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[15:00:10] HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN INTERNATIONAL GUEST ANCHOR: Hello there. Good evening to you. I'm Hannah Vaughan Jones sitting in for Hala
Gorani. We are live from CNN London and this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
So it looks like it will be a tight race all the way to the finish. Just six days until the U.S. presidential election. A new CNN/ORC polls are
giving us a clearer picture of where things in stand four key battleground states.
Up first, Florida, a must-win state for Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton has the edge but only by two percentage points. That's well within the margin
of error. Clinton also is up in Pennsylvania, a state that historically does lean Democratic. She's leading Trump by four points there.
However, things shift once you head out west. Trump is now ahead in Nevada with a six-point lead. Clinton had the edge there just last month. And
Trump also out in front in the traditionally red state of Arizona. The poll indicates he's leading Clinton there by five points.
So Clinton is trying to make end roads, campaigning hard in Arizona and Nevada while President Barack Obama is working on getting out the vote for
her on the east coast. He's speaking now live in Chapel Hill. That's in the battleground state of North Carolina.
Donald Trump meantime has a laser focus on Florida. He's due at a rally in Orlando any time now. That's his second stop of the day in Florida, both
candidates are well aware that the polls don't mean anything if their supporters don't get out and vote. Here's what Trump said earlier on in
Miami.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: But with your vote, you can beat the system, the rigged system, and deliver justice so show up early and
vote. Show up early. You know the lines are incredible, the polls are all saying we're going to win Florida, don't believe it. Don't believe it.
Get out there and vote. Pretend we're slightly behind. You've got to get out -- we don't want to blow this, this is a one chance we have, it'll
never happen again. It's not going to happen in four years, it's not going to happen. It can't happen again.
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JONES: Almost 25 million people have already cast a ballot in states that allow early voting and we're learning some key facts, including which party
is turning out more voters in critical battleground states.
CNN's executive editor for politics, Mark Preston, has been crunching all the numbers for us and joins us now from Washington. Mark, just talk us
through these early voting stats and what each campaign can then learn and how they can direct the last few days of their efforts.
MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: No question, Hannah, as you said, almost 25 million people in 38 states have actually cast ballots.
Election Day is six days away, but yet here in the United States, you can cast your ballot early in certain states.
Now, what the campaigns tried to do is they try reach out to low propensity voters. These are folks that they don't think will necessarily show up on
Election Day. And they want to get them out to vote now. Bank the vote and then try to focus on their die hard supporters on Election Day.
But as you said, two key states as we speak right now, let's first look at North Carolina. North Carolina and Florida which we'll talk about in a
second are two states Donald Trump needs to win as you just noted as we speak.
We have President Barack Obama in North Carolina right now campaigning for Hillary Clinton. But let's take a look at right now where the early vote
is there. But 1.6 million people have already voted in North Carolina, and Democrats have an edge right now by about 219,000 votes.
However, if you compare this to 2012, they are off their mark at this point. Back then four years ago, they had a 290,000 vote advantage. Why
is that? Well, one of the reason why is Barack Obama is in Chapel Hill today, let's look at the African-American vote.
In 2016, so far 23 percent of African-Americans are part of the vote (inaudible) that have returned their ballots, but if we look at 2012, this
number right here, it was 28 percent.
[16:05:07]So right now the African-American vote is underperforming for Hillary Clinton. And of course, the Hispanic vote right down here is about
0.7 percent higher. So it's edged up a little bit in favor of Hillary Clinton.
Let's go down south to the state of Florida. We talk often about that, 3.5 million, 3.6 million people right now have already voted in that state, but
the party breakdown shows that Republicans have a little bit of a lead right now over Democrats.
You would think that's OK, Democrats could make that up, but let's compare it back to 2008, we had comparable data. Right then look that the,
Democrats had a lead eight years.
So it's indicating to us right now that they are having trouble turning out their votes at the same rate, but why is that? Again, let's go to the
issue of race, part of the Obama coalition that helped him win two terms.
The African-American vote about 12 percent right now of absentee ballots that have been returned in 2016. If you look at that back in 2008, look at
that differential right there, that is a steep drop off.
Sign of good news, the Hispanic vote has climbed considerably in Florida in the early vote for Democrats. So that's a pretty good jump for them.
Now I have to point out, this is not predictive and just because your African-American, Hispanic doesn't necessarily mean you're going to vote
for the Democratic Party, but the bottom line is, Hannah, these are reliable, reliably constituents that will back a Democratic ticket, and
that's why we're looking at these numbers.
JONES: Fascinating stuff, Mark, we appreciate it. Mark Preston crunching all the numbers for us on some of these battleground states. Mark, thank
you.
Now the website "FiveThirtyEight" is well known for its analysis of polls and statistics as well as political predictions. It's lead story right now
is titled, yes, Donald Trump has a path to victory.
Farai Chideya is a senior writer for "FiveThirtyEight" and she's joining us live now from New York. Great to have you on the program. Farai, thank
you very much for your company.
So Trump as a path to victory. This is something that we've been saying all along, it just didn't look like the stats added up for him. Does it
all hang though on Florida?
FARAI CHIDEYA, SENIOR WRITER, FIVETHIRTYEIGHT: It actually doesn't. There are many different paths to victory, and for -- well for Trump, Florida is
key, but you know, there are so many other weird factors. So for Donald Trump, if he doesn't win Florida in that sense, yes, it all does hinge on
Florida for him, not for Clinton.
Which is an unusual configuration because often both candidates have to win over the same state, but Clinton can cobble together an electoral vote
majority through many different mechanisms.
And one of the things is that recently I was in Arizona which used to be a very strongly Republican state. It has been going back and forth between
slightly Republican and slightly Democratic in this election.
Which is something we couldn't have imagined four years ago and that's due to the rise in the Latino vote and the anger of Latino voters who feel
they've been maligned by the Trump campaign.
JONES: It's interesting talking about Florida in particular, Donald Trump is making his second stop in the next hour on the campaign trail there.
But, could he actually do better out of a lower turnout, in Florida? For example if there's a lower turnout amongst the Hispanics with that could do
him favors in terms of gaining that state.
CHIDEYA: Absolutely. Both candidates have turnout weaknesses. So for example, today there has resurfaced an allegation, and it's just an
allegation, that Donald Trump assaulted a minor. And there's a press conference at 6:00 p.m. Eastern Time about this, which is about three hours
from now.
I don't know whether that will impact voters, but we just haven't seen a let-up in the relentless, you know, negativity of this campaign. It has
been really decimating to voters to think that our political system is this broken that many people feel that they don't like either candidate.
So for example, Evangelical Christians, if they feel that this is a credible allegation may actually turn away from Donald Trump and we've seen
as you mentioned in your earlier statement, weaknesses with black voters who are of the Democratic Party and if they don't turn up, that could
really hurt Hillary Clinton.
JONES: Yes, interesting you mentioned that last point then because Barack Obama is out on the campaign trail, he's in North Carolina at the moment.
He's been pushing hard hasn't he in the last couple of days in particular to really get the African-American vote out. Could this sort of last
minute push and it is last minute, about six days left. Could this swing the whole thing?
CHIDEYA: Well, I think that there's so many surrogates on the campaign trail leading powerful people who can speak for the candidate. And
President Obama is just one of the Democratic surrogates, his wife is another.
North Carolina is interesting because in 2008, it went for Obama, but in 2012 it went for Romney. So it had been Republican, went Democratic in
2008, went Republican again.
[16:10:11]And I think that it is one of those states that really is an indicator of how the Middle America swings. You know, white suburban women
for example are one of those demographics that is really key to winning a state like North Carolina.
JONES: We're all kind of like focusing now on the polls, how the polls look, who's up in which state, who's down? As a pollster or working far
pollster, are you nervous at all?
I mean, in the U.K. for example, there's been some damage reputationally to pollsters because they called it wrong on the last general election, they
called it wrong on the Brexit referendum as well. Are you nervous about calling this election just in case you do get it wrong?
CHIDEYA: Well, I mean, I certainly think that people will be looking at us for guidance, but, Nate Silver who is the head of FiveThirtyEight has made
it very clear that he created a statistic call model, we put the numbers in, the model should succeed, but it's not 100 percent certain.
And FiveThirtyEight has never promised certainty. However, I think what Nate does particularly well is, you know, for example, I'm looking at a
list of the polls right now, and some of them have Trump up by six and some have Clinton up by three.
So what we do is we help people make sense of probability and I do think there's significant differences between the Brexit vote which I covered
myself from the U.S. as well as our election because America's a much more multi-racial country.
And even though there is a question about, you know, for example there are polls that show that Trump voters want America to be like the 1950s, there
were a lot of Americans, who weren't even here in the 1950s, and who also if they were here during the 1950s may not have had equal rights with
whites and that's influencing the vote as well.
JONES: We appreciate all of your analysis and we hope you do call it right on the 9th itself. Farai Chideya, thanks very much.
Now Iraqi forces are within sight of the eastern suburbs of Mosul, but the road to the city is of course, perilous and the last couple hundred meters
have been a real struggle because of ISIS snipers, ISIS gunfire, and shelling.
And the worst fighting to liberate Mosul still of course lies ahead. ISIS is believed to have gathered thousands of people to use as human shields,
which will make targeted strikes incredibly complicated. More than one million civilians are believed to still be trapped within the city.
CNN's Arwa Damon traveled to the front lines with U.S.-trained Iraqi counterterrorism forces as they continued their push forward on the main
road to Mosul. We got an update from Arwa a short time ago.
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ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Just take a look around us. The tower up there, that is actually considered to be the
demarcation of Mosul's eastern most perimeter. And we're going to be moving kind of carefully through here because there have been incoming
grenades and there's a sniper that's firing in this direction as well.
But, over here, that is the main road that leads to Mosul. And you can see that it has been bermed up, and I don't know if we can get a shot of this
been, but that town you see on the other side of the berm, that is the Mosul neighborhood of Karama, and that is inside the city itself.
It's only about 200 meters from where we currently are right now and you have troops with the counterterrorism unit, the elite U.S. trained unit
that have moved up all along this various different front lines.
They've cleared through the town of (inaudible). They've been going through it throughout the entire day. Clearing it of any remnants of ISIS.
They've come in across quite a few fire fights, and now they are trying to secure this area in particular so that then they can actually begin the
push into Mosul.
The city itself and they're fully anticipating that once they actually cross this road and get into the city, the fight is going to be
significantly more intense. We've been speaking to some of the civilians who lived here.
They say that the ISIS fighters who used to be here, they, a lot of them, moved away with their families, taking them with them into the city of
Mosul itself. Again, just on the other side of that berm some 200 meters away.
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JONES: Arwa Damon there on the front lines in the battle for Mosul. Michael Holmes is also in Iraq covering this offensive and he's been
spending time with the highest U.S. commander there.
He joins us now live from the city of Irbil, north of the country to tell us what the Lieutenant General Steven Townsend had to say. Michael, the
U.S. leading the coalition in support of the Iraqi forces, what does that exactly mean in terms of what they're doing in practical terms?
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, practical terms well officially they call it advice and assist they are helping the Iraqis and the Kurdish
commanders with strategy and giving them advice on how to proceed.
[16:15:11]In another practical way, and we've seen this with our own eyes out in the field. They're providing artillery support also mortar fire as
well as the air power that we know so well.
We were out with the general today and what they call a battlefield circulation where he travels out to see his own troops and to meet with
Iraqi and Kurdish counterparts.
We went to what they call a staging area, which is where Iraqi troops were advised by the Americans before they headed for the front line. We went to
Mosul dam where the general met with Kurdish leaders and American engineers as well.
Basically, he was telling us along the way that it's all going pretty much the way Iraqi and Kurdish forces predicted it would at Mosul now. We
talked about criticism out of the Trump campaign although not asking them about Donald Trump directly, but Donald Trump saying that the campaign is
bogged down.
He rejected that. He said he doesn't see that at all. And also, criticism again we asked him about indirectly, not about Donald Trump specifically,
about claims that the campaign plans had been telegraphed in advance giving ISIS a heads up if you like. Have a listen.
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HOLMES: ISIS has been in Mosul for two years, and again, there's been from some quarters criticism that the plans were too announced. That we
announced we were coming and here we are. Is that fair criticism?
LIEUTENANT GENERAL STEPHEN TOWNSEND, SENIOR U.S. COMMANDER IN IRAQ: So any commander would prefer to keep plans completely in secret, always. To have
the maximum opportunity to surprise the enemy. It's just really hard to move 40,000 troops into position from, you know, Middle Iraq to northern
Iraq and -- and maintain complete secrecy. It's almost next to impossible.
So the Iraqis have unveiled the operation on their timeline. I would tell you that I know this, the enemy were surprised on the day they started. So
I think the Iraqis achieved what they wanted to achieve. It's hard to move with 30,000-man army into position and not be noticed.
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HOLMES: The general also saying what everyone really knows and that is the battle for Mosul, with perhaps, more than a million civilians inside is
going to be very, very tough indeed.
I also asked him about ISIS leaders. A lot of speculation that some of the leadership has fled to Syria. He said we don't know where they are, but
his quote was every time we find one of them, we kill them.
So he said, if I knew where the leaders were, they would be dead. And he said he wouldn't be surprised if many of them are indeed in Mosul --
Hannah.
JONES: Yes, and the fiercest battle still to come no doubt as soon as the forces do get into Mosul itself. Michael, we appreciate it. Michael
Holmes there live in Irbil, North Iraq.
Now still to come on the program tonight, anger on the streets of South Africa after the release of a corruption report with accusations reaching
all the way to the president.
And as France buffers out the last of the unaccompanied children from the so-called "Jungle," a new group has set up camp outside the Paris Metro
Station. Stay with us for more on that.
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JONES: Welcome back to the program. South Africa's president has hit out against a blistering report outlining corruption allegation against his
administration.
Jacob Zuma says he wasn't given a fair chance to provide meaningful input into the investigation. But South Africans reacted by giving their inputs
on the streets of the capital.
Police had to use stun grenades to try to break up the protesters. The report accuses the president, his top aides, and others of letting a
wealthy family wield (inaudible) influence.
It calls on President Zuma to appoint a special commission to investigate thoroughly. Mr. Zuma says he's studying the report right now before
deciding whether to launch a legal challenge against it.
CNN's David McKenzie joins us now live from Johannesburg in South Africa. David, just why is this report potentially so damaging?
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's very damaging because it really points the finger from an official body here in South
Africa to the president to top ministers and other members of the high and mighty here in South Africa.
And it gives evidence and allegations of high levels of corruption and cronyism including the appointment of ministers for alleged kickbacks,
dodgy state-owned enterprise dealings that the president is allegedly turned a blind eye to.
Really in 355 pages describing in detail the levels of corruption that has been going on for some time here in South Africa all the way up to the
presidency -- Hannah.
JONES: Calling for him to resign, but it's not the first time he's been embroiled in scandal and controversy throughout his presidency. If Jacob
Zuma refuses to budge, what happens next?
MCKENZIE: Well, one can assume that at least in the short term, he will refuse to budge. Despite what we saw on the streets there, which were
opposition parties, many of thousands of them protesting as well as business and even members of the ruling ANC out on the streets today
calling for the resignation of Jacob Zuma.
That really on some level just moves this forward and the timeline is a little bit unclear. He has to, according to this report, make that
judicial inquiry happen.
That's got several months of timeline and it's unlikely given the history we know of Jacob Zuma the fact that he's withstood these scandals before
that he's going to willingly go even if there is a great deal pressure put on him.
As the time slips by and maybe the initial euphoria of this report for those that support the president leaving fades. It'll become more
difficult to unseat him.
He, next year, towards the end of the year, faces a challenge potentially within his own party as his second term winds down. But, it's still a very
serious allegations against the president and it could mean he's pressured out by his own party.
It certainly is the most difficult period he's faced and the biggest victory for those who want to push the rule of law here in South Africa.
JONES: David McKenzie, we appreciate it live there from Johannesburg on Jacob Zuma's latest scandal. Thank you.
Now we are getting the clearest picture yet of the final moments of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH 370 two and a half years after it vanished off
course in the Indian Ocean.
It comes from analysis of the few piece of debris like this one that have washed ashore mostly along Africa's east coast. According to a new report,
no one was in control when the plane made its last satellite communication, and the jet liner was spiraling fast before the crash. The finding
themselves debunk a previous theory that was plane was deliberately crashed into the ocean.
France is moving the last 1,500 children and teenagers from what's left of the sprawling jungle migrant camp that's been knocked down. They're being
fanned out among dozens of temporary shelters across the country. It is unclear where they'll all be sent. Migrants are now congregating in other
parts of the country.
[16:25:12]Melissa Bell reports from the Metro Station in Paris where thousands have now set up camp.
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MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Calais jungle is now a thing of the past. Its tents torn down and its inhabitants relocated to
emergency shelters in France's regions, but as the camp in Calais has closed, others have grown. Like this one near a Paris Metro station.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As we know that France are opening the door, there are rumors in the whole Europe that the France is getting the papers and all of
them are coming towards France right now.
BELL (on camera): The numbers of migrants living (inaudible) around (inaudible) station have swelled over the course of the last couple of
weeks from several hundred to two and a half thousand according to the aid associations who helped them.
We're talking about Eritrean, Somalis, Sudanese, and Afghan nationals most of whom have applied for asylum here in France. They're simply waiting now
for their applications to be processed and living in the meantime in the most appalling conditions.
(voice-over): Sarah is just 17 years old. She arrived at the camp a week ago and she says, she's had no help in claiming asylum.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's very cold. Someone is drinking. They're talking together. How can we sleep? When I sleep in the night, I cry.
Always, I cry. How I can sleep?
BELL (on camera): Are you scared?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I worry myself. I don't have anybody there.
BELL (voice-over): Soon migrants arriving in Paris will be taken to this camp in the north of the city. It was due to open in October, and it
shouldn't be long say authorities. After Calais, they want migrants off all France's streets.
(Inaudible) is to be cleared by the end of the week. It's tents torn down and its inhabitants relocated to emergency shelters in the greater Paris
region.
The question is, how many more will be drawn to the streets of a country that now appears to be offering more than just its streets. Melissa Bell,
CNN, Paris.
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JONES: Well, in the middle of a frantic week in U.S. politics, there is another important story in America's heartland. A manhunt is now over
after two police officers were killed in ambush-style shootings in Iowa. Police now have a suspect, Scott Michael Greene in custody.
Greene was known to the authorities because of recent run-in with police and also a dispute with his mother. Police say both officers were gunned
down while sitting in their patrol cars. They were found just short distance from one another.
Coming up on The World Right Now, we're going to be returning to U.S. politics in just a few moments. A Trump supporter and a Clinton supporter
will have their say as go into the final days of the campaign.
And beef, chicken, anchovies, and lots of mustard, all mashed together in one Trump-themed sandwich. Yep, that's on the menu at one Russian fast
food restaurant. We'll tell you how Russia is making its flavor preferences clear.
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[15:31:33] JONES: Hello. Welcome back. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Here are the top stories for you. The U.S. presidential candidates are
making their closing arguments in some critical battleground states.
And new CNN/ORC poll shows just how tight that race has become. They showed Donald Trump leading Hillary Clinton by five points in Arizona, and
Clinton leads Trump by two points in Florida. In Nevada, Clinton six points behind, but in Pennsylvania, she's up four points. Still a lot to
play for.
Iraqi forces are within sight of the eastern suburbs of Mosul, but getting to the city has been a struggle because of is snipers, gunfire, and
shelling, and the worst fighting likely still lies ahead.
South Africa's president is under mounting pressure to resign in the wake of a blistering corruption report. It sparked a wild protest in Pretoria
with demonstrators calling for Jacob Zuma to step down as the report accuses Mr. Zuma and also top aides and others of letting a wealthy family
wield undue influence.
There are just six days to go until the U.S. presidential election and the candidates and their top surrogates are crisscrossing the nation at
breakneck pace.
Hillary Clinton is trying to turn the red state of Arizona blue, and President Barack Obama is stumping for her in North Carolina this hour.
And his vice president is getting out the vote in the critical battleground state of Florida.
Republican Donald Trump has a busy day in Florida too. Two of his children are cheerleading for their dad. They're in Michigan and Tiffany Trump is
in the must-win state of Pennsylvania.
Meanwhile, CNN's poll of polls shows Hillary Clinton with 47 percent nationwide. Donald Trump holding at 42 percent. The new ABC
News/"Washington Post" tracking poll shows the two major candidates in a dead heat.
President Barack Obama spoke a short time ago. He was in North Carolina saying that Clinton was the only viable choice on the ballot.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Even those of us in politics sometimes feel like, I've had enough politics. I understand
the feeling, I promise you. But I want you to push away the noise for a second and just focus on the choice you face in this election.
Because the truth is the choice, if we put aside all the noise, all the distractions, all the hype, all the nonsense, if you push all that away,
this choice actually could not be simpler, it could not be clearer. It really couldn't.
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JONES: Well, the president stumping there for Hillary Clinton. Let's get reaction from my guests, Donald Trump supporter, Carl Higbie, joins me from
New York and CNN political commentator, Maria Cardona, a Hillary Clinton supporter is with us from Washington. Welcome to you both.
So final pictures now to all the voters. We just saw President Obama there making his pitch to the voters for Hillary Clinton. Carl, if I can come to
you first, our Republicans or Donald Trump supporters quaking in their boots at the thought of all these surrogates crisscrossing in support of
Clinton?
CARL HIGBIE, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: No, absolutely not. We have as many people going nationwide right now. You forgot to site one poll, the "L.A.
Times" poll that puts Trump up six points recently. So I think our trend swinging in our favor.
JONES: OK, well, coming to you there, Maria, same question really, but the fact that Hillary Clinton has so many people out for her, does that make
you and other Democrats nervous the fact that she is having to pull out all the stops at the 11th hour to try and wrap this thing up?
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Sure. I think every Democrat, Democratic supporter and everybody in the Hillary Clinton campaign should
be nervous. That's how you win because complacency is how Donald Trump wins. These polls actually if you look at them, look very good for Hillary
Clinton.
She has a five-point lead in a poll of polls nationwide, and she is in very good shape in a lot of the battleground states. The poll that you saw in
Nevada, I actually believe is skewed, and one of the reasons that it is skewed, Hannah, is because as you know, Nevada has a very robust population
of Hispanic voters.
The poll that you're seeing in Nevada here, the CNN poll did not pull Hispanic voters and Hispanic voters are turning out in massive historic
numbers for Hillary Clinton.
[16:35:08]And the reason for that is as you have known for a year and a half, is that Donald Trump has insulted Latino voters and Hispanic
immigrants from the moment that he announced his candidacy back a year and a half ago. And so this --
JONES: OK.
CARDONA: And so this choice is very clear. The president was right. You have a choice between somebody who has spent 30 years of her life working
on behalf of children and families and somebody who has worked 30 years of his life enriching himself, demeaning and degrading women, and defrauding
American voters.
HIGBIE: But what is the signal accomplishment that Hillary Clinton can point to in 30 years?
CARDONA: She -- from the moment that she stepped on to the scene, Carl, she was working to try to dissuade public schools down in the south from
discriminating African-American children. What has your candidate done for the public? What has your candidate done for the public --
HIGBIE: I'll tell you --
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JONES: I want to just bring in the question of early voting. I'm going to play mediator in this debate. Let's talk about early voting because we
already know that some 25 million people have already cast their votes.
You mentioned them, Maria, about Hispanic voting in the droves for Hillary Clinton, but that's not always what some of our stats show from those early
voters. It shows that she really needs to pull in the vote, particularly in Florida, and she's not in Florida, Donald Trump's there at the moment.
CARDONA: But she was in Florida yesterday. And if you look at the numbers, actually the Florida numbers are the ones that show that Hispanics
are voting at a clip that is 3-1 above what they voted in 2012.
So Florida is actually one of the places where we will see a historic number of Hispanics coming tout vote. If you look at the Hispanic vote in
Florida, the main population of Hispanics in Florida are South Americans.
South Americans listen to the way that Donald Trump speaks and it reminds them of the strong men dictators and dictatorships that many of them fled
from their home countries in South America --
HIGBIE: That is not true.
CARDONA: And that scares them. So all of them, the majority of Hispanics in Florida will be voting for Hillary Clinton and we're going to be seeing
that across the board.
JONES: Carl, I want to ask you about Donald Trump and his momentum at the moment because lots of people saying the momentum is within given the fact
of the FBI revelations over the course of the last week. He's really honing in on Florida on the east coast states at the moment. Is this a
change in tactics since we've seen the polls tightening in his favor?
HIGBIE: Look, Donald Trump's been on the campaign trail very aggressively two, three, four, five times a day holding these rallies. So, yes, he's
focusing on the battleground states as any presidential candidate would.
In Florida, specifically is Donald Trump won 66 out of 67 counties there in the primary and this was Marco Rubio's hometown. So, to think that a lot
of the voters of Florida will reject him is fundamentally false.
JONES: But would he be do better if there's a low turnout particularly amongst Hispanics in Florida? Would that work in Donald Trump's favor?
Maybe campaigning there isn't in his best interest?
HIGBIE: No, I don't think so. I think Donald Trump's got a lot of support from the Hispanic community. The other thing to look at too in these
battleground states --
CARDONA: He's at 13 percent with Hispanic voters nationwide.
HIGBIE: Said the poll that was wrong the whole time -- and his supporters and the polls, these polls, poll people who have consistently voted. They
are likely voters. The issue is, a lot of people that are voting for Donald Trump have been hit really deep in the pocket, and they've never
voted before. So now they're coming out in droves in favor of Donald Trump and you can't poll that.
CARDONA: Well, I actually agree that a lot of the polls are not focusing on first time voters, and guess what, a lot of those first time voters are
Hispanics, who have registered to vote or even become citizens to register to vote in order to vote against Donald Trump. That's how toxic he is in
the Hispanic community.
HIGBIE: I'd like to see that statistic.
JONES: He has to take Florida in order to stand of chance of making it to the oval office. He still needs to flip another state, another blue state
as well. And it doesn't look like at the moment, if the polls are to be trusted that that's likely right now.
HIGBIE: Well, I think you've seen them rise in Wisconsin. You've seen them rise in Michigan. Hillary's now dumping a bunch of resource in this.
The important thing for the viewers to know is know is that Hillary spent $20 million on polls recently, internal polls. And that shows that
someone's scared about the potential results.
CARDONA: Actually, it just shows very smart election strategy, frankly, campaign strategy, and Hannah as you know --
HIGBIE: Donors, that's what your money is going to.
CARDONA: The infrastructure for Hillary Clinton is second to none. You compare that to the infrastructure, the ground game get out to vote game
for Donald Trump and you're going to see in this tightening election that Hillary Clinton will come out two to three points ahead of Donald Trump at
the end of the day.
JONES: Well, both candidates are certainly spending their money on the ads as well in these last -- these crucial last few days. Don't think there'll
be much in it in terms of the money spent by the end of it.
[16:40:06]We appreciate it. We have to leave it there. That's all we got time for --
HIGBIE: Thank you.
JONES: -- big thanks to both you. Carl Higbie and also to Maria Cardona, thank you very much indeed.
CARDONA: Thank you.
JONES: Now we've seen incredible interest in this election from around the world. Of course in Russia, a fast food restaurant is capitalizing
somewhat on the race with some new additions to the menu. Claire Sebastian has more now from Moscow.
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CLAIRE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In a shopping mall not far from the center of Moscow, a rather bizarre tribute to Donald Trump.
First, a man dressed to look like Trump sings what they say is the candidate's favorite song.
Then a promotional master class making the limited addition Trump wrap. It's all organized by this fast food restaurant. The question, of course,
is why?
OLEG NAZAROV, ROLLS AND RACE: I decided that it will be indeed very actual, very up to date jest or event such dish, and dedicate it to Donald
Trump who is very popular in Russia.
SEBASTIAN: The Trump-themed sandwich is made of beef, chicken, anchovies, and a whole head of mustard. Extra turmeric added to get just the right
color.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His hair.
SEBASTIAN: The chef apparently studied Trump's interviews and tried to match his favorite foods. There is a Hillary wrap too, though clearly an
afterthought.
(on camera): Now publicly the Russian president said he will work with whichever candidate is elected be it Trump or Hillary Clinton.
(voice-over): But over the past few months, Russian state media has often fed a sentiment favorable to Trump, not openly supporting the Republican
nominee, but focusing heavily on scandals around Clinton's campaign and Trump's much friendly attitude toward Russia.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And by the way, wouldn't it be nice if we actually got along with Russia? Wouldn't that be nice?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: May be together with Putin, the situation between Russia country and American, normal.
SEBASTIAN: The Trump and Clinton theme snacks are only on sale until November 8th, Election Day. If this group is anything to go by though,
perhaps Russia has already made its flavor preference very clear. Claire Sebastian, CNN, Moscow.
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JONES: This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. It's been all over the news in 2016, hacking. How can it be stopped? I'll speak to a cyber-psychologist who
wants to steer hackers towards something more positive. Stay with us.
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JONES: Hacking is a word that has rarely been out of the news in 2016, it's playing a big part in the U.S. election, of course, from the hacking
of the Democratic National Committee to the hacking of John Podesta's e- mail which Wikileaks has been releasing.
[16:45:10]But that's not all, just two weeks ago, a cyber-attack targeted every day devices bringing down large swaths of the internet. Just a few
days ago, the head of Britain's counterintelligence agency, the MI-5, warned of covert threats from Russia including among other things, cyber-
attacks.
So, what can be done to stop all of this hacking? Well, a newly released report takes a look at how young people get into cyber-crime and ways of
nurturing their computer skills for constructive and more positive outcomes.
Mary Aiken, one of the authors of that report joins me now via Skype from Dublin in Ireland. Thanks very much for joining us, Mary. We appreciate
having you on the program.
Tell us a bit more about this report. As I understand it, you're trying to help youngsters, who are sort of technologically gifted find their moral
compass and join the good guys.
DR. MARY AIKEN, FORENSIC CYBER PSYCHOLOGIST: The report was actually an initiative of the European Cyber Crimes Center and Academic Advisory Match
Work. And what we've become aware of is that young people are increasingly getting involved in hacking and particularly in hacking behavior associated
with cybercrime.
So we wanted to actually look at the beginning of the behavior and see could we find the developmental pathway into cyber-crime. We know a lot
about real world criminality, particular kids with a particular group of friends, we know very little about the pathway into cyber-crime.
JONES: Is the idea then that you find out these youngsters who are particularly gifted, with technology, and then you lure them on to your
side. Before they sort of get trapped into raging against the machine?
AIKEN: I'm not sure about luring them. Well, we would try to do actually is -- I mean, if we look at the moment, we're seeing that youth are
engaging in hacking behavior are getting increasingly younger. So we're seeing now episodes of 15-year-olds and 13-year-olds.
And that's very, very young to engage in criminal activity. So, the point is that instead of trying to deal with the hacking behavior when the youth
is in their teens, we really want to actually investigate at school entry which young people may have the potential to have these incredible type
skills.
How do we engage with them? How do we test them, and how do we reward them within the school and the education system so that they don't seek
affirmation outside the system and outside the law.
JONES: But isn't one of the points of being a teenager that you do break the rules at times, and that you do get a huge sense of feeling of power if
you do have this ability to somehow hack or crack a system somehow. I mean, that's the whole point of being a teenager.
It seems to me just unlikely on the face of it that you're going to be able to find out who all of these gifted teenagers are and instead of them
hacking Democratic Party e-mails or working for the Russian state or the like that they're going to carry on doing it just because of the thrill of
the game.
AIKEN: I think certainly we've seen addictive type behaviors in our report. Reported by our stake holders and the point is that in a real
world context, if a young person steals a car or breaks a shop window, they're very aware of the consequences of that behavior.
But the power of anonymity online and online dis-inhibition makes cyber space a unique environment and the care actually to intervene and to
educate these young people. This initiative was an excellent example of an industry initiative working with law enforcement.
(Inaudible), a venture capital company worked together with Europol, our stakeholders, with academia to actually look at well how can we identify
these young people and how can we actually stage an early intervention so that they don't get involved in a life of cyber-crime.
And also how do we make parents aware? Very awesome a young person and their parents do not know that they have broken the law until the police
knock at the door.
JONES: The cynics amongst us might claim that this is the adults running scared saying that technology is moving too quickly and that the youth of
the day are about to take over the world. We need to crackdown on them before they take over.
AIKEN: I think that, you know, we always have to be aware of moral panics, and this is certainly not a moral panic. These young people can very
vulnerable and they can be actually exploited by hardened criminals online and be used say for example for money laundering and end up in a lot of
trouble.
We have two U.K. cases at the moment where, well, they're not so young, they're in their 30s, but they were young people who were interested in
hacking who actually are now in a lot of trouble.
[16:50:08]And one is under the process of being extradited to the U.S. and may face a long criminal sentence as a result of his activity online.
JONES: As a result of your report and your findings, how do you actually measure then the level of ability of a young person as far as hacking might
be concerned?
AIKEN: Well, that's a very good question because we have IQ, which is intelligent quotients as a metric. We even have EQ. We have CQ, but we
don't have any TQ, technology quotient. We don't actually have way of measuring and assessing these skills.
So our report just actually calling for the development of a psychological tool that we could assess five and six-year-olds and actually -- with some
level of predictability see if they will go on to develop these skills.
And at that point, we can reward and engage people positively and constructively in school and point them towards a career in cyber security
if that's what they want to do.
JONES: That's fascinating stuff and a fascinating report as well. Great to have you on the program. Mary Aiken, thanks very much for joining us.
AIKEN: Thank you, Hannah.
JONES: Now coming up on The World Right Now, it's again more than a century in the making. Will the Chicago Cubs or the Cleveland Indians win
the World Series? It's an historic game seven showdown. Stay with us for more.
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JONES: Every year quality food worth billions of dollars is tossed in the rubbish all across Europe. Now one restaurant in Paris is serving recycled
food to customers as part of a "Freegan" movement to end food waste. In the latest episode in our "Going Green" series, we make the French chef who
aims to put "freeganism" back on the menu.
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ALADDIN CHARNI, "FREEGAN" (through translator: I'm 32 years old and I collect food that's set to be thrown away and feeding yourself with it,
which allows me to respond to a global problem at a local level.
In the morning, we go to biggest food market in Europe and the wholesalers who support our project give us fruit and vegetables they wish to throw
away.
When we collect them, they're perfectly usable and delicious and we can cook them, but they can't sell them because by the time they make it at the
supermarket shelves, they're no longer sellable.
Sometimes it's very good quality, sometimes it's just a bit damaged. When it's damaged, we don't take it, of course, but maybe just one tomato in the
box that's damaged.
Food waste doesn't come shops, it starts with those producing the food between the time that a fruit or vegetable is produced from the time it
gets on to the shelf of a supermarket, 30 percent of it is already being thrown away.
If we reuse that 30 percent, we would eradicate world hunger simply by being more careful about what we produce.
[16:55:13]Michelle gave us potatoes that are a little bit stained. It comes from water stress which doesn't affect the quality of the potato in
any way. They're a lot of harder for him to sell, so he's going to get rid of them. So we're pleased to take them.
We come back to the Freegan Pony Restaurant. We occupy this space with no rights. The location belongs to Paris city hall. It was empty for 15
years and we thought that we had to make something of it.
Every day we have a different chef and a team of volunteers. For dinner we have around 100 people. We give them a starter, a main, and a dessert.
It's a fixed menu, and it's all vegetarian, prepared from food waste we got that morning.
I'm not asking people to be freegan. I'm asking them to be more careful about what they eat. To think about what we consume, to buy reasonable
quantities so they don't have to throw anything away.
Being freegan won't change the world, it'll open a discussion regarding the issue of a food waste on a scale of a city or neighborhood. I'm not
expecting it to resolve the problem of food waste at the global scale, but if I manage to create awareness among Parisians, then it's already
something.
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JONES: And finally, 108 years, that's how long fans of baseball Chicago Cubs have had to wait for a historic victory, and it could happen tonight.
Their win over the Cleveland Indians on Tuesday night sent their fans into dream land.
And the World Series goes down to a final one off game later on Wednesday. The Cubs haven't won it since 1908, but, Cleveland also knows how it feels
to wait. The last time they were champions was all the way back in 1948.
Whichever city wins will be in for a party to end all parties. And if it's in Chicago, don't worry, the Cubs have you covered. They've already
tweeted out a school and work excuse note explaining the historic nature of the game if you needed a better excuse for a party.
This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Thanks so much for your company. Thank you for watching. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is coming up next.
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