower in the ranking of Republicans, we've started to see people drop away from Donald Trump. A congressman from New York just announced that
he'll be supporting Hillary Clinton, the first Republican member of Congress to say that they'll do that outright.
We also a top aide to former primary challenger, Jeb Bush, down in Florida say that she will not be supporting the Republican nominee either.
So I think this is a question that President Obama has been asking that a lot of other Democrats will be asking, especially as Trump continues to say
controversial things.
They will be asking people like Paul Ryan, are you going to keep -- how can you keep supporting this nominee? And they're going to have to answer, as
long as they consider themselves Trump supporters, and they do, at least to this point.
PAUL: And Donald Trump seems to be delivering a controversy a day, sometimes two a day. The latest one is when a veteran handed him a Purple
Heart, which is awarded in the United States for extreme courage on the battlefield. This is what Donald Trump had to say about that.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There's something very nice that just happened to me. A man came up to me and he handed me his Purple
Heart. Now, I said to him, I said to him, is that like the real one or is that a copy?
And he said that's my real Purple Heart, I have such confidence in you, and I said, man, that's like -- that's like big stuff. I always wanted to get
the Purple Heart. This was much easier.
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GORANI: Well, you would think he would stay away from making comments about the military that are sort of -- that may sound flippant, right? He
walked right into one again. I wonder what the reaction has been there.
[15:02:08]MOODY: Well, we can't doubt the sincerity of the gentleman who gave him his pin. It certainly is very important to him. But for Donald
Trump to say that he always wanted one, Donald Trump was given deferments to not be drafted in the military, multiple times, and worked very hard to
avoid it.
He has not served. I think a comment like that, saying I always wanted a Purple Heart, but I never even moved to be part of the military, might
sound pretty tone deaf, especially to those who have served, especially in the context of this very strange, unusual argument he's been having with
the parents of a fallen U.S. Soldier.
GORANI: Let's talk about the latest CNN/ORC polls, the latest poll showing Clinton retaking a significant lead over Trump, she's a got a nine-point
percentage lead over the Republican nominee, 45 to 37.
The Libertarian and Green Party candidates are far behind, with nine and five. But here is what's interesting, and I want to share with our
viewers, Chris, when it comes to foreign policy, 59 percent of registered voters say Clinton would handle international relations better than Trump,
who polled at 36 percent.
So is this good news for -- it is good news, but how good is it or positive is it to the Hillary Clinton campaign at this stage right after the DNC?
MOODY: Well, that particular data point is unsurprising. Hillary Clinton, a former secretary of state, spent a lot of time all around the world, has
been making that a major part of her campaign.
There were actually quite a lot of bright spots for the Hillary Clinton campaign. It showed that they did receive a massive bump after their
convention last week in Philadelphia.
Certainly erasing any of the gains that Donald Trump might have made initially after the Republican convention. If anything, he really dipped
just a week and a half or so after that.
One dark spot for her is trustworthiness. It's still just about 34, 35 percent say they trust Hillary Clinton. That's a pretty low number. But
you know who has about the exact same number? Donald Trump.
So here in the United States, the candidates are not necessarily trusted or very well-liked. We're in quite an interesting place here with this
election.
But I think Hillary Clinton, moving forward over the next few months, is starting at a pretty good place for her campaign. And Donald Trump has
some space he needs to make up.
GORANI: Certainly. We'll see if she's able to hold on to most of that post-convention bounce. Thanks very much, Chris moody in Washington.
Always appreciate having you on.
Well, Trump of late doesn't seem to have kind words for anyone. His criticism of the Khan family is putting Republican leaders, as we've been
discussing, in a very uncomfortable spot. So what do they do now? Here's Phil Mattingly.
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TRUMP: He made a deal with the devil. She's the devil. He made a deal with the devil.
PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump ramping up his personal attacks on Hillary Clinton while criticizing Bernie Sanders
for supporting the Democratic nominee.
TRUMP: She picked a vice presidential candidate who is like the opposite of him.
MATTINGLY: And suggesting that if he loses in November, it's because --
TRUMP: I'm afraid the election is going to be rigged.
MATTINGLY: All as the ongoing feud between Trump and the parents of a slain Muslim-U.S. soldier, Captain Humayun (ph) Khan, escalates.
TRUMP: I have great honor and great feeling for his son, Mr. Khan's son, but -- and you know, as far as I'm concerned, he's a hero.
KHAZR KHAN, FATHER OF FALLEN U.S. SOLDIER: You can attack Muslims, attack judges, and nobody can question your character? Your length of empathy and
you want to be commander-in-chief?
TRUMP: I was very viciously attacked, as you know. When you have radical Islamic terrorists probably all over the place, we're allowing them to come
in by the thousands and thousands, and I think that's what bothered Mr. Khan in more than anything else.
KHAN: He says I am being severely attacked, harshly attacked. Well, this is political season. You're a candidate for an office and I have same
rights as you do.
MATTINGLY: The dispute rocking the GOP. Dozens of Republican leaders forced to come out in support of the Khans.
SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: We want to honor the families of those who have served and those who have sacrificed. All of us.
MATTINGLY: Trump's campaign bombarding their supporters on Capitol Hill with e-mails, urging them to back his position, but instead, getting the
cold shoulder.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our gold star families deserve our full and total support.
MATTINGLY: Emotions running high. At a rally for Trump's running mate, Mike Pence, a woman whose son is in the Air Force booed for bringing up the
issue.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Trump has disrespected our nation's Armed Forces and veterans, and his disrespect for Mr. Khan and his family is just an example
of that. Will there ever be a point in time when you will be able to look at Trump in the eye and tell him enough is enough?
[05:10:00]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's all right. Folks, that's what freedom looks like. That's what freedom sounds like, OK? I want to honor your
son's service to the country and your family's service to the country, I truly do.
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GORANI: We'll have a lot more U.S. politics a bit later. Now let's turn our attention to Syria. We're getting disturbing reports of two apparent
chemical gas attacks in the northern part of the country, the first in Aleppo, which the Syrian government is blaming on rebels.
Syrian state media are reporting five civilians were killed by shells believed to contain poisonous gas. The other was in nearby Idlib Province.
This video of alleged gas attack victims being treated was posted on social media.
Opposition activists say about 30 people were hurt. They blame Assad's forces for this attack, which they say involves what appeared to be
chlorine gas.
Let's get the latest, Arwa Damon is following developments from Istanbul. Talk to us first about these chlorine attacks in Idlib and Aleppo. What
more do we know?
ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, we know more about what happened in Idlib from the Idlib Civil Defense, otherwise known
as the White Helmets (ph) and they are saying that earlier today, in the late morning, there were cylinders that were dropped containing a gas that
smelled like chlorine.
CNN spoke to the photographer, a photographer for the White Helmets. When he was asked how do they know it's chlorine, he said, look, we've been
through this before. It's not the first time that we've been attacked.
This time it was, according to him, less pungent than attacks in the past, but the symptoms that people had were very similar, they were having
respiratory problems, some of their eyes were watering very severely, some were struggling to breathe.
Among those affected, Hala, were also women and children. Later on in the day, we then heard from the Syrian-Arab state run news agency that said
that in Aleppo there was, according to them, an attack by rebel forces that was also using some sort of a gas that additionally injured people.
This is just a very dirty war that is really spiraling every single time one thinks it can't get worse, Hala, it actually does.
GORANI: We're hearing reports of very high casualty numbers out of Aleppo as well, as the Syrian regime continues this push to try to control the
entire city. What more can you tell us about that?
DAMON: You know, what's of great concern is actually how high the number is going to be compared to what we know at this point, which is not very
much. According to Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, just in some neighborhoods in Aleppo in the last 80 days, 6,000 people have been killed
or wounded.
Earlier today, you also had rebel artillery that killed, in Syrian regime held areas, around 30 people, according to the Syrian observatory.
What has been happening is that once the Syrian military backed by the Russians managed to effectively put Aleppo under siege, the rebels launched
a significant offensive that resulted in what some are describing as the heaviest fighting.
But also what are they are describing as the heaviest number of air strikes carried out by the Syrians and the Russians. The issue is that over the
last week or so, once again we are seeing this trend of what many believe is the deliberate targeting of hospitals and other medical facilities.
That's forcing these medical individuals who don't even necessarily have a professional background to begin with, to move these makeshift clinics into
underground basements and bunkers.
Then, of course, there is the issue of humanitarian access. Now the regime has said that they've opened about three humanitarian corridors to allow
people to leave.
But the problem is just a fraction of 200,000 to 300,000 people stuck inside these besieged areas have actually left. Many of them saying that
they're concerned about what may befall them when they cross into regime- held areas, very little trust on the ground, Hala, as you know.
And the other issue that humanitarian organizations point out is that it's not just about opening humanitarian corridors especially people aren't
using them to get out. You have to open up corridors to allow food and medical aid in.
GORANI: Right, absolutely, with no end in sight to the misery. Thanks very much, Arwa Damon in Istanbul, following the story from Syria.
A lot more to come this evening, final preparations for the Rio Olympics are under way with just three days to go until the opening ceremonies.
We'll get the latest on the security, but also a health concern, live from Rio de Janeiro. We'll be right back.
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GORANI: Olympic organizers in Rio are in the home stretch after what's been a chaotic run-up to the 2016 games. The Olympic torch arrives on
Rio's shores tomorrow.
It is the final leg of its journey before the cauldron is lit at the Maracana Stadium on Friday. Officials have been stepping up security
across the city. Thousands of extra troops are being deployed for the event. About a third more than previously planned.
Let's get straight to Rio. Nick Paton Walsh is following that angle of the story. All right, so let's talk a little bit about why so many military
personnel are being deployed. This wasn't planned, at least not at these levels -- Nick.
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They always talk about 85,000 security personnel being deployed. But yes, the immediate,
sort of, street presence here, the better-trained military police have experienced today about a 30 percent spike in their numbers.
Now they are very visible where we are around here. This calls into question, Hala, what level of pre-thought has gone into this, if you are at
the last minute adding 30 percent to the security personnel you believe you need on the streets.
It betrays what many are worried about, the level of organization around this. You know, we are talking yesterday about the security screening at
some of the Olympic venues, how they hired a group to do that in early July, fired them barely four weeks later.
We're still speaking to the employees of that contractor, and they're still going to work, they understand at that moment, despite the government
saying that the military police would take over the job of screening the people going into the Olympic venue.
This process seemingly changing it seems little by little, each day they feel they need a little more here or there. That should comfort some
perhaps, but then broadly it calls into question the scope of their original master plan -- Hala.
GORANI: What is the concern here? I mean, is there a concern that there might be terrorist attacks, do they feel like the Olympics might become a
target? What is their primary concern with regards to security?
WALSH: Well, you know, Brazil's never really had a terrorism problem. Look at the scene behind me. That explains it pretty much all. We've had
petty crime and we've seen instances of people being targeted here like tourists often are.
But now with any international major sporting event, there is the fear of terrorism. People say, well, ISIS will never really going to threaten
Brazil. There have been tweets in the past, there are many ISIS fighters who speak Portuguese, the language here.
There has just now recently in the past few weeks been over ten people arrested for allegedly communicating on apps and perhaps pledging
allegiance some of them to ISIS.
So the signals are beginning there. That's got many deeply concern because you can't really plan a big event like this without taking that into
consideration.
People are worried about crime here, how that could amplify terrorist threats as well and whether or not the organization we've seen so far on
the streets is inclusive enough, that the intelligence is there, that the level of detail is there to stop any kind of attack.
This is a massive city where it's so easy potentially for a crack, some deranged and very dedicated individual to slip through -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, Nick Paton Walsh, in Rio, thanks very much.
Well, security issues and the Zika virus are grabbing headlines. There are other risks to keep in mind if you are going to Rio.
[15:20:03]The U.S. Centers for Disease Control advice against swimming in fresh water lakes and rivers because of risks of a disease caused by a
parasitic worm that burrows through skin and can cause organ damage. It sounds terrifying.
For those traveling outside of Rio, further inland, the CDC recommends getting vaccinated for yellow fever and taking preventive medicine for
malaria. Also make sure you travel safely, the CDC says motor vehicle crashes are in fact the number one killer of healthy people in foreign
countries.
By the way, that is the number one killer of healthy people in most countries around the world, as we take precautions against other risks, one
of the best ways to keep yourself safe when you're abroad is to simply wear a seatbelt.
Let's get more on some of these medical angles. CNN's chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta is also in Rio for us this hour.
Let's first talk about Zika, obviously, and concerns there. What is the latest on what athletes traveling to Rio or other parts of Brazil for the
games, how risky is it really for those athletes?
SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's a good question and I think there's been a lot of trepidation, if you will, Hala, over
this. But there's been studies that have come out now specifically addressing this, trying to figure out with the weather changes here, all
the preventive measures that have taken place.
What is the risk not just for the athletes but for all the people who are coming, the hundreds and thousands of tourists, we investigated that. Take
a look.
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GUPTA (voice-over): You're looking at an image from just last month, body parts on Copacabana Beach. It was a scene that couldn't have been
predicted seven years ago, when Copacabana Beach erupted.
The games were to be a legacy for Rio. In its bid, Brazil promised to clean up at least 80 percent of the sewage that was flowing into the city's
notoriously dirty water.
LUIS DA SILVA, FORMER BRAZILIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): This is a challenge for us and you can be sure we will not waste this chance at
history.
GUPTA: In fact, some of the city's most dilapidated quarters have been turned into green spaces. Here, public art is being spray painted on
walls, but the rest of the world is more concerned about this spraying.
(on camera): We know that Brazil is the epicenter of the Zika epidemic. And as the numbers continue to increase in Florida, experts are
continuously looking here to try and find some answers.
For example, we know that more than 1700 children have been born with Zika- associated microcephaly, a birth defect. We also know that 150 public health experts called for the Olympics to either be delayed or moved
because of concerns about Zika.
But I want to be clear about something. The weather is starting to cool here, even as it warms up in the United States and as a result, the threat
of infection is pretty low.
According to the University of Cambridge study, out of the hundreds of thousands of tourists who are likely to visit the Olympics, there will
probably be own one or two infections. But that still hasn't kept some of the athletes from dropping out of the games.
TEJAY VAN GARDEREN, U.S. CYCLIST: Honestly, if my wife wasn't pregnant right now, I would be going to Rio. I mean, my biggest concern is for the
baby on the way.
GUPTA (voice-over): Now remember, even if he went and then didn't show any symptoms, he could still be infected and potentially pass the virus on to
his wife. After all, only 20 percent of those infected have any signs of the disease.
But when it comes to athlete health, the concerns here are not just about Zika. Those promises of clean water, not in this bay, where sailors will
be competing for gold, and where trash and sewage continues to litter the surface.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every time you've got some water in your face, it feels like there's some alien enemy entering your face. So I keep my nose and my
lips closed.
GUPTA: His teammate believed the waters are the source of the multiple infections he contracted last year after racing in an Olympic qualifying
event. Last month, Brazilian scientists detected the super bug, CRE, in these waters.
MARTINE GRAEL, BRAZILIAN OLYMPIC SAILOR (through translator): Very little has been done and the measures that were taken were not done the way we
would have liked them.
GUPTA: Brazilian officials say the waters have met international standards. But then just one month ago, the WHO said that athletes may
become ill from this water. U.S. Olympic doctors are prepping their teams for such a situation.
DR. CLIFTON PAGE, U.S. SAILING MEDICAL ADVISOR: We have a number of medications that they can take prophylactically to avoid those illnesses
and to treat the illnesses as well.
GUPTA: Doctors on the ground have another concern.
DR. NELSON NAHON, CHEMEIU (through translator): If there were to be a big attack from abroad, we don't have the infrastructure to deal with.
GUPTA: Political and economic crisis have burdened local hospital, even under normal circumstances, waits for emergency surgery can be as long as
six days. But Rio's mayor says the game's legacy will not be a shadow on Rio.
[15:25:10]EDUARDO PAES, RIO DE JANEIRO MAYOR: Don't come here expecting everything will be perfect. This is a country with lots of inequality with
all the problems that we've seen. But the city will be much better than it was when we got the games.
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GUPTA: So I think it's safe to say, Hala, I don't think Zika is going to be as big a concern down here because of the winter months as people
thought.
That water, on the other hand, as beautiful as it looks, there has been concerns about it carrying these super bugs, super bacteria. That's
something that athletes will be dealing with, trying to prevent those infections from taking any kind of hold -- Hala.
GORANI: All right. Well, that water issue, by the way, I mean, it does appear as though it's a major concern. But back to Zika, and outside of
Brazil, authorities are advising pregnant women not to travel to certain parts of Florida because of these declared cases. What's the latest on
that? Also, importantly, can they contain it to those parts of Florida where it's been spotted?
GUPTA: Well, the latest on that is, we're talking about a square mile area where, just as you said, Hala, pregnant women are being told not to travel
there. If you're thinking about getting pregnant, don't travel there.
They say if you're pregnant and have traveled there since June 15th, you should get tested, because Zika may have been spreading as far back as June
15th.
I think this is not an infection I think that's going to spread widely or quickly in the United States. The mosquitoes that carry Zika already live
in the United States, but only in certain parts.
South Florida, from what we're hearing here, South Texas, Louisiana, places like that. They don't travel as far north. Also simple measures like
screens on windows, public buildings that have climate control, those things make a big difference.
The same mosquito carries dengue, as you know, Hala, and we only see sporadic dengue outbreaks in the United States. I think Zika is probably
going to follow the same pattern.
GORANI: Are all women infected with Zika who are pregnant, will their children necessarily develop abnormalities or can they be born healthy?
GUPTA: No, they can be. I'm glad you asked that. In fact the majority of children who were born, even if the mother has a Zika infection, will not
have these birth defects. I think depending on various studies it's anywhere between 1 percent and 10 percent.
So it is a risk. It is a physical risk. It is an emotional risk, as you might imagine, the not knowing, Hala, and then these mosquitoes, these
invisible predators possibly causing this.
But still, to your point, the vast majority of women, even if they do get a Zika infection, will not have the issues with these birth defects.
GORANI: Certainly, though, it's scary, and understandable that women might not want to travel to those areas. Dr. Sanjay Gupta in Rio de Janeiro,
thanks very much for joining us live with the latest on those angles.
To France now, thousands of mourners have gathered for the funeral of the priest murdered last week in his own church, 86-year-old Father Jacques
Hamel was killed as he said morning mass in Normandy by two men who claimed the attack in the name of ISIS. His niece, at the service, they spoke
movingly about Father Jacques.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): After "Charlie Hebdo," I wrote, "Oh, my God, let us protect, keep tolerance and discernment. I did not
expect to see that sentence having to be applied strength and conviction, but I will do it and I will succeed, for you, for what you were, for what
you are, what we were, what we are. Like you, I choose to respect, like you, I choose love.
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GORANI: Still to come, battle of the billionaires. Several ultra-rich businessmen are taking on fellow billionaire Donald Trump after casting
their lot with Hillary Clinton.
Also ahead, two very different visions of the world. We'll compare and contrast the foreign policies of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump when THE
WORLD RIGHT NOW continues.
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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: American president, Barack Obama says Donald Trump is unfit to serve as president and he says it is time for
Republican leaders to dump their own nominee. This comes after Trump criticized the parents of a fallen American soldier.
Also among top stories we're following, two chemical attacks have been reported in Northern Syria. In Aleppo first, the Syrian government says it
was rebels that carried out a gas attack that killed five people.
In nearby Idlib Province, opposition groups are accusing Syrian regime forces of using chlorine gas on civilians. They released this video. They
say it shows victims being treated for chlorine gas inhalation.
Rio officials are stepping up security across the city with the Olympics now just three days away. Fourteen thousand additional troops are being
deployed for the games. That's about a third more than previously planned.
Also we were discussing that thousands of mourners in France have gathered for the funeral of a priest who was murdered in his church while delivering
mass. He was 86-year-old. His name was Jacques Hamel. He was killed as he said morning mass in Normandy by two men, who claimed the attack in the
name of ISIS.
Hillary Clinton may be quite wealthy, but she doesn't have billions of dollars like Donald Trump says he has. But Clinton does have an increasing
roster of high profile billionaires in her corner, one of them Warren Buffett, the fourth richest person in the world, is even offering to
personally drive people to the polls to get out the vote. Jeff Zeleny has more.
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JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Hillary Clinton arm in arm on the campaign trail with billionaire, Warren Buffett.
The 85-year-old oracle of Omaha unleashing a scathing attack on Donald Trump.
WARREN BUFFETT, CEO, BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY: I really have never known another businessman that brags about his bankruptcies. Why not? It's his claim to
stardom. I don't know anybody else that's had six bankruptcies, but there he is.
ZELENY: Buffet condemning Trump for refusing to release his tax returns.
BUFFET: He says he can't do it because he's under audit. I have news for him. I'm under audit too. I would be delighted to meet him any place, any
time, between now and election. I'll bring my tax return, he can bring his tax return. Nobody's going to arrest us.
ZELENY: The billionaire investors forcefully rebuking Trump's attacks on the Muslim parents of a soldier slain in Iraq.
BUFFET: How in the world can you stand up to a couple of parents who have lost a son and talk about sacrificing because you were building a bunch of
buildings? I ask Donald Trump, have you no sense of decency, sir?
ZELENY: Buffett is the latest in a string of billionaire businessmen to speak out against Trump, part of Clinton's strategy to discredit Trump's
record. Last week, at the Democratic Convention, former New York City mayor, Michael Bloomberg, questioning Trump's competency.
MICHAEL BLOOMBERG, FORMER MAYOR, NEW YORK CITY: I'm a New Yorker. I know a con when I see one.
ZELENY: And Saturday, billionaire entrepreneur, Mark Cuban, in his hometown of Pittsburgh, calling Trump crazy.
[15:35:02]MARK CUBAN, DALLAS MAVERICKS OWNER: Leadership is not yelling and screaming and intimidating. Right? She knows.
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GORANI: That was Mark Cuban there with a lot of rich men lining up behind Hillary Clinton. Clinton is also getting a boost from a new national poll
that shows her with a nine-point lead over Trump. Of course, keep in mind we're months away from the election, 98 days.
Here's the CNN/ORC poll, it also indicates Americans have more faith in her foreign policy, 59 percent of registered voters said, Clinton would handle
international relations better than Trump, who polled at 36 percent, though on terrorism, they are neck and neck.
Let's talk specifics now about their different approaches to foreign policy. We're joined by Nigel Sheinwald, a former British ambassador to
the United States, who I'm sure has met and knows Hillary Clinton, and of course, is familiar with political circles in Washington, D.C.
I've got to ask you first of all, when you hear some of these proposals coming from Donald Trump, for instance the interview he gave to "The New
York Times" where he said NATO shouldn't necessarily have to come to the rescue of a country that doesn't pay its bills if Russia invaded, say, a
Baltic state. What are some of your initial reactions to what you've been hearing?
NIGEL SHEINWALD, FORMER BRITISH AMBASSADOR TO U.S.: I think there's a lot of concern here in Europe. Partly it's because Hillary Clinton is someone
that we in Western Europe and in Britain know extremely well. So her policies are well-known.
She's fleshed out her ideas on most of the big issues of the day. And with Donald Trump, it's the exact opposite. What we get is not really proposals
or policies, it's attitudes and foreign policy, international relations.
America's partners in the world, are, you know, part of the way in which he expresses this rejectionist view of the traditions of American foreign
policy and America's place in the world. So it obviously involves quite a lot of disquiet and uncertainty in an already pretty uncertain world.
GORANI: I want our viewers to listen to -- what we did was took two sound bites from Clinton and Trump, both on Russia and on how they would handle
ISIS. First I want our viewers to listen to what both candidates have previously said about relations with Russia.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We know that Russian Intelligence Services, which are part of the Russian government, which is
under the firm control of Vladimir Putin, hacked into the DNC. And we know that they arranged for a lot of those e-mails to be released. And we know
that Donald Trump has shown a very troubling willingness to back up Putin.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. I think you
will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let's see if that happens.
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GORANI: So, Ambassador, I mean, I don't think many people were expecting Russia to become the major point of disagreement between two American
candidates for the White House. What did you make of that?
SHEINWALD: Well, I think that's the problem. I think it's mixing up maybe a bit of fun, certainly domestic politics and domestic advantage, with
quite serious issues of foreign policy and America's place and leadership in the world.
And I think that's the difficulty that we face here, that Donald Trump is really taking up positions and posturing rather than putting forward a
coherent view of how America can exercise the leadership he says he wants to show in the world.
So America first becomes a sort of drawbridge behind which America sort of withdraws and pretends the world isn't there.
GORANI: Surely in western capitals there are preparations being made for the possibility of a Donald Trump presidency. What would those -- I mean,
what would be going on now behind closed doors in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in Paris, with the foreign secretary, although, it is Boris
Johnson so that might be different these days. But with regards to that possibility, what is going on in your experience right now?
SHEINWALD: Well, I think people will be looking at the track record of his comments during the campaign, because as I say, they don't amount to a
detailed policy analysis of the world. They're about individual reactions to events and his view of people and so on.
So I don't think there's a lot of reading to do. But people will be looking at the sort of people he ultimately appoints if he is elected
president and the extent to which the Republican leadership, which has shied away from his comments on foreign policy and international relations,
the extent to which the Republican leadership and others are able to get him into a different frame of mind.
[15:40:06]The frame of mind he's in at the moment is not one which is going to make it easy for the rest of the world to deal with a President Trump.
I do think the rest of the world expects it to be straightforward, dealing with a president from a different party.
But allies require a measure of predictability and certainty and a sense that there are values in the world that we all share. I don't think that's
coming through at the moment.
GORANI: Let me play devil's advocate. Supporters of Donald Trump would say, what is wrong with trying to get the best deal for the U.S. with its
NATO members, what is wrong with looking at trade pacts, what is wrong with stirring the pot a little bit, all these organizations that have existed
for decades and decades, some haven't been as efficient as they should be, and he's the man for the job.
SHEINWALD: Well, I think the problem is not that you shouldn't stir the pot. It's up to any incoming president to look at things afresh. But I
think there are certain things in international life which is very difficult to retreat from.
And not being certain about whether Russia has or hasn't taken over Crimea, linking payment of dues on defense, I agree the whole of NATO should be
much more serious about the defense burden, but linking that to withdrawal the American support if the Eastern European countries of NATO were
attacked by Russia or by another power.
That really pulls the rug from under the feet of everyone that's trying to make NATO a more serious organization. So I think that there's a -- in all
these things, there's balance to be struck.
At the moment, there's much too much sensationalism and using international relations really as part of this rejectionist approach which Donald Trump
has taken all through the campaign.
GORANI: All right, Nigel Sheinwald, the former U.K. ambassador to Washington, D.C., thanks very much for joining us, and for your thoughts on
the foreign policy debate and disagreements between the two candidates.
National polls are always a good measure of the mood of the country, but Americans don't elect a president directly in a nationwide vote. It's all
about the swing states, the battleground states.
John king explains how states determine the winner and tells us what both Clinton and Trump would have to do to reach a magic number of electoral
votes.
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JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: So a healthy lead for Hillary Clinton in our national poll coming out of the Democratic convention. But
worth remembering, we elect presidents state by state. Can she turn that momentum to gains in the road to 270?
Advantage Clinton as we head into this final stretch. We give Secretary Clinton 236 electoral votes, 191 for Donald Trump. If they are dark red,
they are solid Republican. If they are dark blue, they are solid Democrats.
The lighter shade means they lean. Light blue leans Democratic. Light red leans Republican. The gold or yellow states are toss-up states. If
Secretary Clinton is at 236, if she can hold the blues, how does she get to 270, the magic number?
Number one, she thinks Tim Kaine, her running mate, she'll win his home state of Virginia. Number two, if she can do that and win Florida, game
over. If nothing else change, if she held the blues and in the toss-ups, picks up Virginia and Florida, Hillary Clinton is the next president of the
United States.
Now she thinks she can do more, but that would be enough. What happens, though, if Donald Trump can win what he says is his second home state of
Florida? Clinton is counting on Virginia, we'll leave that there. That would have her 249.
How does she get there? Pennsylvania defend it, even though Donald Trump is trying to compete there, that's the reason the Democrats had their
convention there, hasn't gone Republican since 1988.
If she can get Virginia and then get Pennsylvania, she's at 269. From there she needs just one more. Where does she get it? It could be New
Hampshire, Iowa, Nevada. She'd like to win Ohio, but this is why Clinton has the advantage.
If she can hold Pennsylvania, keep Virginia Democratic, look at all the options. Latino vote in Nevada, boom, enough to put her over the top.
Come into Iowa, boom, you're over the top.
Clinton has more options, which raises the question, how does Donald Trump get to 270? Let's come back to where we started, 236 to 191. Number one,
Trump must, must, hold North Carolina. Mitt Romney won it in 2012. Obama won it in 2008. Trump has to hold it.
Trump in most scenarios needs to win in Florida, 29 electoral votes there. If he can do that, he's suddenly in play. Then Donald Trump, every
Republican knows, they have to win Ohio to win the White House. That would get Trump in striking distance.
If he could then win Pennsylvania, Donald Trump could be the president of the United States, by flipping three blue states from the last election,
Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio, and holding North Carolina. That's Donald Trump's easiest path.
I'm not saying it's easy, but it's his easiest path. What if Donald Trump can't win Florida, what if Latino voters make the difference and swing it
to Clinton?
Donald Trump would still have to hold North Carolina and win big in the rust belt, not only Pennsylvania and Ohio, but he would have to come into
Michigan and turn that red. Even then, he's ten short.
[15:45:11]Can he get Wisconsin? That would do it. A heavy rust belt strategy. Again, it's doable, but no easy lift. Three of those four are
traditionally democratic states. Ohio more of a swing state. Not impossible for Donald Trump. But that is a heavy lift.
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GORANI: John King, thanks very much.
It's well-known that Donald Trump doesn't like interruptions as his campaign rallies. What happens when the offender is just a baby? Watch
what happened today in Virginia as Trump quickly reversed his reassuring words to a little baby's mother.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The biggest in the world, the Chinese bank. Don't worry about that baby, I love babies. I love babies.
I hear that baby crying, I like it. What a baby. What a beautiful baby. Don't worry. Don't worry.
The mom is running around like, don't worry about it, you know. It's young and beautiful and healthy. That's what we want. OK. They have ripped us
to shreds, ripped us absolutely to shreds.
Actually I was only kidding. You can get the baby out of here. That's all right. Don't worry. I think she believed me that I loved having a baby
crying while I'm speaking. That's OK. People don't understand. That's OK.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: All right. Donald Trump tells a mother to escort her baby out of his rally. We'll be right back after this.
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GORANI: The father of a slain Pakistani social media star is speaking out about his daughter's murder. The controversial online celebrity was
strangled to death in what authorities say was a so-called honor killing. Here is CNN's Kristie Lu Stout.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): There was no one like her. It was unjust. Why did he kill my daughter?
KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On July 15th, Mohammad (inaudible) woke up to a nightmare.
MUHAMMAD AZEEM, QANDEEL BALOCH'S FATHER (through translator): It was 7:00 a.m. and my wife went upstairs to get tea. My son wasn't there. My wife
went into our daughter's room and started shouting. My son's scarf was covering her face. My wife pulled the scarf back and saw Qandell was dead.
STOUT: Qandell was drugged and strangled. Her brother, Wasim (ph), confessed to the crime. He said he was proud of what he did because girls
are born to stay at home. A cousin has also been arrested in connection to the murder. She was an outspoken social media star.
The photos and videos she posted on Instagram and Facebook pushed boundaries in conservative Pakistan. Posts that her father says drew
criticism from members of their tribe.
[15:50:10]AZEEM (through translator): The people said she should not do such things. People were seeing her posts on the mobile phones and asking,
is that your sister?
STOUT: Azeem says he knew Wasim was angry because he wouldn't speak to Qandeel when she visited the family home. But the father can't understand
the brutal killing.
AZEEM (through translator): If he killed her in the name of honor, did he see her do anything wrong to anyone? What was her crime?
STOUT: At least 297 women have been victims of so-called honor killings if Pakistan this year. Activists worry the actual number could be much higher
because many cases go unreported.
Many suspects never go to trial because Pakistani law allows victims' families to forgive perpetrators and avoid prosecution. The state has
become the complainant in the case against the killer.
It's up to a court to decide his punishment, even if his family forgives him. But his father says that is not happening.
AZEEM: I shall not forgive this. It is my desire to take revenge.
STOUT: Azeem worries that Pakistan's judicial system might let his son off.
AZEEM: I appeal to the state, make me the complainant. Qandeel was my beloved daughter, part of my heart. I'll be in so much pain if the state
or the judge pardons him.
STOUT: He says restoring him as the complainant will ensure the killer pays for his crime.
AZEEM: There should be God's wrath on him.
STOUT: Qandell Baloch described herself as a modern day feminist. He remembers her as his beloved daughter who took care of the whole family.
AZEEM: She was the breadwinner. She took care of us. I promise God that whenever I think about her there will be tears in my eyes.
STOUT: A heartbroken father struggling to come to terms with a most devastating loss. Kristie Lu Stout, CNN.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GORANI: We'll be right back. Stay with us.
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GORANI: If you can't complete a sentence on your phone without a smiley, wink or a "speak no evil" monkey, we have some news for you. Apple is
releasing an update to its list of emojis. Among the changes, the pistol is out replaced by a water gun.
The pistol emoji caused controversy and has landed people in trouble with the law even in France. The new emojis are the next version of Apple's
iPhone and iPad operating system.
Let's talk about all of this with Samuel Burke, of course, who is here in London. Great to have you in London.
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN MONEY, TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Thanks, I'm happy to be here, finally.
GORANI: OK, so let's talk about a little bit about these emojis. I went to my recent and most used emojis and it turns out my most used one, you'll
be happy to know, is the heart.
BURKE: OK.
GORANI: Then for some reason the round button and then the smiley face that's like this.
BURKE: Actually these emojis are no laughing matter sometimes. The pistol one is actually quite serious. Apple is getting rid of it because people
have ended up with criminal issues. A teenager in Brooklyn used the pistol emoji next to an emoji of a policeman and charges were filed against him.
Those were dropped, but interestingly, in France it could constitute a death threat. One man sent the pistol emoji to his girlfriend and had to
serve three months in jail.
[15:55:04]So that's part of the reason they'll be removing it with the next release of IOS.
GORANI: So what is going to be added or we know the pistol is going to be replaced by a water gun. What will disappear, what will be added?
BURKE: So the water pistol will come in. You'll see a lot of traditionally male jobs, stereotypically male jobs done by females. A
construction worker like you're seeing there. Also single parents, a single mom with a child, a single man with two children.
Also the gay pride flag, we're happy and proud to see that there, as well as a female weightlifter, all those cross-fit classes, a woman basketball
player so a lot of different breaking boundaries.
GORANI: Are we keeping the old ones and adding these new ones?
BURKE: Exactly.
GORANI: Because how many in total are there?
BURKE: I think over 1500. It's not easy to -- people think Apple just goes --
GORANI: Because I have a couple of hundred here.
BURKE: It's time to update.
GORANI: I don't emoji like a teenager or anything, but occasionally I'll throw in -- what's my other one? I have a martini glass.
BURKE: Not on air.
GORANI: No. A soccer ball. I don't even know in what context I used them.
BURKE: You can't just simply change them. There's a union governing body. Android, Apple, they're all going to be the same, so there has to be a
bureaucratic process to change them. Some guy doesn't just wake up at Apple and go, great, gay pride. There's whole process.
GORANI: Take a look at this. If I'm able to, I'm going to try this out. The distance from check-in to the gate can be long at airports. One
company has a way to make the trip more exciting, with luggage that you can ride.
BURKE: I feel like we're going to see Richard Quest somewhere.
GORANI: While sitting on a memory foam seat, your Moto bag will take you to your gate at speeds up to 12 kilometers an hour. Frankly, there's going
to be an accident.
BURKE: With those big guys with the golf carts.
GORANI: Look at this. Would you try it?
BURKE: No, I'm afraid enough of the people with all the bags, the senior citizens on them, all due respect to them, but they look dangerous enough
as it is.
GORANI: Give me the Moto luggage, I'm on it. Thanks very much, Samuel Burke. This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Thanks for watching. I'm Hala
Gorani from Samuel and the team and myself, we'll see you tomorrow. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is up next.
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