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Secret Network Fighting ISIS From Within; Central Italian Villages in Ruins After Quake, Experience Aftershocks; Trump Backs Away from Total Deportation Plan; Trump Calls Hillary Clinton a "Bigot;" Hillary Clinton Speaking at Rally in Nevada; iPhone Vulnerabilities Used for Spying; North Korea Launches Another Missile; Nigel Farage Joins Trump at Rally; Controversial Burkini Ban. Aired 3-4p ET
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[15:00:00] HALA GORANI, CNN HOST: Tonight, still hopeful rescuers search into the night for survivors still alive in the rubble of Italy's
earthquake. Then on the campaign trail, Hillary Clinton is expected to accuse Donald Trump of supporting the most extreme voices of the far right.
And Donald Trump is lashing out as well. And this hour (ph), incredible risk and exclusive look at the secret network fighting ISIS from inside
Mosul. Plus the Burkini debate continues to rage on. And French politicians are doubling down on the ban.
Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani, live from CNN London. Thanks for being with us this hour. This is "The World Right Now."
The ground has barely stopped rumbling since Wednesday's earthquake in Central Italy. Hundreds of aftershocks have hit the mountainous region.
The death toll from the powerful quake has now reached 250 people and many, many more are homeless. Atika Shubert reports.
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The village of Sant'Angelo has been reduced to rubble as cobblestone streets and piazza covered in debris.
When we arrived, soldiers have salvaged the church bell.
But no one is here anymore. Aftershocks keep residents from returning. And most of the village's 300 residents have survived.
But a mother and child were killed, crushed in their bed. It's incredibly eerie, walking through the rubble of this tiny village of Sant'Angelo.
I want to point this out -- this bedsheet here, you can see it knotted to the top tied together. I think residents inside may have used this to try
and come down because as you can see, the doors are so -- they're stuck because the walls collapsed around them.
And there was no way for people to come out this way. So survivors may have tried to come out here. And you get a real sense of just how horrific
this was by the scenes here, whole walls sheared off.
And you can see inside -- the kitchens and the living rooms just as they were at the moment the earthquake struck. As you walk through the rubble
here, we step over doors, these twisted pipes, windows that have been sheared off but this really shocked us.
What we're standing on top of now, it's actually a car that has been crumpled by the rubble of the home that's fallen on top of it. At the
village green, a tent camp is being built to house hundreds from Sant'Angelo and neighboring villages.
Survivors rest in the shade, still in shock. This grandmother tells us, there is no hope -- too many people dead. And Amatrice doesn't exist
anymore or Amatrice has disappeared.
And there are so many dead, so many children. Now, the village of Sant'Angelo is one of the places where tent camps are based. And this tent
camp can house several hundred people.
Now, I actually spoke to teenagers that were right here in this playground when the earthquake struck at 3 a.m. that was lucky because they were able
to help many of the elderly residents who were trapped inside their homes. And they set up a first aid camp here.
In that time, the camp has grown. And I want to show you a little bit here. Many of the people from the neighboring towns and villages are
coming here now.
It's lunchtime. They're getting food, water, whatever medical help they need. But also importantly, is (ph) electricity. They're able to plug
their phones in to keep in touch with their families and tell them that they're safe.
Here, they are safe but stunned by the destruction and loss all around them.
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GORANI: Well, Atika Shubert joins me now live from the small town of Acquasanta, northeast of the epicenter of the quake.
Atika, talk to us -- of course, everybody is hoping sometimes against hope that some of the victims are still alive and will be rescued. What are the
chances?
SHUBERT: Well, nobody wants to give up hope. But I think the reality, especially for many of the search teams, is that this has become a search
and recovery, not a search and rescue operation.
In the town of Sant'Angelo where we were, those teenagers I mentioned actually managed to keep one man alive. He was pinned down. They were
able to fly (ph) and get help to him.
And he was evacuated in time and saved. But as I pointed out, a mother and child did not survive. What's happening now is just not in (ph)
Sant'Angelo.
You're getting these camps -- this is actually a camp in Acquasanta. This is an area that wasn't as devastated. But you still see cracks in the
walls of the homes here.
And so what -- each time you hear an aftershock, a lot of people come rushing out. They don't want to spend the night inside. So they have this
as an option.
And this is the reality that rescuers and residents here have to -- have to deal with, that these aftershocks are going to continue. Many of them can
be as big as an earthquake itself.
GORANI: All right, thanks very much, Atika Shubert there on the ground, reporting on this very damaging and deadly earthquake in Italy. Now,
perspective from an organization helping survivors with their immediate needs -- food, clean water, and shelter, Francesco Rocca is the president
of the Red Cross in Italy. He's in Rome.
Thank you very much for being with us. First of all, let me ask you about these immediate needs. Are you able to meet them all because we're talking
about thousands of homeless people here?
FRANCESCO ROCCA, PRESIDENT, RED CROSS ITALY: Yes but first of all, let me thank you and say one very important thing. There is still hope. I
disagree with your colleague.
This is not a search and recover, really a search and rescue team. The very last moment, there is a big hope to find someone. History told us
that even after 22 hours after the earthquake, we can find someone alive.
And until that moment, our volunteers depart right there (ph). We will (ph) continue to work tirelessly (ph) to -- to -- with the hope to find
someone alive.
GORANI: Right.
ROCCA: This is something that is very important for us.
GORANI: Right. And we've heard that in other quake zones, I remember even in Haiti, a man found after 11 days alive. So there is always that
possibility.
And we hope that it materializes. For those who've survived who don't have homes right now, are their needs being met?
ROCCA: Yes, of course. This is a very, very difficult time. You know, a lot of villages are affected. Some of them were only 20, 30 inhabitants.
So you can imagine it in -- in -- but of course, this is something that we are doing. We are mixing (ph) -- we are meeting all the inhabitants just
to verify (ph) their all needs -- their individual need of each person affected by the earthquake.
And we are providing meals. There are (ph) the psychological support is increasing during the hour. In fact (ph), today, three (ph) teams reached
the area.
And -- and during the next day, everything will be set (ph) up in the -- in the right and proper way.
GORANI: All right. Well, we wish you and your team good luck, and the rescuers as well. Francesco Rocca, the president of the Red Cross in
Italy, thanks very much.
Now, to U.S. politics, Hillary Clinton says there's a lot of smoke but no fire. She is slamming Donald Trump for accusing her of trading access and
favors for donations to the Clinton Foundation when she was secretary of state.
Clinton, by the way, is speaking in an important state, because she's behind. This is Reno, Nevada. Sparks could fly when she takes the stage.
We're expecting her to fire back at Trump for calling her a bigot. She will make the case that he is the one peddling bigotry, and in her words,
taking a hate movement mainstream.
Trump, for his part, is defending himself against charges that he's a racist, calling it a tired and disgusting argument. He finished speaking
at a rally in New Hampshire just minutes ago.
Trump has been toning down months of tough -- tough talk on immigration as he courts minority voters. He once called the United States a dumping
ground for the rest of the world, pledging to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants.
But as Sara Murray reports, his message is changing as he tries to broaden his appeal.
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TRUMP: They'll pay back taxes. They have to pay taxes. There's no amnesty as such. There's no amnesty.
(UNKNOWN): Right.
TRUMP: But we work with a.
SARA MURRAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Donald Trump suggesting a major reversal on the hard line immigration proposal he's touted since the start of his
campaign.
TRUMP: Everybody agrees we get the bad ones out. But when I go through and I meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and I've had
very strong people come up to me -- really great, great people come up to me and they've said, Mr. Trump, I love you.
But to take a person that's been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and their family out, it's so tough. Listen (ph), I mean (ph), I have it all
the time. It's a very, very hard thing.
MURRAY: Backtracking on his tough talk of using a deportation force to round up and deport 11 undocumented immigrants.
TRUMP: I would get people out and I will have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal. They're illegal
immigrants. They've got to go out.
At some point, we're going to try getting them back, the good ones.
MURRAY: Now, he appeared to be considering deporting those with criminal records, while allowing other undocumented immigrants who pay back taxes to
stay in the country -- remarkably similar to the plans his Republican opponents pushed during the primary.
RUBIO: I don't think you're going to round up and deport 12 million people.
BUSH: You pay taxes. You don't receive federal government assistance. You earn legal status, not citizenship.
MURRAY: Plans that Trump criticized back when he was fighting to win the Republican nomination.
TRUMP: They're weak people. And Marco Rubio is in favor of amnesty.
MURRAY: Trump's minority voter outreach, inspiring him to lob (ph) one of his sharpest attacks against his opponent.
TRUMP: Hillary Clinton is a bigot, who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future.
MURRAY: As Clinton turns the line of attack around on Trump, previewing the Trump takedown she's set to deliver in Reno today.
CLINTON: He is taking a hate movement mainstream. He's brought it into his campaign. You know, someone who's questioned the citizenship of the
first African-American president, who has courted the white supremacists, who's been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color, is
someone who is, you know, very much peddling bigotry and prejudice and paranoia.
GORANI: Let's get more on all these issues. I'm joined from Washington by S.E. Cupp. She's a CNN political commentator.
And I'm also joined by CNN's senior political analyst, Ron Brownstein. He's in Los Angeles.
Thanks to both of you.
So S.E., let me first ask you about this about-face coming from Donald Trump on immigration. What is going on? Because this is not at all the
message that he was delivering for months and months.
S.E. CUPP, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: It isn't. And what's amazing is that Trump and his surrogates are insisting that there's been no change in
policy, when this was the centerpiece policy of his entire candidacy, from the second he walked -- you know, rode down that -- that escalator at Trump
Tower, promising to build a wall. They all have to go.
That's what he repeated over the course of the campaign. And for now to be saying, no, many can stay. And -- and they'll pay to stay is a huge, huge,
as he would say, reversal in -- in -- in policy and -- and rhetoric. And as to.
GORANI: Yes.
CUPP: .why, he has offered several explanations. You've just heard one where he sat down with Sean Hannity and said that he met an illegal
immigrant, maybe his first time, who -- who was compassionate and said, you can't -- please don't take my family or you can't take my family out of the
country.
Maybe he's learned over the past, I don't know, 24 hours, that it's difficult to round up 11 million people. Maybe he's learned that White
conservative women voters like me have been appalled by his policy and rhetoric over the course of the campaign.
And he's trying to win us back. I -- I feel like it's a little too late and pretty disingenuous. But it is 100 percent unequivocally a flip-flop.
GORANI: All right, well, Ron, let me, by the way, just telling our viewers what they're seeing (ph) on their screen there (ph), this is Hillary
Clinton speaking in Reno, Nevada. She's only two points ahead in the latest poll.
And this is a state that Barack Obama won twice where she's facing some challenges. She's faced these questions. She's not had a great last few
days on the Clinton Foundation, on the e-mails -- all of this.
RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes.
GORANI: She's not been able to put this away. How much is this going to hurt her? Right now, poll-wise in Nevada, she's only two points away from
Trump.
BROWNSTEIN: It has hurt her and it will continue to hurt her. I mean, given the doubts about Donald Trump, she is underperforming.
And a majority of Americans say they can't trust her. I think we're going to see that all the way through election day, though it's worth nothing
that in the exit poll, on the day Bill Clinton was reelected in 1996 with a solid eight-point majority -- eight-point win, a majority of voters in the
exit poll said they couldn't trust him.
So it is not necessarily an insurmountable obstacle. But it's a very real obstacle. The -- the reason she's still ahead is that the north star in
this race are the doubts about Donald Trump.
If you look at the poll, for example, that came out today by Quinnipiac, 58 percent said they did not believe he is qualified to be president. Fifty-
nine said they believe that the way he talks appeals to bigotry.
And 65 percent said they believed he did not have the right experience.
GORANI: Yes.
BROWNSTEIN: .to be president. How -- those numbers have been remarkably consistent for a year and a half. Over 15 months, roughly, 60 percent of
Americans have consistently said they do not believe he is qualified to be president.
It's going to be very hard to change that in 10 and a half weeks.
GORANI: And Ron, I just want to listen -- I want to listen to what Hillary Clinton is saying right now because she's taking a (ph) Donald Trump quite
forcefully. Let's listen in.
CLINTON: No housing, no homes, no ownership, crime at levels nobody has seen. Right now, he said you can walk down the street and get shot.
Those are his words. But when I hear them, I think to myself, how sad. Donald Trump misses so much. He doesn't see the success of black leaders
in every field, the vibrancy of black-owned businesses, the strength of the black church. He doesn't see.
(APPLAUSE)
.he doesn't see the excellence of historically black colleges and universities, or the pride of black parents watching their children thrive.
He apparently didn't see Police Chief Brown (ph) of Dallas on television after the murders of five of his officers, conducting himself with such
dignity.
(APPLAUSE)
He certainly doesn't have any solutions to take on the reality of systemic racism and create more equity and opportunity in communities of color and
for every American. It really does take a lot of nerve to ask people he's ignored and mistreated for decades, what do you have to lose, because the
answer is everything.
(APPLAUSE)
Now, Trump's lack of knowledge or experience or solutions would be bad enough. But what he's doing here is more sinister.
Trump is reinforcing harmful stereotypes and offering a dog whistle to his most hateful supporters. It's a disturbing preview of what kind of
president he'd be.
And that's what I want to make clear today. A man with a long history of racial discrimination, who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from
the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far, dark reaches of the internet.
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.should never run our government or command our military.
(APPLAUSE)
Ask yourself, if he doesn't respect all Americans, how can he serve all Americans? Now.
(APPLAUSE)
I know that some people still.
(CROSSTALK)
GORANI: S.E., I want to bring you back in there. She went after Donald Trump on the African-American vote, that essentially, his message to the
African-American community was you've got nothing to lose. You walk down the street, you get shot -- that's your only reality.
I wonder if that's going to resonate, though, or who will that resonate with, S.E.?
CUPP: Look, there's a -- a couple of audiences here and a lot of things happening. Donald Trump, like I said, is trying to reach out to African-
Americans and some -- some other groups, I think to appease (ph) voters like me -- Republican women who are just -- are appalled at -- at the
bigoted (ph) statements he's made.
GORANI: So he is not trying to appeal to black voters.
CUPP: No.
GORANI: He's trying to appeal to maybe white voters or essentially (ph).
CUPP: Yes, I think.
GORANI: .Republicans who don't like his message?
CUPP: .yes, and look, I'm not mad at Donald Trump for speaking to African-Americans despite speaking to a group of white people attempting
to speak to African-American issues. The Democrats have a long history of sort of failing this community and this demographic that consistently votes
Democrat.
That would be a very smart line of attack for Trump to have -- have -- have used against Hillary Clinton, had he not said all of the things that he had
said about David Duke and Judge Curiel and -- and everyone else. But for Hillary Clinton to bring up this connection to the alt-right, and -- and
for conservatives like me who have known about the alt-right for some years, we have long been concerned that this was going to become infectious
into the whole of the Republican Party.
It is not yet -- I don't think you could find a single Republican congressman or senator in -- in the building behind me who would know what
the alt-right is. But.
GORANI: Yes (ph).
CUPP: .because Trump is such a now public figure associated with the party and Breitbart (ph) is now connected to Trump, and Hillary is now talking
about it, it's getting a huge public platform.
BROWNSTEIN: Yes.
CUPP: That's a bad thing.
GORANI: Right.
BROWNSTEIN: And.
GORANI: Ron, and I just wanted -- go ahead, Ron.
BROWNSTEIN: Yes, I was going to say real quick, that's the challenge for the Republican Party, right? I mean, you know, the -- the lesson after
2012, when Mitt Romney won a higher share of White voters than Ronald Reagan did in 1980 and still lost, was that they had to broaden and speak.
GORANI: Right.
BROWNSTEIN: .to this emerging diverse next America. Instead, with Trump, you had a candidate who essentially defined himself in opposition to that
next America, is now running into the limits of that strategy in the general election.
But it's worth noting that he won the nomination. And in every state, except Wisconsin and New York with an exit poll, a majority of his voters
supported mass deportation.
So the -- the challenge Republicans have between navigating between their base and navigating between (ph) the general election electorate is really
put in sharp relief by Trump throwing overboard this week, so many of the cornerstones of the agenda that got him the nomination in the first place.
GORANI: All right, it's a tricky tightrope there to walk for Donald Trump, and a fascinating day. And we'll be speaking, by the way, to a Donald
Trump supporter a little later in the program.
S.E. Cupp, Ron Brownstein, thanks to both of you. Always a pleasure.
CUPP: Thanks a lot.
GORANI: Still to come this evening.
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(UNKNOWN): It started as two friends who trust each other and they would arrange to target ISIS in a particular point.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: That was the start of the anti-ISIS network operating in secret in Mosul. More on that fighter's story coming up.
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GORANI: Life under ISIS in Mosul is oppressive, of course. Defiance can seem unimaginable. As Iraqi troops move inch-by-inch to the ultimate goal
of liberating that city, there are people working right now to undermine ISIS from within Mosul.
In this exclusive report, CNN's Arwa Damon shows us a secret team of anti- ISIS fighters there.
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DAMON: Operating deep within the shadows of ISIS territory in Mosul is a network so secretive, even its own members do not know each other's
identities. The letter "M" spray-painted on Mosul walls -- "M" for Mokawa (ph), the resistant. The message to ISIS, "We are here. We are among
you."
The Mosul battalions watch for weaknesses in ISIS' defenses, carrying out hit and run operations, or waiting for a moment to strike isolated targets
like this checkpoint on the outskirts of the city. This man, Abwahali (ph) is one of their liaisons.
How did the Mosul battalions even managed to initially organize themselves?
(UNKNOWN): It started as two friends who trust each other. And they would arrange to target ISIS in a particular point.
DAMON: The same happened elsewhere. And by the end of 2014, the Mosul battalions had formed. Their weapons are basic -- what they found and hid
in the city or what they snatched from ISIS.
(UNKNOWN): The roadside bombs they used, they would steal from ISIS. ISIS puts bombs in certain areas. And those who have previous military
experience would go and steal those bombs and place them where they target ISIS.
DAMON: They operate in two to three-man cells, independent of one another. No cell knows specifically of another. No fighter knows the name of more
than two others.
Abwahali (ph) calls the (ph) man he says is with the battalions in Mosul. He's speaking from an orchard just outside of the city.
Talking on the phone is punishable by death.
(UNKNOWN): We carry out assassinations, sniper operation against senior ISIS members. We target the houses they live in.
DAMON: The distorted voice in this video says they assassinated an ISIS fighter. The images then show what they say is the dead man's I.D.,
pistol, and suicide belt.
And Abwahali (ph) says, they are providing for intermediaries, intelligence, and coordinates to the coalition. Here is (ph) the aftermath
of a strike they say was based on their information.
And they are waiting for what they call zero hour, distributing leaflets warning ISIS its end is coming. They are ready -- ready for the day the
Iraqi army breaches the city.
And they rally the people to rise. Arwa Damon, CNN, Erbil, Iraq.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GORANI: Fascinating to see these resistance fighters, essentially, inside Mosul.
Now, to something completely different, many of you have iPhones. So you might find the very story -- the next story, I should say, very
interesting. Apple is releasing an update to its phone.
It happens every few months, usually nothing to be excited about generally speaking. This time, however, the new software contains a very big
security fix.
So you might want to update your software on your iPhone right away. Samuel Burke is here to explain why.
So what are these vulnerabilities to the iPhone that we're just learning about?
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: We're just learning about them. And if you only remember one thing from this report, go and update your
iPad or your iPhone because security researchers at the University of Toronto have identified three major flaws that allow third parties to get
some incredible access to your phone.
I just want to put a list up on the screen so people can see. These flaws will allow this third-party software to track or record all of your text
messages, your e-mails, your passwords when you type them in, the cameras.
Of course, they could take video, your microphones -- that could include Viber and WhatsApp calls, your phone calls through your normal line, and
user movement so there is a.
GORANI: So your GPS basically.
BURKE: Exactly, so it could know exactly where you are. So there is a patch out right now.
GORANI: Yes.
BURKE: And I would very much want to do that. The committee (ph) to protect journalists.
GORANI: Yes.
BURKE: .is saying journalists should do it right away especially dissidents.
GORANI: Let me understand this. So there are companies that sell software that allow any user with the software in hand to track phones, passwords,
confidential information on an iPhone remotely?
BURKE: Just think about that case.
GORANI: Is it remote or does someone have to have access?
BURKE: So it's remote but they get access to your phone and then they can use it remotely. Think about the FBI. All of a sudden, they drop their
case with Apple and said, well, we've figured out another way in.
And most security experts believe that it was software from a company in the Middle East that allowed them to get into that phone. So what this
group at the University of Toronto is alleging is that an Israeli firm called NSO Group (ph), in this instance, was selling software to
governments all around the world -- some governments that some people may consider good and some governments that some people may consider bad.
And that this Israeli firm sold this software and that software was what was allowing some of these governments to get in. And they're alleging
that many dissidents have been targeted.
Now, NSO (ph), this Israeli cybersecurity firm, has responded to us. In a statement, they told me via e-mail, the following.
They said, quote, "The company sells only to authorized governmental agencies and fully complies with strict export control laws and
regulations. Moreover, the company does not operate any of its systems.
It is strictly a technology company."
GORANI: Yes. But then they sell the software. What about Apple, what are they saying?
BURKE: Well, it does seem like Apple is acknowledging this by the mere fact that you and I have both gotten the updates on our phones. And they
say this in the following statement, a spokesman telling us, quote, "We were made aware of this vulnerability and immediately fixed it with iOS
9.3.5."
That's what is available on your phone and your iPad right now. "We advise all of our customers to always download the latest version of iOS to
protect themselves against potential security exploits." But again, what this does, it all comes back to this famous FBI case with the San
Bernardino attacker and making you think, if a company can get into your iPhone or they can allow one government in, they might be allowed to --
they might allow any or every government in.
GORANI: Well, certainly.
[15:30:02] All right, well, always these security and privacy issues with thought these devices, computers and the like. Thanks very much and to our
viewers, update your software.
BURKE: Absolutely.
GORANI: The man known as Mr. Brexit joins Donald Trump on stage, the U.K.'s Nigel Farage after the message of encouragement for Trump's
supporters, coming up.
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GORANI: Welcome back and look at our top stories. There are some heartwarming stories out of the quake zone in Italy. The Italian Fire
Service of course is very much focused on humans, but sometimes you have a picture like this and it gives everyone puts a smile on people's faces.
This dog was pulled from the rubble after 30 hours and delivered to its cheerful owner. The quake devastated a stream of villagers in remote areas
at central Italy. The death toll now has now reached 250.
Also among the top stories we're following, Hillary Clinton says Donald Trump has built his presidential campaign on prejudice and paranoia. She's
currently giving a blistering speech, accusing her Republican rival of stream of bigotry.
Clinton's says Trump is reinforcing harmful stereotypes of minorities accusing him of ignoring and mistreating them for decades and now asking
for their votes.
And after 50 years of fighting, this is a significant development. Colombia's government and spark rebels have finally reached a peace deal.
It took nearly four years for negotiators to come to an agreement. And now it must be approved by a majority of Colombian voters in a referendum in
October.
North Korea's leader is celebrating after another launch of missile -- submarine-based ballistic missile. Kim Jong-Un said it was, "The greatest
success and victory." South Korea says it flew 500 kilometers before landing in the sea of Japan. Will Ripley is there.
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WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Rising from the waters off the eastern Korean peninsula, an ominous new threat from North Korea. The successful
of test firing submarine-launched ballistic missile Pukkuksong meaning of polaris (ph), the North Star, a weapon north Korean leader Kim Jong-Un says
puts the U.S. and its allies within in striking range of a nuclear attack.
A triumphant announcement on North Korean news. State propaganda images claims to show up perfect launch before dawn Wednesday, anxiety turns to
exhilaration. Kim Jong-un and his officers smiling and laughing as they track the missile some 500 kilometers, more than 300 miles further than any
previous attempt.
DANIEL PINKSTON, TROY UNIVERSITY: The testing and the phase of the development is very rapid.
[15:35:05] RIPLEY: A launch attempt just last month failed. A missile fired four months ago in April traveled just 30 kilometers, around 18
miles. Analysts believe Wednesday's missile traveled 16 times further, meaning it can strike anywhere in South Korea, home to 50 million people
and some 25,000 American troops.
The latest launch as U.S and South Korean forces engage in annual military exercises similar to these in the spring. Pyongyang views the annual
drills as a direct provocation. Troy University Professor Daniel Pinkston says war games are vital to keep the peace.
PINKSTON: Looking at North Korea's capabilities, their development programs for weapons of mass destruction and their delivery systems, the
rhetoric that comes out of Pyongyang, their objectives are very clear.
RIPELY: Weapons development continues at a breakneck pace, despite nearly universal condemnation and unprecedented international sanctions.
PINKSTON: They will allocate resources from other areas and devote it to the missile and nuclear programs.
RIPLEY: Kim Jong-un called Wednesdays before dawn launch, the greatest success and victory, feeling the intense pressure to succeed. One officer
appears overcome with tears of joy or perhaps relief. Will Ripley, CNN, Seoul.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: One of the most recognizable faces of Brexit is now a cheerleader for Donald Trump. Nigel Farage joined Trump at a rally yesterday in the
state of Mississippi. Now, it may seem unusual that Trump would turn to a British nationalist to boost his America first campaign.
But, both say there are parallels between Farage's successful push for Britain to leave the E.U. and Trump's call for America to re-declare
independence.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: The multiple national banks, the media celebrities, the big donors, tried to scare the British people out of
voting for change. The same thing is happening right here in the United States. It's happening.
All the people benefiting from our rigged system don't want things to change. They want you to believe things can't be changed. And they can,
so easily.
NIGEL FARAGE, MEMBER OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT (UKIP): I come to you from the United Kingdom with a message of hope and message optimism. It's a
message that says if the little people, if the real people, if the ordinary, decent people are prepared to stand up and fight for what they
believe in, we can overcome the big banks. We can overcome the multinationals.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Nigel Farage there in Mississippi. As for Hillary Clinton, she says there is something sinister in Trump's campaign message. She says
he's appealing to a hateful fringe of the right wing that is outside of mainstream America, there is even a special term for it. CNN's Brian
Stelter takes a look at the alt-right.
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BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: While Donald Trump says he's seeking minority voters.
TRUMP: I think we'll do great with African-Americans and with the Hispanics.
STELTER: Hillary Clinton is trying to tie Trump to the so-called "alt- right," a movement often associated with white nationalism.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Propelling the term alt-right into the national spotlight. Explain to us what alt-right is.
STELTER: The answer depends on who you ask.
JOY ANN REID, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: It's a dressed up version of the American neo-Nazi movement to be honest.
DOUG MCKELWAY, FOX NEWS CPRRESPONDENT: The mainstream media (inaudible) portray the alt-right as mob of unruly racist bigoted sexist uneducated
white males.
STELTER: Breitbart.com, the web site shared Stephen Bannon has proudly led the charge. Last month, Bannon told mother Johns we're the platforms for
the alt-right. Now, Bannon at the Trump campaign's CEO. And Clinton has sees all the connection calling the alt-right disturbing and extreme.
So, what is it, exactly?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's about us having a home, a place where we can be with people like ourselves.
STELTER: This video blogger says the movement, which started online several years ago is about ethnic nationalism. Race, specifically sense
that white identity is under assault in America feels the alt-right. But stand opposed to both progressive and the mainstream conservative thought.
Supporters say they're not racist or divisive but that is what some critics charge.
CHARLIE SYKES, CONSERVATIVE RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I spent 20 years trying to say conservatives are not racists. We are not misogynists. This is not
who we stand for. And now, suddenly, we have the Republican nominee who has become associated with the darkest elements of politics .
STELTER: Trump is the favorite of the mostly young, mostly white men who identify as alt-right.
TRUMP: We cannot afford to be so politically correct anymore.
[15:40:07] STELTER: Nativism and even racial separatism are themes of alt- right websites that embrace Trump. But some of the loudest adherence say they are just being provocative. Milo Yiannopoulos has become a face of
the movement through social media stunt. Though he is now been banned from Twitter. He is cheering on Trump.
MILO YIANNOPOULOS, BRITISH JOURNALIST: He represents the best hope we have of smashing political correctness apart, of breaking open, you know, all of
the taboos that thing stuff you're not supposed to say, allowing real debate to happen again.
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GORANI: All right. Let's get to perspective from CNN political commentator and Donald Trump supporter Jeffrey Lord. Let's talk about alt-
right. So this is a term that perhaps our international viewers may not be familiar with but Brian Stelter did a great job of explaining it.
Stephen Bannon, the new chair of the Trump campaign, also the executive chair of Breitbart, said of Breitbart, we are the platform for the alt-
right. What's the connection here between the Trump campaign and alt- right?
JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, apparently here, people out there in the so-called alt-right that are supporting Donald Trump, they are
nefarious people on all sides of the -- of this kind of thing. But I would suggest this, Breitbart has been a stellar campaigner against identity
politics, multiculturalism, diversity, things that I certainly believe are the racist descendants of slavery and segregation in this country.
Identity politics for instance, in other words, which are not supposed to be about ideas but are supposed to be about your race. When you do that in
this society, you breed racial division, and that's the whole point. This is what the American left has been all about from the moment Thomas
Jefferson allied the founding of the Democratic Party with slave owners, right until this very day.
GORANI: Without going back centuries in history, Stephen Bannon .
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GORANI: Your -- no -- right, but Stephen Bannon has said of Breitbart, we are the platform for the alt-right, so that means there has to be a
connection between the campaign. He's now the campaign chairman for Donald Trump.
LORD: I read Breitbart every day and there is no more stellar opponent of this racism. I mean this is flat out racism, diversity, identity politics,
multiculturalism, it's all about judging people by skin color, and Steve Bannon has done a fabulous job in opposing every last bit of it, and bravo
to him, this is the party of Lincoln.
GORANI: OK. So this is not -- these are accusations you think are groundless?
LORD: Yeah, I think .
GORANI: That there is a connection with this very far -- dark, far right, dark web racist indicative xenophobic group and Donald Trump.
LORD: If you're going to find somebody out there in the shadows doing this, I mean, it's in the day and age of the internet where this kind of
thing is all over the place, not only in both parties but just in general, I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if there is somebody out there like this,
but this is certainly not with.
What the Trump campaign is about and Donald Trump gave a very good speech today tackling this kind of thing head on, because I remember I worked for
Ronald Reagan. I remember when they kept saying Ronald Reagan was a racist and he was connected to the Ku Klux Klan and all these kind of thing. It's
a bunch of nonsense. And these are the people, their political formula is racism plus progressive of them -- progressive views equals political
power. That's what they have always done for 200 years and they're doing it now.
GORANI: OK. Well, let me ask you though a little bit about immigration here because we have heard a very different, very different message from
Donald Trump. He's not just softening his message. He is changing some of the promises and proposals he made for months when he was a candidate about
deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants.
Now, saying well, maybe we can work it out and if they pay taxes, essentially a path to citizenship somehow, or at least to remain in the
country. Why this just massive about face?
LORD: Well, I don't know that it is a massive about face. I mean, it's that as I've often said here in the last few days, when you sail -- I just
came back from vacation, so the analogy is appropriate. When you sail a boat, you're going -- you're trying to get for certain objective but you
can't go straight ahead. You go left, you go right, you tact runway, you tact the other. But the policy, the goal remains the same.
United States has opened its borders under this administration. They are unbelievably porous. We have all kinds of people we have no idea who they
are coming in here. This is serious problem.
GORANI: But Jeffrey, it is the exact opposite of the message that he's been .
LORD: Building a wall is .
GORANI: He said he will deport 11 million people and now he's saying the exact opposite of that which is that it's impossible to find a way just
because he's spoken to one immigrant, possible to find a way for many of them to stay. So, it is the exact opposite.
LORD: He has said from the beginning when people left that they would be allowed back in but we have to do this correctly. No country in the world
allows people to just walk into their country and settle. I mean, that is insanity.
GORANI: OK. All right, Jeffrey Lord, thanks very much, a Trump supporter. For more there on the latest in the campaign, we really appreciate your
time.
The candidate himself will join CNN later this evening.
[15:45:05] Viewers in London will be able to catch Anderson Cooper's interview with Donald Trump at 8:00 a.m. Friday in London on CNN. So it
will be in the morning London time, European time.
This is the World Right Now. Still ahead, a Canadian state palace that is fighting the effect of a horrible crime and helping its resident heal. The
CNN Freedom Project is next.
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GORANI: All right. All this week, we've been looking into sex trafficking in Canada's indigenous communities. Many young people who fall victims to
traffickers come from remote villages and some of them have horrifying stories to tell.
Now, some organizations are trying to help, and in our latest report, Paula Newton visits a healing lodge in the countryside.
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PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The location is hidden. This is meant to be a safe house. A natural setting evokes peace and a sense of freedom.
For months, this healing lodge is sheltered Lauren Chopek and cradled her with the love and protection she still needed.
LAUREN CHOPEK, SEX TRAFFICKING VICTIM: It's really important because if I didn't come here I probably would have died or something. I remember
waking up some mornings like this really painful. They're not in a crappy, unsafe place and I'm safe somewhere that I can like look outside and hear
all the birds and it's peaceful.
NEWTON: Just 14 when she arrived. Lauren had already survived a lifetime of pain. An emotionally troubled child, Lauren would at times run away
from home. Eventually, she fell victim to sexual exploitation and trafficking on the streets of Winnipeg. The breaking point came when
Lauren went missing for nine days, lured to a hotel by an older man.
CHOPEK: I'm pretty sure I was telling him I was like 20. People used to believe me when I said I was 20 year years old. I don't know, when I think
about that, I was only 14. I looked like a freaking child.
NEWTON: So, only now, five years later, that she realizes how vulnerable she was.
CHOPEK: When you experience sexual abuse, it's really confusing. You never know if it's your fault or is it theirs.
NEWTON: Lauren blamed herself and that made healing that much more difficult.
CHOPEK: Before I moved here, I used to blame myself, and even during the time I was living here, I used to blame myself. Everyday, I would say, I
let them do that to me, I'm dirty, it's my fault.
[15:50:06] NEWTON: But here, at the healing lodge, named Hands of Mother Earth or Home, Lauren says, she truly came to understand that she was a
victim. Home helped her connect with indigenous culture and promoted a spiritual path to healing that no one had ever shown her before.
CHOPEK: When you look at yourself and all you see is bad, and someone else will look at you and all you see is good. This was like my safe place
(inaudible). My family.
NEWTON: Diane Redsky, the Executive Director of Mawi Wi, the charity that conceive (inaudible) runs home. She said the fact that indigenous used
comprise the majority of sex trafficking victims in Manitoba means rehabilitation programs need a special cultural and spiritual focus.
DIANE REDSKY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MA MAWI WI CHI ITATA CENTRE, INC: The indigenous community is really rising up and it's been the leaders in the
forefront on the healing that needs to happen on looking at the prevention pieces and supporting victims. And those are very unique way to support
victims. It's not criminalize them anymore or de-victimize them anymore than they already have been. It really is as we say, loving them back to
health.
NEWTON: When she was here, Lauren embraced a traditional indigenous spirit name. She is striking eagle. She says she's starting to believe in what
that name stands for, a person who will leave a mark on this earth. Paula Newton, CNN, in rural Manitoba.
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GORANI: Well, tomorrow, you'll hear from a prosecutor fighting for justice for the victims.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's no question that this is a very difficult area to prosecute for a whole number of reasons.
NEWTON: This year, she successfully prosecuted 46-year-old Darrell Ackman, sentenced to 15 years for leaving off the veils of prostitution, making
child pornography and sexual assault. Seven victims came forward, five of them children. Two committed suicide before a verdict was even reached.
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GORANI: More tomorrow on our freedom project series, "CANADA'S STOLEN DAUGHTERS" on CNN. We'll be right back.
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GORANI: It's been a roller coaster few weeks for American Olympic swimmer Ryan Lochte, and now, another twist. Police in Brazil have asked a judge
to issue a summons for Lochte to appear in court over accusations he filed a false police report. However, he is free to send a lawyer and not appear
in prison. If he's convicted, Lochte could face one to six months in jail but the judge could issue a fine instead.
A debate over what Muslim women can wear on beaches in France is heating up. The French prime minister says burkini is a symbol of enslavement.
Erin McLaughlin looks at the reaction to the controversial burkini run.
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ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: These images have sparked an intense and global debate. Armed police stand over a Muslim woman, interrupting
her enjoyment of the French seaside. They seemed to order her to remove some of her clothes and forcing the so-called burkini ban, prohibition of
full-length swim suits. Now, in place in the coastal city of Neace.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, how would you feel if a nun at gunpoint was told to take off her habit?
MCLAUGHLIN: Social media cries of sexism, racism and hypocrisy #wearwhatyouwant is trending. And around the world, cartoonists tell has a
(inaudible) at France's expense. This one from Steph (ph), a cartoonist critical of the ban.
[15:55:16] The streets of London, dozens of protesters gathered to express their outreach.
As you can see, they've set up a makeshift beach here outside the French embassy compete with inner tubes, towels, lots of sand. Organizers tell me
this is an act of solidarity.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Women ought to make their own choice about what they wear, whether that be a bikini or burkini, it makes no difference.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm a priest in the Church of England so I'm wearing my uniform and I'm wearing it because I heard this story about women and
exercising their religious faith by what they chose to wear and I'm -- and they were treated in a way which is totally unacceptable and must have been
very intimidating and frightening. So, I wanted to stand in some solidarity with them.
MCLAUGHLIN: In France, the media talks of little else, and some politicians warned the ban for about racism and violate the constitution,
others are doubling down. Thursday, Prime Minister Manual Val called the burkini coat a symbol of enslavement of women. And in Belgium, politicians
discuss a ban of their own. Earlier this week, in a newspaper interview, the mayor of Antwerp said, "In the past, a Muslim woman could only sit in a
tent on the beach. Now, she's allowed to put that tent on and go into the ocean with it. We're improving."
Australian designer Aheda Zanetti says, these politicians don't understand. She designed one popular take on the burkini, the top, the
bottom, and the hood, to promote integration.
AHEDA ZANETTI, AUSTRALIAN DESIGNER: The burkini was born in Australia, you know, amongst Australian lifestyle and it was meant to integrate within the
Australian society, you know? We didn't want to be judged upon by Muslim, non-Muslim and so forth. We just out there to swim.
MCLAUGHLIN: Erin Mclaughlin, CNN, London.
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GORANI: I've also heard a lot from you online. We've posted the debate that we had yesterday on the program on our Facebook page. You can go to
facebook.com/halagoranicnn. You can check that out as well as some of the interviews, analysis, and reports from today's program.
Facebook.com/halagoranicnn.
This has been the World Right Now. Thanks for watching. I'll see you same time, same place tomorrow. Quest Means Business is up next on CNN.
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