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Man In Crowd Reacts To Trump's Remark; Trump: "Second Amendment People" Could Stop Clinton; Clinton And Trump On Campaign Trial Amid Controversy; Fox Employees Feared Ailes Tapped Phones; Drones Used To Smuggle Drugs, Phones Into Prisons; Trump: "Second Amendment People" Could Stop Clinton; Secret Service Has Talked To Trump Camp; Day Five Of Olympic Competition In Brazil; At least 11 Babies Killed In Baghdad Hospital Fire; Rebels Battle To Break Regime Grip On Aleppo, Syria. Aired 3:30-4p ET
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HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN INTERNATIONAL GUEST ANCHOR: Hello, there. I'm Hannah Vaughan Jones standing in for Hala Gorani all week, live from CNN
London and this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
Welcome to you. All eyes on Donald Trump this hour as he gets ready to speak at an even in Virginia. Many will be waiting and watching to see if
he comments on the latest controversy dominating the headlines.
His remarks that gun right supporters could stop Hillary Clinton. Now, critics say he was inciting violence against her, calling it an
assassination threat.
Trump's response, give me a break. He says he was urging gun rights activists to get out and vote and save the U.S. constitution.
Well, some of Mr. Trump's supporters call his remark a joke, but it is no laughing matter, certainly not for the U.S. Secret Service, the agency that
protects presidents and presidential candidate.
An official tells CNN that the Secret Service has discussed Trump's remark with his campaign more than one time.
Well, if it weren't for all the uproar over those comments, today's political headlines might have focused on Hillary Clinton instead. She's
under fire for newly released e-mails that raise questions about the relationship between the Clinton foundation and the State Department when
she was secretary of state.
Clinton's campaign says the e-mails don't involve her, but the Trump campaign says it's more evidence that she is corrupt. Clinton herself is
campaigning again today. She's in the state of Iowa. Clinton hasn't addressed Trump's controversial remarks from yesterday, but her campaign
calls them dangerous.
At a rally on Tuesday, Donald Trump accused Hillary Clinton of wanting to scrap the Second Amendment, something she has never advocated. Well, that
amendment gives people the right to bear arms in the U.S., but Trump didn't stop there.
Jason Carroll reports now on the remarks that sent jaws dropping.
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JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump on the defensive again.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There can be no other interpretation. Give me a break.
CARROLL: Blaming media bias for the fire storm over this quip at his campaign rally.
TRUMP: Hillary wants to essentially abolish the second amendment. By the way, and if she gets to pick -- if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you
can do, folks. Although, the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know.
CARROLL: Trump doing damage control, claiming he was calling on the political powers of Second-Amendment voters to make their voices heard, not
advocating violence toward his rival.
TRUMP: This is a political movement. This is a strong, powerful movement, the Second Amendment. You know, Hillary wants to take your guns away. She
wants to leave you unprotected in your home.
CARROLL: Clinton's campaign quickly denouncing Trump, saying he is dangerous and a presidential candidate should not suggest violence in
anyway. Other Democrats echoing the same sharp rebuke.
Senator Chris Murphy calling it an assassination threat. Elizabeth Warren slamming him as a pathetic coward who can't handle losing to a girl.
And Gabby Giffords who survived being shot in the head says Americans must draw a bright red line between political speech and suggestions of
violence. Republicans blasting Trump as well.
GENERAL MICHAEL HAYDEN, FORMER CIA AND NSA DIRECTOR: That's actually a very arresting comment. If someone else had said that outside the hall,
he'd be in the back of a police wagon now with the Secret Service questioning him.
CARROLL: Trump blaming the desperate media for trying to distract from what he calls Clinton's anti-Second Amendment stance, even though Clinton
has never called for abolishing gun rights. The NRA and running mate, Mike Pence coming to Trump's defense.
MIKE PENCE, REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump is urging people around this country to act in a manner consistent with their
convictions in the course of this election. People who cherish the Second Amendment have a very clear choice in this election.
[15:05:07]CARROLL: Trump has taken heat for violent rhetoric on the stump before.
TRUMP: I'd like to punch him in the face. Knock the crap out of him.
CARROLL: Speaker of the House Paul Ryan once again issuing a tepid defense of Trump.
REPRESENTATIVE PAUL RYAN, HOUSE SPEAKER: It sounds like just a joke gone bad. I hope he clears it up very quickly. You should never joke about
something like that.
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JONES: Jason Carroll reporting for us there. You heard Paul Ryan there, the House Republican speaker saying a joke gone bad. The Trump campaign
themselves has said it wasn't a joke at all. That he was referring to something completely different. As I said, the breaking news that we've
been having in the last half hour is that the U.S. Secret Service has confirmed to CNN that they have indeed spoken to members of the Trump
campaign about these comments.
Let's get more on this now with CNN's chief U.S. security correspondent, Jim Sciutto, live with us. Jim, what are you hearing about how these
conversations have gone down?
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: I'm told by an official with the United States Secret Service, the organization charged
with protecting American presidents, other leaders that the Secret Service has spoken to the Trump campaign regarding his comments on the Second
Amendment.
In fact, I'm told there's more than one conversation since he made those comments yesterday afternoon. For some context, I've also been speaking to
former Secret Service agents just about the protocol would be if somebody else would have said something like this.
I'm told that if a private citizen said something like this to a friend or on social media, we'd almost certainly be interviewed by the Secret
Service.
But they add this detail that because Donald Trump is a public figure with a large public following that the concern is that his comments could in
fact have more effect because it could potentially influence someone whether it's a deranged person.
But because so many people are listening they could take their own interpretation of this and that is why they would have a conversation like
this.
And that informs why clearly here the Secret Service is taking this seriously to the extent that it reached out to the Trump campaign and had
more than one conversation with the Trump campaign.
I can tell you this. I'm also told by the same official with the U.S. Secret Service that the Trump's campaign response was that the candidate
did not intend to incite violence there. But these conversations show that the Secret Service taking this seriously.
JONES: Yes, and given that the Secret Service is taking it seriously and the conversations have been held between Trump campaign members, do you
expect Donald Trump now at this rally that he's about to hold in Virginia to come out and actually clarify what he meant?
SCIUTTO: It's a good question. If he were predictable, I might be able to make an informed prediction. It's hard to say. He might mention it there.
He might say something on social media, Twitter is his favorite way of making public comments.
To this point, his position both on Twitter from his campaign and also in an interview he did yesterday on one of our broadcasts networks here his
position has been it had nothing to do with violence.
He was talking purely about motivating gun supporters to vote and take other political action. That's been his position so it's likely that he'll
continue to use that explanation. But with the Trump campaign, it's often hard to say.
JONES: Yes, we will wait and see. Jim Sciutto, we appreciate it. Thanks very much indeed.
We're going to get even more reaction from a senior adviser to the Trump campaign. Jack Kingston is a former U.S. congressman from Georgia and
joins us now live from Washington. Welcome to the program, sir. Thank you so much for your time this evening.
JACK KINGSTON, FORMER U.S. HOUSE REPUBLICAN: Thank you.
JONES: I want to press you first of all on what exactly you think he meant in those comments yesterday. Obviously the U.S. Secret Service is taking
it seriously enough that they are having conversations with him. Do you think he needs to clarify it?
KINGSTON: Absolutely not. I think this is the media one more time kicking Donald Trump and having a good time with it. The Second Amendment people
are a very, very powerful political bloc. They know how to go to the polls. That's what the NRA is about.
Go to the poll and protect the Second Amendment. Now let me say this, I actually represent the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center for 22
years. That's where the Secret Service trains.
If the Secret Service is now advising candidates, I would say that's a bizarre deviation from their mission because their mission is to protect
these candidates. They don't go around and arbitrate what the First Amendment is or what should or should not be said.
And I have to say, June 14, 2008, Senator Barack Obama says if they bring their knife to a fight, we'll bring a gun. Now, that's pretty dog gone
explicit. By the way, that was right after a shooting spree in Arizona.
He was running against Arizona Senator John McCain. Where was the media outrage? Where was the left outrage? It wasn't anywhere. This is all
about Donald Trump.
If you look at the statement by Barack Obama and compare it to what Donald Trump said, there's not a story here at all. The media was always willing
to say, that was Barack Obama. It was just rhetoric. There wasn't even rhetoric to what Trump said. He was saying basically, get out and vote.
[15:10:07]JONES: I do think you can say that the Secret Service have been advising the Trump campaign. I'm not sure that's quite what they've been
doing. They're there to protect presidents and president envoys as well.
The point here surely is that we have a man who wants to be the president of the United States, leader of the free world and whether he meant it or
not, his comments could be misconstrued and you can't allow that surely.
KINGSTON: Well, are you referring to Barack Obama's very specific comments in 2008 or are we talking about Trump? Because I mean, the reality is if
you look at what Barack Obama said, it was very explicit, but it wasn't so explicit at all with Trump.
But there's a double standard when it comes to Donald Trump. But the Secret Service's role is to say, you shouldn't be in an open air area. You
should check the security.
If the Secret Service is doing their job, maybe they should ask Hillary Clinton what is she doing having the father of a terrorist come to a rally
where she's pretending she doesn't know anything about the guy being there.
The Secret Service should be saying, Hillary, red flag on this guy who by the way is basically on the front row of your rally. Why was Mr. Mateen in
there? How did he --
JONES: Her campaign, of course, said they had no idea that he was there and it's an open rally. Anyone can attend it. And the point there is --
KINGSTON: The media --
JONES: You talk about double standards, sir -- you talk about double standards and what Barack Obama said back in 2008 as well. But the
question here is the fact that he is saying it. He is making these comments and he's -- some people in the campaign have said it was a joke.
If you accept that it was meant as a joke, do you accept that it was a bad one?
KINGSTON: I don't think it was a joke. I think he was saying get out and vote because that's what they do. It's just like if Hillary Clinton goes
to the environmentalists and says, hey, you know, Donald Trump is going to put anti-environmentalist judges in the Supreme Court, you know what to do
about that. It's the same thing.
He is talking to an interest group, an interest group that is politically active. But again, where was this outrage on Barack Obama? You just don't
see it.
Whatever Donald Trump does, there's a million times the scrutiny as there is for Hillary Clinton. You know, we should be talking about the latest
scandal about pay for play with the Clinton Foundation. We should be talking about Mr. Mateen. How did he get so close to Hillary Clinton and
her not know about it?
JONES: Let's talk as well about the polls and how they're looking at the moment and the campaign as it goes forward. As I'm talking to you, Mr.
Kingston, we do have Donald Trump on stage live as part of a rally in Virginia.
I want to bring in one poll that we've got, which is from Quinnipiac poll and it shows swing states in particular and how these two candidates are
faring right now.
I'm interested how worried are you about the fact that in Pennsylvania in particular we can see there on the screen 52 percent for Clinton, 42
percent for Trump? A ten percentage point difference there and some people saying that if you don't win Pennsylvania, you've got no hope.
KINGSTON: You know, one thing I would say is that if Hillary Clinton was getting the press scrutiny, the press criticism that our campaign gets,
those numbers would be flipped. But the reality is, the campaign is still three months away. We are going to be talking about the economy.
Donald Trump tried to talk about the economy, the fact that we have 43 million people on food stamps, 94 million people who are underemployed or
out of work. We have median household income has dropped from $57,000 in the year 2000 to $53,000 and these are the Barack Obama/Hillary Clinton
policies.
And we want to talk about the economy. But the Clinton campaign -- and I don't blame them a bit -- want to get involved on all these sideshows to
avoid the real issues that are out there that affect middle class America.
Middle class America right now is hurting because of the job killing regulations of Barack Obama and the doubling of the national debt and the
fact that Hillary Clinton has basically embraced those policies and it would be effectively a third term of Barack Obama.
And I think if we as a nation would focus on the economy, focus on foreign policy and not these daily squabbles which there seems to be some obsession
for, then you're going to have a lot more intelligent electorate who can make a decision and you're going to see those poll numbers close.
There's another poll out, for example, Reuters right now that shows I think it's a 3 percent or 4 percent difference between the candidate, Hillary
Clinton is still on top, but a week ago she was ten points. So I think the race is going to go back and forth many times.
JONES: I'm sure it will, plenty more polls to go, no doubt, 90 days until Election Day. Of course, Jack Kingston, we very much appreciate your time
on the program. Thank you so much.
KINGSTON: Thank you, Hannah.
JONES: We're going to get to Rio now and it is day five of the all the Olympic competition. Team USA is leading the pack with ten gold medals as
things stand, followed by China with eight and South Korea, Hungary and Australia all have four.
And from gold to green now, very green. Two different pools at the games have turned from their trademark blue to green for some reason.
CNN's World Sports Don Riddell joins me now live from Rio with more on this mystery. Don, green pools and one of then wasn't for a while as well.
What's the explanation behind this?
DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORTS: Yes, it kind of looks like your garden pond when the weather is kind of a bit too warm. That is not at all how it
should have looked and in fact, Hannah, I can tell you that since that photograph was taken the other pool, the one on the left, the water polo
swimming pool, has also turned green as well.
Obviously a lot of we questions, a lot of concern. Olympic organizers seem to have sort of shifted their position, initially they said it was algae.
Then they said it was a change in alkalinity.
They also blamed warm conditions and the lack of wind. The governing body of the world spot of swimming went in and sent their own investigators in.
They concluded that essentially the machines that put chemicals into the water had run out of those chemicals and so I guess they're going to
eventually put it right. Apparently there was no concern about the athletes' health.
That was never an issue here. But it doesn't look very good, does it? And it's not the kind of image that the Olympics wants broadcast all over the
world, the water changing color for no reason.
JONES: Yes, it certainly doesn't look that good. From one pool to another though and from green pools to cold wars really and the ongoing fight now
between Lilly King and the Efimova (ph) f Russia.
RIDDELL: Yes, and that's going to play out again later on, although they will be competing in the same event but not racing each other into the
semifinals of the 200-meter breaststroke. They will be competing in different semis.
Assuming they'll get to the final that's we'll see them go head-to-head again. But this has been an unfolding narrative over the last several
days. It's really become one of the biggest story lines of the Olympics.
Efimova with doping past. Lilly King calling her out on that, saying, that she's not a fan. Lilly King who took gold in the 100-meter breaststroke
saying you can compete clean and still come out on top.
Efimova has been in tears. This is the story that everybody wants to appease of and it kind of started to represent perhaps a new era in sports,
young athletes speaking out against doping, calling out the athletes they perceive to be cheating.
So that has been absolutely fascinating and it's really interesting to see where it goes next, but King has been speaking after her heats today and
she's not backing down on this.
She's doubling down on it and really making sure her point of view is heard. Athletes should be clean and the cheaters should be weeded out and
kicked out.
JONES: Don, the gymnasts across the board still continuing to wow us at these games.
RIDDELL: Yes. And in particular Team USA. They're known as the final five, the American gymnastics team always has a nickname. This year it's
the final five. For a number of reasons, because next time in Tokyo, there will only be four in the all-around team event and also the Americans sort
of top gymnastics coordinator is going to be stepping down.
But they absolutely thrashed the field in this competition winning by more than eight points. They've got a superstar in Simone Biles who's
completely redefined this sport in the last couple of years. She's really made it her own.
She was in many regards the best performer in this event and she could leave here with five medals, even five golds. She's certainly that good.
That would be unprecedented and she's made a great start taking the first one with her teammates in the all-around competition.
JONES: She certainly has. Don Riddell live for us there in Rio, thanks very much indeed.
Now still to come on the program tonight, a tragic story out of Iraq. Burnt, melted incubators as nearly a dozen babies lose their lives in
Baghdad. More on the growing anger coming up next.
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JONES: Even in a city that's witnessed so much tragedy, this one really does stand out. At least 11 newborn babies were killed when a blaze
overwhelmed a hospital in Baghdad.
A preliminary report is pointing towards an electrical problem as a cause of the fire, which has sparked renewed anger now over the country's fraying
infrastructure.
So mixed with merciless grief, many Iraqis are now furious and frustrated. Here's Arwa Damon's report.
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ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This was not brought on by violence. These were not lives some just hours old lost
to a senseless attack. Sama Hussein (ph) should have been leaving the hospital cradling her newborn. Instead, she's clutching papers in utter
shock.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): My son's birth was difficult. I left him and I came with milk powder for him and then this happened.
DAMON: A fire broke out in the Yarmuk (ph) Maternity Ward around 2:00 a.m. Wednesday. A security source who was at the scene says it was sparked by
an electrical short to one of the air conditioning units in the pre-term birth room. The oxygen going into the incubators fueled the fire.
Firefighters stationed nearby arrived on scene within ten minutes, but there are no emergency exits, no evacuation plans. Firefighters had to
push through a human wave of fear and pandemonium to reach the fire at the back of the hospital.
It took an hour to put out the blaze. Parents wait, desperately hoping that perhaps their newborns were among those saved.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Where are my twin babies, a baby girl and a baby boy? I don't know whether they are still alive or not. We
were told that the seven babies were rescued and transferred to another hospital. We went to the other hospital, but we couldn't find them.
DAMON: Along with a personal sorrow, there is rage. Electrical fires are common here. Buildings are antiquated. Wiring shoddy and none of the
government pledges to refurbish infrastructure have materialized.
At Yarmuk Hospital fire negligence, incompetence and corruption, one tweet reads and another states, "Stealing money was not enough. Now they are
stealing souls."
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JONES: Arwa Damon now joins us live from Istanbul, but she's spent a lot of time reporting from Baghdad. Arwa, the fact that it seems like this
tragedy could have been avoided must means a firm amount of criticism is now at the door of the central government.
DAMON: There is. And it's also because this is not the first time that people have said that shoddy construction and the government not living up
to its promises of building up the infrastructure and basically squandering away Iraq's wealth for its own personal individual gain has caused people
to die unnecessarily.
If you remember, Baghdad witnessed one of the deadliest attacks since 2003 in early July. It was a suicide truck bomb that exploded in front of a
mall that left upwards of 300 people dead.
[15:25:03]Now, yes, the initial explosion caused a lot of those deaths, but the vast majority of them were actually caused by this massive ball of fire
that broke out inside the mall, and people couldn't run away from it.
The flames were traveling too quickly. There were no emergency exits. There was no way for them to evacuate. And that really threw this whole
issue of the crumbling infrastructure in Iraq into the forefront with a lot of people then blaming the government for not properly looking out for the
population when it came to deaths that were potentially preventable.
Now having this kind of incident following that and especially when it involves babies that were in incubators who had only just been born, it's
really reignited that rage that has been brewing vis-a-vis the government, especially when it comes to corruptions and their inability it would seem
to try to actually better the lives of the population.
JONES: Arwa, we appreciate it. Arwa Damon reporting live for us from Istanbul on this horrific story from Baghdad. Thank you.
Now two blasts have killed at least eight people and wounded dozens more in Southern Turkey. A senior Turkish officials says a car bomb killed five
and injured 30.
Meanwhile, in another town we're told three people were killed and 30 were injured when an explosive device hit a police bus. The officials said
initial assessments point to Kurdish militants being responsible.
Let's turn other attention to Aleppo in Syria. A Russian general says his forces will participate in a daily three-hour pause in hostilities to allow
aid convoys to get into the besieged city.
That is according to the news agency a top U.N. aid official says it's not enough time to meet the needs of those civilians still trapped in the city.
As Fred Pleitgen reports, the fighting between rebels and regime forces has intensified sharply.
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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Salvo after salvo, they fire at an enemy only yards away. A massive
assault eventually breaking the Syrian regime's siege of Eastern Aleppo. Deemed all but impossible only a few days ago.
Put your hand from here, a fighter instructs a comrade. CNN has exclusively obtained this footage from the front line. In a rare unified
moment, rebels from both moderate and Islamist groups attacked Syrian Army positions.
Pushing both from inside the besieged part of the city and from rebel-held territory to the west, they overwhelm the regime's defenses. Opposition
activists say up to 7,000 fighters were involved, the lead group formerly under al Qaeda's command. They released this drone video showing the
extent and the intensity of the battle.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The importance of this battle is we broke the siege. They had us under siege, and now we have them under
siege and have cut off their supply line, thank God.
PLEITGEN: Rather than a ragtag band of rebels, this appears to be a disciplined fighting force, resting and regrouping near the front line and
then chanting our Prophet Muhammad, our commander forever, as they march into battle.
Video from inside Eastern Aleppo showed civilians cheering the end of the siege. CNN is told many see the hardline Islamist groups as heroes braving
pro-government forces and Russian air power to come to the aid of 300,000 trapped people.
But the U.N. warns, with still no guarantee of humanitarian access, both regime and rebel-held Aleppo may suffer from even more severe shortages
than in the past.
After their unlikely victory breaking the Aleppo siege, these rebels now say they will take back all of the city. But the Syrian regime and its
allies are hitting back hard, both sides desperate to win Syria's largest city but threatening to crush it in the process. Fred Pleitgen, CNN,
Berlin.
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JONES: This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW." Coming up on the program, he keeps on pushing the envelope. She keeps saying he's unfit for office. Hillary
Clinton and Donald Trump are both on the campaign trail. We'll speak to a presidential historian next and take a look after this short break.
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HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN INTERNATIONAL GUEST ANCHOR: Welcome back to THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Here is check of our top stories this evening.
Donald Trump is accusing the media of misinterpreting a highly controversial remark. He says he was urging gun right supporters to get
out and vote when he said they could stop Hillary Clinton. Critics say his words amounted to an assassination threat.
At least 11 newborn babies have been killed by a blaze that ripped through a maternity ward at a hospital in the Iraqi capital. An early report is
pointing towards an electrical problem as the cause of the fire. That's causing incredible fury among many Iraqis who are already tired of what
they see as government shortcomings and broken infrastructure in their country.
In the Philippines, President Rodrigo Duterte has raised the possibility of declaring martial law. He was responding to criticism from the country's
chief justice over his naming of 150 officials that he claims are involved in the illegal drug trade.
The U.S. Secret Service is now looking into Donald Trump's controversial remarks about Hillary Clinton. That's the agency that protects presidents
and presidential candidates. An official tells CNN that the Secret Service has held, quote, "More than one conversation with the Trump campaign."
Donald Trump is now speaking at a rally in Virginia. It's not just his critics, though, who were shocked by his remarks on the Second Amendment
yesterday. Watch the reaction of one man sitting behind Donald Trump at that rally in North Carolina.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hillary wants to abolish essentially the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick her
judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don't know. But I'll tell you what, that will be a
horrible day.
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JONES: Well, the man we just saw in the spot shadow joins us now live. Darrel Vickers is a Republican and is live for us in North Carolina.
Darrel, thanks so much for joining us on the program this evening. You looked pretty shocked. Tell us why.
DARRELL VICKERS, MAN ON VIDEO REACTING TO TRUMP: Well, I was. I was. I whispered to the lady sitting next to me that I can't believe he said that.
The media is going to have a heyday out of it and it really shocked me he would say it.
I knew he was joking, but I knew also that the media would take it and make something else out of it. But it was very clear to those in the audience
he had been talking for over an hour, and we had pretty much heard a lot of information that we had come to hear and then he tried to make a joke and
he should have stayed to script.
[15:35:10]JONES: You say it's a joke. His campaign, though, said it wasn't a joke and actually it's been misconstrued bit need area. Do you
accept that it was a joke and it was just slightly distasteful?
VICKERS: It was a joke. There's no question in my mind that he was trying to get a laugh out of the audience. Trump is a very unique individual and
has a very strong personality, but there's no doubt in my mind that he was trying to get a rise out of the audience, and he did. No question about
that.
JONES: When a man trying to be the president of the United States makes a joke like that, though, do you find it funny, or do you think this isn't
the person who I want to be sitting in the oval office?
VICKERS: Let me put it this way. I'm from the south, and someone would say something like that, we would take them to the shed. In the south, we
don't curse in front of ladies. We don't drink in front of the preacher, and we don't say things like that out in public.
So if he were down here, we would take him to the shed, but New Yorkers are different, and he should watch what he says, particularly when some of the
press will construe that to mean something that he didn't intend.
JONES: I'm assuming the fact that you were there at the rally and in such a prominent position, just right behind him, is because you're a Republican
and presumably a Trump fan as well. Is that right?
VICKERS: Well, I actually, to be very honest with you, my family has been Republican since 1854, and I wanted to get to know the man a little bit
better. I live on Oak Island, which is away from the area, and I wanted to see what kind of personality he had. I know that he's a very intelligent
man. I know that he's very astute businessman personality he tries to make a joke, and it backfired. The media chose to misinterpret it.
JONES: So now that you've got the measure of the man, is he going to get your vote if November?
VICKERS: Absolutely now. Yes. I am convinced that the Republican Party has the superior platform and I believe that we have a candidate who is far
superior in his character, in his morality, in his integrity than the opponent.
JONES: It's great to talk to you and thank you very much for clarifying. I know your pictures have now been broadcast all over the world since you
appeared at that rally. We very much appreciate you talking to us here at CNN, Darrell Vickers. Thank you.
VICKERS: Thank you for having me.
JONES: Well, Donald Trump no stranger to controversy, time and time again his remarks have triggered outrage. But he insists that he's just
misunderstood. Here's a little reminder now of some comments that have forced him into damage control mode from criticizing one female news anchor
to appearing to mock a disabled reporter to inviting Russia to search for Hillary Clinton's missing e-mails.
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TRUMP (via telephone): She gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. You know, you could see there was blood coming out
of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.
(on camera): Now the poor guy, you ought to see this guy, ah, I don't know what I said. I don't remember.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you believe in punishment for abortion yes or no as a principle?
TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For the woman.
TRUMP: Yes, there has to be some form.
Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.
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JONES: A prominent U.S. journalist who covered the assassination of President John F. Kennedy says Trump's latest remarks, quote, "cannot be
treated just as another outrageous moment in his campaign."
Dan Rather says it's unprecedented in the history of American presidential politics. He said and I quote, "to anyone who still pretends this is a
normal election of Republican against Democrat history is watching. And I suspect its verdict will be harsh."
Let's bring in our presidential historian, Larry Sabato, he's the director of the Center of Politics at the University of Virginia and author of "The
Kennedy Half Century."
Larry, great to have you on the program. Thanks so much for joining us. Let's talk about these incendiary some would say murderous comments by
Donald Trump. Have we ever seen anything like this before? Is it unprecedented?
LARRY SABATO, DIRECTOR, UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA CENTER FOR POLITICS: It's absolutely unprecedented. Just take the one that's caused the kerfuffle
here over the last 24 hours.
[15:40:08]The Secret Service has now talked to the Trump campaign on multiple occasions. They took this very seriously. You cannot make
threats direct or veiled against a presidential candidate and president and we know why. The United States unfortunately has a long history of
assassinations and assassination attempts.
I should also note that the Secret Service has never, never had to approach a presidential candidate or his campaign in the 114 years that they've been
assigned to protect the president and in this case presidential candidates.
JONES: You've talked there about the unprecedented nature of -- Larry, I apologize. Hillary Clinton is speaking right now about this very topic.
Let's just dip in and see what she's saying.
SABATO: Sure.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: -- his casual cruelty to a gold star family, his casual suggestion that more countries should have
nuclear weapons, and now his casual inciting of violence.
Every single one of these incidents shows us that Donald Trump simply does not have the temperament to be president and commander-in-chief of the
United States.
So the stakes have never been higher. I am humbled and moved by the Republicans who are will to standup and say that Donald Trump doesn't
represent their values.
Not only as Republicans but as Americans. I have to tell you I feel that same sense of responsibility. We may not agree on everything, but this is
not a normal election.
And I will work hard for the next three months to earn the support of anyone willing to put our country first. As a young man said to me in
Florida the other day, friends don't let friends vote for Trump --
JONES: OK, let's bring in Larry Sabato, our political historian, listening to those comments by Hillary Clinton. She herself has said that this is
not a normal election. You were just talking about the unprecedented nature of it.
We've even got the media as well who Donald Trump of course says is to blame for misconstruing his words. We've got the "New York Daily News" the
headline, this isn't a joke anymore. Has Donald Trump crossed a line now?
SABATO: Well, he's crossed so many lines, it's hard to keep track of them. I would say here certainly he has crossed a line. We've never had a
candidate talk about violence or even incite violence against another candidate or party.
So this is of great concern. Look, there are three words that Donald Trump's opponents apply to him, reckless, careless, and unqualified. And I
have to say he's his own worst enemy. This has reinforced those three words, and they're the three words keeping him out of the oval office.
JONES: What about when we look at the maps here on what happens in November, 90 days to go until Election Day. Can he actually win this race?
Can he actually take those swing states if you take his core supporters out of the mix? Has he got enough appeal?
SABATO: I don't believe he has. My own analysis team declared in March that Hillary Clinton would win in an Electoral College landslide. We've
not changed a single electoral vote. Now, loads of strange things can happen, but I think it would have to be historically strange for Donald
Trump to be elected president.
JONES: And of course, the breaking news that we were bringing our viewers this hour you've alluded to, the U.S. Secret Service has indeed already
been in touch with the Trump campaign. He is speaking now. We're showing some live pictures there. He's speaking in Virginia. Do you expect him to
clarify his comments from yesterday or mention it at all?
SABATO: His slogan seems to be not just make America great again but never explain, never apologize. So I doubt we'll get any apology or even an
explanation beyond the one that he's given. And I must say it holds no water, which is that this is a media creation.
Most of us watching his speech instantly caught the reference and were shocked, just as the gentleman in the audience, the lovely man that you
interviewed.
[15:45:10]And who admitted himself that he was shocked and turned to the person next to him and said, this is going to be a major problem for Trump.
And sure enough, it's a major problem for Trump.
JONES: A major problem although I have to say that Darrell Vickers who we did speak to said he was shocked, but he's still going to vote for Donald
Trump. Larry Sabato, we really appreciate your thoughts on these comments. Thank you very much indeed for joining us.
SABATO: Thank you so much, Hannah.
JONES: Now still to come here on "THE WORLD RIGHT NOW," the latest on the controversy surrounding former Fox News CEO, Roger Ailes, and allegations
that phones have been tapped. Stay with us for more on that.
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JONES: Welcome book to the program. The controversy over Roger Ailes' time at Fox News rumbles on. Several Fox News personalities and producers
have told CNN they long feared that Ailes was tapping their phones to monitor their conversations.
None of the sources could provide concrete evidence. Ailes resigned from Fox News amid sexual harassment allegations. Let's get more from our
senior media correspondent, Brian Stelter. Brian, somehow you've managed to be a victim of Aailes' espionage as well. Tell us more about this.
BRIAN STELTER, CNN MONEY SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Yes. This is a rather strange story from about a decade ago that I hadn't shared at the
time because I didn't know the wider picture of what was going on.
Back when I was writing a blog on TV newsroom amid 2000, this kind of mystery blog among TV news employees, I was going to when I thought were
dates with a low level Fox News staffer, someone who is essentially not much quite an intern.
It turns out this person was reporting back to the bosses of Fox News about my attitudes, my opinions, my views to his being used as a spying operation
by Ailes and by the PR chief at that time.
I found out about later once this staffer left Fox News, turns out she never had an interest in me at all. This was entirely a spying operation.
But the reason why this matters now is because we're hearing about more and more stories of Ailes using private investigators to tail and follow and
research journalists and other people who he viewed as opponents.
There's really a drip, drip, drip of these negative stories sort of revealing how Fox News was operating while Ailes was running the network.
JONES: And of course while the fallout for Roger Ailes continues, there are as you said drip, drip, drip more details coming through, more
revelations. Who do you think is next potentially in the firing line?
STELTER: It is clear that there will be more people leaving Fox News. The question is whether these will be high ranking executives who may or may
not have known about alleged harassment or whether they'll be lower level staffers.
We know that about five consultants to Ailes were let go in the past couple of weeks. So these are people who were collecting paychecks it was unclear
what they were doing but they were old friends, old buddies of Ailes.'
I had a source who said today, longtime friends of Rogers dating back to the 1970s are beginning to exit the building. My sources say, there will
be other departures as well, but it's unclear what kind of level we're talking about.
[15:50:10]One thing has struck me as interesting for weeks now. The Murdochs, the ones who own Fox, all of Fox, are steadfastly refusing to
comment on what's going to happen next with the network, on what if anything they might have known about these allegations of harassment.
Rupert Murdoch and his sons are keeping their lips entirely zipped while this ongoing investigation goes on by a law firm they've retained.
JONES: Yes. We'll wait and see if we hear anything from them. Thanks very much indeed, Brian.
You're watching THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Still to come, drones are a part of life nowadays, but a part of prison life? Well, that's happening here in
Britain. I'm going to explain all after the break.
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JONES: Welcome back. Now, when you're slammed in prison, you're meant to be cut off from the world. But drones are being used to smuggle in banned
gear to some prisoners and police are seemingly struggling to stop it. Officers are looking into one drone flying near a prison here in London
chasing a car they thought was involved. It crashed and the young woman died. Samuel Burke has more now.
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SAMUEL BURKE, CNN MONEY BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): That is a drone flying right into the U.K.'s largest prison. A bag full of
drugs and a mobile phone dangles from the drone as a prisoner reaches through his window with a stick to try and guided it in.
The CCTV video captured in May shows the growing problems prisons face. At this very same London prison early Tuesday morning, a drone was spotted
hovering nearby. Police came to the scene and spotted a car taking off and as they pursued the car crashed.
A female passenger in her 20s was pronounced dead on the scene, the male driver is hospitalized in critical condition. Leading drone makers are
rolling out geo-fencing utilizing the drone's GPS to prevent them from taking off in certain locations.
(on camera): DJI, the largest drone maker in the world says its software prevents drones from flying over places like prisons, power plants,
sensitive locations and place like Washington, D.C., and currently over the stadiums in Rio de Janeiro.
(voice-over): The problem is the software is mostly found in the more advanced drones. Cheaper devices from less known companies don't have the
software. Prisons now find themselves needing money to invest in drone blockers or drone trackers that can cost thousands of dollars.
As this new technology takes off, authorities are faced with new challenges. How to pursue drones in the skies and their pilots on the
ground.
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JONES: Samuel joins me now. How easy is it then to identify these drones when they're flying about?
BURKE: Well, in this case we've been following in the U.K. all day long, some of the witnesses tell British media that when the car was turned over
after the crash they were actually able to see the drone intact.
But in terms of actually identifying the unit, this is where the difference is in laws between the U.K. and the U.S. come into play. In the United
States, you now have to register a drone so if they find it they can figure out who the owner was.
Here in the U.K. you don't have to do that. And that's why some businesses like Amazon are thinking they might launch their drone delivery services
here before the U.S.
JONES: Sam, thanks very much indeed. Thank you.
[15:55:05]Widely considered the greatest male gymnast of all time, Kohei Uchimura, is competing this Wednesday in the individual all-around in Rio.
He already led Japan to gold in the team event. Hear his motivation now in his own words.
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KOHEI UCHIMURA, JAPAN'S OLYMPIC MALE GYMNAST: My name is Kohei Uchimura. I am an artistic gymnast. (Inaudible).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nearly 24 hours after a record earthquake and terrible tsunami, we're getting a closer look at the incredible
devastation.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST: Up to 30 feet high. It's erasing everything in its path.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Liquid destruction, utter devastation. Mud and debris.
UCHIMURA: (Foreign language).
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JONES: Well, this has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Thank you so much for watching. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is up next.
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