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Pilot Of Crashed Plane: We Are In "Total Failure, Without Fuel"; Trump To Sever Ties With His Business Empire; Carrier Announces Deal To Keep One Thousand Jobs In Indiana; U.S. Troops Run Drills On Norway-Russia Border; OPEC To Cut Oil Production By 1.2 Million Barrels A Day. Aired 3-4p ET
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HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN INTERNATIONAL GUEST ANCHOR: Hello. Welcome. I'm Hannah Vaughan Jones for you here at CNN London. This is THE WORLD
RIGHT NOW.
Breaking news that we can bring you just from the last few minutes. The pilot of the crashed plane in Colombia can be heard saying that the
aircraft was in total electric failure and without fuel. Two sources have confirmed the authenticity of these audio recordings which have been
published in Colombian media.
You'll remember, of course, the plane went down yesterday. It was carrying some 81 people just six people are known to have survived. The area where
the plane itself went down was in a mountainous area, it was coming down in Colombia.
It's also gained a lot of publicity across the world because of this particular aircraft have been carrying the football team, Chapecoense.
This was an up and coming Brazilian team that were traveling on to take part in the South American Cup and this was something of a Cinderella story
for them.
So the latest that we're having is that the black boxes were found yesterday. We knew that. It made us think that we were going to be able
to find out the cause of this crash. There are reports initially of electrical failures as some suggestions as well that perhaps there was a
human error, perhaps from the pilot indeed.
The aircraft itself, the wreckage you can see it there. A lot of it was actually intact suggesting that there possibly wasn't any fire on board or
electrical failure. The latest that we are getting is that from pilot recordings between air traffic control, it does seem like the aircraft ran
out of fuel and that is why it crashed.
We are going to take you live to the scene later on in the program here on THE WORLD RIGHT NOW to bring you the very latest on this plane crash.
We turn to our other main story, though, this evening on the program. And a big announcement from Donald Trump as he tries to ease concerns that his
presidency will be plagued by conflicts of interest.
Trump is promising to leave his business empire to focus exclusively on governing. He tweeted that he'll give details at a news conference on
December 15th with his children by his side.
Another order of business today unveiling his economic team, Trump has tapped billionaire investor, Wilbur Ross as commerce secretary. You can
see him on the left while former Goldman Sachs banker, Steve Mnuchin, was picked head of the Treasury Department.
It seems a bit like deja vu. Trump is returning to the trail tomorrow taking a break from administrative duties to kick off a thank you tour.
He's holding rallies in key states that helped send him to the White House.
Let's talk more now about Trump's pledge to walk away from his business empire. He himself may sever ties, but his children will almost certainly
be at the helm. Will this be enough to ease the conflict of interest concerns?
We're joined now by Ed O'Keefe, a political reporter for "The Washington Post." Ed, great to have you on the program. Is it enough or will it only
be enough once Donald Trump is effectively sold his empire?
ED O'KEEFE, POLITICAL REPORTER, "THE WASHINGTON POST": I think it's somewhere between enough and not enough at this point depending on who you
ask here in Washington and across the country. The idea that he himself says at least at this juncture that he's going to remove himself from the
day-to-day operations and not be involved in the details of what his company is doing, that as a starter is encouraging to those concerned about
this.
But there are going to be broader questions about what exactly his children will know about his presidency as they run his company back in New York.
Remember, that Ivanka Trump among the children, especially has sat in on some of Mr. Trump's early meetings with foreign leaders.
And there was a suggestion there that she may have been getting, you know, a leg up if you will on the competition by being privy to these sensitive
conversations. Will that continue? Will they have a direct line into the White House?
Will they, you know -- will her husband, Jared Kushner, the president- elect's son-in-law have an active role in the administration while she's actively running the family business? The idea that those two won't
intermingle somehow either at the kitchen table or in other conversations is hard to believe.
So a lot of details yet to be sorted out, but it's an encouraging first step to those who have been very concerned about the possibility that he
would somehow be a part-time CEO and a part-time president.
JONES: It's unconventional, of course, given his family and the business empire, he's probably the wealthiest president-elect in American history as
well, but also unconventional in terms of the way he announced his everything at the moment.
[15:05:02]It's all in 140 characters whether that's his cabinet picks or his legislative views to come. How is Washington going to cope with this?
How is the media going to cope with everything on Twitter?
O'KEEFE: You know, Hannah, we say, well, you say and others said it's unconventional. This is the way the world communicates now. If this was
unconventional, than Dwight Eisenhower and John Kennedy back in the `50s and `60s speaking through television instead of radio have been as
unconventional and now it's the norm.
I think what he's done throughout his campaign and what he says he's going to do as president, though, I think some details there again would have to
be sorted out is just to continue communicating through social media to his supporters and to the nation.
And we are just going to have to use that as his preferred mode of deliveries, at least one of the modes of delivery that he uses. Those of
us here in the press corps are very interested to see whether or not he establishes a formal communications department at the White House as has
been the norm.
Will that there be a press secretary who takes questions every day on camera? Will there be a communications director and others that help guide
the messaging and the mode of delivery in which the president delivers at or is he going to be sitting in the oval office tweeting?
If he is, those tweets become subject to the national archives laws of this country and they have to be recorded for government record purposes so that
I suspect we may see a change perhaps in his tweeting if not in the frequency perhaps in the address that he uses.
But the idea that this is unconventional, I work up here on Capitol Hill where Congress is based, and they're all tweeting and Facebooking all the
time. I think we've become more accustomed to it, we've never seen a president, of course, be so prolific with his tweets.
JONES: Yes, absolutely. He's famously always talked about wanting to drain the swamp on Capitol Hill in Washington. Let's talk about some of
the cabinet picks that we know of so far. Still waiting on the secretary of state, of course, but Wilbur Ross to commerce and Steve Mnuchin to the
treasury, is this draining the swamp or flooding it?
O'KEEFE: If he's talking about the idea of bringing in people who have never worked in Washington before, those two names specifically meet the
criteria. But if he's talking more broadly about keeping, you know, fat cat CEOs as he might say or crony capitalists out of the government,
they're merely swamp dwellers along with the rest of them.
If you look at, for example, the woman he tapped yesterday to be transportation secretary, Elaine Chao, who is the wife of Senate Majority
Leader Mitch McConnell, she's someone who is sort of a classic professional Washington type who's gone between government work and private sector work
for about 30 years going back to the Reagan administration. She in no way drains the swamp.
If you look at his picks for CIA director and the health secretary, there are lawmakers who served with good regard among Republicans for several
years, they don't drain the swamp. They occupy it as well.
So we've seen a mix of it so far. I think people are beginning to realize though that he seems to be relying on seasoned hands. People who work at
Goldman Sachs, people with a lot of money who will sort of fit the profile of people who've served in government, Democrat or Republican before.
So I'd be curious to see if he starts to come up with some more unconventional picks for some of these later appointments that he still has
to make.
JONES: Not expecting anymore picks we don't think for the rest of the week. I'm sure more to come in the coming weeks anyway.
O'KEEFE: It's only Wednesday.
JONES: It is only Wednesday. You're absolutely right. Ed O'Keefe, thanks very much for your analysis so far, thank you.
O'KEEFE: Take care.
JONES: Trump supporters say the president-elect is already putting his money where his mouth is. Following through on a promise to save jobs by
striking a deal with an air-conditioning company in Indiana.
Let's get the details now from Suzanne Malveaux live in the state capital of Indianapolis. And Suzanne, a deal has been struck. It's hazy on the
details so far, what do we know?
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, absolutely right. It is hazy on the details because the workers as well as those who are at Carrier are
not actually talking about it. They say they're going to allow Donald Trump and Mike Pence tomorrow when they come to this factory to make the
announcement to talk about some of those details.
They certainly aren't claiming credit for this. That this is one of the campaign promises made to make sure American manufacturing jobs stay in
this country as opposed to go overseas like Mexico where these workers were actually going to see their jobs disappear and be transferred.
It could be another number of things, Hannah. First of all, it could be incentives from the state itself being offered perhaps potential tax
breaks, perhaps the easing of regulations. That might be part of it.
Others are taking a look at Donald Trump's own words during the campaign, the threat he made that there would be tariffs that would be imposed on
imported goods from Mexico that they would be steep tariffs. That would be a financial cost that the company would have to pay.
And it might be just trying to smooth over damaged relations with this manufacturing company that really was made the center piece of Donald
Trump's campaign when it came to illustrating and demonstrating what could happen with American jobs overseas and taking on those trade agreements
that he was vowing to renegotiate and get rid of some of those.
Well, Hannah, I had a chance to talk to a couple of people here about what is the impact? How do they feel about what's happening. Do they believe
that Donald Trump is even responsible for this?
[15:10:12]Chuck Jones, he's with the United Steelworkers says that, you know, he was not a Trump supporter, but he, 100 percent believes that Trump
is behind this and he appreciates it. Here's how he put it.
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MALVEAUX: Chuck, you were no Trump supporter, you were pretty tough on him during the campaign. What do you think of him now? Do you think he's
responsible for this?
CHUCK JONES, UNION REPRESENTATIVE, UNTED STEELWORKERS: Yes. I'm going to give him 100 percent of the credit. I wasn't a Trump supporter. In fact,
I hammered him pretty good. And when I see him tomorrow, I'm going tell him, you know, I hammered you -- I hammered your (inaudible) pretty good,
but I'm going to give you credit because you said you was going to do, you fulfilled that promise. And I appreciate it.
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MALVEAUX: And Hannah, I also had a chance to talk to a guy, John Feltner (ph), he's a mechanic at a Rexnord Manufacturing business. It's right up
the street. Their jobs are not being spared. They are actually going to Mexico and they want to get -- they want to get Donald Trump's ear
themselves and say look, is there anything that you can do for us? They feel like this is a team that is very powerful and perhaps can actually
save American jobs - Hannah.
JONES: Yes, Suzanne, it does seem like potentially 1,000 jobs have been saved. But in all of these deals, someone's got to foot the bill for it.
So what are Trump's critics saying?
MALVEAUX: Well, Trump's critics have been very vocal about this from the very beginning. They've been saying that, look, you know, some of this
could simply just be the state of Indiana offering some incentives here that tax payers are going to end up actually paying for this type of break
that they are getting.
That ultimately when you look at the big picture here, it's not going to do very much in terms of dissuading some of these major companies to do
business in other countries like Mexico because the labor is so incredibly cheap.
This is a band aid to the solution, it certainly does not look at the big picture countrywide that this is something symbolically and certainly very
realistically for the people here makes a difference, for their lives, no doubt about that.
But looking at the big picture, this is certainly not any kind of economic policy that you can point to. That is what they're saying. They said
look, you know, it's great for the folks here on the ground, but give us something real.
Show us something that means something. Whether it's actually going after the tax code, whether it's dealing with regulations, whether it's providing
a minimum wage and decent wage for workers. Those are the kinds of things that they want to see being put on the table -- Hannah.
JONES: Suzanne Malveaux, thanks very much indeed.
We want to bring you back now to our breaking news at this hour. The pilot of the crashed plane in Colombia can be heard in audio recordings saying
the plane was in total electric failure and without fuel.
CNN's Rafael Romo has been covering this story from the very start and joins me now live. Rafael, we thought we were going to get some more
details from the black boxes. You've apparently heard some of this audio recording. What does it tell us?
RAFAEL ROMO, CNN SENIOR LATIN AMERICAN AFFAIRS EDITOR: Yes, I just finished hearing this very chilling recording, Hannah, and let me tell you
it was very difficult to listen to it because you hear the desperation in the pilot's voice telling the air traffic controller two very critical
things.
Number one, as you mentioned, that they had total electrical failure, complete electrical failure, and number two, that they're flying without
any fuel.
There's a conversation in the minutes proceeding to the crash, and one thing that caught my attention is that apparently the pilot has lost his
bearings. He doesn't really know where they are.
All he knows is that they're flying about 9,000 feet, but he's constantly asking the air traffic controller for coordinates, I need to know my
coordinates, how far am I from the airport? The answer is 8.2 miles, and that is believed to be the distance at which the airplane was when it
crashed.
But it's a whole conversation of the air traffic controllers trying to help the pilot find exactly his position and maneuver back to the runway at the
Medellin International Airport.
Something, Hannah, that as we know, the flight was not able to do and it crashed on that mountain with 71 people losing their lives, including the
Brazilian football team among them.
JONES: Rafael, ever since this horrendous crash happened, we've had aviation experts on and everyone's been speculating as to electrical
failure, human failure, perhaps the weather conditions were bad, and that's way the aircraft crashed. No one as far as I can remember has said that
the aircraft simply ran out of fuel. How unlikely is this?
ROMO: Well, part of what our aviation experts have told us, one thing that they've found suspicious when you look at the images from the crash site is
that you don't see any evidence of fire or an explosion.
[15:15:13]You see all of the debris. You see all of the wreckage, but there's nothing, absolutely nothing that would point you in the direction
of any flame being there. And those experts say that that's indicative of an aircraft that crashed when it had absolutely no fuel.
Again, officially, we do not know that that was indeed the case, but I was able to hear clearly the pilot saying, we're flying without fuel. Now, we
don't know yet why that might have happened whether there was a leak or whether there was some sort of problem before the airplane took off.
And believe me, it is highly unlikely, according to our experts that a commercial flight, especially a charter flight would not put enough fuel in
its aircraft before they go on a flight like this, especially an international flight.
But again, it was very clear that the pilot -- obviously very distressed when he says, we have total electrical failure and we're flying with no
fuel -- Hannah.
JONES: Just one brief question for you, Rafael, there were suggestions that the aircraft should never have been in the air at all anyway. Should
never have taken off. Could this come down to a manufacturing problem?
ROMO: I don't know if we can talk about a manufacturing problem. What I can tell you is that Brazilian aviation officials issued a release, a press
release saying that they for whatever reason, they didn't specify, they had not given the airline that was operating this flight permission to fly out
of Brazil because they were not complying with international regulations.
Again, what that means, we don't know because they didn't specify exactly what they were talking about. It could have been with a number of things.
It could have been even with differences, commercial differences between the two countries. So we don't know exactly if it had to do with the
reliability of the flight or the company at this point -- Hannah.
JONES: Rafael Romo, for now, thanks very much indeed. We're going to stay with the story because Chapecoense was supposed to play in one of their
biggest ever football games in the next few hours. Instead, their supporters are in deep mourning. Thousands of heartbroken fans gathered at
their stadium to remember the majority of the team who were killed in that horrific crash on Tuesday.
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JONES: Well, this was the scene of joy just one week ago as one of the team found out that he was to become a father. He was one of the 71 people
killed on that crash.
We have much more news still to come here on THE WORLD RIGHT NOW including the oil cartel OPEC has reached a long awaited deal to cut production.
What it means for oil-rich countries and prices at the pump. Stay tuned with plenty more.
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JONES: Welcome back. Donald Trump called NATO obsolete during the presidential campaign. Now, NATO countries bordering Russia are concerned
the U.S. won't come to their defense in a time of need. The U.S. has deployed small unit of troops in Norway to train NATO forces and help ease
those concerns. As CNN's Nick Paton Walsh gained exclusive access to their training.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Just got very cold again for these U.S. Marines training with tanks in
Norway. On the eastern borders of a NATO that's suddenly nervous once more.
(on camera): They're moving forward now towards the fake enemy positions, but this kind of exercise since Russia's moves in Ukraine have taken on a
new kind of realism and urgency.
(voice-over): In January, 300 Marines were moved to Norway permanently. That's how worried about Moscow's intentions they are. For now, a unit
from North Carolina are readying these tanks, normally stored deep in caves, but now the furthest north of the Arctic Circle they've ever been.
After Iraq and Afghanistan, these are old, new war games about protecting Europe and they know that when the enemy isn't role-playing, it'll probably
be the newly emboldened Russian military.
BRIGADIER, ELDAR BERK, NORWEGIAN ARMY: In 2014, there was a clear sign that Russia has stepped in an area where they are willing and able to use
military power. Suddenly we have changed focus from what was going on in particularly in Afghanistan and to collective defense, national defense.
WALSH: A change in focus somebody's watching. Norwegian police investigating ten sightings of medium-sized unidentified drones over these
exercises. And the furthest point north of the border you can go, it's an open game of watching.
A Russian helicopter lands, rare here. And when Donald Trump questioned America's commitment to NATO, he seems to want with Russia, that bit of
land just there, it gets noticed here.
(on camera): So all the way up here, did you hear about Donald Trump becoming U.S. president?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I did.
WALSH: What do people think out here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not allowed to talk about that actually.
WALSH (voice-over): It's not really a Russian invasion they worry about here, but rather the sort of separatist uprising Russia fermented in
Ukraine. Green men with guns creating trouble.
(on camera): We're heading out with the border patrol towards their frontier with Russia. Presence on the ground being volatile for them and
ensuring nothing toward happens with their large, at times unfriendly neighbor.
(voice-over): That's really the reason the Norwegian and American tanks you saw earlier to be sure, they're even out here in the empty pines and
crisp snow. No matter what a Trump presidency brings, there's enough muscle already here to enforce NATO's promises of collective security.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It happens.
WALSH (on camera): Would you like to talk to them?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Probably, but it's illegal.
WALSH (voice-over): It is strange to hear Norwegians, NATO members talk so vividly again about the Russian threat. The constant and real backdrop to
this survival training happening tonight under a staggering display of the northern lights.
Not until now is being sure you're reading happened with such a sense of insecurity about Europe's very borders that mounts slowly as the Trump
presidency nears. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Northern Norway.
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JONES: Oil prices are skyrocketing as leading oil producers agree to cut production. OPEC members has decided to cut oil output by 1.2 million
barrels a day. That means consumers could see fuel and eating costs go up. CNN's John Defterios is covering this from Vienna where OPEC members met
earlier today.
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JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNN MONEY EMERGING MARKETS EDITOR: It was nearly a year in the making, but OPEC finally secured its prize. First production cut since
2008. It took three days of intense closed door meetings, some taking place at OPEC headquarters, other at five-star hotels here in Vienna.
But at the end of the day, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Iraq had to set aside their personal differences to cut 1.2 million barrels a day. As a result,
ministers tell me they can get into a trading ban of $55 to $60 a barrel by the first quarter of 2017.
[15:25:06]The attention now will shift away from OPEC to the other major producers of the world like Russia, Mexico, and Kazakhstan. The so called
non-OPEC producers are expected to add some 600,000 barrels a day of cuts.
With the rising price of crude, naturally heating oil prices and prices at the pump will go up. But overall economists say after seeing prices fall
to $27 a barrel at start of the year, it's time to have some stability at a higher level -- Hannah.
JONES: John Defterios there for us in Vienna.
Now England's football team have appointed Southgate as their new manager, but the eyes of the sporting world are on the ever growing sex abuse
scandal enveloping the game.
More than a dozen police forces are now investigating historical allegations. One former footballer who says he was abused was Andy
Woodward, he spoke to CNN's Amanda Davis about his ordeal.
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AMANDA DAVIS, CNN WORLD SPORT: How has your life been affected by what happened to you?
ANDY WOODWARD, FORMER FOOTBALLER: Like anybody that suffers abuse and whether you're in football or not, it affects you so much that, you know,
I've had three marriages. I've had five children, and my children haven't seen their dad really until probably hopefully now in the future to
experience that delight that I should have had, you know. I can't change the past. I can change the future now, but I can't change the past and
we've all suffered exactly the same scenario.
DAVIS: What for you was the toughest part about speaking out?
WOODWARD: All those emotions are locked here to open that box. It's bad enough I opened the box to psychiatrist, you know, to actually open that
box out to public, I was -- I'll be honest with you, I was frightened to death, but inside my heart, I knew that it was there, you know, and I had
to do it. If I didn't do it now, they've all said this to me. They've all contacted me and said if you aren't doing it now, it would all have taken
it to the graves.
DAVIS: Given that response, do you now wish you had spoken out publicly earlier?
WOODWARD: I -- I -- I couldn't have done it earlier because I wasn't strong enough. You know, and I've only said they would never have been
strong enough.
DAVIS: If you had a message now for somebody sitting at home, sitting in a hotel room, watching this interview --
WOODWARD: I encourage any victim in any walk of life no matter how old they are, how young they are that that strength within them. So don't feel
frightened that you won't get that support because you will. It is there. You just have to just step yourself out of that port. Take the lock off
that box and go for it.
DAVIS: And has there been a moment since that you've regretted your decision?
WOODWARD: No, no. No. No way. No. This is helping people and I'm starting to believe that it is.
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JONES: Brave man coming forward there.
This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Let's talk about bitter enemies to strategic allies. We'll have details of Donald Trump's working dinner with secretary
of state candidate, Mitt Romney. Just ahead.
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[15:31:04] ZAIN ASHER, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Welcome back to THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Take a look at this hour's top stories.
Donald Trump says his administration will do great things for business but also warns that companies leaving the U.S. will face consequences. The
President-elect spoke minutes ago at a factory in Indiana. He toured the plant to highlight a deal that saved about 1,000 jobs there from being
outsourced.
Meantime, in Syria, rebel groups in eastern Aleppo are joining forces. The new coalition appears to be standing its ground after days of losing ground
to Syrian government troops. The cities east had been in rebel hands for more than four years.
And breaking news out of France to talk to you about, Francois Hollande says he will not stand for second term as President. He has been in charge
of France since 2012, and the decision means the Socialist Party will have to select another candidate to stand in next year's election. Mr. Hollande
spoke to the nation in the past hour.
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FRANCOIS HOLLANDE, PRESIDENT OF FRANCE: (Speaking in French)
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ASHER: Let's get more now from CNN's Paris correspondent Melissa Bell. She joins us live now. So, I mean, this really is the first President in
France not to stand for re-election since the war. Presumably, he saw the writing on the wall, Melissa, loud and clear.
MELISSA BELL, CNN PARIS CORRESPONDENT: Precisely, Zain. You can't really overstate how significant an announcement. This isn't simply never been
done before by a sitting President, not to seek re-election in this since World War II. You sensed in his voice, you could see in his manner, how
difficult a statement it must have been to make.
And, of course, until tonight, the expectation had been that Francois Hollande would be seeking re-election, that we were simply waiting for him
to announce his bid, with this very inelegant sort of power play that's been going on rather too publicly for the liking of the ruling Socialist
Party between the President and his Prime Minister, Manuel Valls.
The Socialist primary, the date to put down your candidature, opens today and lasts for 15 days, so of course Francois Hollande had to declare
himself over the next couple of weeks. He's clearly been convinced that it was not in the interest of his Party that he should stand.
It is, I remind you, a Party that is profoundly divided at the moment. He is the President with the worst polls in the popularity ratings that anyone
can remember. And so in many ways, many had thought this is the decision he should make, but it was obviously not the one that he wanted to make.
I think what probably changed things for him was the primary on the right, very successful by any measure, huge participation rights and the man,
Francois Fillon, that's emerged from it who looks set to take on possibly successfully at the polls, if it is to be believed, Marine Le Pen and her
far right at the next presidential election.
There was simply no room in those polls for the Socialist Party. It's only hope is to gather around a candidacy other than Francois Hollande. Now,
whether that will be someone who emerges from the Socialist primary itself, which is to be held in the month of January, Manuel Valls, for instance,
the Prime Minister, fully expected to be amongst those standing, or whether it comes from another man, like Emmanuel Macron, who's standing outside of
the booth of the two main parties, remains to be seen.
But it is also what we've seen just now, just announced by Francois Hollande, a reminder of the difficulty faced by so many movements on the
left of the political spectrum, Zain, as they face this reemergence of the right, whether it is populace or not populace as in the case of Francois
Fillon.
ASHER: All right, Melissa Bell. We'll have to leave it there. Thank you so much. I appreciate that.
[15:34:57] All right. I want to turn now to our top story. Some Americans are praising Donald Trump's jobs deal with Carrier, but others are
questioning what exactly he promised or threatened to extract those concessions. Some critics even say he is setting a dangerous precedent.
Let's get more now from Annie Ropeik who's live for us in Indianapolis. She reports on economic issues for Public Broadcasting Stations in Indiana.
So, Annie, thank you so much for being with us. So if this is such a huge win for Donald Trump, then why can't he be more transparent with what was
in that deal?
ANNIE ROPEIK, ECONOMY REPORTER, INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATIONS: You know, that is a great question. We are hearing a statement from Carrier
just a short time ago with a little more deal about the state and Carrier's package, $7 million over a number of years contingent on various factors
including job retention and performance, things like that.
But Trump gave out a number of different numbers for how many jobs will stay here in Indianapolis, even just over the course of his speech. They
are different than what we've heard in the past couple of days as well. So it's a little bit unclear at this point.
I think this visit, which kicks off his "Thank You" tour that begins in Ohio later today may have been more about the fact that he made the call
and the fact that he was able to do this for these workers who are here supporting him than it was about the (inaudible) 00:01:13.
ASHER: Yes. He is feeling very good about himself, feeling very pleased with himself. Trump won Indiana by a significant amount. He won by 57
percent. But does this do enough? From the people you have spoken to, does this actually do enough to win over people who may have been initially
apprehensive about Donald Trump?
ROPEIK: You know, a couple of workers I spoke to yesterday who are union members, they're Democrats, they did not vote for Trump in the election and
never supported him, they've been pleasantly surprised by this news. I mean, it's hard for them to say that they don't appreciate it now. And I
think that they hope this will bode well for future deals like this for other workers whose jobs are getting sent overseas or we're going to be
sent overseas.
They are impressed and they're waiting to see what he'll do next, if he can continue delivering on some of the promises that they did not believe in
before the election.
ASHER: All right. Annie Ropeik, I have to leave it there. Thank you so much. I appreciate that.
ROPEIK: Thank you.
ASHER: Let's get more perspective on this jobs deal now from CNN political commentator, Alice Stewart. She's a Republican strategy who served --
strategist, I should say, who served as communications director for Ted Cruz. So thank you so much for being with us.
A lot of people are saying that this sets a dangerous precedent because some companies might say, well, you know what, you did this for Carrier.
Can you do the same thing for us?
ALICE STEWART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, look, let me say this first off, Zain, is that anytime you have a policy success and you can put
a personal face on it, it's a win-win.
And look, Donald Trump campaigned on the issue of economic reforms, progressive economic reforms, specifically outlining his commitment to
imposing tariffs on companies that move their manufacturing facilities out of the country and try to ship their goods back into this country, and also
promised to provide economic incentives for businesses to stay here.
In this case today, he talked about the possibility of reducing corporate tax from 35 possibly to15. He also talked about reducing government
regulations. He talked about doing away with NAFTA. All of these were things he campaigned on. Clearly, with some of those in mind, he was able
to execute a deal in this case and it was successful. One thousand people are keeping their jobs.
ASHER: So, Alice, you're essentially --
STEWART: And for the --
ASHER: Sorry to interrupt. You're essentially having taxpayers paying Carrier to keep those jobs.
STEWART: Look, in the end, it's a win for not just Indiana, but this will be a template for similar deals made across the country. And we can save
jobs --
ASHER: But you can't do this for every company.
STEWART: No, but the key to success with this -- to that point, the key to success is to establish consistent guidelines across the board for
companies that will be in the situation and be able to save jobs. Look, this is a unique situation but if he can continue to provide corporate tax
breaks for companies that are saving jobs, overall, that creates growth and that is a good thing.
So by making job creators have a less burdensome tax rate, it's helpful. Also reducing the government regulations on this corporations is helpful.
So this is an example of what he is able to do before he is even in office. And while every case is different, having a uniform set of conducts and
consistent guidelines on cases like this, that is going to help the economy.
And he has also said other aspects of his economic agenda with regard to reducing government regulations and unleashing American energy and creating
American jobs in that sector, doing away with a lot of these trade deals, NAFTA and TPP, renegotiating bilateral agreements with other countries that
help American jobs. That is the key to success. And while this is a unique case, the principles involved here will help the American economy
and can be used at companies after he is elected.
[15:40:00] ASHER: So Carrier actually issued a statement there, so I'm just going to read some of it to you. It says, "This agreement, in no way,
diminishes our belief in the benefit of free trade, and that the forces of globalization will continue to require solutions for the long-term
competitiveness of the U.S. and of American for workers moving forward." So Carrier is basically saying, you know what, yes, we kept jobs in the
U.S. this time but don't expect it again.
STEWART: Well, I think that remains to be seen. I think, right now, when you look at the success that we have right now and moving forward, if he
continues to have similar policies that make it easier for owners of Carrier and United Technologies that was involved in this, that we'll
continue to see more success.
Maybe this is their way of being cautiously optimistic that, hopefully, this will pan out because they don't want to have another situation where
they're having to lay people off by any stretch of the imagination, which is a smart business play to make.
But I think what we can look at today, from what we've seen from the President-elect and the Vice President-elect and the employees at that
plant, this was a success. And I think as we're able to hear more details of this plan and apply it to other companies that are struggling to make
ends meet, I think we're going to see more in the future.
ASHER: Well, some people say, you know what, it's actually really impressive that he was able to fulfill his campaign promises even before he
stepped foot in the White House, so maybe you have to give him credit. But --
STEWART: Sure. And I think a lot of success also goes to Mike Pence. I've been in the Governor's office in Arkansas and governors and economic
development officials in Indiana had a lot to do with setting the ground work for getting this done. And it evidently took Donald Trump getting in
and some federal intervention, in this particular case, to help move the ball a little further down the field. So I think, certainly, Mike Pence
deserves a lot of credit here, too.
ASHER: All right. Alice Stewart, I have to leave it there. Thank you so much. I appreciate that.
STEWART: Thank you, Zain.
ASHER: Now, to the upcoming election in Austria which could see Norbert Hoffer become the European Union's first far right head of state. CNN's
Atika Shubert traveled to Vienna to meet a man who believes Donald Trump's victory in November will spark an identity revolution across Europe.
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ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Vienna, Austria. The city is a living monument to centuries of European history and
heritage. And at its center is a statue of Empress Maria Theresa sitting on her thrown.
Monday night, Austria's far right identity movement arrived, lights flashing. They used a crane to hoist a giant black niqab, the Islamic face
veil, on to the statue. And they pinned this sign. "Islamization, no thanks," it reads.
MARTIN SELLNER, MEMBER, AUSTRIA'S IDENTITY MOVEMENT: My generation was never asked if we want this mass immigration and if we want Islamization
and this population replacement in your country.
SHUBERT: Twenty-seven-year-old Martin Sellner is a veteran of the identity movement, posting frequent YouTube videos and wearing colorful T-shirts he
designs himself with slogans like "Europa Nostra" or "Our Europe." He met us at a typically Viennese cafe.
SELLNER: My biggest fear is that, at some point, demographics could kill democracy.
SHUBERT: So you're not a White supremacist?
SELLNER: No, not at all. Not at all. I think we're just patriots. I think the problem is not people, the problem is the system. That's why we
also reject like the idea of anti-Semitism or something like that which is identifying the problems with a certain people. I think that's stupid and
wrong.
SHUBERT: But the identity movement does single out one group, Muslims. Only an estimated 7 percent of Austrians are Muslim. But in Vienna and its
suburbs where Sellner grew up, the demographics are now more than 12 percent, with some neighborhoods majority Muslim. Sellner claims this is
Islamization.
SELLNER: A majority of them is largely against democracy, anti-Semitic, fundamentalistic, and more than 70 percent of them say that, for them, the
ethnic tribal identity is more important than the Austrian citizenship.
SHUBERT: Last year, Austria was overwhelmed with refugees. Most moved on to Germany, but 90,000 stayed to claim asylum in Austria, prompting the
government to cap refugee applications at just 80 a day until an annual limit of 37,500 is reached this year. But that wasn't enough for Sellner.
He and other identity movement activists hand out fliers calling for Austria to shut its borders all together. And now, he believes that God-
emperor Donald Trump, as he cheekily refers to the U.S. President-elect, will bring the change Sellner wants in Europe.
Do you think there will be a Trump effect?
SELLNER: Yes, absolutely. The idea that you have the right to preserve your identity, to close your borders, to -- yes, to be patriotic without
any feeling of guilt.
[15:45:03] SHUBERT: But cultural blends do have their benefits.
SELLNER: I think it's possible to have different ethnic communities, especially in Vienna, for example, where we're drinking coffee, something
that was brought here by the Turks. But does it really have to be a complete exchange of population?
SHUBERT: Vienna's famous Cafe Melange is an equal balance of black coffee and creamy milk foam. It seems for Sellner that blend is fine for
drinking, but people, he says, need a different balance.
Atika Shubert, CNN, Vienna.
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ASHER: A fascinating piece, and we will have extensive coverage of both the Austria election and the Italian referendum this weekend on CNN, so be
sure to stay tuned. And also, make sure you stay tuned for this show, THE WORLD RIGHT NOW, which should be live with our Hala Gorani from Vienna on
Monday. Hala's been off this week, but she'll be back on Monday with that show for all of you.
Still ahead this hour, cracking down on those that who solicit sex from minors. We'll show you how one innovative program is working hard to
tackle the demand side of human trafficking. Don't go away.
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ASHER: In the U.S., a non-profit group is tackling the demand side of human trafficking. It is a simple but very effective project which targets
potential predators using their very own phone numbers. Here is our Robyn Curnow with more.
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ROBYN CURNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Sexual predators lurking behind their computer screens are no longer as hidden as they might think. YouthSpark,
a non-profit that provides services to trafficking victims recently launched a new initiative that tackles the lesser discussed side of the
trafficking problem, demand.
ALEX TROUTEAUD, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, YOUTHSPARK: When every day, you are serving youth who have been sexually exploited, at some point, you sit back
and say, what's causing this? Because there's nothing wrong with the kids. We really felt like we owed it to the youth that we work with to work
upstream a little bit, and start doing what we can as an NGO to address the exploitation that they were being faced with.
CURNOW: Demand Tracker is simple. An employee posts adds online offering juveniles up for sex. Unlike the other ads on the site like this, hers are
decoys and the models, all adults, agree to pose for them. She clicks post and wait.
When a would-be predator calls or texts the number in the ad, Demand Tracker automatically adds the number to a public searchable database. The
caller is also sent a text message letting them know their number has been identified and is available to law enforcement.
[15:49:57] TROUTEAUD: Guys get involved in this pretty heavily, they start somewhere. If the first time you do that, you realize, whoa, someone is
watching and I'm going to be held accountable for this and law enforcement are paying attention. That's the kind of message that we think will
educate men to change their track real fast.
CURNOW: In the four months that Demand Tracker has been operational, it has recorded 12,000 unique numbers. The system does have its limitations.
It can identify phone numbers but not who places the calls. And it can't separate intentional calls from misdials. If someone wants their number
removed from the public facing list, there is a button on the side that allows them to do that, but the number still remains in the database
itself.
Trouteaud says police are mainly concerned with numbers that show up multiple times as these are likely not accidental. It's not perfect, but
many in law enforcement see it as a great start to tackling demand.
DALIA RACINE, ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY, DEKALB COUNTY, GEORGIA: It may not be something that we could use in a particular case, but I think it is
good to help with pushing legislation to make tougher laws against the purchasers. It could help in bringing together training curriculum on how
to track purchasers by looking at their patterns and their habits.
CURNOW: It also sends a clear message to predators.
RACINE: We are coming after the demand side just as hard as we are after the exploiters and after the supply side of this issue. And you are no
longer going to be safe behind those keyboards. We are going to find you and we are going to prosecute you.
CURNOW: Robyn Curnow, CNN, Atlanta.
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ASHER: Pretty clever technology and for such a good cause. This is an important issue for us here at CNN. And tomorrow, the CNN "FREEDOM
PROJECT" is going to be introducing you to a group of students running an endurance race to save the lives of trafficking victims. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For 24 hours, teams of eight from Hong Kong-based schools will run continues relay laps, a bold mission to raise awareness of
modern day slavery and money to fight human trafficking.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Slowly, I started to go back to my home roots, and when I found out more about the problem of ending slavery in India, how it
manifests in many different many forms, I felt really bad.
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ASHER: And you're going to hear more about their motivation and how they handle the 24-hour race. It is all part of the "FREEDOM PROJECT" special
series tackling demand, only on CNN. We'll have much more news after this break. Don't go away.
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ASHER: All this week, we're reporting on the world's fastest growing major economy, India. Mumbai is well-known, of course, as the home of Bollywood,
the Indian film industry. And now, the city of Hyderabad is trying to make a name for itself as well as a hub of film animation. Here is our Andrew
Stevens with more.
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ANDREW STEVENS, CNNMONEY ASIA PACIFIC EDITOR: Tapping into India's creative past to make tomorrow's next big block buster. That's the mission
of Makuta VFX, a boutique animation studio in Hyderabad.
PETE DRAPER, CEO AND CO-FOUNDER, MAKUTA VFX: The entire history of the country is based on creativity. You look at some of the old sculpt work
going back, you know, thousands of years. Yes, we're working with computers as opposed to ceramics but it's still creative.
STEVENS: Pete Draper co-founded Makuta nearly seven years ago. It helped create the magical setting of last year's a smash hit, "Baahubali." Now,
Makuta's 60 plus animators are working on the sequel set to release in April.
[15:55:06] India makes more than a thousand movies a year. Growth in the animation and VFX sector is booming. According to analysis by KPMG, it is
projected to be a billion dollar industry by 2018, servicing both Bollywood and Hollywood.
DRAPER: The perception that outside studios have of the country is that we farm stuff out to India to do the stuff that they don't really want to do,
or it's more cost effective to send the stuff over here to do these more labor intensive tasks. We're not just doing the labor stuff. We're doing
the art, and that's the main goal.
STEVENS: Hyderabad hopes to attract more companies like Makuta with a new facility for gaming and animation startups. It's part of the state
government's broader goal of becoming the country's innovation hub. It helped set up an incubator called T-Hub to encourage entrepreneurs.
JAY KRISHNAN, CEO, T-HUB: The large vision is to be a top ten startup destination in the world by 2020. That's the bold ambition.
STEVENS: Businessman Jay Krishnan moved to Hyderabad to run T-Hub. It officially opened its doors in January. The public initiative is self-
funded and is already turning a profit. About 200 startups work in the building with around 3,000 on the wait list.
K.K. Jain is one of T-Hub's earliest tenants. He says he puts in 12 hours a day, seven days a week, but it's all worth it to grow his own business.
K.K. JAIN, FOUNDER, ANYTIMELOAN.IN: The big elephants can't have the flexibility and agility to adapt and move faster. So the startups and
companies which have actually grown from the roots of the soil so they understand the pain points of millions and millions of Indians.
STEVENS: Krishnan agrees that startups in India should address the country's unique challenges, and he offers this word of advice.
KRISHNAN: It's 110 percent OK to fail. In the context that we live in in India and Asia, failure is considered taboo, but in the startup world,
failures are absolutely OK.
STEVENS: Critics say T-Hub has a mixed record of success so far. But while startups come with risks, Krishnan sees the potential to create jobs
and nurture the seeds of innovation.
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ASHER: All right. It's been a pleasure. This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Thank you so much to all you guys at home for watching. "QUEST MEANS
BUSINESS" is up next. You're watching CNN.
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