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Famed Conservationist Jane Goodall Dies At Age 91; Israeli Navy Asks Flotilla To Change Course; Official Says Hamas "Carefully Reviewing" Trump's Proposal; Republicans and Democrats Blame Each Other For U.S. Government Shutdown; E.U. Leaders Meet In Denmark To Discuss Ukraine, Defense; Indonesian Officials Say Time Running Out To Find Survivors; ADP: U.S. Economy Loses 32K Private Sector Jobs In September. Aired 3-4p ET

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MAX FOSTER, CNN HOST: The scientific world mourning a legend.

This is WHAT WE KNOW.

Famed conservationist Jane Goodall has died at the age of 91.

Goodall was the world's leading expert on chimpanzees. She spent more than six decades studying the primates, and the news was confirmed on her

official Instagram a short time ago, saying, quote, "Dr. Goodall's discoveries as an ethologist, as a revolutionized scientist, she was a

tireless advocate for the protection and restoration of our natural world."

Goodall was a campaigner until the very end. Her institute says she passed away of natural causes whilst on a speaking tour of the United States.

In 2020, Goodall told CNN's Becky Anderson how each one of us can make a difference to our environment.

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JANE GOODALL, FAMED CONSERVATIONIST: We're going through very dark times -- socially, politically and especially environmentally, and lots of people

are kind of losing hope because you get this message -- think globally, act locally. But if you think globally, you get really depressed. So, the

message is about acting locally. And the main message is that each one of us makes some impact on the planet every single day.

BECKY ANDERSON, CNN ANCHOR: What do you think the single biggest threat to the environment is today?

GOODALL: People say it's the climate crisis, which is true, but that's because of so many things impinging, like our industrial agriculture, our

reliance on fossil fuels. And, you know, this intensive animal farming that creates all this methane, to all these greenhouse gases, the destruction of

the forests, apparently the equivalent of a football pitch amount of forest every minute around the world.

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FOSTER: Joining me now, Ron Magill, communications director at Zoo Miami in Florida.

Our thoughts with the whole sector. I mean, it's such a vast sector she worked in, wasn't it? She started off studying chimpanzees.

But if you could talk about that period before the climate change period, she did something remarkable, didn't she? Rather than giving them numbers,

she gave them names. So that was very different. And then we started seeing chimpanzees in a very different light.

RON MAGILL, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, ZOO MIAMI: Absolutely. She defied the trend of scientists. At the time, they were saying, don't name animals.

They're not anybody's pets. And, you know, you're giving them human emotions. You're being anthropomorphic.

And to her credit, she said, no, I'm not being anthropomorphic. I'm being real. This is what I've seen.

You know, she would tell stories in a way that connected, especially children. You know, she started this remarkable program called Roots and

Shoots, where she empowered children to do things to help with conservation. It's the way she told those stories, you know, you never

heard her yell. You never heard her get really excited, except if she was trying to imitate the pant-hoot of a chimpanzee.

But she had this wonderful, calming voice, this wonderful way of delivering a story that engaged you. There's an old saying that says, in the end, you

protect what you love. You love what you understand, and you understand what you're taught.

Jane Goodall had a way of teaching people everyday people without using numbers and statistics and all these, you know, gloom and doom things, but

empowering them to understand that they can make a difference. I -- you know, I met her on several occasions, and I remember looking at audience

cry.

She would tell a story of a chimpanzee that lost his mother and then it died. And she said verbatim, she said that chimpanzee died of a broken

heart. That made some scientists cringe, but it made the world realize animals are very much like us. They deserve our kindness and our kind

respect.

FOSTER: Yeah, so we realized that we weren't as different to the animal world as we had done before she did this work. As you say, it wasn't just

the scientific work, it was the media work, too.

MAGILL: She understood that. She understood -- she was the ultimate communicator, the ultimate ambassador for wildlife. Understanding that,

listen, you can preach to the choir all you want, but unless we get these people who live alongside this wildlife to care about it, you're never

going to make any significant advances in conservation.

She was the artist, the best at doing that, at getting communities to understand local communities, the value of the natural treasures that

surround them and the value of protecting the next generations.

FOSTER: So, she obviously became very connected to chimpanzees, but then she realized, didn't she? After decades of living in the jungle,

effectively, that she needed to leave to protect them because she saw the habitats being destroyed.

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So, she -- that's when she moved on to the conservation work and then spoke to climate change, which was extraordinary. So, she ended up having this

one simple idea, which turned into a huge, impactful idea.

MAGILL: She did. She understood the value of, you know, using the chimpanzee, sort of like an umbrella species that to protect the

chimpanzee, we had to protect these forests, to protect the forest. You're protecting all these other animals that are all connected.

She made people realize that you may never go to Africa to see a chimpanzee. You may never go to the rainforest to see a jaguar. But we are

all connected by protecting these things. We're protecting ourselves.

She made people understand and kind of a selfish way that if you want, if you care about yourself, if you care about the future of your children, you

need to care about the -- you know, the lifestyle of these animals.

FOSTER: Okay, Ron, we really appreciate your time today. It's a real shock to the whole world. And she was known everywhere, wasn't it? Which is

extraordinary as well. Thanks for that.

MAGILL: It is a shock, but at the end of the day, it is a life well-lived.

FOSTER: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Now, moving on. As the Trump White House and the Israeli government await a response from Hamas, the Israeli navy says it's telling an international

flotilla that's trying to deliver aid to Gaza to change course. These are pictures shared from the flotilla's live stream.

Volunteers say Israeli vessels have been intimidating their boats as they get closer to the shattered enclave. Israel says it has informed the

flotilla that it's approaching an active combat zone and violating a lawful naval blockade.

Joining me now, the Mexican filmmaker Carlos Perez Osorio, who is on board one of the ships.

Thank you for joining us.

We understand interceptions are taking place. I mean, what can you see?

CARLOS PEREZ OSORIO, GLOBAL SUMUD FLOTILLA: Yes. Thank you for having me. Interceptions are in place. I think -- I mean, the communications are

jammed, but we can say that Alma and Sirius have been taken. We lost -- we lost communications with them, and we can see the -- you know, ships, you

know, surrounding us. And it's just about time that they seize every boat.

FOSTER: What messages are you getting from the Israelis?

OSORIO: Well, they jammed the radio signal, and they were saying that we are -- if we continue, we are a threat to the Israeli citizens and that

were passing a combat area. And so, but I think our -- the leader of the mission, one of the leaders, Thiago Avila, was very clear that we're not

breaking any laws. We're passing.

FOSTER: But as you say, as they say, you are heading towards a combat zone. So how far are you going to go?

OSORIO: Okay. And they have no, no business, you know, intercepting us in international waters.

FOSTER: But they are going to intercept you, aren't they? The closer you get. I mean, how concerned are you about them intercepting you?

Seem to be losing the connection here. Okay, Carlos, we're going to come back to you, but, that is obviously a very active situation out there.

We'll bring you updates as we get them from the Israeli side as well.

Now, with the Trump administrations peace plan hanging in the balance, we are seeing an escalation in the war on the ground in Gaza. Health officials

say more than 50 Palestinians were killed throughout Gaza over the past 24 hours alone.

And as the IDF tightens its encirclement of Gaza City, the Israeli defense minister has issued a final warning for all remaining residents to leave

immediately. We've been hearing from displaced Palestinians about the peace plan announced this week.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We heard it and we hope from God it will be implemented. Weve heard many promises before. As people, we are exhausted. All we want

is to solve the issue and also to preserve our dignity. God willing, it will be implemented, and God willing, everyone will feel calm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Honestly, the speech was bad. But we are for a ceasefire and for ending the war so that people can live. We are living through a

genocide. For me personally, I lost all my brothers. I just came from northern Gaza. All my brothers were killed and my wife and children. I've

been wounded by the war.

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FOSTER: Meanwhile, the Red Cross now says its suspending operations in the famine-stricken city.

Earlier, CNN spoke to UNICEF's James Elder. He's backing Gaza and he told us about the dire conditions there.

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JAMES ELDER, GLOBAL SPOKESPERSON, UNICEF: Those who do have tents, they've seen several seasons, so they're ripped. Some people's tents are ripped

because there's been airstrikes nearby. And of course, shrapnel rips through those. I've also been with families in the hospital whereby I've

seen children who are paralyzed from airstrikes, from shrapnel, who have got those burns, who have got amputations.

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So, there's a desperation in terms of where people can go. And you're right, on the -- on the front of winter, doctors are concerned around

viruses starting early.

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FOSTER: Well, it's a tense waiting game now as Hamas decides what it wants to say about the Trump administration's peace plan for Gaza. The militant

group is coming under pressure from various Arab countries and Hamas negotiators say they will give a response after they've consulted with

other Palestinian factions.

The negotiators met in Qatar where they met with Qatari and Egyptian Turkish officials on Tuesday night to discuss the peace proposal. We're

hearing that from an official familiar with those talks.

Let's get more now from CNN's Jeremy Diamond.

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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Well, Hamas negotiators sat down Tuesday night with top officials from Qatar, Egypt and Turkey to go

over President Trump's 20-point plan to end the war in Gaza. According to an official familiar with these talks, Hamas is now, quote, "carefully

reviewing" this proposal and consulting with other Palestinian factions. They are expected to prepare and then submit their response to this 20-

point proposal.

This comes after President Trump said that Hamas has about three to four days to respond to this proposal, and there's no question that a lot of

pressure is being brought to bear on Hamas to accept this 20-point plan, or at least respond positively and with reasonable counterproposals.

You know, I spoke with a source familiar and involved with this U.S. plan who said that the United States is willing to engage in reasonable

negotiations with Hamas, willing to accept reasonable counterproposals from Hamas. But this source said that the United States will not engage in what

they described as lengthy, protracted negotiations. One example I was given is that the United States is willing to negotiate over how exactly Hamas's

disarmament. Gaza's demilitarization will actually take place, but not over whether or not that is going to happen.

And this is where we are already seeing how difficult and contentious these negotiations may very well be. Hamas has said that disarming is a red line

for them. They have refused it when it's been raised in the past. Israel, of course, has said that it will not end the war unless Hamas is disarmed

and Gaza completely demilitarized.

There are a series of other issues here that Hamas is also likely going to want to negotiate. But this source involved in the U.S. plan told me that

the message that is being sent right now is that the region and that the United States and Israel are moving on, with or without Hamas, and that's

because we saw that in this 20-point plan from the United States.

There are provisions for what happens if Hamas rejects this proposal, that Israel would be able to continue with its military operations, but

ultimately gradually transfer over territory to this international security force that will be established as part of a transitional authority in the

Gaza Strip. But there are still a lot of questions to be answered about that as well.

This 20-point plan is quite light on the details of the implementation of a lot of this, so there's no question that there are a lot of negotiations, a

lot of discussions that still need to happen before any of this can have a chance of becoming a reality.

Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Tel Aviv.

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FOSTER: A bitter partisan divide as Democrats and Republicans digging in for what could be a lengthy shutdown of the U.S. federal government. Both

parties blaming each other for the stalemate, which may soon impact economies around the world. The main sticking point is over health care.

Republicans are rejecting Democratic calls to extend Obamacare subsidies and want to pass a stopgap measure to keep the government funded for the

next seven weeks.

The Trump administration, describing layoffs for federal government workers as imminent. The White House budget director told House Republicans today

that some workers can expect to be fired within the next couple of days. U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance says government layoffs may be unavoidable.

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J.D. VANCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There are critical things that need to be saved. We're going to do everything that we can over the

coming weeks. If the shutdown lasts that long, to ensure that people get the essential services that they need, despite the fact that Chuck Schumer

has shut down the federal government.

It's not going to be perfect because we are in a government shutdown. We are going to have to lay some people off if the shutdown continues. We

don't like that. We don't necessarily want to do it, but were going to do what we have to, to keep the American people's essential services

continuing to run.

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FOSTER: Straight to Capitol Hill, CNN's Arlette Saenz.

He also said that there were some Republicans -- Democrats, I'm sorry, starting to crack, but that's not the Democrat view.

ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No, that is not. And right now, really, Republicans and Democrats are digging in on their positions. What Vice

President J.D. Vance was referencing there were the three senators who caucused with the Democrats, who voted in support of this GOP plan

yesterday. And they did so again today.

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But that number has not increased in any way. Republicans still believe that the way out of this shutdown is for Democrats to get on board with

that seven-week stopgap funding bill. They held a vote on it today. It failed once again. And now, the senators are actually heading home for the

Jewish holy day of Yom Kippur. They will not be back here on Capitol Hill until Friday, meaning that the government will remain shut down until at

least Friday, but possibly much longer, unless lawmakers are actually able to come to some type of agreement.

Now, there was a sign that bipartisan group of lawmakers are ready to start talking about the way out of this shutdown. During those votes on the

Senate floor earlier today, there was actually a group of senators, Republicans and Democrats who huddled together and were speaking for a

lengthy time.

We're told that these are really informal conversations, but that people were in agreement that they need to find some type of solution, some type

of compromise to put an end to this government shutdown. But the question is what exactly that will be? Democrats still want Republicans to come to

the negotiating table on Obamacare subsidies that are set to expire at the end of the year. They believe that Republicans might get a push based on

some numbers that are going to be coming in the month of October.

This is when Americans will start to find out how much their health care will cost for the coming years. Democrats believe if Republicans see that,

if Americans see that their health insurance could spike by hundreds of dollars, that that might be something that push pushes Republicans to act.

But right now, they're just still does not seem to be an immediate resolution in sight for this government shutdown, as these lawmakers are

going to be heading home or staying in Washington, D.C., for the next, about 36 hours, and they\re not set to get back to work until Friday.

FOSTER: Another long night for you, Arlette. Thank you so much for joining us.

European security took the spotlight at today's E.U. Summit in Denmark. One proposal is to use foreign or frozen Russian assets to fund billions of

dollars in loans to Kyiv. The Kremlin warned such a move would be considered, quote, stealing.

Denmark has been on high alert and has temporarily banned civil drone flights since last week's suspicious drone activity at several airports and

military sites.

Three suspected Hamas members under arrest in Germany. They're accused of obtaining weapons for what prosecutors call assassinations targeting

Israeli and Jewish institutions. Police say they found various weapons, including an assault rifle, pistols and a large amount of ammo. The

suspects are expected to appear in court on Thursday.

Amazing pictures from New York as an explosion blows off a chunk of a high rise apartment building in the Bronx, New York's fire commissioner says a

ventilator shaft connected to a boiler collapsed, leaving a tap -- sorry, leaving a top to bottom tear through that whole structure. You can see it

there.

No deaths or injuries were reported inside the building or on the ground. The cause is under investigation, but CNN affiliates report it may have

been a gas explosion.

A frantic search underway to find dozens of students buried under the rubble of a collapsed boys school in Indonesia. At least three people died

when the building in east java province collapsed on Monday, but more than 90 are still missing. Their families left with an agonizing wait outside

the school for answers.

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HOLY ABDULLAH ARIF, UNCLE OF MISSING STUDENT (through translator): What I feel now is how is my nephew faring? I've been looking for him all day and

I can't find him until I cried. I'm sorry. I don't know how he's doing. Whether he can be saved, whether he's dead or alive. I just hope that the

search and rescue team can evacuate my nephew safely. And I hope my nephew can survive the evacuation.

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FOSTER: Rescue workers are warning the clock is running out to find survivors.

CNN's Ivan Watson monitoring the operation from Hong Kong.

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IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A frantic search and rescue operation is underway in the Indonesian City of Sidoarjo. This after

a boys Islamic boarding school suddenly collapsed on Monday afternoon as boys ages 12 to 18 were conducting afternoon prayers. So, there are scores

of people feared to be missing. A desperate vigil being conducted nearby by parents who want to know any kind of information about their missing

children.

The search and rescue workers are operating in rubble that they say is very unstable and complicating the effort. They say they have special search

cameras for the operation, as well as a heart monitor and one official has told CNN that they have actually communicated with at least six boys who

have been able to answer to them, and they've been able to give them some food and some water, which they say should extend the potential

survivability after this disaster took place.

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There have been reports of at least several casualties. However, while there also have been some successful rescues, even though we're talking

about very cramped spaces that the people are operating in and that the victims are trapped in.

Now, "The Associated Press" reports that there was cement being laid on the roof of the school at the time of the collapse, and that there were not

adequate building permits for the construction. That was underway. An Indonesian government minister has called this a wakeup call, according to

local media, saying that that schools like this are often built by communities without adequate precautions.

Ivan Watson, CNN, Hong Kong.

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FOSTER: It is still several hours until sunrise in Indonesia. Next, I'll speak to a search and rescue expert about how those missing children can be

reached under those conditions Ivan was speaking to.

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FOSTER: Now, with almost 100 people still missing at the collapse of that Indonesian boarding school. Specialist rescue teams are now on the scene.

The national search and rescue agency is there with breathing apparatus, medical evacuation gear. Teams on the scene have a heart rate monitor that

can detect the heartbeat of survivors, as parents wait anxiously outside the school.

What we want to know is, can the missing children be reached in time?

Joining us now, Captain Dave Downy. He was the leader of the Miami-Dade Fire Search and Rescue Team in Florida.

Thank you so much for joining us. Our thoughts are obviously with everyone there.

From what we understand, they don't have a, you know, a lack of rescuers or of equipment.

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It's just that this site is so delicate. They know there are survivors, but they're in these pockets under the rubble, so they can't just charge in,

can they?

DAVE DOWNEY, FORMER TEAM LEADER, MIAMI-DADE FIRE SEARCH AND RESCUE: No, no. I mean, part of the search and rescue, you know, first off, get rid of

those victims that are trapped on the surface and then starting selective debris removal to kind of get in and access those void spaces. And that's

what they're doing right now.

FOSTER: And all the time, it's a race against time because there's only so long they can survive.

DOWNEY: Yeah. I mean, time is a factor, but it's only one piece of the puzzle. In this particular collapse, from what I've been viewing, there's,

you know, a lot of void spaces and opportunity for victims to survive. You know, our team rescued a young girl, two years old, eight days after the

earthquake in Haiti.

And so, while time is a factor, making sure that you can get into these spaces and not put the rescuers in harm's way, but be able to access them,

they're utilizing the listening devices. They're utilizing the search cameras. This is all appropriate to try to find the survivors.

FOSTER: What's the idea? To try to reach survivors through some sort of tunneling to get them oxygen, food, water. We understand they've done that

with one group.

Is that the -- in order of priority? What is it to just get them what they need to survive or to actually, you know, dig them out?

DOWNEY: Right. Well, if you can make it more survivable in the space, if you can get them water, I would assume instead of oxygen, they're really

pumping air into the void spaces just to keep it fresh, just to keep it tenable. But the tunneling is appropriate. You know, they're going to find

the areas that there's the most stable access.

And sometimes, that's in the lower areas of the building. And at the same time, starting to delay or take some of the debris off the top and lighten

the load that's on top of this entire collapse.

So, it's a lot of people working simultaneously. So going underneath, going in from the side, going in from the top. All of these are appropriate.

FOSTER: What appears to be unusual here is, you know, the nature of it. So, it was a four-story building as we understand. There was an issue on the

top floor and it collapsed. But all four stories collapsed, and everyone was on the ground floor praying at the time.

So, this is your worst nightmare, isn't it? A huge amount of rubble. And everyone on the lower floors.

DOWNEY: Absolutely. There's a tremendous amount of debris sitting on top of where these victims are, where these survivors are and it is. It's the

worst case scenario. And it's tragic because from what I'm reading and seeing, it was preventable.

FOSTER: What's -- what would you be saying to the families that are gathered there? I mean, what do you say to them?

DOWNEY: Right? I've been through these similar scenarios and what I tell the families and all the loved ones is that we're doing everything that we

can, that we haven't given up hope that were continuing to aggressively search around the clock and stabilize the areas and get to these victims

as, as soon as we possibly can.

We are in a rescue operation. This is not recovery. There will come a time where the probability is that there won't be any survivors. But right now,

we're in rescue mode, and we're going to continue that until such time as we've exhausted our resources or it's become so untenable because of the

likelihood of a secondary collapse.

FOSTER: Okay. Dave Downey, thank you so much. And our thoughts are with everyone there in east Java.

Youth-led protests turned violent across Morocco after several days of anti-government demonstrations. The Gen Z demonstrators are demanding

better social services. They claim the Moroccan government is instead focusing on investment in the FIFA World Cup, being held there in 2030. The

protests in Morocco mirror similar unrest sweeping other countries.

Hanako Montgomery reports.

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HANAKO MONTGOMERY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Moroccans taking to the streets and demanding an anti-corruption, better health care and education

reforms. The nationwide youth led protests have rocked the North African nation for several days. This video shows a police van suddenly ramming

into demonstrators in the city of Oujda. The fate of those involved remains unclear.

The government issued a statement this week saying it's open to dialogue, quote, within institutions and public spaces to find realistic solutions.

That's according to "Reuters".

Over in Madagascar, in East Africa, another movement led by young people has swept the island nation. This time over water and power cuts and not

even the president dissolving the government has put a stop to the unrest.

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The United Nations says at least 22 people have been killed and more than 100 injured. But the government rejects those numbers. Morocco and

Madagascar are the latest in a number of youth led uprisings in different parts of the world.

In Kathmandu, Nepal, Gen Z led tens of thousands of protesters into the streets two weeks ago, furious over government corruption.

In Indonesia, protests swelled after a 21-year-old was killed by police in August.

Elsewhere, crowds took to the streets in the Philippines and France, and in several of these protests, this skull flag has been raised.

So, what does the flag mean? Well, it comes from Japan's bestselling manga, "One Piece".

In the story, the flag is the Jolly Roger of the Straw Hat Pirates who don't just hunt treasure, but also fight oppressive powers and demand

freedom.

For protesters, that message hits home.

EMMAS MUHAMMAD FIRDAUS, MURAL ARTIST (through translator): This is a symbol of warning for the government, so they have to look at their people. Many

Indonesians are hoisting the "One Piece" flag because they want the government to listen to them.

MONTGOMERY (voice-over): The protests around the world may have different origins, but the anger is the same. That's why young people have turned

this skull flag into a global banner of defiance and freedom.

Hanako Montgomery, CNN.

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FOSTER: Still to come, what Donald Trump is saying about the government shutdown. We'll go live to the White House for the latest.

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FOSTER: Well, this hour there is a whole lot of finger-pointing and very little talk of compromise on Capitol Hill. The U.S. government is run out

of money and hundreds of thousands of federal workers are being sent through furlough notices. The government shutdown is expected to quickly

impact the federal courts. Economic numbers like the jobs data due on Friday, won't be reported, and the host of other services could also be

cut.

Essential workers like air traffic controllers and the military will continue to work, but they won't get paid until after the shutdown is over.

The major issue dividing the two sides is health insurance funding currently. Democrats say Republicans must negotiate on that, or the

government will stay closed.

The one thing both Democrats and Republicans do agree about is this -- it's the other sides fault.

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SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY), SENATE MINORITY LEADER: They've had since March to do this. We've asked them to vote on it three times, the Republican

senators, and all three times they voted no. We need a real answer now. If they kick the can down the road, you know, as Martin Luther once -- King

once said, senior, later means never.

REP. MIKE JOHNSON (R-LA), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: It simply continues the Biden era spending levels that Chuck Schumer and the Democrats have already

supported in the past. They just did it most recently in March, and they gave long speeches about how it was so critically important that we not

shut the government down.

So there's nothing for me to give. There's nothing to negotiate. I don't have any Republican priorities to put on the table, because we sent over a

clean C.R. And that's why none of this makes sense.

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FOSTER: Kristen Holmes joins us from the White House. Is there anyone in the middle ground here trying to sort this out?

KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, it certainly seems like there might be some movement. Now, one of the things we heard

today was the vice president came out to the press briefing. He kind of went around Karoline Leavitt, the press secretary, to give remarks about

the shutdown, obviously blaming Democrats.

But he was specifically asked what he was doing, and he said that he was talking to both Democrats and Republicans. They do seem to believe that

there are a few moderate Democrats that they might be able to get on board to vote for this clean C.R.

They got more votes last night than they thought they were going to get when it comes to Democrats. And it seems as though they are certainly

pushing these more moderate Democrats.

Now, it's unclear whether or not they can get any more of these votes. As you said, they really are in a position right now, both sides, in which

nobody is budging. And the question of when is someone going to blink, it doesn't seem like we have an answer to that.

One of the things that has come up now, in addition to, as you mentioned, all of these different agencies shutting down, is this question of mass

federal layoffs. I'm not talking about furloughs, which happens during every shutdown, talking about actual firings.

This is something President Trump had floated. It's something that the Office of Management and Budget had essentially reached out to the various

agencies, asking them to identify different programs whose funding was going to end on October 1st and put them on a list that would likely lead

to these mass eliminations within the federal government.

These would be programs, as the director of the OMB said, don't align with President Trump's agenda. And today, during this press briefing, they all

said, Vance, as well as the press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, that these layoffs were imminent, that they could happen at any time and likely sooner

rather than later.

So, a lot of people's lives are really going to be affected in the coming days if the government does stay shut down.

FOSTER: Yeah. Thoughts with everyone caught in the middle.

Kristen, thank you so much.

U.S. late night talk show host Jimmy Kimmel is speaking out about his temporary suspension in an interview with fellow late night host Stephen

Colbert. Kimmel says he feared he was permanently canceled after making comments about the murder of right wing activist Charlie Kirk. Kimmel also

had harsh words for President Donald Trump and his reaction to the suspension.

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JIMMY KIMMEL, LATE NIGHT TALK SHOW HOST: No, I never imagined that we'd ever have a president like this, and I hope we don't ever have another

president like this again.

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KIMMEL: I mean, I'd never imagine -- I never even imagined there would ever be a situation in which the president of our country was celebrating

hundreds of Americans losing their jobs, somebody who took pleasure in that. That, to me, is the absolute opposite of what a leader of this

country is supposed to be.

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FOSTER: The White House says it's looking forward to what it calls an ultimate victory. After the Supreme Court agreed to hear a case over the

independence of an agency with vast power over the American economy. The top U.S. court agreed to hear arguments in January to decide whether

President Trump can temporarily fire Lisa Cook from the Federal Reserve.

The U.S. president tried to fire Cook in late August, alleging mortgage fraud. Cook calls the charges manufactured. For now, she remains on the

federal reserve board of governors.

Now it's the final moments of trade on Wall Street. The stocks are flat. It could be a turbulent few days or weeks ahead with the government shutdown.

This is our business breakout.

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Nike shares rising after some positive earnings on Tuesday, the company posted stronger profits than expected despite pressure from new U.S.

tariffs. Nike says it expects a $1.5 billion hit from the tariffs this year.

Peloton is betting big on artificial intelligence in a new revamp. The exercise bike company releasing new versions which include an A.I.

assistant. Peloton shares have fallen more than 90 percent from their peak during the COVID 19 pandemic.

U.S. President Donald Trump's pick to run the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Mike Antoni, has had his nomination withdrawn. It comes after CNN reporting

into one of Antoni's social media accounts, which featured derogatory remarks about gay people and sexually -- sexually degrading attacks on

Kamala Harris.

Now, we won't get a U.S. jobs report on Friday if the government shutdown is still in effect, but the warning signs for the economy aren't going

away. Thirty-two thousand private sector jobs were lost in September, according to a new report today from payroll company ADP. That's much worse

than expected.

Vanessa Yurkevich is in New York.

Can we say this is a trend yet, though, Vanessa?

VANESSA YURKEVICH, CNN BUSINESS AND POLITICS CORRESPONDENT: Well, that is certainly what economists want to be looking for, but are not going to have

the opportunity to look at on Friday. This is because of the government shutdown, which we expect will extend to Friday because of the holidays.

You have senators leaving Washington right now, but economists are really trying to figure out just how long this goes on, because obviously, the

longer it goes on, the worse that this gets for the economy.

The last time we had a government shutdown, Max, was in 2018, 2019 for about five weeks, and that cost the U.S. economy $3illion. That's from the

U.S. Congressional Budget Office. Also, according to the Budget Office, they are predicting what this shutdown could look like, which includes CEO

and consumer confidence being shaken because many workers are not going to be paid and thus they're not going to be spending. So that's consumer

confidence and spending being shaken there.

Also, the possibility of 750,000 furloughed federal employees daily. That's about $400 million in lost wages every single day. And then of course, this

idea that Kristen was just talking about possible mass layoffs, according to the press secretary, coming imminently.

And then this is key delayed data on jobs and prices. So, inflation, we will likely not get that jobs report on Friday. And that is important

because if you look at the trend that we have been seeing, we've seen a weakening labor market and economists want to see if that continues into

the month of September, but we will not know. Also, sort of at risk here is consumer inflation and producer inflation prices. Those are reports that we

get out later this month.

But we did get this morning from the private payroll service ADP, which suggests that there was a weakening of the labor market in September, a

loss of 32,000 jobs in September and a revision, actually in August. Initially, it was an increase of 54,000, but a revision down of 3,000.

Now, economists are really looking at this closely because their concern is that as long as this government shutdown goes on, that's less and less data

for the Federal Reserve to parse through. And the Federal Reserve, remember, waited nine months to make a decision on interest rates in terms

of being able to feel good about cutting rates because they'd been looking at inflation data and they saw, okay, inflation is not heating up.

They were looking at the labor market and saw, oh, its cooling down. And so, they finally felt like they could cut rates. The next rate cut is later

this month. The data that they have so far is that ADP number that I just showed you. And the job openings report that we just got earlier this week.

But that's it. And if there's nothing else, they're going to have to make a critical decision max. Just with that data alone. But investors on Wall

Street, markets are really have been unchanged most of today, and that is because they do expect that the Federal Reserve will still cut rates even

without the data that they like to look through.

Obviously, the longer this goes on, the worse it gets for that data. But as of right now, investors are still pricing in that rate cut coming in the

next couple of weeks, Max.

FOSTER: Vanessa, thank you.

YURKEVICH: Thanks.

FOSTER: It's an extraordinary pledge to defend an Arab nation. The details of Donald Trump's executive order to defend Qatar, coming up.

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FOSTER: It's a significant commitment by the U.S. to a non-NATO ally. President Donald Trump has signed an executive order to guarantee the

security of Qatar, which has come under attack twice this year by Iran and by Israel. The order, dated Monday, comes as the Israeli prime minister

apologized on the phone to his Qatari counterpart for Israel's strike in Doha last month. He did that from the White House.

CNN's State Department reporter Jennifer Hansler joins us now.

I mean, looking at the detail, it really is extraordinary, isn't it? It includes retaliatory military action as well. So, Donald Trump has really

gone out of his way to make a point here.

JENNIFER HANSLER, CNN STATE DEPARTMENT REPORTER: That's absolutely right, Max. This is a really significant and strong show of support for from the

U.S. to Qatar, which is one of its most important allies in the region. This executive order that was dated earlier this week says that any armed

attack on the territory, sovereignty or critical infrastructure of Qatar will be seen as a threat to the peace and security of the U.S., and it

warns that, quote, all lawful and appropriate measures, including diplomatic, economic and, if necessary, military to defend the interests of

the U.S. and Qatar, will be considered in that case.

Now, of course, this comes as the Israelis hit Doha just a month ago in what they said was a counter Hamas attack. We saw the U.S. come out

forcefully after that attack, saying that the Israelis gave them very little heads up and that they let Qatar know immediately and they were in

serious damage control over this very important partnership that they have in the region.

Doha, of course, serves as a mediator, both in the Hamas talks. They are also, for example, their protecting power in Afghanistan and have helped to

mediate between the U.S. and the Taliban. So, this is a really critical ally.

But of course, the timing comes as there are these talks with Hamas over these attempts to end the war in Gaza. This is something the U.S. has been

pushing for, and they are relying on Qatar to do the same.

Qatar, of course, came out and welcomed this pledge today. They said this is something that they were looking forward to, and they said they remain

committed to working with the U.S. and partners as trusted mediators to address these shared challenges.

Now, we just heard from our colleague Kaitlan Collins, that Trump actually spoke with the emir of Qatar earlier today, and this was likely part of

that conversation -- Max.

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FOSTER: Jennifer, thank you.

We continue to follow our breaking news tonight. The death of famed conservationist Jane Goodall. We'll have a look at her life, her legacy,

all coming up.

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FOSTER: Our breaking news tonight, the famed conservationist Jane Goodall has died at the age of 91.

CNN's Tom Foreman looks back at her extraordinary career.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Jane Goodall's love of animals began at an early age.

GOODALL: I was told that I was watching earthworms before I could talk.

FOREMAN (voice-over): As a child growing up in World War II London, she escaped into books about Dr. Dolittle and Tarzan.

GOODALL: My dream when I was 11 years old. I will grow up, go to Africa, live with animals and write books about them. And of course, everybody

laughed at me. We didn't have any money.

And finally, I was the wrong sex. Dolls didn't do that sort of thing.

FOREMAN (voice-over): But that didn't matter to legendary paleontologist Louis Leakey. After hiring Goodall as his assistant, he sent her to what is

now Tanzania in 1960 to study chimpanzees in the wild.

With no formal scientific education, Goodall conducted her research unlike anyone else, giving the chimps names. Observing human like behavior, even

gaining acceptance into chimps society. Her unconventional methods led to several landmark discoveries, among them that chimps use tools and eat meat

just like us. Her findings for scientists to redefine humankind and reconsider what really separated us from our closest cousins.

GOODALL: They are not just objects, not just things that they have personalities, minds and feelings.

FOREMAN (voice-over): Goodall would earn a PhD from Cambridge University and be named a dame of the British empire, and through her institute, she

became a tireless advocate for animal rights and the environment.

One of Goodall's proudest accomplishments creating a youth program called Roots and Shoots.

GOODALL: To bring up a generations of children around the world to be better stewards of the planet and to be more loving of each other.

FOREMAN (voice-over): Even in her later years, Goodall spent 300 days a year on the road preaching her message. But no matter where she went,

nature was never far from her mind.

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GOODALL: Wherever I am, I can close my eyes and imagine myself in the forest, living with the most fascinating beings out in the forests I

dreamed of, doing some writing, which I love. A little bit of teaching, which I enjoy. I mean, what better life could anybody have?

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FOSTER: Pretty high-level tributes coming in, as you would expect from around the world. The United Nations saying she worked tirelessly for our

planet and all its inhabitants, leaving an extraordinary legacy for humanity and nature.

The former Canadian prime minister, Justin Trudeau, called her a pioneer whose research and advocacy reshaped our understanding of the natural

world.

And the late night host Jon Stewart put it up -- well, put it in simplest terms, really, of all, saying Jane Goodall was just the best.

I'm Max Foster. That's WHAT WE KNOW.

"QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" up next.

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