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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello everyone. Live from CNN London, I'm Hala Gorani.
Tonight, after the elation comes the difficult question. How do rescuers get 12 kids and their coach out of the Thailand cave? We'll have a live
report.
Another complication is battling the rain. We're live on the scene with the very latest.
And a huge game at the World Cup especially for this news group. England takes on Colombia. We are live in London and in Bogota.
Now we begin in Thailand where sheer relief is giving way to sharp reality. The mood of an entire nation now hinges on a single question. How can 12
boys and their coach found alive in a flooded cave get out safely?
A Thai official says, if they could, rescue workers would pull them out as soon as possible obviously. But many aspects of both the time line and
tactics remain uncertain. Rescue workers are staying with the boys and providing food, so they can regain their strength before moving.
And to do that they may need to scuba dive, something the Thai Navy says it will teach the children. But here's one complication, more heavy rains are
forecast, something that could swing the balance of an already treacherous operation.
Now in a moment, we'll speak to a reporter on the ground about some of the pressing concerns facing emergency services. First, Anna Coren brings us
up to speed with how things have unfolded so far.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many of you? 13? Brilliant.
ANNA COREN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Ten days and nights in total darkness, cold, wet, and starving. Then rescuers shine a light.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ten days, 10 days. You are very strong.
COREN: There is no celebration. The boys, the youngest just 11 sit still. Their strength gone. "We're hungry" the boys cry out. The divers have now
brought them pork and rice. A medic has evaluated their light injuries. Quickly, they will be asked to regain their energy. Their nightmare
however is not over.
REAR ADMIRAL ARPAKORN YOOKONGKAEW, THAI NAVY SEAL COMMANDER (through translator): Our mission is not accomplished yet. It will be over after
we've brought all the kids out.
COREN: This is how rescuers fought to reach them. Navy SEALs, experienced cavers forcing themselves through flooded holes deep in a network of
tunnels that stretch on for kilometers. The trapped teenagers know these caves well.
As muddy currents surged at their feet, the boys climbed on to life, collecting drops of water from the roof of the limestone cave, a natural
filtration system. Surely, they are all too aware how hard it is going to be to get them out.
The tunnels that these boys squeezed through to get here 10 days ago are now swept with water. Some of the boys cannot swim.
NARONGSAK OSOTTHANAKORNE, CHIANG RAI GOVERNOR (through translator): Actually, there are scuba masks that they can use for breathing and then
getting out, but they have to be trained and to practice inside. Let's see what they are capable of.
COREN: The next step is to put in a timeline so that these families can hear their son's voices. For the parents, many haven't slept as the
clock's ticked for their boys.
ADISAH WONGSUKJAN, FATHER OF 14-YEAR-OLD BOY LOST IN CAVE (through translator): I was happy to hear the cheering from the rescue workers. It
gave me hope I was going to see my son alive.
COREN: But time remains the enemy, heavy rain is forecast to resume in the next few days. Too much water and this already grueling path out of the
cave will again be closed off completely. Anna Coren, CNN, Chiang Rai, Thailand.
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GORANI: Let's head straight to the frontline of this operation and speak to Jonathan Miller, who is close to the cave entrance. Jonathan, what is
delaying the rescue and are the rains expect forward next week, could they speed up the operation?
JONATHAN MILLER, JOURNALIST: The rain is expected for next week. The rains are expected for tomorrow, Hala. And this is the very, very
beginning of the monsoon season in Thailand. What's happed so far with the torrential down pours that caused the plight of the boys in the cave was
just a fore taste of what's to come.
Next month, in August and September, the precipitation rates are off the scale and unless they get the boys out before that, they will be stuck in
the cave. Now, they can keep them in the cave. They can put them on an elevated platform.
[15:05:11] They can make sure that they are safe and well fed and they have doctors, but what a miserable existence that would be. So, there is a real
sense of urgency trying to get them out while there is still this window.
And it hasn't been raining for about three days, so they are exploring all viable options. There are several on the table. The most talked about has
been getting them with oxygen masks on their faces, masks on, and if they don't actually manage to teach them to scuba dive out, bringing them out
somehow with these -- with this oxygen.
Now, that is very, very dangerous. It is fraught with danger this operation. As was described in Anna's report, it's a cave system with
several chasms and caverns. And they are all interlinked by these tunnels which are very narrow, very sharp corners.
And, you know, how do you get boys, who can't even swim out? You know, for a mile and a half, two miles, who knows how deep they are inside. But it
is a very, very dangerous thing indeed to attempt.
GORANI: And is it because the rescuers, doctors, nurses are going in have scuba diving experience and can swim that they can get in, but because the
boys don't, that is why they can't take them out with them? Is that what's going on? I've heard that a lot. If the rescuers can go in, why can't
they pull the boys out?
MILLER: Well, I think it is exactly that. To be a cave diver is a very specialist skill. Some of us have scuba dived, and a bit of caving in our
past, but combining the two is an art. And you have got to be very experienced.
These boys are incredibly inexperienced. No experience at all in fact. So, it is very difficult. But let me just give you a flavor of what's been
going on down there today. The Thai Navy SEALs on their Facebook page listed all that things that have been happening. So, you can get a sense
of the urgency from this.
Day ten they said, diving doctor gave them health checks. Divers from the U.K., U.S., Australia, China and Thai police and volunteers all in there.
At one point, there were 47 divers just 12 hours ago in the cave at one particular moment in time.
They supplied the boys with food. They attempted to drain a chamber. They've set up this landline or attempting to setup a landline, so the boys
can speak to their moms and dads. And they have been ferrying down all these oxygen masks and leaving them in prepositioned pick up points along
the way.
It's been an incredible hive of activity. So, you can really sense that there is a desperation to see these boys brought out?
GORANI: And hour they holding up? How are they doing mentally? Are they -- because these are really small kids, 11, 12, 13 years old some of them.
MILLER: Yes, absolutely. You know, you have to marvel at the sheer resilience of them. I suppose they are fit young teenage football players.
So, they have got a bit of stamina. But can you imagine the psychological torment of being stuck in the dark for nine whole days without any human
contact, without knowing whether anybody was even aware of the fact that they were in there.
They have held up remarkably and they have had these medical checks today. The doctor said they are in pretty good physical shape and they have been
having these sorts of high-energy protein drinks and digestible foods.
They have even had their favorite sticky rice and grilled pork brought down to them today. And I think, you know, if they are going to attempt to
bring them out, they will want to make sure that they are not too weak because they will have been weakened by this experience.
They have been without food all that time. So, maybe they want to just feed them up as best they can to get just a bit more strength before they
attempt anything too dramatic.
GORANI: All right. Jonathan Miller, thanks very much, at the rescue site. Appreciate it.
Now, we were discussing with Jonathan Miller that there is rain in the forecast. I said next week. He corrected me and said actually it is
tomorrow. So, despite the best efforts of rescue workers to pump water out of the cave, they have -- basically they have little power against the
sheer force of monsoon rains.
Jennifer Gray is at the World Weather Center. Talk to us about the forecast here in that part of Thailand.
JENNIFER GRAY, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Well, Hala, we are at the beginning of the monsoon season and we do have a tiny window between the next one to
five days where we're not going see as much rain. But between days six and ten the rain is going to really ramp up.
So, within that window it would be really wise for the rescuers to take advantage of the pumps and things like that to try to drain the water
because this is going to be the best window to do that.
Here is the satellite picture and you can see some clouds have been in the area but really nothing too major as far as rain goes. Here is the
monsoonal chart and you can see July and August the rainy season really ramps up. We have 350 to 400 millimeters of rain.
And the forecast for July through September, 10 percent of above normal rainfall for Northern Thailand. So, here is the next couple of days, you
can see isolated showers around the area.
[15:10:12] Then some clearing and then the showers do pop back up. The forecast for the next five days, and we're really only forecasting about 25
millimeters of rain and that is what we were mentioning. You could use pumps and this like that because the water is not going to rise all that
much.
Then we'll see more rain days five through ten where we could see isolated amounts from 100 to 150 millimeters of rain. That is significantly more
and that is where we could see dangerous flooding and it is going to be harder for rescuers to get in that cave during that time.
And then in the weeks to come the rain is just going to ramp up even more because you are going to be in the peak of that monsoonal season. The
forecast the next couple of days, 10 percent chance of rain on Friday, 30, Thursday, 50 Wednesday.
Just backing a little because the rain chances actually go down as we go forward in time. So, we are going to see scattered chances of showers in
the forecast the next couple of days and the families, you know, are just so anxious is see their babies, their boys so young in there.
But the relief, Hala, you couldn't even imagine hearing the good news. So, I know there is so much hope now.
GORANI: I know. They were -- I mean, people, even observers, journalists after eight, nine days were starting to think well maybe the worst has
happened. So, it was incredible news to learn they were alive and now they are being fed and looked after. Thanks very much, Jennifer Gray.
As you will have witnessed on the incredible rescue video, it was British divers who first made contact with these boys. The British Cave Rescue
Council has been in touch with them and it's assistant chairman, Gary Mitchell, joins me now on the line.
So, Gary, what were your first thoughts when you saw -- and I believe you know the gentlemen, who made it to the boys first. What were your first
thoughts when you saw your colleagues talking to those boys?
GARY MITCHELL, ASSISTANT CHAIRMAN, BRITISH CAVE RESCUE COUNCIL (via telephone): I think just sheer excitement, joyful emotion, relief. I'm a
father myself. I've got a couple of youngsters. And just as your previous reporters have said, you can't really quite imagine what those youngsters
and the coach have been through for the last nine or ten days.
GORANI: And the question I asked our reporter, but you are an expert so maybe you can add to his explanation. If the rescuers can two in and at
one point he said 47 divers were down there. Why is it then so difficult to pull maybe some of the strongest boys out quicker than, you know, we're
expecting, like in the next few days? Why can't you do that as easily as it sounds to us that it should be?
MITCHELL: When we talk about it and see it from the slightly removed positions from our own home we would possibly ask the same question. But
actually, in that scenario it is a huge undertaking to even contemplate risking diving non-divers out to any flooded passage. We've got imagine
these guys are two kilometers in from the entrance.
Almost a kilometer of that is completely flooded from floor to ceiling. So, kilometers worth of water is a huge diving risky sort of task for even
the best divers in the world. And although there might be 47 divers in the water, we know that there's only a small percentage of them make it through
to the boys.
And that is in a sort of dozens, possibly. Just over a dozen or so have actually reached the boys and brought in supplies and things. It is one
foot of visibility at best. It is confined spaces in there. There is sort of silt. There are natural obstacles. There is equipment, pumping
equipment, line, ropes and things like that. It's risky business.
GORANI: But if it rains and it is the beginning of the monsoon season, what are the options then? Unless you teach the boys to scuba dive, what
other solution is there here?
MITCHELL: Well, as we're hearing from various media, perhaps the best option would be to try and dive these boys out over a period of time within
the weather windows we keep talking about as well. It is one of three options and I've got to say neither of three options in my mind are
brilliant.
But to you have to weigh out the risks and work out, what is the best thing to do not only for the coach and boys but for the divers involved. It
would take two divers and one person to make any journey underground.
That even with the most experienced divers is around an hour and a half worth of underground really strenuous conditions, confined, tight
conditions and only can dive one person at a time with two rescue drivers. It is a big operation.
[15:15:14] GORANI: One has to wonder how these boys got there, was it just that those areas weren't flooded and so they kind of got through the tunnel
system that was dry at that time and then they were caught in by a flash flood?
MITCHELL: Yes, absolutely. They visited the showcase and went up a little further to have that bit of exploration. It can happen really quite quick.
A bit of monsoon rain, you are not aware underground what's happening on the surface and leisurely enjoying yourself and all of a sudden, the flood
waters rise.
And they rise so quickly. They almost didn't have a chance the get back out and they were sort of lucky they managed to find high ground. We think
they have moved at least once underground to get higher as as flood waters continue to rise.
GORANI: And lastly, I mean, if you kept the boys there until it was dry. I know it sounds crazy to viewers, keeping them there for weeks maybe even
longer until it is safe to get out. But are there other risks associated with staying down there? I mean, rocks falling or hypothermia, all sorts
of issues being in a cave for that long?
MITCHELL: I mean, clearly, there are health issues. Lack of Vitamin d and that sort of sunlight overtime. Mental health would be a key problem.
Hypothermia actually not a concern in this scenario. Air temperatures underground in Thailand are pretty favorable. They are sort of around 18-
20 degrees. That is not a huge issue.
Clearly, you have got to have enough supplies pumped into them to last whatever period of time they are going to stay in and what flood waters
rise quicker than they can get supplies in. That is a risk.
Rock falls is not really concern in most cases. It's one of the things that sort of (inaudible) perhaps think about, but actually these systems
have been around for hundreds of years being developed and they are relatively safe. There is a way to risk of bits of rock. More in this
case bits of mud on the floor they are perched on rather than rocks dropping.
GORANI: All right. Gary Mitchell, we appreciate speaking to you this evening. Thanks for your expertise. Gary Mitchell on the phone of the
British Cave Rescue Council. Thanks for being us with us.
The U.K. is just one of the many nations playing a role in this operation. It is truly a multinational rescue. The U.S. Air Force has been on the
scene working round the clock since last week as CNN's Anna Coren spoke with one of their spokespeople.
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JESSICA TAIT, PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER, U.S. AIR FORCE: This is a Thai-led multinational rescue operation. Having the opportunity to work side by
side with our Thai partners who, you know, United States and Thailand long- standing allies in the region. We constantly exercise with them.
But to see this translate to a real-world operation and the interoperability and all the friendships that we have developed over the
years translating to being able to work together here and for it to be so successful.
And I also love to note the fact that working with the Australian partners. The Chinese are here. The British divers, I mean, that video footage.
Amazing. They are experts. They are expert divers, and this is like a really challenging dive. It is just amazing.
COREN: Tell us a bit more about that. What sort of conditions?
TAIT: So, you are dealing with darkness. You are dealing with water. You are dealing with mud and I think the taxing on the body too. So, these
guys have been working long days. The Thai partners and international force too, but they are pushing through to see the motivation. It makes
sense.
These children and the coach have been in for nine days. And I didn't see motivation dwindle and you are working long hours I think it is because you
keep in the back of your mind that you are working for something greater and the fact it had such a positive outcome like straight out of a movie.
It is amazing.
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GORANI: Indeed. Straight out of a movie. Still to come, Donald Trump issues a warning to NATO allies ahead of next week's summit telling this
them to boost their military spending or else. We'll be right back.
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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Well, now to an absolutely shocking story here in the U.K. It involves a healthcare worker, someone who has
made it their life's work to help people. But today the woman was arrested on suspicion of in fact killing eight babies and trying to kill six others
at a hospital in England and there could be more. Police are looking at 17 deaths and 15 other nonfatal cases in all.
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PAUL HUGHES, CHESTER POLICE DETECTIVE INSPECTOR: This has been a highly sensitive and complicated investigation and as such we have consorted with
specialists who continue to work alongside the investigative team. Also, we have spoken to and interviewed a large number of staff in the Countess
Chester hospital and beyond.
We have today arrested a healthcare professional. She was arrested this morning on suspicion of the murder of eight babies and the attempted murder
of a further six and currently remains in custody.
It is really important to remember that there is still a long way to go in this inquiry. And a lot of work before we're age to fully ascertain
exactly what happened to these 32 babies subject to the investigation and we are committed to a thorough investigative process.
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GORANI: And there you have it. That is from police. They haven't said who the woman is or what job she held at that hospital there in
Northwestern England.
The American president Donald Trump is pressuring fellow NATO members ahead of their summit next week warning them to increase defense spending or
else. He's issued those demands before. The "New York Times" first reported on letters sent by Trump to NATO allies suggesting the U.S. could
decrease its global military presence if its demands are not met.
After the NATO meeting, President Trump heads to Finland for the long- anticipated one-on-one with Vladimir Putin and he wants to begin with some alone time with the Russian president. And the Kremlin says that suits Mr.
Putin just fine.
Let's get more details on all of this. CNN White House reporter, Jeremy Diamond, joins me now. A former foreign minister of Norway basically said
that Trump is issuing threats, is threatening NATO members with, you know, saying increase your defense spending or we may pull some of our military
assets from your part of the world.
JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, that certainly seems to be the case that the president is making and as he prepares to head to his
second NATO summit in office. It appears once again just like the last time, the president's message to NATO allies will be focused on a call for
them to increase their defense spending to that 2 percent target that was set in 2014 most recently.
The president issuing several letters to NATO leaders urging them to increase defense spending and appearing to warn them of what would happen
if they did not meet that 2 percent target. We know that the president has both privately and publicly lamented the costs of having U.S. troops
abroad.
Not only in South Korea, for example, but also in Germany, one of the key NATO allies who the president is pressing to increase the defense spending.
But it could all set up a very interesting contrast as the president goes to NATO first.
And from there after a quick stop in London will be heading straight to Helsinki for a summit with the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, who, of
course, the president has been criticized for being too soft on at times and who has, of course, tried to drive a wedge in NATO, and he made perhaps
see that goal accomplished as the president heads to Brussels next week.
GORANI: So, will they meet all alone only with translators in the same way he met with Kim Jong-un of North Korea? Do we know more about that?
[15:25:11] DIAMOND: We don't have the details on that at this point. We do know that the president has often prized these kinds of personal one on
one interactions with world leaders believing that it can actually help improve the relationship with the two countries. Little proof in that
pudding so far.
But we do know the president has been eager to meet with Vladimir Putin to have this formal summit between the two. And not the first time they will
have met but the first time they are meeting in a different location specifically for the purpose of hosting this kind of one on one summit.
GORANI: And what will they talk about? Will the U.S. president bring up the annexation of Crimea, investigation into possible Russian meddling in
the 2016 election? Will all that be -- those topics of discussion?
DIAMOND: I think we'll have to wait and see. We know that this president has been frequently unpredictable. The White House has already faced
questions about whether the president would be willing to lift some of those Crimea related sanctions on Russia as part of the discussions.
The White House so far has signaled that those would be off the table, but of course, we know that this is a president who likes to follow his own gut
and instincts. He did so when he met with Kim Jong-un just a few weeks ago.
And so, I think we can expect much of the same playbook when he meets with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland.
GORANI: All right. Thanks very much. Jeremy Diamond at the White House turning from the president's concerns with NATO to North Korea. Mr. Trump
said if it wasn't for him the U.S. would be at war with Pyongyang.
He tweeted that there have been many good conversations between the countries. You recall he met with the North Korean leader last month.
There will be another conversation later this week when the Secretary State of State Pompeo returns to Pyongyang. His trip comes amid new questions
about North Korea's sincerity in its commitment to denuclearize.
A high level Catholic official will not go to prison even after he was found guilty of covering up sex abuse. Australia's archbishop of Adelaide
will not face jail time despite being convicted in May of covering up crimes by a pedophile priest in the 1970s.
Phillip Wilson is the highest-ranking church official to be convicted of covering up abuse. The 67-year-old received six months house arrest and
six months parole due to his age and failing health.
A quick break, when we come back, we'll take a look at what comes next in the efforts to save those 12 boys trapped in a cave in Thailand.
Plus, we will look at the some of the state of the art technology being used in the search and rescue operation. We'll be right back.
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GORANI: In Thailand, crews are working to set up telephone lines deep into the caves so 12 trapped boys can speak to their parents for the first time
in 10 days. They've been fed, thankfully, and evaluated and they are, we're told in relatively good health. Authorities are now racing to come
up with a plan to rescue them and their coach. With more rain on the way, that all, of course, grows more urgent by the hour. Getting to the boys
was tough. Getting them out will be even tougher. CNN's Phil Black looks at the options for a rescue and at the critical role that the British have
played.
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PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After nine days underground this was the first voice they heard?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many are you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirteen.
BLACK: And it was distinctly British.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirteen?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Brilliant.
BLACK: The two divers who swam and crawl for 90 minutes to find this group huddling in the dark, deep underground, are not professional rescuers.
John Volanthen is an internet engineer from the English City of Bristol and Richard Stanton works as a firefighter in Coventry. Both are members of
the British Cave Rescue Council. They are volunteers with highly specialized skillsets and decades of experience.
CHRIS JEWELL, BRITISH CAVE RESCUE COUNCIL: Divers in general are interested in exploring previously unknown caves. So their expertise that
is developed in that exploration can be brought to bear on a rescue scenarios such as this one.
BLACK: Thai authorities asked this British group to fly in and help the search and their expertise in navigating the flooded network of tunnels and
chambers proved crucial in locating the boys. But after the joy of finding them, Volanthen and Stanton also had to deliver a difficult truth. They
would not be getting out quick or easily.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, not today. You have to dive. We are coming. It's OK. It's OK. Many people are coming.
JEWELL: I think it's important to highlight that we're not out of the woods yet. This is only the beginning of the actual rescue phase itself.
It's extremely challenging to extract the boys.
BLACK: But simply, there are no good options. Tunneling deep underground into their small chamber is not easy or safe. Diving them out will become
more challenging as the monsoon season continues. Water will rise, visibility will get worst, currents will get stronger. Even for
experienced divers these are terrifying and dangerous conditions.
JEWELL: Actually, extracting them underwater through this cave will not be undertaken lightly as an extremely hazardous extraction scenario.
BLACK: The British divers are staying on as consultants. The rescue effort is now a military operation. Thai authorities say they will not
rush and will only try to get them out when they are sure it's safe.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are very strong.
BLACK: Whatever they do, the world is now watching, and hoping.
Phil Black, CNN, London.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GORANI: So we've heard from the Americans and the British. Just two of the many players that have been involved in the search and rescue. But an
Israeli firm is contributing as well with some high-tech help. Oren Liebermann has more from Jerusalem and he joins me now live.
What are they doing exactly? The Israelis, with this -- how are they involved in this rescue operation?
OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hala, so many difficult aspects of a rescue operation like this. As we just saw from Phil story there. But one
aspect that's difficult is coordinating the communication between what would be the headquarters of this rescue and the search teams that are out
on the front. Walkie-talkies -- traditional walky-talkies won't do it. They're essentially line of sight or perhaps a little further than that.
It is an Israeli company that has the tech to bridge that gap to make sure the headquarters that are coordinating the rescue effort can talk to the
rescuers who are moving and working on the front lines there.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
LIEBERMANN (voice-over): Rescue teams inching their way along the underground cave to rescue a football team and its coach. A monumentally
difficult operation in terms of logistic, survival and communications. Enter Maxtech Networks, maker of a small handheld radio. It's been an
essential part of the rescue efforts.
TOM GILAD, ENGINEER, MAXTECH NETWORKS: We can simulate the topography of what's going on inside tunnels and inside caves with this.
LIEBERMANN: Tom Gilad, an engineer at Maxtech Networks shows me their lab in Israel. Their system looks like a bunch of walkie-talkies. Buts it's
their ability to connect the radios that makes them valuable. Regular walkie-talkies can talk to each other if they're within roughly line of
sight. Beyond that, they need relays and repeaters to spread the signal. These walkie-talkies automatically act as the repeaters, allowing them to
instantly increase the range of communications without a middleman.
[15:35:03] LIEBERMANN: Normally you said, the guy at radio number one has to talk to radio number three. Radio number two has to talk to radio
number three. Radio number three then has to talk to radio number four.
GILAD: Not in our system though.
LIEBERMANN: You skip all of that.
GILAD: We skip all the radio on speaks and the other end here is in less than a second.
LIEBERMANN: Crucially, the technology works without an established infrastructure, so, for example, in a cave.
GILAD: One line of sight breaks or something happens to this radio. Five times per second our routing algorithm is recalculating which is the best
route for the packets to travel to their destinations.
LIEBERMANN: Thai rescue teams requested Maxtech's radios to help the operation.
UZI HANUNI, CEO, MAXTECH NETWORKS: We decided that we would contribute this equipment. I think this is the Israeli side of every rescue mission
in the world. You won't see people that in a rescue mission selling stuff. They usually give it. And thereafter, you know, we find it coming back to
us 10 times.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many of you?
LIEBERMANN: In Jewish scripture, there's a saying that "he who saves one life saves the world entire." The team that provided the radios to the
rescue effort is happy they could do their part to save 13.
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LIEBERMANN: A small but important part of the rescue effort there. Hala, I asked the CEO who you just heard from there, where did you get the idea
that something like this was necessary and he said it goes back to 2001, to 9/11, when he says first responders lost their lives because of a failure
to communicate when the infrastructure there broke down. He says that's where he got the idea that something like this was needed. It would take
them a few years to come up with the idea of how to make it work. How to make the walky-talkies act essentially as their own repeaters but that was
the genesis of this idea that came in so crucial here in Thailand.
GORANI: All right. Oren Liebermann, thanks very much.
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Still to come tonight.
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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The message to you is, if you don't answer this question, we're going to hold you on the side of the road here
until who knows when.
JUSTIN SUMMERS, NEW HAMPSHIRE RESIDENT: Exactly. It's kind of an intimidation tactic, I think.
GORANI (voice-over): Why is the U.S. border patrol stopping cars near Canada, even detaining American citizens who have committed no crime?
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GORANI: Donald Trump is firing off new tweets today, attacking opponents of his immigration policy and suggesting the public is firmly on his side.
But a new poll shows otherwise. A Quinnipiac survey finds that 58 percent of Americans disapprove of the way Trump is handling immigration. Thirty-
nine percent though approve. People across the country have been protesting the president's immigration policy that's led to asylum seekers
being detained and thousands of families separated. One church is now making its own statement. A detained baby Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Fencing
in statues of them as part of its Every Family is Holy campaign.
[15:40:14] We've been talking a lot about the detentions along the Mexico border. But you may not know that U.S. officials are also setting up
checkpoints near Canada, stopping drivers and demanding to know their nationality. Sometimes deep into U.S. territory. CNN's Martin Savidge
talks to one American citizen who tried to resist.
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SAVIDGE: Driving down I-93 in New Hampshire. About 80 miles from the Canadian border. Justin Summers runs into checkpoint operated by the U.S.
border patrol. He starts recording. The border patrol agent tells him, if he wants to keep driving south, he has to answer a question. Summers tells
me he resented being stopped and interrogated.
SUMMERS: I indicated, hey, I don't want to answer these questions. I'd like to be on my way.
SAVIDGE: That didn't happen.
This is the area of the checkpoint. Justin Summers says when he refused to answer the agent's questions, they detained him and said they would hold
him until he told them what they wanted to hear. In other words, indefinitely.
The message to you is, if you don't answer this question, we're going to hold you on the side of the road here until who knows when.
SUMMERS: Exactly. It's kind of an intimidation tactic, I think.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, I need you to pull over there.
SAVIDGE: A tactic critics say is happening more frequently and far away from the U.S.-Mexico border, which is then at the center of attention when
it comes to immigration.
This is another checkpoint in New Hampshire, Memorial Day weekend. And this was Maine just this month.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you want to continue down the road, yes ma'am, we need to know what citizen -- what country you're a citizen of.
GILLES BISSONNETTE, AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION: Hundreds if not thousands of individuals are being stopped, detained, seized and
interrogated without any reasonable suspicion, without any probable cause that are crimes has been committed and that's really not how our
constitution works.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you had anybody in the trunk?
SAVIDGE: The American Civil Liberties Union calls the checkpoints illegal and blames the Trump administration's zero tolerance immigration policy.
By law, border agents can work up to 100 miles from the entire perimeter of the country.
BISSONNETTE: Two-thirds of the individuals living in the United States actually fall within this hundred-mile region.
DENNIS HARMON, U.S. BORDER PATROL: It gives a chance to see what's going on in our case, what's going on in our area.
SAVIDGE: Sector chief Dennis Harmon says the checkpoints aren't random but based on intelligence. He sees the questioning and detention of Americans
as a minor inconvenience.
HARMON: It's no more of a stop or inconvenience than you have at a traffic light.
SAVIDGE: Traffic light doesn't query me though as to what I'm doing or why.
HARMON: True. But we're not asking what you're doing or why. We're just asking a simple question, are you a citizen of the United States or of what
country you're a citizen or national of.
SAVIDGE: But you will delay my moving forward until I give you some response.
HARMON: Which the courts have affirmed that we're allowed to do.
SAVIDGE: The checkpoint in Maine did apprehended undocumented immigrant, but Harmon couldn't say how many Americans had to be stopped and questioned
to make that happen. Meanwhile, in neighboring New Hampshire, Justin Summers was eventually released and says he'd do it all again. After all,
he lives in a state whose motto is Live Free or Die.
SUMMERS: And I don't want to be a nation of checkpoints. I don't want to be a nation where you have to prove that you have the right to be where you
are doing your daily activities.
SAVIDGE: The U.S. border patrol up here says, for now, the checkpoints are going to continue. The ACLU has some advice if you run across one. As an
American, you don't have to give an answer. But if you don't answer, be aware you'll likely be detained. And even though the law says you can only
be detained briefly. Well, your idea of briefly and the border patrol's idea briefly could be very different.
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GORANI: There you have it. Martin Savidge reporting.
More to come. Including we are in the final minutes of the England- Colombia World Cup game. Both teams fighting for a quarterfinal place. The stakes couldn't be higher. To Bogota and Central London, next.
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[15:45:57] GORANI: Well, we are minutes away from knowing if England or Colombia will make the quarterfinals of the World Cup. The English might
be vastly outnumbered by Colombians at the match in Moscow, but they are beginning to think this could be their year. So, is it hopes dashed or a
place in the last eight? Don Riddell is following the match. I'm sorry, I'm actually taking you away from watching it because I'm actually going to
turn around. There is a monitor here. We're still one-nail England. Just about five minutes plus whatever injury time away from the end of the
match.
DON RIDDELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Donate worry, Hala. I wouldn't have agreed to come and talk to you if I couldn't also see the game out of the
corner of my eye, so I concur. It is one-nail to England with five and a bit minutes left. I can tell you that England fans of my generation know
that watching their team play in the World Cup isn't always the most positive, enjoyable experience. There are a lot of fingernails chewed.
And of course, England don't have a particularly good record. Certainly, when it comes to knockout games in the World Cup. They haven't won one for
12 years.
So the good news for England is that they are winning this game, thanks to a Harry Kane penalty. He has scored now six times in this tournament. It
was his third penalty. And things are looking good -- things are looking good, but it's not been a great game. With the exception of the
France/Denmark, it has been a pretty awful game to watch really. The Colombian players have kind of made it very, very difficult. They've
questioned almost every call from the referee. There's been a lot of pushing, a lot of shoving. I think they feel as though kind of the world
is against them in this game. But England are just about keeping their cool. Their players have been very professional and they're closing in on
what will be their big win for them. If they can hold on here, they'll be in the quarterfinals and they'll face Sweden on Saturday.
GORANI: And they haven't made it to the quarterfinals since what year?
RIDDELL: Twelve years, 12 years. So that was what? 2006. They beat Ecuador in the stage and then got knocked out by Portugal on penalties in
the next game. That was also, of course, a fear of many England fans going into this game, that because it's a knockout game, it is a tie, it could go
to extra time, it could end on penalties and England have an absolutely terrible record when it comes to penalties. So if they could win this one
in normal time, that will allow everyone to have a breather and it'll be a much less stressful evening.
GORANI: All right. Don, thanks very much. And standby. Fans of both teams have taken to the streets of London and Bogota to watch the match.
In a moment, we'll hear from Alessandro Rampietti, he's ion the Colombian capital. But first, let's head to Central London. Mark Bolton has been
watching the game with England fans. We're just a few minutes away from the end. How are they feeling there? Confident or is there still just
some concern that there could be an equalizer?
MARK BOLTON, JOURNALIST: The things you would hear, of course, is football is coming home. We have a few people staggering home through Central
London, let me tell you. There's a heat wave, as you know, in the capital here in the U.K. Well, it's been no wet weather for a while but it's been
raining beer for quite a few hours. We had a few spots before the game. And when England took the lead this lot behind, they poured rain down on
the capital. They went absolutely crazy. And as we said, we're just two or three minutes away from potential England quarterfinal. A first win in
knockout stage in 12 years. Only the second since 1990. England full of optimism. The fans rightly so. Because it's possible England could get to
a World Cup final without beating a single team ranked in FIFA's top 19. That's never been done before. It's possible they could win the World Cup
without beating a team inside the top 16, because they could play Uruguay in the finals and they are ranked 17. Amazing atmosphere. You can see the
beer. I'm amazed, Hala. We managed to drive as long. It's crazy here.
[15:50:01] GORANI: Right. And stand by. Because I want to get to Bogota. So, talk to me Alessandria about the mood there, because we're just a few
minutes away now. What's going on where you are?
ALESSANDRO RAMPIETTI, REPORTER, AL JAZEERA ENGLISH: Well, this is shaking up to be a major disappointment for the thousands of Bogotanas (ph) if you
could hear in Colombia. Despite the rain has come out and filled many of plazas where the city had set up a big screen for them to follow this game.
Everybody here was truly hoping that -- once again, the quarterfinals going so historically four years ago in Brazil in 2014. These are two teams that
have many similar strengths. They are offensive team but quite solid -- people were convinced that they would have made (INAUDIBLE) talking to
people they said it's a major, major disappointment. Remember that many Colombians have traveled to Moscow here in huge numbers. And many of them
(INAUDIBLE) those who couldn't are now in the streets of Bogota, they were hoping that this would be another day (INAUDIBLE) to move forward in this
World Cup and instead I think they are gearing up for major disappoint.
GORANI: Well, if I were a Colombia fan, I don't know. It's 30 seconds away plus whatever injury time is added. Marker, we're getting close.
What about the chances of the team on Saturday? That's also going to be an uphill battle.
BOLTON: We spoke to a couple of Sweden fans. Brave boys coming in here. They've just been behind us over here. They said they fancied England
because they thought England would be more attacking. We've asked Colombia where they could see tonight and they thought they could get behind England
and beat them that way. Fascinating game to come in the quarterfinals. This lot where fans really do fancy themselves as going all the way. The
party is incredible. Given the fact that England never fancy themselves. For the first time in years they haven't been beating themselves up in the
press or expecting anything. This is humility here rather than hubris prior to the World Cup. Hoping optimism rather an expectation and
arrogance. Well, the parties are underway in England have won nothing yet. Who knows what's going to happen in the next couple of weeks. It's about,
what? A couple of minutes to go. I tell you what. Let's get out of way because it'll go crazy in a few moments here if they win.
GORANI: Five minutes added time. So about four and half minutes away and the bare chests have started appearing in the crowd.
Don Riddell, this is looking good for you.
RIDDELL: Don't jinx it, Hala. What are you doing? You live in London. You should know much better than this. Just don't --
GORANI: I would be confident if this were my team.
RIDDELL: Still four minutes to go. You clearly haven't been watching England for long enough. It is looking good right now. It's interesting
hearing what Mark was saying because I couldn't agree with him more. England fans have not been particularly excited about this World Cup. You
know, having really got excited before so many tournaments in the past and then being left so utterly disappointed. I visited London just before the
tournament. I couldn't believe the World Cup is about to start because there were no flags up. There were no displays in shop windows and all of
the things I would have expected in the buildup to a World Cup tournament. There was none of that.
We have a young squad who have really seemed to grow and gained a lot of confidence under their manager, Gareth Southgate who was quite a random
appointment, really taking over sort of a very late notice after (INAUDIBLE) just one game. Colombia has been close there. And it's
something that people didn't think was going to happen. And they've ended up in this position where they had a couple of good results at the start of
the tournament. They've ended up getting into what is perceived, and I think certainly on paper is the easier half of the draw. And now, if they
can get through this game -- and big emphasis on "if" because Colombia have a corner and there are still two minutes to go, they will fancy their
chances of getting to the final because the teams in their half of the draw are really very beatable. And Hala, what did I say? You ruined it.
Colombia just equalized. I knew it was going to happen.
GORANI: Oh, my goodness. They just equalized.
RIDDELL: Yes. So, you know, England fans we've been here before.
GORANI: Bogota. Well, I got to do this, Don. Sorry.
RIDDELL: Please do.
GORANI: Alessandro, talk to me.
[15:55:02] RAMPIETTI: I can't hear you very well -- fans went nuts. We're told they were scored just seconds away from the end of this game.
Colombia is back in it. They are going to have another half hour to continue fighting to win over England and reach the quarterfinals. The
game is not over yet and fans going crazy.
GORANI: This is incredible. Don, you know, I always say this. I'm not a huge football fan when it comes to professional clubs. But when it comes
to the World Cup, this is why I love this sport. Because this is the kind of drama and upset that just nothing compares to it. No other sport
compares to it.
RIDDELL: You know, I would agree with you. And this World Cup has been absolutely amazing. And the narrative of this World Cup has been shocks,
upsets, compelling drama. Late, late goals. I've lost count of the number of times we've seen goals scored in the 90th minute or later. That really
has been the theme of this World Cup. And for neutral supporters, it's been brilliant. It's been absolutely brilliant. I've watched a couple of
penalty shootouts over the weekend. If my team was involved in it, I would have found them absolutely miserable. My team wasn't, so they were
fantastically entertaining. But it's just so difficult when you're watching your team and it's this close. And it's tough. As we say, half
an hour of extra time. Anything can happen. We'll see.
GORANI: And I can go back to Mark Bolton. Mark Bolton in London. I guess what was the reaction there when Colombia got one in there and equalized?
BOILTON: Well they're slightly more muted. They certainly are. But pretty optimistic still, I think. I'm not entirely sure why. Don hit the
nail on the head there. What a wonderful World Cup experience. The irony of course in (INAUDIBLE) scoring, six foot, five inches tall. Great center
pieces. That's Englishman. And yet they've been -- their very own strength has been their weakness ultimately which we could potentially
could happen tonight. This one could go absolutely either way now. And we have to be fair and try to be as objective as we can. England haven't been
great again tonight. They took the lead through a penalty. It was a penalty, yes. And they could have had a red card given against Colombia as
well. So probably on the balance of things right in terms of the justice from the referee. But Harry Kane scored a set piece. England has scored
three penalties in this World Cup. They're not scoring goals from open play. Kane is in great form. He's equaled Gary Lineker's record from
Mexico. Sixth in the tournament. Could go on to be the top scorer in this competition. But again, hasn't been great. And this is the first real
test they've faced. This could go either way, Hala.
GORANI: Mark, I think we're done here with added time in just a few seconds. Mark Bolton, Don Riddell, and Alessandro Rampietti, thanks to all
three of you. We're going leave it here for HALA GORANI TONIGHT. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is next. See you tomorrow.
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