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Joe Biden, Boris Johnson Have First Sit Down Meeting; Military Govt. Charges Aung San Suu Kyi With Corruption; VP Harris Tackles Migrant Crisis On Her First Trip Abroad; Joe Biden and Boris Johnson Hold First Official Meeting; Hackers Target EA For Gaming Source Code; Uganda Struggles To Get Vaccines As Cases Spike; Biden Announces US Is Donating 500 Million Pfizer Vaccines; CNN Speaks To Britain's Prince Edward. Aired 5-6p ET

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HALA GORANI, CNN HOST: It's taking place in Carbis Bay not far from my location. This is a picturesque and rugged County, Cornwall on England

Southwestern tip. In fact, the weather doesn't always cooperate. There was meant to be an event at St. Michael's Mount that was canceled. The so-

called special relationship between the U.K. and the U.S. was on display when the two leaders looked at the Atlantic Charter, signed in 1941, by

Winston Churchill and FDR. And it set out British and American goals for the world after the end of World War II.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. The President brought his son along. We helped him in the course today and then the key advisors, masters, and commanders.


GORANI: Different times obviously at 2021, very different challenges. The world is not at war. So Joe Biden and Boris Johnson have agreed to refresh

the charter to include threats, like disinformation campaigns and malign influence in elections. The two then sat down for formal talks with the

first minute or so open to the press.



JOHNSON: Well, it is a -- what a great, great pleasure, Mr. President, to welcome you to Cornwall.

BIDEN: It is a great pleasure to be here.

JOHNSON: Fantastic to see you, you know, what I think is your -- is your first big overseas trip since you've been --

BIDEN: It is.

JOHNSON: -- since you've been President.

BIDEN: I've visited your great country many times, but this is the first time as President of the United States.

JOHNSON: Well, everybody is --

BIDEN: It's a great honor.

JOHNSON: Everybody is absolutely thrilled to see you. And --

BIDEN: And I'm thrilled to be here. I'm thrilled to meet your wife.

JOHNSON: Yes, well, and they've gone off to do something else.

BIDEN: They did. I told the Prime Minister we have something in common: We both married way above our station.

JOHNSON: And I'm -- and I'm not going to -- I'm not going to -- I'm not going to dissent from that one. I'm not going to disagree with the

President on that or indeed on anything else, I think, either, likely.

Are we -- are we going to -- are we going to have like -- we could just continue --



JOHNSON: I was going to say, we generally agree, Joe. You could probably --




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, do you see it as a test that Vladimir Putin has banned Alexey Navalny's political organization?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you guys. Let's go. Thank you.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let's go. Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will you resume travel --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you guys. Let's go. Thank you.


GORANI: That gives you just a little bit of a taste of what happens when world leaders, when reporters try to shout questions, they didn't answer

any of them. They had plenty to ask as usual before that. We witness the lighthearted moment. You may have heard that Joe Biden joke that both he

and Mr. Johnson married quote, way above our station. The newly married British Prime Minister responded that he wouldn't disagree on that or

anything else. One of the challenges the two have discussed is the global fight against the pandemic, especially the vaccine rollout. Into that

effect, President Biden made a new pledge.


BIDEN: Today, we're taking a major step that will supercharge the global fight against this pandemic. United States will purchase a half a billion

doses of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine to donate to nearly 100 nations that are in dire need in the fight against this pandemic. That's a historic step.


GORANI: Chief international correspondent Clarissa Ward joins me now. What are world leaders? What do they want to hear from Joe Biden after four

years of Donald Trump these G7 leaders in Cornwall?

CLARISSA WARD, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think we can all imagine, Hala, what they want to hear and it's what they've been

hearing so far, which is real affirmation that America is back, that liberal democracies will not be cowed by the rise of authoritarianism. That

multilateralism is back, that international cooperation means something, that the era of America First is firmly in the rearview mirror.

But the reality is, it's going to take more than nice words to really persuade everyone that American can be relied upon in the long term because

as much as the types of things we've heard President Biden saying had been greeted with open arms by many European leaders, particularly there is now

always this anxiety that the pendulum could shift, that we could see the reelection of a very different leader with a very different world vision.

So I think people are looking for comfort and for a sort of sense of purpose moving forward, coming together in these parallel times with all

the various challenges ahead with a real sense of direction and global leadership from the U.S.


GORANI: Yes, and we saw with Donald Trump when he was in the White House in four years, just how easy it is to rollback multilateralism, how easy it is

for the U.S. to disengage from multinational organizations and to essentially threaten a world order that had seemed solid for decades.

WARD: Exactly. And that's -- I don't think you can just erase that magically. I don't think it's enough for President Biden to come on this

trip and just not be Trump, right? There has to be more that's delivered in terms of substance. There has to be more that's delivered in terms of

really giving the broader global community assurance that the G7 means something, that the E.U. means something, that NATO means something that

there is consensus between these different liberal democracies, that they can form a coalition together, that they can stand up to the huge

challenges facing the world in the form of COVID-19.

And also that they can stand up to the challenges posed by rising authoritarianism. And of course, the proof will be in the pudding. When

President Biden sits down next week with Russian President Vladimir Putin, what will that look like, that Summit? What if any tangible results will be

delivered as a result? And what kind of a message perhaps most importantly, will be sent to the world about the role of the G7 and democracies more

broadly speaking?

GORANI: And this new version of the Atlantic Charter, of course, we're not in a world war in the way that we were in the 1940s, thank goodness. But

there is a new front in the Cold War between nations. And that is, of course, happening in cyberspace. And that is something that is addressed in

this new Atlantic Charter.

Speaking of which, the U.S. is pointing the finger a lot at Vladimir Putin's Russia for creating havoc not just interfering in elections, but as

well tolerating and sometimes hosting ransomware attackers that are taking aim at American companies and organization. What will this meeting between

Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin be like, what will it look like? How will it be different from the ones between Putin and Donald Trump?

WARD: I think, you know, there's two different factors. And the question you have to ask yourself is, what's the metric for success coming out of

this Summit? On the one hand, it really just has to look different from Helsinki, right? So President Biden has to show himself to be tough against

President Putin to be pushing him on these issues and to be pushing America's interest with issues like human rights, for example. People

really want to see that kind of strong leadership.

Is this going to be a reset, though, Hala, in the relationship, as we saw, you know, was endeavored in 2009 between Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

and Lavrov at the time? I think there's a broad consensus that that's unlikely. But at the very least, President Biden seems to want to have a

very frank and honest conversation with President Putin, where he lays out very clearly what the U.S.'s issues are with Russia, what the U.S. hopes to

gain from the relationship, and potentially areas where the two countries can cooperate too.

Because as much as President Biden wants to take a tough tone with Russia, he's also made it very clear, he doesn't want to escalate this. He doesn't

want to see out and out conflict with Russia. He wants to get the relationship into a more predictable space, whether or not that's possible

remains to be seen.

GORANI: All right, thank you, Clarissa Ward.

Former U.S. Labor Secretary Robert Reich joins me now. He's the author of more than a dozen books, including "The System: Who Rigged It, How We Fix

It." Thanks for joining us. What do you make of the G7 finance ministers proposal for a minimum corporate tax rate that would prevent if it goes

into effect large multinationals from shifting profits so that they pay a lower tax rate based on where they're headquartered, rather than where they

operate and a minimum tax rate of 15 percent on their global profits? What's your reaction to that proposal?

ROBERT REICH, FORMER U.S. LABOR SECRETARY: Hala, it's a very good and very important beginning. It is very difficult for any nation right now as we

have big global corporations playing countries off against each other, to capture the revenues that are due that nation or even capture any revenues

at all.

So this kind of provision beginning with the G7 has to be the beginning of a really a global agreement on minimum corporate taxes because the biggest

corporations, many of them headquartered in the United States are now global.


GORANI: Yes, so you need though the, you need other countries to buy into this. This is just the G7. They use to represent a much larger share of

world GDP. That share has declined substantially with the superpowers of tomorrow, China and India. They need to buy into this for it to work,


REICH: And not only that, but it is so easy these days for big global companies, again, especially those high technology companies headquartered

in the United States, to basically put their profits almost anywhere around the world, where taxes are the lowest. Because you see, instead of really

trading or selling cars or refrigerators or big products that are easy to see, most of the trade today particularly that goes into these kinds of tax

avoidance strategies, comes out of intellectual property, out of patents, trademarks, trade secrets, things that are very difficult to see.

But that's what high technology is today. And that's why this treaty, again, a very good beginning. It's got to be global. But it's got also got

to pin down precisely what the measures are, of what these intangible properties might be.

GORANI: If they're -- if no such system is put in place, what ends up happening, I mean, in terms of global corporations legally evading the tax

burden that smaller companies have to pay because they don't have the luxury of operating all around the world and shifting their profits from

one place to the other.

REICH: It becomes a race to the bottom, Hala. And we've seen that already. Big companies are getting bigger in the United States and elsewhere. They

are getting bigger in part because they have so many advantages over small companies, and not the least they have advantages of maneuverability of

moving from nation to nation playing nations off against each other, but also having armies platoons of lobbyists being able to not exactly let's

not use the word bribe or corruption, let's use a gentler term, use influence against legislators and lawmakers in the United States and

everywhere around the world.

GORANI: Do you think there is political will to make these companies pay a fairer share to make these companies carry a fairer share of the tax,

corporate tax burden?

REICH: Oh, well, that's the -- that's the big question. That's the billion, billion, billion dollar question. I think there is political will among

most of the G7. And but what -- if we get to some of the tax avoidance countries, like for example, Ireland, where a lot of companies park their

money because taxes are very low. Ireland might stand to lose from this. And so it's not clear that all countries are going to go along. You need

the G7 in order to twist the arms of some of these places where money has been sheltered.

GORANI: I want to talk to you about this ProPublica article, a new tweet and on your social media, put out a lot of analysis and, you know, on how

you believe that there needs to be a wealth tax, not just income tax, not just tax on capital gains. And I'm sure you saw the result of this

ProPublica investigation based on leaked tax records that Jeff Bezos, one of the richest men on the planet, paid in one tax year less than 1 percent

of his income, Michael Bloomberg, 1.3 percent, Elon Musk, 3.27 percent. It's all completely legal. Do you consider this to be a broken system? And

if so, how would you fix it?

REICH: Well, the real scandal is that it is legal. And we don't have a wealth tax. Most of these, most of the wealth in the country accumulated

over the last 15 to 20 years has been accumulated at the top. And even during the pandemic billionaires in the United States saw their wealth

increased by over 40 percent while everybody else was struggling. So the with a wealth gap, and both the income gap and wealth gap are wider than

ever in the United States.

And so you need to have a change in tax laws, change in tax laws that focuses not so much on labor and taxing labor, but actually on taxing

wealth. And whether that's directly a wealth tax or whether we have, Joe Biden, President Biden has a proposal that raises the capital gains rate,

particularly with regard to assets of the very, very wealthy, the super wealthy as they move from generation to generation. This is terribly

important. If we don't do something like this, we're going to have an aristocracy in the United States comprised of a few families that basically

own almost everything.


GORANI: And circling back to the G7, I'm sure you're following this Summit. What would you like to hear from world leaders in order for wealth to be

more fairly distributed, access to vaccines, a fairer corporate tax rate, which we just discussed, what will you be looking out for?

REICH: Well, the key to all of this, Hala, is democracy. And Joe Biden, President Biden has made very clear that he sees the future to be a

contrast between democracy and authoritarianism. If democracy is working in the United States, it means that Joe Biden has got to confront the efforts

to suppress votes going on right now at the state level, in a 14 separate states, they are all passing laws that are going to make it very, very

difficult for many people to vote, particularly for the young people and black people and Latinx people.

But also, we've got to control what might be called not just the white supremacists, but the wealth supremacists. That is, as we were just talking

about, these wealthy individuals and big corporations, they have platoons, legions of lobbyists, and they pay huge amounts in campaign contributions.

Those also have to be constrained at home, if democracy is going to mean anything in the United States.

So basically, the challenge for Joe Biden is to convince other nations that American democracy is indeed a model for the future. It's not

authoritarianism. It's not China. It's not Russia. American democracy can be vital and can work.

GORANI: OK. And we know China and Russia and there'll be that meeting between Biden and Putin next week. All of that will be on the agenda. As

always, a pleasure speaking to this evening, Robert Reich. Thank you so much for joining us on CNN.

REICH: Thank you, Hala.

GORANI: A lot more to come tonight. Thank you. A new investigation leads to a new charge for Myanmar's deposed civilian leader, Aung San Suu Kyi. How

her attorneys are responding to the latest accusations?

And then many don't want to leave but they're willing to risk their lives to escape a desperate situation back home. We'll look at the root causes of

mass migration to the United States in a special report just ahead.



GORANI: Myanmar's military government has formally charged to depose civilian leader, Aung San Suu Kyi with corruption. She's accused of

illegally accepting cash and gold and bribes, charges her supporters called politically motivated. Paula Hancocks is in Seoul.

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is just the latest in a string of charges against the former leader of Myanmar, Aung San Suu Kyi, by the

military Junta who overthrew the democratically elected government in February of this year.

Now, according to the Junta-led media, global new light of Myanmar, they say that she has been charged under the anticorruption law saying that she

had misused her authority on renting land and building to open the Daw Khin Kyi Foundation headquarters, some group that she was Chairperson of.

And also said that she had illegally accepted $600,000 in gold from the former Yangon Region Chief Minister, there were also three other

individuals charged alongside her. Now this has been very swiftly rejected by Aung San Suu Kyi's lawyer saying that the accusations against her are

absurd and groundless saying that in his long career within the legal system, and also as a human rights -- in the human rights arena, he said

that he has never found a state's person that is less corruptible than Aung San Suu Kyi saying alongside her many supporters that these charges we have

been seeing over recent months are trumped up and that they are politically charged.

So at this point, we know that she is still under house arrest. We know that she will have a number of different cases continuing against her.

There's also a case that she violated the Official Secrets Act even one that she illegally possessed walkie-talkies. So it shows that what the

military Junta is doing is increasing the amount of charges against her knowing that that will keep her behind closed doors for far longer. And the

chances of her being able to come back and run an election against the military Junta, which they claim that they will hold a free and fair

election which nobody believes will be free and fair.

But the longer that they can keep her behind closed doors, the less likelihood that they will have any challenges if an election were to even

take place. Aung San Suu Kyi still in enjoys remarkable support from within the country.

Paula Hancocks, CNN, Seoul.

GORANI: They're calling it a dictatorship, the Organization of American states. Among those condemning the arrest of seven opposition leaders in

Nicaragua, slamming what they are calling the dictatorship of Daniel Ortega. The longtime president is accused of trying to sideline his

political opponents on trumped up charges. Four of those arrested and detained had announced plans to challenge him in the November elections.

U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris visited Central America this week on a mission to stem or to try to stem mass migration. At one point she bluntly

told potential asylum seekers do not come to the United States. But many of those who make the dangerous trek northward feel they simply have no other

choice. Matt Rivers explains from Honduras.


MATT RIVERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Twins 17 year olds Gerardo (ph) and Salin (ph) were born and raised in Choloma, Honduras in a gang run

neighborhood in one of the most dangerous countries in the world. They live in abject poverty. But for the boys its home, and they'll miss it because

they're about to leave for the United States.

At the bedroom, they share they show us their new prized possessions, the brand new shoes they'll use to make the minimum 1,500 mile journey to the

U.S. mostly on foot.


RIVERS (on camera): So they're planning on leaving like the 17th or the 20th of this month with these clothes here that they're going to bring with


(voice-over): Gerardo (ph) says it feels terrible because we're going to leave my mother but we have no future here. They'll join the tens of

thousands of other Hondurans who streamed into the U.S. this year, leaving behind one of the poorest countries on Earth. Northward migration isn't

new, but the conditions forcing people to flee arguably have never been worse.

Starting with twin category four hurricanes that made landfall late last year just two weeks apart, utterly decimating this region, people lost

everything. And half a year later, hardly anything is back to normal.


We meet a family who built a makeshift shelter on top of their old home after it was subsumed by mud during hurricane flooding.

We lost everything, says this man. I want to leave because I can't find a job. There's no support from the government. And just up the street. We

meet another family, another home wiped out during the storm.


RIVERS (voice-over): Water leaks right through the walls of their shelter made of old doors and tarps.

(on camera): They sleep on mattresses that are on a dirt floor in a house made out of makeshift supplies.

(voice-over): We're desperate he tells us. We don't have a choice, saying he'll soon be forced to migrate north too.

(on camera): It's hard to believe that more than six months after this hurricane, authorities have done so little here to try and help people

clean up. I mean, look at this. What used to be a house, it got completely filled up with mud during the hurricane. And now obviously the family that

lived here can't come back.

(voice-over): In response the government told CNN, they have been making repairs giving us this video some of their work. They said repairs like

this take time and that back to back hurricanes would be difficult for any country to deal with. Critics though from citizens to NGOs say their

efforts haven't been nearly enough. And making the recovery worse, all this damage came during a different kind of storm, the pandemic.

A government mandated shutdown and COVID-19 restrictions meant unemployment soared. And around half of Hondurans now live below the poverty line says

the World Bank. All those are some of the so called root causes of migration. Vice President Kamala Harris is focusing on during her trip this

week to Central America.

Across the region, people leave for all kinds of reasons, government corruption, everywhere. There's a food shortage in Guatemala, chronic

violence in El Salvador, and government repression in Nicaragua just to name a few. And in Honduras, it's often a lack of opportunity.

If they had more opportunities, people wouldn't have to leave this country says this local priest. And that's just it. So many people we spoke to like

the twin brothers don't want to leave. But with no work and just a sixth grade education, they say they don't have any other choice. Their mom

though, doesn't want them to go. Crying, she says, what can you do? It hurts that your children leave, you don't know if they will return or not.

But there's no other option.

For now, they'll take the time they have with each other because in a few days, the boys will likely end up here, a bus station where every night a

bus leaves for the Guatemala border. From there, many make a reluctant walk north, this family of four plans to do just that.

We can't take it anymore, this dad says, saying there's no jobs or good education for his kids. We've got no other option but to leave. And so if

there's one thing we've learned on this trip all politics aside, if you want less migrants to come to the U.S., there has to be reasons for them to


Matt Rivers, CNN, San Pedro Sula, Honduras.


GORANI: Still ahead tonight, a closer look at Joe Biden's meeting with a British Prime Minister. Our chief White House correspondent breaks down

what happened and what is to come in Cornwall, we'll be right back.



GORANI: Back now to our top story this hour, the leaders of the US and UK have agreed to cooperate on a host of issues during their first official

talks. It's their first in person meeting by the way, Joe Biden and Boris Johnson met here in Cornwall, on the eve of the G7 Summit. It starts

tomorrow in earnest. They announced they were revitalizing the Atlantic Charter which their country's first declared during World War II. And they

pledged to address mutual challenges from the pandemic to growing security threats.

Well, we heard from the British Prime Minister and here's what Boris Johnson said about his meeting with the US President, and what it's like to

work with the new administration.


BORIS JOHNSON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: The talks were great. They went on for a long time. We covered a huge range of subjects. And it's wonderful to

listen to the Biden administration and to Jill Biden because on -- there so much that they want to do together with us, from security, NATO, to climate

change, and it's fantastic. It's a breath of fresh air. A lot of things they want to do together.


GORANI: Well, the first lady Jill Biden has been enjoying Cornwall. She tweeted a photo of her, Boris Johnson's wife Carrie, and the Johnson's son

Wilfred walking along the beach. The first lady said, "The special relationship continues."

Our Chief White House Correspondent Kaitlan Collins joins us here in Cornwall. So it's just it's a very different atmosphere. It's a very

friendly sort of atmosphere between the leaders, very different from when Donald Trump used to join these international summits.

KAITLAN COLLINS, CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: It's so different. And it's notable to just see the way that you're already seeing leaders react

to President Biden and have this breath of fresh air as Prime Minister Boris Johnson called it earlier, which really did surprise me given, of

course, the relationship that he had with former President Trump. But clearly he is talking about the way that Biden is much more willing to work

with other NATO allies. He is much more willing to have these conversations that are these typical diplomatic conversations you would have at a G7

summit, instead of being upgraded by Trump, which was often the case when he sat down with these world leaders. Even when it was someone he liked,

like Boris Johnson.

And so, I think that is the change that you're seeing. And that's what a lot of world leaders wanted to see, because they've been reeling for the

last four years. I think the big question, of course, is going to be how long does it last? Because what Donald Trump's election and his presidency

showed them is that, look how quickly all of this can change. And you could have Biden today but in four years, you could have another president who

does have that populist strain that Trump had. So it is a very interesting experiment to watch.

GORANI: We've been covering the G7 from the perspective of countries hosting the President, what would the President, President Biden, like to

achieve with this trip, this meeting and then going on to NATO and his bilateral with President Putin?

COLLINS: I think his most important message is that he's not Donald Trump, and he wants to communicate that he does believe in alliances. He does

believe that they make the world stronger. I think he really showcased that saying that it's critical. He views his mission this week as essential and

restoring those allies.

And not just in the sense that, well, I'm not Trump, it's also in the sense of democracy versus an autocracy. And he says he does believe that they

have to be united in order to put on a strong front for a Russia, for a China, for (inaudible) these autocracies that they want to have a united

front. And that was often the argument when Trump did attack these organizations, was that it emboldens Russia, it emboldened sees other

countries these other adversaries. And so, I think that's part of it.


But I do think they have disagreements still. I think you saw that today. When it came to the Northern Ireland, you saw Johnson saying, no, we do

agree on this. China is another subject where they don't see eye to eye and see what Biden sees in that. And so, I do think there are still

differences. They're just not as obvious as they were previously.

GORANI: Certainly the tone is different. I understand we're just learning that the Duchess of Cambridge will be meeting the US First Lady Jill Biden.

I understand on Friday, my producer could confirm that.

COLLINS: Yes, that is right.

GORANI: All right. And it's interesting also because Joe Biden, the US president, will be meeting the Queen.

COLLINS: Yes. So a lot of royal family interactions happening here, Jill Biden will be with Kate Middleton. And we're also told that on Sunday,

you're going to see President Biden meeting with the Queen. We believe it's the first time they've ever met. We don't think that they've met before. Of

course, he is fiercely proud of his Irish heritage, but it is notable to see them coming together.

That was a trip that Trump had as well visiting the Queen. He brought essentially his entire family during that visit. But you will see that

interaction on Sunday here. Her first visit, of course, since Prince Philip passed.

GORANI: Absolutely. I was actually surprised to hear that Joe Biden and Boris Johnson had never met in person.


GORANI: They've been in public life for decades and decades, I thought at some function at some point, but no.

COLLINS: And given how you've heard so much about the experience that Biden is bringing here, he's dealt with a lot of these world leaders. They're

also leaders he hasn't dealt with and that are new faces to him. And he's actually been pretty critical of Johnson in the past and of Brexit, and

saying he was a lot like Donald Trump. And so, it is fascinating their first time meeting.

But you saw in front of the cameras, they tried to put on that warm diplomatic front that you often see --

GORANI: Lots of little jokes.


GORANI: Yes. It was interesting to watch the body language. Kaitlan Collins, thank you so much for joining us for joining us.

This just in, we are learning that the UK is pledging to donate 100 million coronavirus vaccine doses within the next year, including 5 million in the

coming weeks. The announcement from the Prime Minister comes just ahead of the G7 Summit and just after President Biden's own vowed to donate half a

billion doses of the Pfizer vaccine globally. Summit world leaders are expected to announce that they'll provide at least a billion Coronavirus

vaccine doses to the world through dose sharing and financing.

A major hack at one of the world's biggest video game publishers Electronic Arts, known as EA, tells CNN hackers stole source code used in the

company's game. In online forum posts, hackers claimed to have taken 780 gigabytes of data, including software development tools. The company says

player data was not compromised at that the hack was not a ransomware attack.

All right, a quick break. When we come back, Uganda is in the middle of fighting off a deadly surge in coronavirus cases. We'll hear from health

officials there who say the world has not done enough to prevent the crisis. We have a report from Uganda coming up.



GORANI: Welcome back. Oh jeez, it is drizzling here in Cornwall, the weather is not cooperating. We're having to sometimes keep our hair in

check. So apologies for being caught out doing that.

All right, let's talk a little bit more about what's going on here at the G7 in Cornwall. President Biden's pledged to donate half a billion Pfizer

COVID-19 vaccines around the world cannot come fast enough for many countries. Uganda is fighting off a brutal second wave. And it's warning

that it's close to running out of vaccines completely. Our Larry Meadows takes a closer look from Kampala.


LARRY MADOWO, CORRESPONDENT: Kampala's main stadium, now a temporary hospital for COVID patients. The Ugandan government says this makeshift

treatment center is only for mild to moderate cases. But CNN witnessed a body being carted away. Last week, the World Health Organization says cases

here were up 137 percent, the second straight week of triple digit spike in infections.

Across town, 40 year old Stephen Ntambi was finally well enough to be taken off a ventilator just hours before we arrived.

STEPHEN NTAMBI, COVID-19 PATIENT: Now that I have a second chance, people shouldn't pay with their lives recklessly when it comes to COVID. The way I

feel now I feel like God has given me a thousand more years.

MADOWO: It's all hands on deck at this hospital. The ICU has been overcapacity for the last two weeks, even after adding 50 percent more

beds. They keep turning away new patients who need critical care.


MADOWO: The calls keep coming. How many similar calls have you heard today?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know, about 15 calls just this morning.

MADOWO: Every patient in this wing of the small private hospital is on life support. It's also taking a strain on the staff, some of whom have had to

do 24 hour shifts because the need is far greater than the medical professionals available.

The average age of the patient is 40, doctors tell us. The youngest was only 18.

DR. ERASMUS EREBU OKELLO, TMR INTERNATIONAL HOSPITAL: UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why exactly are we seeing young people? One is that, for sure, it is a more

aggressive strain. But the other thing also could be that, after the first wave, we might have gotten quite excited enough to slacken on our

preventive measures.

MADOWO: It's a crisis that could have been avoided says Uganda's top health official.

DIANA ATWINE, PERMANENT SECRETARY, UGANDA MINISTRY OF HEALTH: If we've got this vaccine at the end of last wave, our community would be much better

than what we're experiencing now.

MADOWO: Considering you have only vaccinated 2 percent of the Ugandan population, when will you have enough people vaccinated that life can

return to normal here?

ATWINE: I cannot answer that because I'm not in charge of -- I cannot access the vaccines. If I could access the vaccines, even tomorrow I would

conduct a national wide campaign and vaccinate.

MADOWO: With almost all Uganda's unvaccinated, the government warns that each positive person could infect between 80 to 100 people. Uganda has

strict social distancing guidelines, but it's business as usual here in downtown Kampala. People have to be here to make a living. It's impossible

to work from home.

But they may have little choice for the next six weeks as Uganda is now in partial lockdown again. Larry Madowo, CNN, Kampala.


GORANI: Earlier, I spoke to the COVAX vaccine lead for UNICEF, Lily Caprini, I asked her whether the US pledged to donate 500 million vaccine

doses would be enough to start fighting this pandemic worldwide.


LILY CAPRINI, COVAX VACCINES LEAD, UNICEF: We're going to need all of the G7 wealthiest countries to step up and do the same if we're going to have a

chance of protecting vulnerable groups in all of the countries in the world. And we can't afford not to do it. We've just heard you know these

hotspots and surges that are happening. Our worst fears coming true if we leave lower income countries unprotected without that insurance policy of



And every time that happens, there's a risk of new variants emerging that put everybody at risk. We can't afford as a global community to let this

keep on happening.

GORANI: And I guess it's important to explain to richer countries and people who've been vaccinated twice who might think this isn't my problem,

why it's important for the whole world to be vaccinated if you have to explain it, how would you do it?

CAPRINI: If you're lucky enough to be in a country like the United States or, right now I'm in London, it's a great relief that our loved ones have

been vaccinated. And we start to feel like life is getting back to normal. But we must realize that's just not the case in so many parts of the world.

There are hotspots in South Asia. We're seeing surges in Brazil, surges in Africa as you just reported. And when I see that, I worry about my loved

ones because that puts my family at risk as well.

This is a global pandemic. We can't get out of it by vaccinating one country successfully. Every time someone transmits the virus to someone

else, it has a chance to mutate and grow stronger and potentially evade vaccines. That's dangerous for absolutely everyone wherever you are in the


So it's in our own interests. This is not just an act of charity or a nice thing to do. It's a smart thing to do. We need it for everyone's safety.

GORANI: That's such an important message to underscore. Now, one of the issues with some of the developing nations is distribution. I mean, the

Democratic Republic of Congo, for instance, a few weeks ago returned over a million doses to COVAX, saying they would not be able to roll these -- to

go through with that particular roll up before the dose is expired. How do you overcome that?

CAPRINI: That is a very important issue too. And the reason UNICEF is involved in COVAX in the first place in rolling out vaccines is that in

pre-pandemic times, we were already the world's biggest vaccinator delivering childhood immunizations. And so, we know what it takes to get

the vaccines off the tarmac and actually into arms. And it's a big logistical challenge, especially when you're delivering to war zones or

urban slums or remote Pacific Islands, you know, really tough places to get to. And it does require its own dedicated funding.

And there is a big risk that if we don't match the vaccines with the funding to roll them out, not only could they go to waste. The other risk

is that countries might end up having to kind of take that money out of their existing healthcare systems, which could have a knock on effect on

other parts of health, on children's health, on the midwives that safely deliver babies, all of those essential services that need to carry on

running at the same time as the vaccines being rolled out.

So, we're doing lots to help countries prepare investing in things like the cold chain so that you can keep refrigerating the vaccines wherever you're

taking them. But it's true to say that the poorest countries that have got quite fragile healthcare systems do need more support to make sure they can

roll the vaccines out.


GORANI: Well, still to come. A CNN sit down with Prince Edward what he says about the Royal rift with Prince Harry and Meghan, and how the Queen is

doing after a very difficult year.



GORANI: On what would have been the 100th birthday of Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, his youngest son, is speaking on his father's legacy.

Prince Edward sat down with CNN's Max Foster, and shared how the Queen is doing after a very difficult inside year for her.


MAX FOXTER, CORRESPONDENT: Your highness, thank you very much for speaking to us. It's a very poignant time, of course. But I know that you want to

focus on celebrating your father's life at this point.

PRINCE EDWARD, DUKE OF EDINBURGH: Indeed. I mean, absolutely. And not just such a broad life, but a life that was involved in so many different

interests. And he traveled so much to the world and saw so much. And not only that, but he was the sort of person that once met, never forgotten.

FOSTER: It would have been your father's 100th birthday, how do you think he looked back on his public work?

PRINCE EDWARD: He was always, always incredibly self-effacing, wasn't mad at him. It was about other people. He just gave them the nudge,

encouragement and an offer ago. And tragically, it wasn't until he passed away that I really went, wow, that's what he did. And, of course, it's too

late, you never find out.

But then I suspect that if he had made it to his 100th birthday, that a lot of that would have come out. And it would have been lovely for him to have

heard it himself. But then again, because he was just so self-effacing, he just wouldn't have wanted the fast and the bother. And I don't think he

ever really necessarily wanted to reach his because, essentially, because I just think he thought they've just been too much for us. And that wasn't

him, that was just not him at all.

FOSTER: You're very focused on the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme, which many people may think of as an outward bound scheme. But actually, it's

more than that, isn't it? It's almost a motivational, self-confidence exercise.

PRINCE EDWARD: Well, it's a framework. It's a framework of activities. It was to encourage young people and adults to get involved in non-formal

activities or agile classroom learning. And of course, it empowered both adults and young people to take control of their destinies. And it doesn't

matter where in the world, that young person or that adult is. It's the same. And hence the reason why I think it's spread to 130 countries. And

it's doing particularly well in the States. It was a bit of a late start of that but it's brilliant.

And what's really exciting about what's going on in the states is that, nearly 50 percent of the young people involved are from what we would call

at risk or marginalized young people and disadvantaged young people, which is brilliant, because those young people that can really benefit from this.

FOSTER: We should also talk about his other role, which a bigger role, arguably is his role as consort, probably the biggest influence on arguably

one of the greatest reigns in British history away from the Queen. Can I ask how she's coping without him?

PRINCE EDWARD: Well, thank you for asking. And I think actually doing remarkably well. But then I think that, yes, it was a fantastic

partnership. But over the last couple of weeks, life has got considerably busier, things are beginning to open up. There are more activities. So,

sort of weirdly, that sort of fills any particular void.

I think there are going to be other times further on the year where I think that it will become a bit more poignant and a bit harder. But at the

moment, thank you very much indeed for asking, but I think everybody's in pretty good shape really.

FOSTER: I don't want to pry too much in private matters but this is a private matter, which is also very public, which you'll be aware of. But

that's must have been the family rift is undeniably there. That must have been very difficult for her too. How she coping with that, can I ask?

PRINCE EDWARD: Well, it all depends on -- are you euphemistically referring to Harry and Meghan, are you?

FOSTER: Yes. Yes. I mean, yes. The divide between the Sussexes and the rest of the family currently.

PRINCE EDWARD: Yes. I mean, it's very sad. And we've all been there before. We've all had excessive intrusion and attention in our lives. And we've all

dealt with it in slightly different ways. And, listen, we wish them the very best of luck. It's a really hard decision.

Fantastic news about the baby, that's great. I hope they'll be very happy with that. And it's just families to families, aren't they really?


FOSTER: They are. I think you're right, they do happen in all families. It's just the very public nature of this. And I wondered how difficult that

had been for her.

PRINCE EDWARD: It's difficult for everyone. It's difficult for everyone. But that's, as I said, that's families for you.

FOSTER: We talked about how she just carries on in this remarkable way, and it's very inspiring way. And President of United States currently in the

United Kingdom, and the Queen is longest serving head of state in the world. She's met so many presidents, as I've said, and so many heads of

state around the world. I mean, I wonder what -- it must be an opportunity also for those heads of state to speak to someone who's been there, done

that, and had that experience as well.

PRINCE EDWARD: When you meet somebody who's at that level of personal experience and knowledge, it's, I mean, sometimes it's certainly, sort of,

it can solve it overall, some people, you know. And I think most people can wait wishing that they'd had a little bit longer. That's usually that's

usually the response. Just so would have liked to had it a little bit longer, because that was fascinating.

FOSTER: And they will stay private, these conversations, don't they?


FOSTER: So that's, it's almost like a very high level of counseling in many ways. And prime ministers have spoken about that.

PRINCE EDWARD: And it's very, very important. The fact that they all stay private is something that is a bit strange in this in this world, you know,

you expect to communicate to appear almost instantly or press conference. The fact that nothing like that happens, does mean that actually people

really do respect the fact that this is a genuinely private off the record conversation. So they really can talk about things and get to the heart of

things in a very genuine fashion, because they know it's not going to come out.

FOSTER: Let slip to you in any way, gracious Mandela?

PRINCE EDWARD: Of course not, Of course not.

FOSTER: So you won't hear anything about the meeting?

PRINCE EDWARD: Well, even if I did, I forgotten about it the next day.

FOSTER: Thank you very much for speaking to me.

PRINCE EDWARD: Pleasure. Thank you for your interest.


GORANI: All right. Well, there you have it. Thanks for watching tonight. Just a reminder, we are in Cornwall, the G7 summit starts in earnest

tomorrow. This is after a meeting today between the US President Joe Biden and the UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Tomorrow, of course, there will be

a lot to talk about for the leaders of France, for the leaders of Germany, Japan as well, all the G7 meetings and the invited world leaders as well.

And we'll be covering it all for you starting tomorrow and into the weekend.

Thanks for watching. I'm Hala Gorani, much more to come after a quick break.