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What We Know with Max Foster
L.A. Braces For Sixth Day Of Protests Against ICE Raids; Protests Against Trump's ICE Raids Escalate Across U.S.; Brian Wilson Of The Beach Boys Dead At 82; Austrian Police Seek Answers After Deadly School Shooting; Dozens Killed Near Distribution Sites In Gaza; Trump To New York Post: "I Have No Hard Feelings"; Hegseth: National Guard Troops Could Be Sent To Other States. Aired 3-4p ET
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MAX FOSTER, CNN HOST: Protests against immigration raids spread across the United States while fear spreads in migrant communities.
This is WHAT WE KNOW.
In the fight over immigration raids in the U.S., the Trump administration is digging in, while protesters are vowing to push back. Police in Los
Angeles say more than 200 people were arrested during protests and rallies on Tuesday into Wednesday, most of them for violating a curfew that was in
place overnight.
President Trump and California state officials are at odds over his decision to send National Guard troops and Marines to L.A.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What you're witnessing in California is a full blown assault on peace, on public order. We will
liberate Los Angeles and make it free, clean and safe again. It's happening very quickly.
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FOSTER: The city's mayor calling for an end to the raids.
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MAYOR KAREN BASS (D), LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA: Maybe we are part of a national experiment to determine how far the federal government can go in
reaching in and taking over power from a governor, power from a local jurisdiction, and frankly, leaving our city and our citizens, our residents
in fear.
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FOSTER: Protests and rallies are now spreading from coast to coast over the president's hardline immigration crackdown. There were tense
confrontations in other major cities like Chicago, Atlanta, Denver, San Francisco, in New York. A law enforcement source tells CNN at least 45
people were arrested on Tuesday after demonstrators clashed with police near an ICE office and immigration court.
Straight to L.A., CNN's security correspondent Josh Campbell.
What's the intel here that all of these protests are linked together? They're all triggered by what happened in L.A.?
JOSH CAMPBELL, CNN SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Well, there are certain indications that there have been inspired by the recent protests against
Trump's immigration policies. It does -- we don't know right now that they're actually coordinated, that there are people that are in
communication, you know, talking about the times that they're going to go out the locations and the dates and kind of coordinating across the
country. But we're certainly seeing more protests now after the initial protests that we saw here in Los Angeles.
And you know, what is interesting is that a lot of this I'm heard -- I'm hearing from people on the ground in L.A., law enforcement sources, they
think that it's only being exacerbated by the deployment of U.S. military forces here. And we're seeing in those other protests around the country,
they don't want troops going to their cities. Although the Trump administration said that right now everything is on the table as these
immigration raids continue.
And then the last thing I'll mention, Max, is that we got some aerial footage of the Marines here around Los Angeles, essentially practicing for
how to how to interact and respond to detain citizens and to conduct self defense. They haven't -- we haven't seen them on the streets yet, but they
are at a nearby military base. We saw them practicing.
But the larger point there is that military officials tell us that they haven't been certified yet. I mean, these aren't soldiers that are used to
crowd control and the like, unlike law enforcement. And that's what has so many people here concerned. If something does become hostile, you have
military troops who aren't trained, then they're interacting with citizens.
FOSTER: Yeah. I'm just wondering as well, Josh, how would it normally be coordinated? Would the police take command of the National Guard and the
Marines? I mean, what sort of systems are in place for that if they're all activated?
CAMPBELL: Well, that's a central issue here, is that it doesn't appear to be coordinated in any type of unified way. We know that the police are
working alongside state officers and other agencies from around the area, have been working together very closely to try to quell some of the
violence that we've seen at some of these protests, particularly in the evening hours. That started off very rocky. But as the days went on, we see
this more methodical approach by law enforcement.
But it's still unclear if you have U.S. Marines here on the streets of Los Angeles protecting federal buildings and interacting, you know, with the
citizenry. We don't know if there's some central command and control. And I think the larger issue there is, because we have a state governor here
who's essentially sparring with the president. So, you can only imagine how that kind of trickles down, that kind of sense of instability in the ranks,
if you will, particularly when it comes to leadership.
That's why we've heard the Los Angeles police department chief come out very quickly and say that maximum communication is needed by the U.S.
military. He doesn't want anything to go wrong in these crowds. The police here don't actually know what the so-called rules of engagement are of the
military, when they can actually use force.
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And so what he's saying is that if there isn't better coordination, if the police here don't know exactly what the military is doing, that could be a
recipe for disaster.
FOSTER: Yeah, it could make it really difficult, couldn't it? Josh, thank you.
Workplace raids by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement or ICE are being reported across the U.S. Californias governor says migrant
communities are living in fear.
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GOV. GAVIN NEWSOM (D), CALIFORNIA: We're seeing unmarked cars, unmarked cars in school parking lots, kids afraid of attending their own graduation.
Trump is pulling a military dragnet all across Los Angeles, well beyond his stated intent to just go after violent and serious criminals. His agents
are arresting dishwashers, gardeners, day laborers and seamstresses.
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FOSTER: Raids are also being reported at farms, factories, not just in California, but also in places such as Nebraska.
Joining us is CNN's Gustavo Valdes in Atlanta, where protests have also been popping up. And obviously, you know, the protests initially have been
peaceful. Then other groups have got involved and they become violent, haven't they?
But Donald Trump's making the point that they're not working. He's ramping up the raids, isn't he? So there's two dynamics playing here against each
other.
GUSTAVO VALDES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There is, there are. And one is the initial actions and now, the ongoing threat of more actions.
And now that we're seeing the response to the protests, the fear in the community is greater here on the Buford Highway corridor, which is a long
stretch of highway in the metropolitan area where migrants from Latin America and Asia live and work. The fear is you can feel the fear. Last
night the protests were peaceful across the street. At some point, they escalated. People attacked police vehicles. Six people were arrested
because they damaged three police vehicles.
But today, I've been surveying the businesses in the area, how they feel, and something interesting happened in this Chinese restaurant. When I
approached the gentleman at the counter just to ask him if they have seen a decrease in customers because of the immigration enforcement. As soon as I
said immigration, it seemed like he didn't speak English very well. He his face changed and he excused himself and went to the back. I hope I didn't
scare him. He understands that we're just doing the survey.
And this salon also, the workers here have told me that even before the protest, they've seen a decrease in customers. Yes, it is the middle of the
afternoon. There are a lot of empty chairs, but they said that regularly, they would be having people in and out. But now it has slowed down
significantly.
Jackie here tells me that not only the clients but the workers are afraid.
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VALDES: How is the community feeling?
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VALDES: She said they're very afraid.
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VALDES: She said, typically at this time, there would be people already here. Getting a haircut. Is there also fear from the workers, do you think?
Are you seeing that fewer people are also going to work because they're afraid?
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VALDES: She said that usually, they would have had up to 50 or 60 people at this time of day. They've only had half of those on a day like today.
And something else that I've noticed, the taxi services that are popular in this area because many migrants, sometimes they fear driving themselves
without a license. They could be stopped. And we've seen how people get arrested and eventually deported. Typically, when there's a situation like
what we've seen recently, the taxi services also see an increase in customers.
They say even them are seeing a huge decrease in demand. They're saying that people are just afraid to go out and they're just going out when they
need to shop something they really need.
FOSTER: Gustavo, really appreciate that insight into how people are feeling there and how its changed things, the atmosphere. Gustavo, thank
you.
Now, other news that we've had this evening -- music legend Brian Wilson, the driving force behind the Beach Boys, has died. He was 82. His family
announced his death on his website, writing: We are at a loss for words right now.
Wilson created some of rock music's most enduring songs, including "Good Vibrations" and "God Only Knows".
CNN's Stephanie Elam looks back at his life and his legacy.
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STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He was the mastermind behind the Beach Boys' chart-topping success. Brian Wilson was one of the
most influential composers in modern music.
The Beach Boys joyful pop emerged at the vanguard of the California sound in the early `60s. It was Wilson's creative genius that layered the band's
five distinct voices into one perfect harmony.
BRIAN WILSON, BEACH BOYS COFOUNDER: I would just describe it as ethereal and masculine, masculine and feminine put together.
ELAM: Wilson and the other beach boys rode their signature sound wave through a string of hits, "Surfin' USA", "I Get Around", "Fun, Fun, Fun,"
and "Help Me Rhonda".
By the mid-sixties, Wilson experimented with new music and with drugs. He said an LSD experience helped him write the Beach Boys' 1966 magnum opus,
"Pet Sounds".
"Pet Sounds" is widely considered one of the greatest albums of all time.
During its studio sessions, the Beach Boys recorded "Good Vibrations", later released as a single, it became one of the most influential tracks in
rock history.
WILSON: The night we cut the vocals at RCA was one of the highlights of my life, teaching the guys to parts and, you know, it was just a departure
from anything we'd ever, ever done before. It was probably our masterpiece.
ELAM: For seven months, Wilson experimented with multiple layers of track, echoes and reverb, using the studio as his instrument. "Good Vibrations"
produced at a cost of more than $400,000 in todays dollars, was dubbed a pocket symphony.
But the drug-fueled creative blaze came at a cost, Wilson said he began hearing voices around the time he used LSD. By the `70s, his life had
spiraled into an abyss of drug abuse, depression and seclusion. He disappeared from public view and fell under the sway of discredited
psychologist Eugene Landy.
The 2015 biopic "Love and Mercy" dramatized Wilson's decline, his struggles with Landy, and his redemption with the help of second wife Melinda. Wilson
returned to the studio in the late `80s.
He released over a dozen solo albums in the decades that followed. In 2012, he joined the Beach Boys for their 50-year reunion tour. Four years later,
they toured again to commemorate 50 years since "Pet Sounds" released.
Brian Wilson, a musical master who faced personal discord and wrote enduring harmonies.
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FOSTER: Brian Wilson.
Police in Austria are seeking answers following one of the worst shootings in the country's history. Mourners have been gathering throughout the day
to remember the victims of Tuesday's attack, which left nine students and a teacher dead in a high school in Graz in Southern Austria.
Fred Pleitgen is there.
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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The pain and the agony still is very real and very deep here in Graz after that school
shooting that took place, leaving several dead, you can see here in the city center, there's still a lot of people who are coming out and lighting
candles, also laying flowers. And, you know, the people that we've been seeing, many of them are just standing in silence, taking a moment. But
others certainly also have tears in their eyes. And the police have now come out as far as their investigation is concerned, and talked a little
bit more about the victims of the shooting. They say that nine students were killed in this between the ages of 14 and 17, and that also later a
female teacher also succumbed to her wounds as well.
One thing that might be a little bit of good news is the fact the police is saying that no one of the injured people, the wounded people, are in any
danger for their lives anymore. Theres apparently one person with facial wounds that will require more surgery, but at the same time, they say that
those people are at least out of life's danger. As far as the shooter himself is concerned. The police also saying the investigation there is
ongoing. They've already talked a lot about the weapons that were used, but they also say that they found what appeared to be farewell messages as
well.
Here's what a police spokesman told me.
SABRI YORGUN, POLICE SPOKESMAN: We are able to start the investigation immediately after the killing spree. In the meantime, we have also carried
out a house search at the home address of the 21-year-old suspect from the district of Graz and the surrounding area, and have been able to establish
that there was a suicide note, both in digital form, via video message and in handwritten form.
We were also able to find and secure a pipe bomb or be at a nonfunctioning pipe bomb at his home.
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PLEITGEN: The police obviously saying that they conducted extensive searches at the property where the shooter lived. At the same time, one
thing that remains a mystery to them that's not clear, is the motive in all of this. It's something the authorities say is being investigated. As far
as the community here is concerned.
What we're hearing from folks here is that obviously right now, for them, the pain is very real. The pain is very bad. But they say the fact that so
many people are coming out voicing their support, also supporting those who were affected, shows that this community here is strong and will remain
resilient.
Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Graz, Austria.
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FOSTER: Hungry Palestinians once again met with warfare whilst trying to get food. Hospital officials say dozens of Palestinians, including
children, were killed as they tried to reach a distribution sites in northern Gaza. Israel says they warn people not to approach the aid
distribution sites during a certain time, describing the areas as an active war zone.
Joining me from Jerusalem with more is CNN's Oren Liebermann.
Obviously, they're dealing with starving people. So, you know, it's the way these messages are being received, which is part of the problem. I guess.
OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN JERUSALEM BUREAU CHIEF: And, Max, we are beginning to see a pattern here. Certainly, we have seen over the course of the past few
weeks as these new aid sites from the controversial Gaza Humanitarian Foundation have opened.
This morning, we're looking at two different incidents on either end of the Netzarim Corridor in central or northern Gaza. That is a quarter that is
under the control of the Israeli military. Theres an aid distribution site from the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation on essentially the eastern end of
that. And it is at near this site that the Al-Awda Hospital officials say that seven Palestinians were killed and nearly 100 wounded when they tried
to approach the site.
The Israeli military says they fired warning shots toward suspects that soldiers at a military position viewed as a threat. But this is the pattern
we have seen play out so many times. The moment there is an indication that any of these sites may be open. There is a flood of Palestinians who
approach the site desperate to get their hands on the little aid that is distributed from the trickle of aid that has entered Gaza over the course
of the past several weeks.
We have seen videos, the moment they opened the gates to these sites, Palestinians and families rushed to get their hands on, on one of the boxes
that's being handed out. But even before those sites are open, many Palestinians are approaching them, trying to get at the aid and get closer
to the site. And this is the scenario in which the shootings happen and which in which Palestinians have been killed and wounded trying to get
their hands on aid.
The Israeli military has warned Palestinians not to approach after 6:00 p.m. and until 8:00 a.m. in the morning local time, but as you can see, the
families here are so hungry and desperate to get food that they approach anyway.
Quickly, the second incident that were looking at this morning is on the coastal road near the Nabulsi roundabout, which is a major crossing point
not only for aid, but there's also an Israeli military presence there. It is here that Palestinian health officials from Shifa Hospital say 24
Palestinians were killed and dozens more wounded. Eyewitnesses say it's when they came under fire from Israeli forces at or near the scene. Israel,
for its part, says it's not aware of a shooting during daytime, but it's looking into the reports -- Max.
FOSTER: Okay, Oren, thank you so much for the update.
President Trump says he's now less confident about striking nuclear deal with Iran. He told the Pod Force One podcast he believes Iran has
purposefully been delaying an agreement. Iran wants to continue enriching uranium. President Trump has repeated that the U.S. would not allow Tehran
to develop nuclear bombs, which rely on enriching uranium to high levels.
Russia said today that it's ready to remove highly enriched uranium from Iran. A new round of talks is set to happen in a few days. There's been a
split verdict in the sex crimes retrial of former movie mogul Harvey Weinstein in New York. The majority female jury convicted Weinstein of
forcibly subjecting a person to a criminal sexual act in 2006. However, the jurors acquitted Weinstein of another sex act charge. The jury is still not
reached a verdict on a third one.
From friends to online adversaries to friends again, the Donald Trump and Elon Musk feud could soon be coming to an end. We'll explain just ahead.
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FOSTER: Elon Musk appears to be giving an olive branch to Donald Trump. According to the White House, Musk called the U.S. president on Monday, and
on X, the tech billionaire deleted some of his attacks on Trump, including his accusation that the president is in the Epstein files.
This week, Mr. Trump told "The New York Post" that he is open to forgiving his former close ally for attacking the budget bill.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have no hard feelings. I was -- I was really surprised that that happened. He went after a bill
that's phenomenal. It's the best thing we've ever signed in this country. I was disappointed in him, but, you know, it is what it is that happens.
Things like that happen. I don't blame him for anything. It's -- I was a little disappointed.
INTERVIEWER: Could you reconcile? Could you reconcile with him, do you think? Could you forgive him?
TRUMP: I guess I could, but, you know, we have to straighten out the country.
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FOSTER: So, what we want to know is who won the online feud between Donald Trump and Elon Musk. Joining me now is Goeff Beattie, professor of
psychology at Edge Hill University.
I bet you've been fascinated, haven't you, by all of this? I guess, first of all, we should ask you, do you think it is over now?
GEOFF BEATTIE, PROFESSOR OF PSYCHOLOGY, EDGE HILL UNIVERSITY: I think we've all been fascinated by this. I think it's -- we all become
psychologists at times like this, watching the spectacle in front of us. I'm not sure it is all over now, because I think Musk's apology -- I mean,
the point about apology is they have to be heartfelt and they have to have a number of core components.
And I think that was missing some of them. He said he was sorry for some of the some of the tweets, but just some that they went too far. And I think
you're looking for a bit more than that. You're looking for someone trying to repair the relationship, someone taking full responsibility, someone
saying it won't happen again. There was none of that. So, it was kind of an apology, but not, in my view, totally heartfelt. And you can hear Trump's
response to it. I mean, he doesn't sound as if he's totally accepting of what he received there.
FOSTER: But we did have this standoff, didn't we, where Donald Trump was saying he's not going to approach Elon Musk, but he expected Musk to come
to him. It was interesting to see. Trump -- Musk rather say he regretted some of the posts, as you say.
And then we find out that they spoke a couple of, you know, spoke the day before effectively.
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So that came after they spoke. Does that suggest to you that Trump basically gave him some sort of ultimatum to say he had to, you know,
apologize effectively before they could fix things?
BEATTIE: I assume so, and I assume that he wanted something public because, of course, the point about this situation is you have two alpha
males, two absolute top dogs trying to cooperate together. And of course, there can only be one person dominant.
And in terms of the relationship, I've been fascinated all the way along about the way they position themselves in order to be seen as the one who's
in charge. So, for these two individuals, how they project to the public is absolutely critical. And you can see that getting some kind of apology out
of Musk would be absolutely the first step.
But what's really interesting is trying to understand the psychology behind what unraveled in the first place. And the point about both individuals is
a very high on narcissism. And of course, narcissists are very, very sensitive to any apparent slights. So, you can imagine some kind of
reaction to some of the things that's been going on. And obviously there's been a lot of speculation about what was the immediate trigger for the
meltdown.
But you can see that that's been a critical aspect. And of course, what Musk was doing was trying to elevate himself as unfettered with any kind of
connections, innovative or radical, risk-taker, and at the same time diminishing Trump's standing through those initial kind of attacks on him.
And of course, in the U.K., we've seen something similar when we had Dominic Cummings, the special adviser to the prime minister, turning on
him, and that was an extraordinary time.
And the point about this, these kind of vengeful streaks is they are driven by emotions. Musk said he was disgusted by the bill. You know, powerful,
you know, survival mechanism. You're rejecting everything. And of course, when you're when you feel slighted by someone, admiration can quickly turn
into contempt.
And you can see there was a kind of contemptuous tone to a lot of what Musk was saying and interesting in terms of the psychology of relationships.
Contempt is the single best predictor of a breakdown in the relationship. So it's a very emotional breakdown and whether it's going to be repaired by
what we've seen so far publicly from Musk remains to be seen.
I mean, I assume he must have said much more in private, but the relationship still seems to me to be kind of on this kind of knife edge,
both of them jockeying for positions.
FOSTER: I know we're just going on what they're saying in public, which is a really good point.
Jeff, thank you so much for your insights.
This just in to CNN, the U.S. State Department is preparing to order the departure of nonessential personnel from the U.S. embassy in Iraq. A source
says it's due to increase security risks in the region. Sources say departure of the non-essential personnel will also be ordered for the U.S.
consulate in Erbil in Iraqi Kurdistan.
The reason for the heightened security concerns isn't clear at this point, but we'll bring it to you when we have a better idea of that.
Still to come, Marines are on standby near Los Angeles as protesters come out against ICE raids, and it's spreading across the U.S. as well. We'll
discuss what it means.
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FOSTER: Now, U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth says National Guard troops could be sent to more states in response to immigration protests.
Hegseth told members of Congress the order to deploy troops to California could serve as a playbook of sorts that may be used in other U.S. states.
Meanwhile, Attorney General Pam Bondi says more than 190 undocumented immigrants have been arrested in Los Angeles as raids continue across the
country, and she's promising more arrests to come if necessary.
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PAM BONDI, ATTORNEY GENERAL: Right now, in California, we're at a good point. We're not -- we're not scared to go further. We're not frightened to
do something else if we need to.
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FOSTER: Well, the roughly 700 active duty Marines President Trump is sending to Los Angeles a training right now, and it's not clear when
they'll actually be deployed to the streets. That's according to a military official.
Marines in desert uniforms were seen practicing. As you can see, grappling takedowns and detentions near L.A. on Tuesday, a federal judge denied
Californias request to immediately block the White House from deploying troops, setting a hearing for Thursday. The Marines and National Guard
troops can legally protect federal property and personnel, and they are limited in their ability, though, to detain people.
That could change if President Trump invokes the Insurrection Act. When asked what the Marines would do in Los Angeles. Here's how the city's mayor
responded.
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MAYOR KAREN BASS (D), LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA: People have asked me, what are the Marines going to do when they get here? That's a good question. I
have no idea.
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FOSTER: So, what we want to know is what might the Marines do in Los Angeles?
Let's bring in CNN national security correspondent Natasha Bertrand.
You know, the mayor doesn't know what they're going to do. They don't actually have authority to carry out any enforcement powers. So, it's a
good question, isn't it?
NATASHA BERTRAND, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. They're really just going to serve if they're ever actually called into the streets
of Los Angeles. We should note that they're not actually there yet, but they are supposed to serve as a force multiplier, a force to try to protect
ICE agents as they carry out operations there, as well as to bolster the National Guard units that are on the ground that eventually need to be
rotated in and out.
So, basically, just another option that the city and the and the federal government can use to bolster the, you know, enforcement support that is on
the ground there. But they haven't even been called in yet, and it's been three days since they were actually given orders to deploy to Los Angeles.
They have not yet been told to actually hit the streets and start helping control these protests.
And that is one big reason why you're seeing them continuing to train. As you can see on the screen there, we caught these images yesterday and into
today. That shows them training to put people in headlocks training to throw people on the ground, essentially training to detain people within
the, you know, capacity of -- within the limits of their capacity as troops, as active duty troops, because, again, they are not authorized to
make arrests of individuals. They are only authorized to detain them temporarily if all other de-escalation techniques fail.
So ultimately, they are not going to be carrying out any kind of law enforcement function. They are essentially going to be there just in case
things go extremely wrong. But again, the city of Los Angeles has not requested them, not even U.S. Northern Command, which is responsible for
overseeing the National Guard troops who are in the city right now, as well as ultimately, those Marines. When they do come in, they have not asked for
them to come in either.
So, it seems as though right now, given the scale of the protests and given the fact that it seems the LAPD can control what is going on on the ground
now that the Marines could be waiting quite a bit longer to actually be called in.
FOSTER: Yeah, they got to set up the coordination systems as well, haven't they? Some confusion about that.
Natasha, thank you so much.
As the unrest in L.A. continues, workplace raids by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement are being reported across the U.S. They are happening
in places like Nebraska and throughout California. The ICE raids are being reported at both farms and food factories, with predominantly immigrant
workers.
Joining us is Claudia Canizares. She's an immigration attorney in Miami.
Thanks for joining us. I mean, what are you hearing from immigrant communities across the nation now?
CLAUDIA CANIZARES, IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY: Honestly, among the immigrant communities and the attorneys as well, we have a lot of concern. First of
all, people that were following the steps that are necessary to get the case in order, whether it's through applying through asylum or adjustment,
they're being detained in court. And this is something that worries all of us. But we're also seeing is that people that should not have been
detained, or let's say that you that you're in a house and they're looking for somebody else, but then they detain everybody in the house. That is
also happening.
And then I also see an overall concern that people don't want to go to their appointments, whether it is an appointment with USCIS for something
as simple as doing their fingerprints or people that need to go to court, and if they don't go, they're going to get a removal order.
FOSTER: Yeah, we're hearing from a hairdressers in Atlanta how clients aren't going into the hairdressers because they're worried about a raid on
it. So, it's been really disruptive.
What about this idea that some Trump officials have suggested that there should be a target about the number of arrests every day? What did you make
of that?
CANIZARES: There is a target, actually. They have an internal target of detaining 1,500 people every single day. And obviously, that target can
only be achieved if they arrest people that do not have a criminal record. And but the target has been set and it's been there since early when
President Trump came into his presidency and it was not being met.
So, they were faced probably with more pressure to meet their target. And now they're finding these tactics of detaining people in the court to meet
their target, which is fundamentally unfair.
FOSTER: Not strictly a legal question, but the Trump administration are doing everything they can to show they won't be beaten. So, they are
increasing the raids in response to the protests. Is there a feeling that the protests are backfiring on immigrant communities?
CANIZARES: I think some people do feel that the protests are backfiring in immigrant communities. Obviously, we want the immigrants to be able to be
heard and be seen, but we don't want them to be seen as people who are breaking the law. So, the protests need to be peaceful and they need to be
in order.
The minute that they break the order and that they become violent, they're not, then our voices are not going to be heard. Then we're going to become
the people that are being violent, and therefore, we should be removed from this country. So definitely, I support that we have to protest, but we need
to do it in a peaceful manner, and we need to keep that peace.
FOSTER: Yeah, absolutely.
Claudia Canizares, thank you.
Now, the world's most popular TikTok personality has left the U.S. after being detained by immigration officers. ICE agents took Khaby Lame into
custody in Las Vegas for allegedly overstaying his visa. But ICE says the Senegalese Italian influencer was allowed to leave the country without a
deportation order. The 25-year-old has more than 162 million followers on TikTok alone.
Still to come, we are remembering Brian Wilson, co-founder of the Beach Boys. We'll look back at the musicians storied career, some particular
songs that stand out to a professor of music.
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FOSTER: Music visionary Brian Wilson passing away at the age of 82. His family announced his death on his website just a short while ago. The Beach
Boys co-founder created some of rock music's greatest hits, including "Good Vibrations", "California Girls" and other summertime songs. Particularly,
his career was marked by a decades long battle between his musical genius, drug abuse and mental health issues.
For more insight, let's bring in lifelong fan as well as forensic musicologist Joe Bennett. He's a professor at Berklee College of Music,
joins us from Boston.
We need to start with one of the big hits, don't we? Let's listen to "Surfin' USA".
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FOSTER: So Wilson was the writer of all these songs, wasn't he? That was in the early `60s, a whole run of pieces of music. I think on their website
they talk about selling 100 million records like that.
They're so familiar, Joe, but just explain why they were special at the time.
JOE BENNETT, PROFESSOR, BERKLEE COLLEGE OF MUSIC: Well, the Beach Boys kind of came in during the explosion of interest in the -- in the surf fad
that came around in 1962, '63, artists like Dick Dale and the Ventures and others who were into that surf sound.
And Chuck Berry fans might recognize a little bit of that riff that we just heard from "Surfin' USA". In fact, there was a little bit of legal battles
between Chuck Berry and the Beach Boys because of that similarity.
But very quickly they sort of outgrew that surf sound. And Wilson really sort of spread his wings as a songwriter and began to innovate with what
could be done in songwriting almost immediately.
FOSTER: And it was amazing the rate at hits, he wrote. Let's listen to one that came the following year, "Get Around".
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FOSTER: Are you analyzing detail forensically? These pieces of music? What was the secret to their success, do you think?
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BENNETT: I actually teach a whole class at Berklee about that particular track, because there's so much in I get around. What was innovative about
it was -- well, Brian Wilson was a lot more harmonically literate than a lot of his peers as a songwriter, by which I mean he knew more chords.
So, a lot of the time he would just put chord changes in that no one else sort of knew about or would dare do. And that's one way in which he sort of
stretched what could be achieved within songwriting at the time. And he also messed around really quite early on with song form, that is, sections
in a Brian Wilson song didn't need to be just four bars or eight bars, or have even the predictable melodic sections.
So, he was sort of innovating as soon as he had the opportunity. And of course, in terms of musical time, that coincided with the explosion of new
studio technology that became available kind of from the mid `60s onwards.
FOSTER: You're the expert here, but I've just been reading today and one of the greatest or what's widely regarded as one of the greatest pop songs
ever written, is this next one written by or co-written by Wilson, at least.
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FOSTER: Do you agree or just explain what's so special about it?
BENNETT: It's absolutely extraordinary for -- especially for its time, no one was being that daring in what could be achieved again with the chords.
So, the section that you played just there was obviously the main title hook. God only knows what I'd be without you.
And I'll grab a guitar to demonstrate that that particular hook just comes across from the three main chords. God only knows what I'd be without you.
But then we have this weird riff, and then a key change right at the start of the verse, and were into a key, and these minor changes, alternate base
notes, alternate base note again, diminished chord, back where we were.
And so, you got all these changes that were really unexpected for the time, and no one was doing that in mainstream pop at the time.
FOSTER: Because people often say, you know, these are basic songs because they sound simple, but what you're saying is they were incredibly complex
in their simplicity.
BENNETT: Yeah, I think the reason people think they sound simple is because they're really hooky, you know? Everyone can sing God only knows
what I'd be without you, it's a really simple, melodic hook.
But that's really just on the surface and, of course, you have that Beach Boys sort of signature harmony and a whole lot of double tracked vocals
that give it a certain, a certain sound that we associate with the Beach Boys, but kind of under the under the hood, as the Americans would say,
there's a whole lot more going on in terms of song craft. And I think that's why today, so many songwriters cite him as an influence, because he
was breaking boundaries, certainly by the mid `60s.
FOSTER: I mean, you teach a class there, don't you? On one song from the Beach Boys. Do your students see it? Are they still being inspired by those
innovations that he introduced to the world in the `60s?
BENNETT: Well, a lot of my students really love chords, so they get super excited about the about the changes that are in there. But even there, I
sometimes have to sort of nudge them a little to listen past this sort of `60s production techniques and the reverbs and the vocal techniques to
really hear what's going on in song craft terms.
And, and I think once you do that, like I say, under the hood, there's a whole lot more going on.
FOSTER: Joe Bennett, really appreciate you having on the show. Thank you so much for joining us.
BENNETT: Pleasure to be here.
FOSTER: Yeah.
Now, it could be a golf fairy tale. A dentist played his way into this week's U.S. Open. Find out how he's feeling before teeing off alongside the
best golfers in the world.
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FOSTER: It's dream come true for a dentist and amateur golfer in Indiana. Matt Vogt has earned a spot in the U.S. Open, and he's back at the course.
That's just half an hour from where he grew up.
Here's Vogt in his own words.
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MATT VOGT, 34-YEAR-OLD DENTIST MAKING U.S. OPEN DEBUT: I hope to inspire others, to let them know that it's never too late or there's no reason you
can't pursue your dreams at any point in your life, or try to try to do something that other people might think is foolish or a waste of your time.
If you want to do something and it's important to you, you can do it like you honestly can.
I've always been a math and science geek, so even in high school I said, well, let's just go major in biology and let's try to be a dentist. And
I've had a little bit more time to do things like this and try to pursue maybe my regrets of not giving golf a try in the past. Obviously, still be
an amateur and still be seeing patients the week after the open, no matter what happens.
But when you're working in in dentistry, like some days are hard, some days you've got to figure out how to work through problems or you know how to
how to take a patient who's anxious or not able to, you know, it's difficult for them, like you're problem solving constantly. There is a
little bit of a comparison to being out here, like you hit it in this rough and the pins are right there, like, okay, what's the next step? You know?
And then there's good days and bad days in the office and on the golf course for sure.
From end of high school to like college and then maybe a little bit into grad school. It's just, you know, I drive through and park down there on
the other side of the range and walk up to the caddy shack right here, and then walk up to the to the porch.
It was incredible. I -- obviously, there's a bunch of incredible members here. You're on, you know, one of the best golf courses in the world. And
there's just a lot of the caddies. You know, I felt very supported here as a caddie.
I hope to represent a lot of different groups of people this week. You know, Pittsburgh, Oakmont, the dentists of the world, make my patients
proud. I feel honored to be carrying that torch this week.
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FOSTER: Great story.
The strawberry moon shone brightly overnight. If you didn't know, it was the lowest full moon visible from the northern hemisphere in decades due to
a phenomenon called major lunar standstill, which makes it look like the moon has stopped changing direction. The strawberry orb doesn't really look
like a berry. It's got a moniker from indigenous tribes who were inspired by sweet berries. Now you know.
And finally, from the strawberry moon to the rare elf like creatures known as Labubu, I hope I said it right. It is the plush toy created by Hong Kong
designer Kasing Lung, a first generation figurine just sold for $150,000 USD in Beijing at an auction for the toys that have taken the world by
storm. They're pretty cool, actually.
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The one you see here is mint green with a gremlin-like appearance. I didn't need to tell you that, but I did anyway. Like other Labubus, it has pointy
ears and a mischievous grin with sharp teeth. They're currently the trendiest plush toys on the planet, even causing brawls between some fans.
So, we do bring you the right information on this show.
I'm Max Foster. That is WHAT WE KNOW.
Stay with me for "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS", which is up next.
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