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Trump Shares Physical with Dr. Oz; Inside the Trump Organization; Rift between State Department and Pentagon; Race for the White House; U.K. Police Report Increase in Hate Crimes; U.S., Israel Sign Military Deal; Former General Denounces Robert Mugabe; Hackers Steal Olympians' Medical Data; E.U. in Existential Crisis. Aired 3-4p ET
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HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN HOST (voice-over): Tonight: medical records and reality television. Donald Trump takes another unexpected turn on the
U.S. campaign trail.
Then a fragile truce in Syria could be causing friction between the U.S. State Department and the Pentagon. We're live in Damascus and Washington.
And later: Russian hackers versus U.S. Olympians. We'll look at the leaked medical details that could tarnish medals.
Hello, good evening to you, I'm Hannah Vaughan Jones, standing in for Hala Gorani, live from CNN London and this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
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JONES: Hello. Welcome to you.
We've come to expect the unexpected in the U.S. presidential race but the controversy over medical records is turning into a drama fit for reality
TV. After considerable back-and-forth today over will he or won't he do it, Trump ended up revealing the results of his recent physical exam on a
taping of the "Dr. Oz" show. We won't see that interview until tomorrow.
But Trump's campaign says he handed the celebrity physician a one-page summary of the results. Trump's surrogates have been hammering Hillary
Clinton over a lack of transparency about her health after she withheld her pneumonia diagnosis. Both candidates have pledged to release more medical
information.
Trump's doctor appointment on national TV may give the appearance of transparency.
But will it meet demands for a full accounting of his health and medical history?
We're joined now by our senior media correspondent, Brian Stelter.
Brian, good to talk to you as always.
First he said he would, then he wouldn't, now he has.
First of all, why the media run-around?
BRIAN STELTER, CNNMONEY SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: We saw once again today choosing this daytime television forum to talk about his health
indicating earlier in the day he would not share a recent medical exam, a physical that he undertook, then showing up and handing over the paper and
revealing some of the details.
Once again, he is showing that he learned a lot from his reality TV days that he's now bringing to U.S. presidential politics. And now that we're
hearing some of the details, I think what we're seeing here is not real transparency but it looks like transparency.
You know what I mean?
He's acting like he's being transparent, getting the "Dr. Oz" seal of approval, which will mean a lot to some viewers. But it will not stop the
calls for further, more detailed medical information.
The reality is, journalists and voters at large deserve and are owed more information from both Clinton and Trump about their medical histories. We
learned a little bit today but not a lot.
JONES: So what you're saying is, this is minimum output for maximum effect from Mr. Trump.
STELTER: Precisely. I could not have said it better than that. We learned, for example, that Trump wants to lose about 15 pounds.
Who among us doesn't?
We also learned that he hasn't been golfing much, he hasn't been exercising much at all. He told Oz, he indicated his cholesterol actually is pretty
low, but his testosterone is high, that he is a bit overweight. We'll get the exact numbers I think tomorrow.
But the reality is this is just scratching the surface in terms what voters probably should know about these presidential candidates.
JONES: And, Brian, both candidates taking slightly different approaches to media coverage this week. Hillary Clinton, of course, recovering from
pneumonia but a big onslaught from her in terms of her TV ads while, of course, Donald Trump will be hoping that this medical revelation will help
him as well.
Who's got the edge, do you think?
That's right. We see Donald Trump taking advantage of free media, going on shows like "Dr. Oz" and, tomorrow, "The Tonight Show." Then Hillary
Clinton mostly sticking with TV ads, spending many of millions of dollars on ads in battleground states.
So a typical, we would call old-fashioned campaign strategy versus Donald Trump's very unusual, atypical campaign strategy. The polls remain pretty
tight but Clinton clearly has advantages all across the country. So we will see if Trump's highly unusual campaign strategy can actually help him
make inroads in the next two months.
JONES: Brian, always good to talk to you. Brian Stelter, thanks so much indeed.
Away from the glare of the cameras, another story is emerging about Trump's global business ties. "Newsweek" says a close examination of the Trump
organization reveals a secretive web of dealings that poses a major conflict of interest. Well, the report says -- and I quote --
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JONES: "Never before has an American candidate for president had so many financial ties with American allies and enemies and never before has a
business posed such a threat to the United States.
"If Donald Trump wins this election and his company is not immediately shut down or forever severed from the Trump family, the foreign policy of the
United States of America could well be for sale."
Well, the author of that report spoke earlier to CNN.
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KURT EICHENWALD, "NEWSWEEK": You have a Trump partnership in Azerbaijan. The partner is a son of a government official, who American intelligence
has linked to money laundering for the Iranian military.
You know, these are not just people. These are not just business men. These are people of enormous political influence, of enormous political
connections. And Trump supports Brexit because it would be good for his golf course.
Imagine what you're talking about when you're talking about the entirety of the Trump organization's overseas operations.
You know, will he side with the interests of our ally in Turkey?
Or will he react because the Turkish president is attacking him and attacking his business there?
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JONES: Well, we will be discussing this in much more detail later on in the show with political analysts, do stay tuned for that.
In the meantime, let's turn now to Syria. And the U.S. and Russia agree the truce is holding and they're extending it by 48 hours. Hopefully
that'll be enough time to get an aid convoy moving to the besieged city of Aleppo in the north; 20 trucks loaded with food and supplies have been
stuck on the Syrian-Turkish border held up by safety concerns.
The U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon says he's urging the U.S. and Russia to negotiate safe passage for the convoy with the Syrian government. Well,
our Frederik Pleitgen joins me now live from the capital, Damascus.
And, Fred, early days in this ceasefire.
But is there confidence that it's holding and will hold?
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, certainly, the people here that we speak to say that they do believe that
it's holding. I think you can tell from the from what the U.N. is saying, what the U.S. and Russia are saying, that there's certainly been at the
very least a significant decrease in violence here in this country.
In fact, in the areas that are not held by ISIS or other groups that are linked to Al Qaeda, they say that there's almost no casualties in those
areas. That doesn't mean that there haven't been breaches of the ceasefire but certainly it has been very little.
Now what is the hope for the future?
That is a little more difficult. Many Syrians that we've been speaking to, Hannah, say, look, they've been in a similar situation before. There have
been local ceasefires in Syria. There've been nationwide ceasefires in Syria, mostly brokered by the U.S. and Russia.
And those have fallen apart in the past. People here have been disappointed time and again over the past six years.
So many of them are saying, they're not getting too excited at this point just yet but certainly also, speaking to some folks in Aleppo, they say
that the situation there over the past 48 hours has been a lot better than it has been in recent times; of course, Aleppo one of the main
battlegrounds over the past couple of months.
And the main thing now that international community is trying to do, the U.N. is trying to do, as you mention, is trying to get those aid convoy
trucks into the besieged areas of Aleppo. It's very, very difficult negotiations going on there right now, not just safety concerns but also
trying to get the permissions to get those trucks through those checkpoints that would lead into that city -- Hannah.
JONES: And, Fred, whilst this ceasefire is in place, of course, the military assaults on ISIS targets continues. You've got some information
about an attack on Palmyra. Tell us more about that.
PLEITGEN: Yes. Yes. Absolutely. That's one of the main things about this ceasefire. It's not just a cessation of hostility, it's also supposed
to lead to more military cooperation between the U.S. and Russia, specifically in the fight against ISIS and groups formerly affiliated with
Al Qaeda.
And there, the Russians are saying that, on Tuesday, their jets hit targets north of the city of Palmyra, which is that ancient excavation site, one of
the main tourist attractions it was before it was taken over by ISIS for a while here in Syria. It is now mostly or does now mostly have Syrian
forces and Russian forces in it.
And the Russian military says that it's killed some 250 ISIS militants in those airstrikes, also destroyed at least 15 ISIS vehicles north of
Palmyra. And one of the things about Palmyra is that there is still significant Russian presence there in Palmyra. And they've also been
attacked by ISIS a couple of times.
So it is a very, very important military installation for the Russians and an area where we've been seeing increased Russian air operations over the
past couple of weeks.
JONES: Fred, we appreciate it. Fred Pleitgen there, live for us in Damascus.
And as Fred was telling us there about U.S. and Russian cooperation, we should move on to this story that "The New York Times" is reporting on a
rift --
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JONES: -- between the State Department and the Pentagon over the Syria ceasefire.
"The Times" says the Defense Secretary, Ash Carter, has quote, "deep reservations" about the plan for U.S. and Russian forces to go after terror
groups together.
Listen to this exchange between our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr, and a military spokesman, this from Tuesday.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anybody that we work with will ensure that they have the capability to precisely understand what the target is, what weapons
they're using and ensure that the weapons are delivered with proportionality on military appropriate targets.
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: I still don't understand what you're saying.
So, number one, are you going to require the Russians and the regime to use precision-guided munitions as a condition of you working with them?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are still very early in the process when it comes to the agreement with the Russians.
And I think the important key to remember right now is we will continue to do prudent planning with respect to any implementation. But the reality is
we have to get through six more days of the Russians and the regime doing the right thing.
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JONES: Well, Barbara Starr joins me now live.
And, Barbara, we're kind of used to the U.S. and Russia having a tense relations but now it looks like there's some tension right at the heart of
the administration. Tell us more.
STARR: Well, hi, Hannah. You know the Pentagon will tell you, no, absolutely not, no tension with the State Department, full support for
Secretary John Kerry's efforts on the cessation of hostilities agreement and, of course, just a short time ago, that extension with the Russians of
another 48 hours.
But, while there may not be a rift between the Pentagon and the State Department, that doesn't mean there isn't a little bit of concern. Defense
Secretary Ash Carter publicly supporting it but also making it clear that he does not necessarily trust the Russians up front.
And neither, obviously, as we saw from that general, does the U.S. military. They will tell you it's not about trust, it's about
verification. They want to see the Russians and the Syrian regime obey what they have all agreed to, obey it now for several more days and then
sit down and work out this scheme for them to coordinate on future operations.
But right now, what they are saying is they still need to see the continued cessation of hostilities and they need to see the Syrian regime make sure
that humanitarian supplies can get to those civilians inside Syria -- Hannah
JONES: If this ceasefire actually holds, the plan is, isn't it, that, six days later, that the U.S. and Russia will actually cooperate militarily and
then share intelligence as well when it comes to targeting ISIS and the like?
How realistic is that?
STARR: Well, that's the big question now. And it's exactly the right point to focus on. They're supposed to be aiming towards doing that, there
is supposed to be some sort of joint implementation center set up somewhere possibly in Europe, possibly in the Middle East where they will agree on
how to carry all of this out.
But one of the big questions that is still out there, you know, it may sound very technical but it's crucial. The U.S. uses precision-guided
munitions. It has probably better than 90 percent rate of hitting the target it's aiming at. The Russians do not use precision-guided munitions;
routinely the Syrians do not, either.
So the question is, if you share intelligence with the Russians and they use so the-called dumb bombs, unguided bombs, and they hit a hospital, they
hit civilians and you've provided the intelligence for that but they're not precision weapons, they hit something else, what is the moral, what is the
legal responsibility of the U.S. being involved in all of that?
Just some of the questions really that still have to be worked out.
JONES: Yes, and we will see how this all pans out over the course of the coming days. Of course, Barbara Starr, live for us in Washington, we
appreciate it, thank you.
STARR: Sure.
JONES: Now still to come tonight, police say an horrific attack on a pregnant woman in the U.K. was racially motivated. We'll have all the
details on that.
And Israel's military will get the biggest assistance from the U.S. ever. Details of the record deal ahead.
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JONES: Hello, welcome back to the program.
Let's return now to some very serious allegations about conflicts of interest against Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.
Will a "Newsweek" report raise enough concerns to hurt Mr. Trump in the polls?
Time and time again, he's shrugged off any controversial stories, managing to weather any storms. Let's bring in "Washington Post" reporter, Aaron
Blake.
And, Aaron, it's been called by some the biggest ever conflict of interest to a presidential candidate.
Will this stick or will he just shrug it off?
AARON BLAKE, "THE WASHINGTON POST": That's certainly how it's being presented by "Newsweek." It's a story about the connections that he has
basically all over the world, a difference between Trump and many other people who might have those connections is that he's basically, you know,
sold his brand essentially and entered into agreements with people all over the world, including in some areas with people who are maybe less than
reputable people.
So there are a lot of lines being drawn. There are a lot of potential conflicts of interest.
You know, we really need to find out more when it comes to all of these ties, from his tax returns, from disclosure from the campaign, in a way
that we just haven't been seeing it so far.
JONES: This election campaign has been hampered by e-mail leaks, affecting both candidates. Colin Powell now, former secretary of state, now his e-
mails have dubbed Donald Trump "a national disgrace and an embarrassment," but also Hillary Clinton, he said about her that "everything she touches,
she messes up."
Is this going to be damaging to both candidates, either candidate as far as the electorate is concerned?
BLAKE: Well, I think it's probably not all that surprising that he doesn't think highly of Donald Trump. There hasn't been any actual suggestion that
he might back Trump. But there was, I think, a suggestion that he might come around one day and endorse Hillary Clinton. He has endorsed President
Obama in both 2008 and 2012, despite having been a Republican secretary of state.
So far, though, he's resisted that inclination and a lot of these e-mails actually show he has quite bad things to say about Clinton, saying she
looks "sleazy for good reason," saying that she's handled this e-mail situation very poorly.
She's actually invoked him several times in defending her use of a private server in ways that he did not like.
So it remains to be seen whether he's actually going to come around and endorse her but the e-mails certainly make clear that he is not going to be
terribly happy in doing that and, if he did so, it would be a situation where Hillary Clinton was kind of the lesser of two evils.
JONES: Aaron, let's talk a little bit about the state of the race as things stand at the moment. And in particular those swing states as well.
Some polling out at the moment showing that Donald Trump is really making gains, even taking the lead now from Hillary Clinton in a key state.
For our viewers are just seeing there, an Ohio poll at moment, putting Donald Trump on 44 percent, Hillary Clinton only 39 percent.
How worried will the Clinton campaign be?
BLAKE: Well, this continues something that we've been seeing for a couple weeks now, which is that Trump is actually closing in the polls and perhaps
even taking leads in a couple of swing states.
There was also a poll today in Nevada, which is a swing state that has been trending towards Democrats in recent years. And that showed Trump ahead
slightly.
So, you know, several weeks ago, Clinton was leading in a lot of these states by mid-, high --
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BLAKE: -- single digits, as many as double digits. The race has certainly closed both nationally and in these states. I think if you're the Clinton
campaign, you have to, you know, still feel like you are the front-runner in this race; clearly, that's what the polls show at this point.
But it's not as much of a no-doubter as it once seemed to be. This is certainly going to be something that they have to fight and actually win
this campaign.
JONES: Aaron, always good to talk to you, Aaron Blake from "The Washington Post," thanks very much indeed.
BLAKE: Thank you.
JONES: We turn our attention now to a horrific story right here in the United Kingdom. A pregnant woman lost her baby after a brutal attack that
police say was racially aggravated. She was kicked in the stomach and suffered a miscarriage as a result.
A man was arrested in connection. Erin McLaughlin joins me now here in the studio with more on this.
So we know that someone has been arrested.
But we do we know any more detail as to why this woman in particular was targeted?
ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Hannah. They have announced the arrest of the 37-year-old suspect today. We understand that
the incident actually happened, though, early August, August 6th, it was 9:40 pm at night. She was at her local grocery store shopping when this
man approached her, began to verbally attack her and then followed her out to the parking lot.
Another man tried to intervene on her behalf; that is when the suspect, according to the police, struck him over the head with a bottle and ice and
then struck her in the torso. She was pregnant. According to media reports, he repeatedly kicked her on the ground.
Now in terms of why police are saying this is racially motivated, they're not being specific on that. But British media is reporting that she was
wearing a headscarf.
And now we're getting reaction from the Muslim Council of Britain, which has released a statement -- I'll read it to you in part, saying, quote, "We
need strong action now from the authorities to show that they are taking all hate crimes seriously, including Islamophobia, which findings show has
increased in recent times, especially post-Brexit."
JONES: There is some evidence, isn't there, that hate crime is on the rise here in the U.K.?
But is there evidence yet as to why?
What's brought it all about?
MCLAUGHLIN: Well, that is the question, subject right now, of some intense debate. But you are right, NGOs saying that there has been a marked uptick
in the number of hate crimes this country has seen in the wake of the E.U. referendum, specifically targeting foreigners as well as immigrants,
especially members of the Muslim population as well as members of the Eastern European population.
In fact, just this week, Channel 4 airing this really shocking report, in which they caught an incident of verbal abuse on camera. They were
actually in Leeds, talking to a young Polish woman because, in her front yard, a Polish man had been beaten by a group of teenagers. And during
that interview, she was verbally attacked.
I want to play for you a part of that report.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not less than anyone else just because I'm Polish. I'm still a person. I'm still an individual who lives here, pays
taxes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): At this point, we hear a screech of brakes and a car stops outside.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is just my home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have no idea.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They just shouted out (INAUDIBLE) Polish (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, Polish (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this something that -- is this something that you've experienced before in any way?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In what way?
What do you mean?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We had stones being thrown at our windows and I've been sweared at many times.
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JONES: Erin, if the number of crimes reported has decreased, does that suggest there is less crime or just that people are fearful of reporting
it?
MCLAUGHLIN: Well, NGOs I've been talking to have suggested that that's perhaps because that kind of incident that we just saw there maybe has
become normal. That's why people have not been reporting it as much to police.
We've seen a marked decrease according to the police the number of incidents reported this month, though they spiked in late July.
Interesting to note as well that Polish and British authorities are working together on this issue.
Earlier this year, there was an attack; a Polish man was killed in Essex and the motive for that attack still very much under investigation.
However, Poland, according to British media reports today, is sending two police officers to Essex to try and patrol the streets and ease racial
tensions there. The Polish minister's --
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MCLAUGHLIN: -- calling for British authorities to educate its public on the rights of Polish people in a post-Brexit era.
JONES: Erin, we appreciate it, Erin McLaughlin, thank you.
Now in the last hour, the U.S. and Israel signed a deal that means the Obama administration will provide Israel the single largest military
assistance in U.S. history. Israel is set to receive about $38 billion over 10 years. CNN's Oren Liebermann has all the details for us now from
Tel Aviv.
And, Oren, why now?
OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: For the two leaders there, President Obama and Prime Minister Netanyahu, there different motivations between the
two of them that led to this happening right now.
For President Obama, this is, first, a way of keeping Israel a bipartisan issue between Democrats and Republicans but it's also a way of perhaps
attempting to burnish his pro-Israel legacy. He's not seen as being very pro-Israel in Israel. So giving the largest military aid deal in U.S.
history may be an attempt to change his legacy here, to improve his legacy here.
For Prime Minister Netanyahu, he didn't want to go into negotiations about this $38 billion deal while the Iran deal negotiations were going on. Some
speculated he would wait until after the elections, hoping he would get a better deal from the next president but he even rebuffed attempts by his
finance minister and his defense minister to get him to sign this deal a few minutes ago, saying he would sign when he was ready.
Suddenly, in the last few weeks, there was a flurry of activity. Reports that he would sign soon, finally the signing today, perhaps not wanting to
wait until the elections, the volatility, the unpredictability of the American elections, and he decided to sign beforehand.
Now one interesting point: the president released a statement a short time ago after the signing of this memorandum of understanding and he linked it
to a two-state solution. He linked it to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which is something unusual at face value; the two don't seem to be all that
related.
This is what the president had to say.
He says, "The only way for Israel to endure and thrive as a Jewish and democratic state is through the realization of an independent and viable
Palestine. Ultimately, both this MOU and efforts to advance the two-state solution are motivated by the same core U.S. objective, ensuring that
Israelis can live alongside their neighbors in peace and security."
That, perhaps, a big statement from President Obama, linking this U.S.- Israel military aid deal to a two-state solution -- Hannah.
JONES: We are talking about vast sums of money, $38 billion over a decade's period.
What is it actually going to mean in practice on the ground then?
LIEBERMANN: At face value, the deals look very similar but there are significant differences. First, the increase from about $30 billion over
10 years to $38 billion over 10 years. That looks like a more than 20 percent increase.
But here are the differences and here is where Prime Minister Netanyahu made some major concessions.
First, analysts say he wanted more, perhaps between $40 billion and $50 billion but, in the end, settled for $38 billion.
Second, one of the major concessions is that in the previous deal, the current deal that is set to expire in 2018, Netanyahu and Israel were able
to use 26 percent, about a quarter of that money from America, on Israeli technology, the only country in the world that's able to do that.
That percentage will now go to zero, which means all the money that Israel is able to use on its own defense budget now has to go back to American
technology.
Furthermore, another big difference -- and this is also a significant difference -- under the current aid deal, Netanyahu was able to go back to
the U.S. Congress every year and ask for more money, for example for missile defense systems.
Under the current aid deal -- I'm sorry; under the new aid deal, that will no longer be possible. So it'll be locked in at $38 billion over 10 years.
Now when you break down the deal, it's a $33 billion agreement and $5 billion for missile defense. When you compare the last deal, $30 billion
to $33 billion, the increase, not as big as it appears -- Hannah.
JONES: Thank you for breaking down all the figures for us, Oren Liebermann, live for us there in Tel Aviv. Thank you.
Now still to come on THE WORLD RIGHT NOW, Donald Trump shares the results of his recent physical exam by giving a one-page summary to a celebrity
doctor on TV.
Will that meet the demands for full disclosure about his health?
And discontent is growing in Zimbabwe and isn't just on the streets. We go inside the country for a rare exclusive look at the growing movement to
oust Zimbabwe's leader.
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JONES (voice-over): Welcome back, you're watching THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Let's take a look at the global headlines now.
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JONES: And Donald Trump is returning to his reality TV roots, choosing to reveal the results of his recent physical exam on a celebrity doctor's talk
show. The U.S. Republican presidential candidate handed a Dr. Mehmet Oz a brief summary of his results today. The taped program will air on
Thursday.
CNN's MJ Lee spent the morning reporting outside of the studio, where the Dr. Oz taping took place and she joins us now from New York with more on
this.
And, MJ, a one-page summary of his health, what exactly does it tell us?
MJ LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, well, remember, this is the candidate whose doctor claims would be the healthiest individual ever elected to the
presidency. It appears as though Dr. Oz came to the same conclusion -- or at least that Donald Trump is in very good health.
Let's first take a look at this clip that "The Dr. Oz Show" just released. This exchange between Trump and Dr. Oz.
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DR. MEHMET OZ, TV SHOW HOST: It means, from your review of systems, why not share your medical records?
Why not -- ?
DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, I have really no problem in doing it. I have it right here.
I mean, should I do it?
I don't care.
Should I do it?
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TRUMP: It's two letters. One is the report and the other is from Lennox Hill Hospital (ph).
OZ: May I see them?
TRUMP: Yes, sure.
OZ: So these are the reports.
LEE (voice-over): So the big question heading into this interview was whether Donald Trump would actually discuss the result of this recent
physical exam. And it appears as though he did in fact go ahead and do that. We will, of course, get more details tomorrow when the interview
actually airs.
But we did stand outside of "The Dr. Oz Show" studio to talk to audience members as they came out. And we learned some interesting things. And I
want to share a couple of the things that we found out from the audience members.
Trump said that he is on statins, that's a kind of drug that you take to manage your cholesterol level and apparently his cholesterol level now is
in very good shape. He said that he would like to lose some weight, at least 15 to 20 pounds.
He also said that he wants to play more golf and he stated in very Trumpian fashion that he's so good at golf that he could probably play with the PGA.
Now one topic that didn't really get mentioned today is Hillary Clinton. She, of course, has been resting at home in Chappaqua ever since she --
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LEE: -- found out or was revealed, rather, over the weekend that she has been diagnosed with pneumonia. This is why the issue of health and medical
records has been such a big deal on the 2016 campaign trail over the last few days or so. Both candidates are facing a lot of pressure to reveal
more about their medical records and their medical backgrounds.
JONES: Yes. Going back to Donald Trump's medical and what he's released so far, the doctor who actually conducted this medical was the same guy as
you mentioned before, who, at one point, said that, if elected, he'd be the most healthy president ever. That seems rather farfetched.
So how reliable is this medical?
LEE: Well, I think that's a very good question. When Donald Trump first put out that letter, it did say some sort of comical things and language
that raised the eyebrows of many other doctors.
He said things like, "When he is elected president, he would be the healthiest person ever elected president."
And you're right, there's no way for one doctor to make that claim. I think we'll have to see what kind of specific numbers and statistics we
actually get from the Trump campaign tomorrow and how much was actually revealed on "The Dr. Oz Show."
The expectation is that a lot of the things that were talked about were talked about in sort of sweeping terms. That's at least according to some
of the audience members that we spoke to. But we do expect the headline to be that Dr. Oz believes and Trump's doctor believes that Trump's health is
in very good shape.
JONES: We will wait to hear the results of that medical tomorrow. MJ, appreciate it, thank you.
And just so you know, CNN will be releasing its own swing state polls in just about 20 minutes' time. You'll see new numbers out of Ohio and
Florida at the top of "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS." Do stay tuned our way for that.
Robert Mugabe has ruled Zimbabwe for nearly 40 years, often with an iron fist but now protesters are hitting the streets, calling for the president
to go. And they aren't the only ones. A former general who became Zimbabwe's ambassador to Russia is now denouncing him.
David McKenzie has been reporting exclusively inside Zimbabwe and joins us now from Johannesburg.
David, you've managed to get insight into life in Zimbabwe.
What else have you uncovered?
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Hannah, you do describe those protests that have been pushing up against the regime of Robert Mugabe for
weeks, in fact, months. And that has been a major pressure point for the long-time president but it's also these allies, these powerful war veterans
that are going up against him.
And it does mean that Mugabe is the most vulnerable he's been for a very long time.
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MCKENZIE (voice-over): Followers of Robert Mugabe invading a farm in Zimbabwe, the mob ready to attack.
MCKENZIE: There was a big gang of people out here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, yes. (INAUDIBLE).
There were about 50 (INAUDIBLE) 50 people. I like it.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Agrippa Mutanbarra (ph) took the footage with his mobile phone. But they didn't count on his years as a combat commander in
the liberation war.
AGRIPPA MUTANBARRA, FORMER COMMANDER: I took my pistol. And cocked it. When I did that, the whole went down.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): The invasion was a dramatic turn-around because, for decades, Mutanbarra (ph) benefited from his loyalty to Mugabe's regime.
The government took this farm from a white family and gave it to him.
The so-called farm invasions, often violent and sometimes deadly, shocked the outside world. Mugabe said it was an accelerated program of
redistribution but it helped solidify his rule.
MUTANBARRA (PH): Later I realized that he has actually dictatorial tendencies.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Now Mutanbarra (ph) says that tactics are being turned against powerful supporters like him, who have turned their back on
Mugabe.
MUTANBARRA (PH): The moral values that he has passed during the struggle, he was no longer following those moral values.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): In his 36 years in power, Mugabe has never faced so many challenges to his rule. A rising citizens' movement, a cash crunch so
severe, we saw people lining up for hours just to try and draw money.
On the streets, Zimbabweans will tell you they are struggling.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Most depend on informal jobs like this or remittances from overseas to survive. Many blame the president.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The old man is old. He can't control the situation. He's failing. We are dying of hunger. It's been
three or four years without having a job.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): In rural areas, at least 4 million people are now hungry from a devastating drought. Zimbabwe has faced tough times before
but now struggle stalwarts like Mutanbarra (ph) are joining the opposition.
MCKENZIE: Do you feel Zimbabwe now needs another revolution?
MUTANBARRA (PH): Well, it's already taking place.
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MUTANBARRA (PH): We attained independence. Yes, we're able to exorcise the colonial demon. But I think we in place also created another demon.
Until there is a change in the way government is running Zimbabwe, the revolution must continue.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): A rebellion from within.
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MCKENZIE: Well, really, Mutanbarra (ph) and others like him say they want to wait until the 2018 elections to push Mugabe out at the ballot. But if
you look at the situation, the cash crunch, the health of the 92-year-old Mugabe, it might be that they don't event get to see that point -- Hannah.
JONES: David McKenzie, live for us there in Johannesburg, thank you.
Do stay with us here on THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. After the break, we'll be discussing the future of the E.U. Stay tuned.
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JONES: Now a number of high profile U.S. Olympic athletes are saying they've done nothing wrong after their private medical records were leaked
online. Decorated gymnast Simone Biles and tennis superstar Venus Williams are among them. The World Anti-Doping Agency has accused a Russian spy
group of hacking its files. Matthew Chance is in Moscow now with more on Russia's response to this.
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Already the Kremlin has rejected outright the allegation that this latest hack is
anything to do with them. A spokesman said that we can say without hesitation that any involvement on the part of official Moscow, the Russian
government or any Russian secret services is strictly out of the question.
That's become a standard (INAUDIBLE) in response to the growing number of hack attacks, in which Russian-backed organizations are being blamed.
That's a group calling itself Fancy Bear (ph) that says it carried out the wider attack to show, in its words, truth of famous athletes taking doping
substances. Fancy Bear (ph) is one of two main hacking groups. The other one known as Cozy Bear (ph).
Known to researchers since at least 2008 and linked by law enforcement officials to the Russian security services, experts say there's not much
digital or technical evidence for that link. The hackers are highly skilled at hiding their origin.
But there's plenty of circumstantial evidence pointing to Moscow. Firstly, the hackers use expensive digital tools, state-of-the-art technology which
may indicate state backing.
They also attack political, not economic targets and not criminals trying to empty your bank accounts. And most interestingly, they tend to target
individuals or targets aligned with Russian interests. They target the critics, the rivals, the enemies of Russia, not its supporters. The latest
WADA attack is a good example --
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CHANCE: -- of that. Recently, of course, Russian athletes were banned from the Olympics and the Paralympics under allegations of state-sponsored
doping. To many, this looks like a clear-cut case of digital revenge. Matthew Chance, CNN, Moscow.
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JONES: Let talk more about this with CNN "WORLD SPORT's" Christina Macfarlane, who joins me in the studio as you can see. And we've had some
more response from Russia, the sports minister has been talking.
CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's right, Hannah. We had another very strongly worded statement from the sports minister, Vitaly
Mutko (ph), in the past few hours to do with Russia's connection with this hacking group.
He said, "How can one possibly prove that the hackers were from Russia?
Nowadays, Russia is blamed for everything and it seems to be the trend these days.
That is, of course, despite the fact that the World Anti-Doping Agency, WADA, have categorically come out and said that this group are linked to
Russia. They've also revealed that they are the subject of ongoing cyber attacks and they say it's making it impossible for them to reestablish
their connection and their trust in Russia obviously after the allegations of state-sponsored doping.
JONES: When it comes to the U.S. athletes who've been named in this and their details revealed, why have they had any kind of exemption when it
comes to the medication that they're taking?
MACFARLANE: Yes, it's an interesting point. And this has, obviously, been the allegations that have been leveled at these athletes, that they've been
taking strong drugs, justified by the use of therapeutic exemptions.
Now these are known, in anti-doping speak, as TUEs. And it's important to clarify them because they're -- or this is not illegal. Therapeutic use
exemptions is something when an athlete applies to the anti-doping agency to use a drug for medical grounds and then they're granted permission to do
so or not.
It is very different for being caught out for a performance-enhancing drug, which obviously athletes in the past have used for covert means to heighten
performance. And in the past hour, we heard from the governing body of women's tennis, the WTA, to clarify this because obviously one of their
athletes, Venus Williams, was implicated in the hack. And she gave her statement earlier today.
JONES: So Venus Williams has commented and also I think we've heard from Simone Biles as well.
How are they responding to this kind of criticism, I suppose?
MACFARLANE: Yes, well, the athletes who we know of who've been named and have responded to this are actually quite calm about this because they say
they've done nothing wrong.
Simone Biles, perhaps the biggest name of the three, four golds at the Rio Olympics, she was very quick to respond on Twitter, she said this or she
revealed this, "I have ADHD and I've taken medicine for it since I was a kid.
"Please note, I believe in a clean sport and have always followed the rules and will continue to do so as fair play is critical to sport and very
important to me."
As I mentioned, Venus Williams was the other athlete named and basketball player Elena Delaton (ph), both of whom say that they followed the rules
with regards to the anti-doping agency.
What's interesting, Hannah, is I don't think we've seen the end of this. The hacking group say that they will be releasing more names and we're
still waiting to hear from many athletes who have also been implicated in the hack.
JONES: All right. We'll wait to hear of more revelations. Christina, thanks very much indeed.
You're watching -- this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. You're watching THE WORLD RIGHT NOW even.
Coming up, what's the future of the E.U.?
One of its leaders says the union is facing an existential crisis. We'll discuss this with a prominent member of the European Parliament.
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JONES: Welcome back. And now to a stern warning about the future of Europe. The president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, has
said the E.U. is in an existential crisis. He delivered his annual state of the union address to the European Parliament.
JEAN-CLAUDE JUNCKER, PRESIDENT, EUROPEAN COMMISSION (through translator): There are splits out there.
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JUNCKER (through translator): And often fragmentation exists where we need (INAUDIBLE) from the union. And that is leaving scope for galloping
populism. And we cannot accept that because populism does not solve problems. On the contrary, it creates problems.
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JONES: Well, Mr. Juncker made a few key points. The first one is a plan to boost security by creating central military headquarters of the E.U. He
also wants to double investment funds available for businesses to $700 billion by 2022.
And the commission president has also stressed the U.K. cannot have unrestricted access to the single market unless it agrees to maintain the
freedom of movement.
We're joined now by Marnad McGuinness (ph), an Irish member of the European Parliament and, according to some reports, soon potentially a new president
of the European Parliament. She joins us now live from Strasbourg in France.
Marnad McGuinness (ph), thank you very much for joining us on the program. I assume you were watching as Jean-Claude Juncker, as he gave his state of
the union address today.
When you look at the E.U. in two, five, 10 years' time, what does it look like to you?
MARNAD MCGUINNESS (PH), EUROPEAN MP: Well, I was not only watching, I was listening very carefully to what the president of the commission had to
say. And it was a very frank, lengthy, if you like, run-through of the key issues facing the European Union. He was not flinching from the challenges
we face.
A year ago, we were 28 member states. We've since had the Brexit vote, so we expect to be down to 27. So against that background, he was trying to,
I suppose, present the realities for Europe today, which is a union that is less united than it needs to be to make progress.
He also challenged a member states about their commitments to the European Union because many member states would criticize Europe at home and yet
agree to certain things at council level.
So I think he presented the mosaic that is the European Union, warts and all and he was very frank in that. And I thought he made a quite profound
statement around his own historical background, his father being involved in the war and the importance of Europe as a peace project.
But he acknowledged also that, for many European Union citizens, Europe is failing them. They are not convinced at all by the narrative that we have
set and they want, if you like, a new beginning.
And I believe there is a sense in that across all our member states that the idea of the European Union, young people are very, you know, passionate
about that to some extent. And yet we have high youth unemployment.
So how do we reinvigorate this project at a time when many citizens are looking more inwardly, looking to the member state to give them that
comfort and that solace at a time when there are terrorist threats, there is unemployment, all of the challenges that he outlined in his speech?
JONES: Given the fact that yours is probably the only constituency that I can think of that has a land border with the rest of the U.K., how
significant then is maintaining good relations between Ireland and the U.K. in a post-Brexit world?
MCGUINNESS (PH): Well, look, I was born in County Lough (ph), which is a border county in Ireland with Northern Ireland. I now represent the
constituency of Midlands Northwest.
The amount of concern and cause I have had since the Brexit vote, north and south of our border, if you like, displays how deeply concerned our
citizens are. Many of my voters live in the constituency but work in Northern Ireland.
So good relationships are absolutely vital. But I think President Juncker was also very clear about the fundamental principles that the European
Union stands by and he was not minded to say that anyone can have a different arrangement, that if you're a member of the European Union, you
have rights and responsibilities.
If you're not a member of the European Union, then you have a different relationship from a purely Irish perspective. I want to make sure that
that relationship with the United Kingdom is strong, respectful and that we can keep both the freedom that we currently have in terms of good services
and people.
But I'm also mindful of how difficult it will be to negotiate that. And that's why, to some extent, we are all waiting to see what the United
Kingdom does because there is no triggering of Article 50. So we still are 28 member states; the United Kingdom is a full member of the European Union
until, at the very least, they begin to trigger Article 50 and we begin that process where there is a renegotiation of the arrangements which have
been in existence for over 40 years and which would be very, very difficult to disentangle.
JONES: Some saying that the E.U. needs a breath of fresh air. Your name has been touted as a possible European Parliament presence in the future.
Do you want the job?
MCGUINNESS (PH): Well, look, you should have introduced me as the vice president of parliament and I've served in this role for 2.5 years. That
discussion here in the parliament is only beginning now. There is very little charity about what will happen --
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MCGUINNESS (PH): -- but you probably know that the European People's Party that I belong to has an agreement with our socialist colleagues that the
current president, who was from the socialists' party, would finish his five-year term and that the EPP would take that position.
But as you know in politics and, indeed, in this chamber here there are different views. Whatever about what happens and whether I'm involved or
not, the European Union needs clear direction and people need a sense of hope.
And they also need us to recognize where we have failed so that they don't have a sense in which nobody is in control, because it was very clear to me
during the Brexit debate that the key issue for a lot of U.K. citizens was that they felt that they had lost control of their own destiny and that
Europe was not delivering for them.
We cannot allow that, if you like, mindset to prevail in the remaining member states. And I thought one thing that Mr. Juncker said and I fully
applaud it is that we will be strong, the 27. But Brexit will not mark, if you like, the rest of progress that will have to be made within the
European Union. But there are very challenging days ahead for whoever is in the leadership role, council, commission or parliament.
JONES: We are going to have to leave it there. Marnad McGuinness (ph), we very much appreciate your time there. Thank you.
MCGUINNESS (PH): Thank you.
JONES: We've got some breaking news to bring you now. Brazil former's president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva has been charged with corruption.
That's according to a state news agency. The charges stem from an investigation into money laundering. His wife, Marissa (ph), has also been
charged. Lula became president of Brazil back in 2002.
This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Thank you so much for watching, I'm Hannah Vaughan Jones here in London. Stay tuned though because "QUEST
MEANS BUSINESS" is up next.
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