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MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: Investigations continue after a deadly plane crash in Louisville.

This is WHAT WE KNOW.

Any moment now, we're expecting the National Transportation Safety Board to give an update on that fiery cargo plane crash in Louisville, Kentucky. At

least nine people were killed when a UPS freighter crashed shortly after takeoff on Tuesday night. Cameras caught the moment it crashed, but we have

to warn you, the video is very dramatic and disturbing. The crash triggered an explosion at a nearby petroleum recycling facility. Images on social

media appear to show the plane's engine fell off on the runway.

Earlier today, the governor explained what's being done to help recovery efforts.

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GOV. ANDY BESHEAR (D), KENTUCKY: Following yesterday's events, I'm declaring a state of emergency to help us deal with this plane crash. It

allows us to move resources more quickly through emergency management and the Kentucky National Guard. It will allow state resources to be used also

through our agencies to be readily available, including disaster resource management, expenses related to response, and more, as well as

reimbursement.

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FOSTER: Pete Muntean joins us now with the very latest.

Pete, what are you looking at from this update?

PETE MUNTEAN, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: Well, we'll hear from the National Transportation Safety Board any minute now. They call this type of

briefing planting the flag, meaning that well hear from NTSB board member Todd Inman. They will lay out essentially their early plan for this

investigation. But we probably do not anticipate getting any major new details here because investigators are stressing, to me, at least on

background, that it's way too early to speculate why this unfolded, even though the early visual clues are painting this picture that UPS 2976 was

doomed very much from the start.

I want to show you the video of the doomed takeoff roll, the clearest view yet of the moments leading up to the crash, and investigators will likely

go through this frame by frame. A few key details here. You can see a fire on the left side of the airplane. Maybe coming from the left engine. You

could also see the nose of the airplane is up, but no precipitous climb taking place here. The plane struggling to get airborne.

Just want to give you some context. This airplane, an MD-11F, is a large widebody jet, was used in airline service, though not anymore by airlines

that would pack 270, 300, maybe even 400 people on board, built by McDonnell Douglas Company before it became part of Boeing.

Three engines, the number one engine is on the left side. The number two engine back there on the tail, the number three engine on the right wing.

Also some pretty key forensic clues for investigators to begin going through on the ground, and the aerial video that keeps coming out, now with

daylight on, it shows what's known as an engine cowling. That's the cover around an engine next to the takeoff runway. Also, images surfacing of an

entire engine lying next to that runway.

The challenge now for investigators will be fitting all of these clues into a timeline of events, but the timeline was very.

FOSTER: Very sorry to interrupt, Pete. We're going to go live to that presser in Louisville.

TODD INMAN, NTSB BOARD MEMBER: Seen it all day. We know it is tearing at the community. And we're deeply sorry. And we are here to try to find out

not only what happened, but why it happened. And more importantly, how do we prevent it from happening again.

So here is some factual information we have at this time. And I'm going to read a few notes to make sure we have exact -- the airplane involved was a

McDonnell Douglas II, which was then altered to be an MD-11F. The F stands for freighter. It is now handled by the Boeing Corporation. So, whenever

you hear that Boeing is a party, it is because of the merger with McDonnell Douglas many years ago.

The plane was manufactured in 1991 with a tail number of November 259UP. The plane was traveling from Louisville, Kentucky, to Honolulu, Hawaii.

There were three souls on board the plane after being cleared for takeoff, a large plume of fire in the area of the left wing occurred during the

takeoff roll.

The plane lifted off and gained control -- gained enough altitude to clear the fence at the end of runway 17R shortly after clearing that fence, it

made impact with structures and the terrain off of the airport property.

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A post-impact fire ensued which covers approximately almost a half of a mile, and we have viewed airport CCTV security coverage, which shows the

left engine detaching from the wing during the takeoff roll. This and other videos, along with evidence we were finding, are very valuable asset to our

investigators and helping us hone further which areas we were going to be focusing on as we move into further days of the investigation.

Now, let me tell you a little bit about our process at the NTSB. What we will do is analyze the facts, determine the probable cause of this

accident, and then issue a report on those recommendations. Now, the investigator in charge of this is with me here.

It's Ki Hoon Shin (ph), who has been with the NTSB for 13 years. He is one of our more senior investigators and in fact, was leading one of the groups

during the DCA crash. He has a number of other individuals with them. We have approximately 28 from our headquarters and other locations that are

either on the ground or will be here before the end of the day. They're also being supported by dozens of individuals at our headquarters in

Washington, D.C. and other field offices.

As part of this investigation, we will be forming specific groups, and when we form a group, it will be a focus area led by NTSB individual along with

subject matter experts that are in that field that can provide expertise to help analyze the evidence. Our current groups that are being formed are

operations. They will review the history of the accident, flight and the crew members' duties for as many days before the crash that appear

relevant.

Our structures group will document the airframe wreckage. The accident scene, including the calculation of the impact angles to help determine the

planes input, pre-impact course and altitude.

We also have a power plants group. They will work on the examination of the engines and engine accessories.

We have a systems group. They will study the components of the planes hydraulic, electrical, pneumatic and associated systems, together with the

instruments and elements of the flight control system.

Now, outside of that group, we have also brought in another group that well have will be maintenance, which will obviously be looking at maintenance,

maintenance records. Any work that's been done on this plane for as long as back as needed.

We are also bringing in specialists in air traffic control, human performance, aircraft performance recorders, government relations, media

relations. In addition to our investigators, we have brought five of our transportation disaster assistance team. They will be dealing with the

survivors, the families and others under what we call a federally legislated accident from the 1996 Family Assistance Act.

Now tonight, we will be holding an organizational meeting and establishing parties to our investigation. Because were very new into it. We'll not be

announcing the parties at this moment, but they will obviously be manufactured. The aircraft operators of the aircraft unions, representing

some of the members. We'll have more details for you on that probably tomorrow during a briefing.

Now, the NTSB offers this party status to those companies, government agencies and associations that have employees or activities or equipment

involved in the accident. And we offer this because they have subject matter expertise and technical expertise in relevant information to help

support the development of the best possible report. Now, once a party joins an NTSB investigation, they are not permitted to release documents or

talk publicly about the investigation without the consent of the NTSB.

Now, you can rest assured, right now, all of the parties or potential parties are complying with that requirement, and they're cooperating fully

with the NTSB investigators. Again, it will be only the NTSB that will release information regarding this accident going forward.

Tomorrow will be our first full day on scene. Our investigative teams, we anticipate, will be here at least a week, if not longer. Our mission,

again, is not -- understand not only what happened, but why it happened and recommend changes to prevent it from happening again.

We will not be determining the probable cause while we are here on scene, nor will we speculate about what may have caused this. Now, since we're

just beginning with the investigation, we don't have more factual information to give you at this time. But we believe over the next couple

of days we'll be able to unveil a little bit further for you.

I do want to also mention this just happened in the last basically 30 minutes. We have identified the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data

recorder. This is what is commonly referred to as a black box. We have investigators now that have located it, as you can imagine, it is in --

it's suffered some heat.

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Not intrusion, but heat around it. These recorders are built for that. And just before we get the question these recorders were updated from its

original manufacturer. They are L3 Harris, installed at two different dates. We're going back and verifying that, but we feel comfortable once we

get these to our lab in D.C., that we will be able to get a good readout of the applicable data. And that will be yet another point of information that

will really help us understand what happened during this point of flight.

So, I would ask, though, if you have the opportunity to let the public know, we know there's a lot of debris out there. And it's in some yards,

it's in some business locations. If you can have any debris or you see something that you think is from an aircraft, please contact us at the

email address, witness@ntsb,gov. Again, that email address is witness@ntsb.gov.

Sometimes we get some very good information from items that are found. And with a debris field a half mile long, we were still making the

determination of exactly where and what parts of the airplane and where they're at now.

Be happy to take a few questions. Again, we are limited in the information. When you do, please tell me who you're with. And what your name is.

Tom, you made the trip.

REPORTER: Thank you, Sir.

Member Inman, can you talk about photo that we've seen and video as well? What appears to be an engine sitting on the side of a -- of a road or on

the road, is that, in fact, do you believe that's the number one left side engine? And separately you talked about the black boxes that you've

identified them and they should be able to withstand heat. But can you describe what they look like and what, if any, marks, sear marks, black

marks there are on those black boxes.

INMAN: Okay. The first question was basically the engine that's been seen in some photographs. We do believe that that is the engine from the left

side of the plane. It is actually on the airfield, so it's not off the airport property that correlates with the video that we've seen of it

detaching from the airplane while it is in flight.

We also know that a fire was occurring during that time. And so, we're analyzing that. In fact, we have teams right now that are preparing to do

the runway. And what we call a FOD walk (ph). That is, foreign object debris.

Obviously, the runways have been shut down, but we need to not only take drone coverage and video coverage of where every piece of this evidence is,

but then we need to recover it and tag it. And those will give us even more pieces of information. So right now, it's still on the field. We're making

arrangements for that evidence to be recovered and stored in a secure location. And once we are able to analyze it, we may need to ship it off

for specialists, for things like that. But we do feel comfortable that we're going to get a lot of good information from it.

What was your second part?

REPORTER: Sir, can you describe the physical condition, what you saw, how those black boxes actually looked.

INMAN: The physical condition of the black boxes. We've only -- I've only seen one picture. You could very -- you could easily tell that it was a

black box about two types of cylinders on top. Our specialists said they were able to easily identify that.

We don't know until it gets to Washington, D.C. I will tell you that they are -- they're manufactured to a very specific standard. Luckily, they were

not in a post-impact fire for multiple days or on the bottom of the ocean. So, while the fire may have been intense, it is built to withstand that.

Once we get them to D.C. and we can open them up and take the steps, and sometimes we have to take multiple steps.

Now it will be multiple or at least several days before we have a readout of those, because as we take them apart, we need to let some of our groups

go through and do what's called audition them, and then they'll come up with a potential or partial transcript looking for identifying markers that

we need to delve into further while we're on the ground. So -- and as always, we will never be releasing the actual audio of any of those

conversations out of respect for those who are involved in the aircraft.

Yes, sir?

FOSTER: That is then, Todd Inman from the NTSB giving an update on that fiery crash from the cargo plane in Louisville.

Let's go straight to Pete Muntean. He's with me also, CNN transportation analyst Mary Schiavo.

Pete, they've got the black boxes. That's good news. They may have some fire damage, but they're made to withstand it.

MUNTEAN: That is key. And that will provide some very critical clues for investigators on the scene. It will take them some time to analyze what is

in the cockpit voice recorder and what is in the flight data recorder. The major development we heard from NTSB board member Todd Inman in this

briefing is that the left engine, he said, separated from this airplane during its takeoff roll, which we apparently see in that video taken from

an airport tug on the Louisville Muhammad Ali International Airport grounds.

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Also, Inman confirmed that the images that we have seen of an engine lying there on the ground as the left engine, so this is so critical and it

reverberates, has, some harkening back to the crash of American Airlines Flight 191 in the late `70s, which was a DC-10, a derivative of the MD-11,

really inspired a redesign where the left engine came off of the pylon completely. Very similar to this incident.

So, investigators always look at three things from the National Transportation Safety Board. They look into the environment. They look into

the pilots. They look at the airplane.

No big keys here from this briefing about the environment. The weather was pretty good at the time. Not much said about the pilots. The airplane will

be key and they will, of course, be digging into the maintenance records here to see if there was any recent maintenance done on this airplane, if

there was a maintenance induced failure, that would have precipitated this engine potentially failing and falling off of this airplane.

Way too soon to speculate, although we can keep an eye on the facts, we now know from the National Transportation Safety Board that this engine came

free from this UPS MD-11F as it was taking off from Louisville. It reached a little bit of altitude, enough to clear the airport fence, but not enough

to clear the industrial park and the warehouses at the end of the runway.

FOSTER: Pete, thank you so much.

Mary, you're a former inspector general of the U.S. Transportation Department. You know, for a layman, if I can call myself that, the idea of

an engine falling off a wing is absolutely frightening. And the fact that they're looking at maintenance in relation to that.

But he did earlier on, didn't he? This guy from the NTSB talk about a fire on the wing and then the engine fell off. So, could a fire have triggered

the engine to fall off, or was it the engine falling off? That was the problem.

MARY SCHIAVO, CNN TRANSPORTATION ANALYST: Well, I think the engine falling off is always a problem. You know, it's -- I don't mean to be frightening

people, but, you know, engines do catch fire in flight. They have fire battles on them, you know, and often, they're able to extinguish the fire

when the, the, you know, the plane is in flight and there's a fire in the engine.

Here, I think he pretty much confirmed that that engine fell off in the takeoff roll. And that is a rare event. Now, there have been accidents and

the NTSB will do this. The NTSB will go back through history at other accidents where this has occurred. One happened back in the late `70s. It

was about 1979.

And in that case, the plane had come out of maintenance, and they had taken the engines off the plane for maintenance, but they had not followed the

manufacturer's guidance and rules and the procedures to do that. The pins that held the engine on were damaged. And just like here, the engine fell

off on takeoff.

And so, they will go back and look at those prior incidents that happened to be a DC-10. This is an MD-11, a similar plane, but newer, more, more

recent in manufacture. But they will do that. So, it is an important confirmation.

That video showed that this engine came off and that they have a pretty big team, 28 already, and they will be adding more. But one of those teams is

maintenance. So already since an engine did come off, you always have to look at maintenance. I mean, it's just a big issue because it is rare, much

rarer than engine fires.

FOSTER: And can you explain were looking at these images half a mile long streak of fire. This is the evidence they're having to deal with now, which

is why there's so -- you know, it's just extraordinary.

Why so much fire? Because the engine? Because it was full of fuel?

SCHIAVO: Yes, 38,000 gallons of fuel weighs over 300,000 pounds. And that is a lot of fuel. And once this -- when it appears, when the engine came

off, that the wing tank in the -- in the wing where underneath the, you know, near the engine was breached. And that means that spewing fuel and

fire as it travels down and the NTSB did mention that there was a string of parts even before the big fireball.

So, this plane, this engine for sure was coming apart. And then once that wing tank is breached, you're literally spewing fire and fuel and it's --

that is a lot of fuel, 38,000, some people say 36,000 gallons of fuel, 300,000 pounds of burning fuel. I mean, it's in some ways its almost lucky

that it wasn't more than a half a mile when I saw the first pictures. I mean, it looked -- it looked, you know, huge and longer than half a mile.

But remember, the NTSB is used to dealing with huge debris fields. They've scoured the ocean floor. TWA 800 blew up in flight, and they scoured the

Atlantic Ocean.

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The other investigators, not the U.S., but others scoured the South Indian Ocean. They walked miles and miles through Scotland fields looking for

parts of Pan Am 103. They are used to this. And by the way, there's great computer programs and A.I. that help you log every part, every little piece

that you find. You can log it right on the spot when you do it. So, they will be assisted by computer technology.

FOSTER: Mary, thank you so much for explaining that latest briefing from the NTSB.

SCHIAVO: Thank you.

FOSTER: Now, the day after a sweeping election night in the U.S., Democrats are hoping those wins will propel them onto the path to victory in next

year's critical midterms.

Running on a platform based on affordability, Zohran Mamdani stormed to a mayoral win in New York. President Donald Trump had threatened to pull

federal funding from the city if Mamdani won the election. The self- proclaimed Democratic socialist had this message for the president.

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MAYOR-ELECT ZOHRAN MAMDANI (D), NEW YORK: New York will remain a city of immigrants, a city built by immigrants, powered by immigrants. And as of

tonight, led by an immigrant.

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MAMDANI: So hear me, President Trump, when I say this -- to get to any of us, you will have to get through all of us.

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FOSTER: Democrats also won governors races in Virginia and New Jersey, and California voters approved a plan to redraw the state's electoral map,

which could flip as many as five congressional seats for Democrats in the 2026 midterms.

President Trump is placing a lot of the blame for Republican election losses on the record-setting federal government shutdown. Now, in its 36th

day, Mr. Trump says. According to pollsters, the shutdown was a big factor in the voting results.

Without mentioning him by name, the president took a verbal shot at New York's mayor-elect.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: After last night's results, the decision facing all Americans could not be more clear. We have a choice

between communism and common sense. Does that make sense to you? Common sense. It's common sense or communism.

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FOSTER: Pazmino has been closely following the mayor's race in New York. She joins us right now.

It's interesting seeing President Trump pick out Mamdani from the winners last night. It does feel as though that's going to be a narrative. Now, the

Democrats are communists, even though this is just one member of a very broad party.

GLORIA PAZMINO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Max, and we should actually clarify that. Zohran Mamdani identifies as a Democratic socialist,

not a communist. In fact, that was part of what he mentioned during his victory speech last night. You know, his identity as a Democratic socialist

got so much attention during this campaign. He took to the stage last night and said that he wasn't going to apologize for that.

And we have continued to see. President Trump referred to Mamdani as a communist. You heard it there. As he was speaking in Miami earlier today.

We also know that the president has threatened to cut funding from New York City if Mamdani is elected.

Of course, he now has been elected. And the question now is, how is the Trump administration going to respond at all? And how is Zohran Mamdani

also going to handle the president?

This is, you know, not an insignificant threat. I have talked to Zohran Mamdani about this over the last few weeks, and he has said that he is

prepared to fight the Trump administration at every possible turn. Specifically with the court system. Right? He wants to make sure that the

president is being challenged and that his pronouncements are not being taken. Just at their word.

Zohran Mamdani spent all of today announcing his transition committee. He has 58 days left on the calendar before he is inaugurated to form his

government, his cabinet. And that's what we will be paying attention to over the next several weeks to see how he stacks his cabinet, because they

are going to play a major role in helping to enact some of these really major proposals that he ran on that will be very hard to accomplish.

You know, universal childcare, freezing the rent for rent stabilized tenants, making buses fast and free in the city of New York. Those are big

ideas all of them focused on affordability, which I think was the key driving message of Zohran Mamdani's campaign that got so much support from

people here in New York City.

FOSTER: Okay, Gloria. Fascinating night, thank you so much for bringing us those highlights.

Now coming up, deep skepticism from the U.S. Supreme Court.

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We'll break down what happened in court today as the Trump administration defends its controversial tariffs.

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FOSTER: The U.S. Supreme Court has wrapped up arguments in a landmark economic case. Justices will decide whether President Trump acted lawfully

when he imposed sweeping emergency tariffs against most global trading partners. Companies challenging the policies say on again/off again

announcements have driven costs and uncertainty to intolerable levels. This case could have profound consequences for both country and the presidency.

Joan Biskupic is with us now.

You're the expert on this.

I mean -- I mean, what? I mean, what is going to be so profound is if it goes against Trump, right? Because it's going to be very costly and a huge

project to unwind.

JOAN BISKUPIC, CNN CHIEF SUPREME COURT ANALYST: You know, that's exactly right, max. And I actually think that this might not definitely go against

him. You know, in the beginning of the oral arguments, as you know, how these things work, it's usually, you know, you have one lawyer up there

first, and certainly Donald Trump's lawyer at the lectern faced lots of criticism, lots of skepticism about his effort to unilaterally,

unilaterally impose these tariffs under an emergency powers act that's never, ever been used for tariffs before. You know, the president wanted to

squeeze congress out of the equation.

So, there was certainly a lot of momentum for the challengers at the beginning. But then key justices who I think are going to decide this case,

and that would be Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Amy Coney Barrett and Justice Neil Gorsuch. They're the ones who are kind of straddling the

middle here. They had some hesitancy.

And I'll tell you, the thing you just said about rewinding this, that was on Justice Barrett's mind. Justice Barrett questioned the administration

lawyer for sure on things. But then at one point she said, you know, if they were to -- if refunds were to be called for, if the challengers won

this case, it could be a real mess trying to get those refunds to people.

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So that's -- that was in there. And then Chief Justice John Roberts, who certainly, you know, questioned the Trump administration's lawyer about the

sweeping powers that the president is trying to seize here, said later, he noted that, you know, they haven't blocked these tariffs while the

litigation has been going on. You know, Max, a lot of times, they'll issue what's known as a stay and they'll, you know, block something while the

litigation goes on.

And in this case, they didn't. They let Donald Trump continue with these tariffs. And now some $90 billion has been collected. So, the chief

reference that, too.

And then he also said, you know, this is this, this whole idea of the president trying to have latitude working in foreign relations that is at

the core of his executive power. So, as I said, I went in thinking it was going to be very close and I'm not ready to call it definitely against

Donald Trump. It could go that way. It could. But I think that he still has a fighting chance here.

Just so you know, for your own timetable, the justices will vote in private on Friday, two days from now, and it will take them several weeks to

actually write their opinion. So, we will not know what's going on. But in the -- in terms of the validity of these tariffs. But in the meantime, to

your intro there, Max, millions and billions will continue to be collected.

FOSTER: Yeah, absolutely. I can't believe you're -- you're considering it won't go through. I mean, it would just be enormous, won't it, if this is

turned around.

Anyway. Thank you so much, Joan. We'll see what happens.

BISKUPIC: Sure. Thank you.

FOSTER: Still to come, Zohran Mamdani, road to victory in New York on a vow to reduce the cost of living. We want to know how easy will it be to

deliver on those promises now. That's next.

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FOSTER: We've been following developments for you this hour. After significant wins for Democrats in elections on Tuesday in the U.S., in New

York, 34-year-old Zohran Mamdani took victory in the race for mayor. He's the youngest person to win the office in more than a century. And he will

also be the city's first Muslim mayor. His victory comes after a campaign focused on affordability and the cost of living. He's announced an all-

female-led transition team and vowed to stick to the promises which got him elected.

Take a listen.

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PAZMINO: The hard work of improving New Yorkers' lives starts now. That process begins with transition. In the coming months, I -- and my team will

build a city hall capable of delivering on the promises of this campaign.

We will form an administration that is an equal parts capable and compassionate, driven by integrity and willing to work just as hard as the

millions of New Yorkers who call this city home.

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FOSTER: So, what we want to know is, can Zohran Mamdani deliver on his promise to reduce the cost of living? It's a huge promise.

Joining me now is "New York Times" state house correspondent Ben Oreskes.

Thank you so much for joining us.

I mean, first of all, I mean, you know, even when I was introducing Mamdani there, you know, it's so easy to talk about identity, isn't it, because of

who he is. And now that he's got this transition team made up in the way that it is, but it actually wasn't his main message, was it?

BEN ORESKES, NY STATEHOUSE CORRESPONDENT, NEW YORK TIMES: Certainly not. Looking at that transition team, you're looking at several veterans of city

government and Lina Khan, the former head of the Federal Trade Commission, he has very much wanted to go beyond identity in this campaign and talk

about very specific ways he can help people and make their lives easier so we can run through some of those.

That includes freezing rent stabilized units in the city. There's more than a million of them. And making childcare free for every kid. I think up to

the age of five. These are enormously expensive things to do.

And in addition to that, he's talked about wanting to cut red tape. He's almost sounded like a Republican in certain ways about wanting to make

government more efficient. And it's been a very attractive message to a lot of people who feel like government has let them down and don't feel like

they can get the things they need from the people who are managing the city.

FOSTER: Cutting red tape is making efficiencies, isn't it? Making cuts in public organizations. That's not nearly going to be enough, though, is it,

just to cover the rent freeze or the free childcare you just mentioned?

ORESKES: Certainly not.

He's also talked about wanting to raise taxes on corporations and the personal income tax he wants to raise. I think about $11 billion. The

challenge here is these are proposals that run through the state legislature and need to be signed off by the governor, Kathy Hochul, our

governor, much more moderate than Mr. Mamdani. She's from Buffalo.

She's also most significantly up for reelection next year and has really blanched at the idea of raising taxes. At the same time, she has talked a

lot about affordability and very specifically also expanding childcare. So there's a real sense of shared priorities amongst them. So, it will be a

really interesting relationship to watch.

She endorsed him in September after many months of sort of speculation around this. They had several conversations. And so how they work together,

the relationship between the mayor and the governor of New York is, is a tortured one often.

When Andrew Cuomo, who lost to Mamdani in this race, was governor, he had a terrible relationship with the mayor at that time, Bill de Blasio. And a

lot of people think the city suffered for it.

FOSTER: Yeah, because, you know, if he wants to pay for these things, Mamdani could look to federal government and support there. It seems very

unlikely, doesn't it, from Donald Trump, although we have heard, haven't we, today, an openness to helping him after threatening the funding cuts.

He said we want New York to be successful. But do you think he's going to have success getting money from Trump for the projects he's talked about?

ORESKES: I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Obviously, billions and billions of dollars flow from the federal government into New York City.

There's already been a lot of concern about the cuts we've seen to FEMA programs, SNAP benefits. Those are just a couple that come to mind.

I think that Mr. Mamdani has been very open and flexible about how these programs can be paid for. He always says when you ask him, what if you

don't get these taxes? He goes, well, give me a better idea and we'll make it happen.

He's very much focused on outcomes, he will say, But again, this challenge of being able to create the revenue to pay for these enormous expansions of

the social safety net will be the thing to watch over the next couple of months.

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FOSTER: Yeah, it's a huge challenge. But, you know, look at how successful he's been so far. We can't write him off, can we? Certainly not.

Ben Oreskes, appreciate your time.

Now, it is the final moments of trade on Wall Street. Stocks are up. The Dow Jones rebounded today on the back of stronger than expected U.S. jobs

numbers.

This is our business breakout.

Fast food giant McDonald's beat estimates for third quarter global sales. That's partially because affordable meal offers like the $5 menu pulled in

cautious diners. Shares rose 3.5 percent in early trading. This past year, the burger chain rolled out cheaper meal bundles and limited time offers to

offset a slump in restaurant traffic. In Paris, shoppers queued up for the opening of chain's first bricks and mortar store, despite growing

controversy.

The Chinese founded e-commerce giant has faced a new round of criticism over its past sale of child-like sex dolls. Shein says it's now banned. The

sale of those dolls.

Thirty-six days and counting. The U.S. government has entered the longest ever shutdown in its history. Meanwhile, millions of Americans aren't

getting food stamp benefits, and roughly 1.4 million federal employees haven't been paid, even though many are still working.

With Christmas right around the corner, holiday shopping will be faced with -- shoppers rather -- will be facing higher prices on many popular items,

making it tough to stay on budget.

CNN's Michael Yoshida spoke with financial experts on ways that you can be savvy and strategic this holiday season.

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MICHAEL YOSHIDA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tis the season when gift giving can take over our lives.

But with many Americans still worried about rising costs, resale or secondhand shopping is becoming a more popular way for finding value in

meaning and gifts.

ALON ROTEM, CHIEF STRATEGY OFFICER, THREDUP: What we're finding is that consumers are ready to spend nearly 40 percent of their holiday budgets on

second hand, which is up significantly from last year.

YOSHIDA (voice-over): Alon Rotem of ThredUp, an online thrift store, says the stigma around buying second hand is starting to disappear, with it

becoming more mainstream.

ROTEM: Because value is king with consumers, this is a great way for them to extend their dollar and get more for their money.

Secondhand is also a way to sort of cut through the noise of the ordinary and find more unique items, items that tell a story. Items that are more

personal.

YOSHIDA (voice-over): Other ways to save. Start early to take advantage of end of summer clearance sales. Don't wait until Black Friday. Use reward

credit cards. Taking advantage of cash back or points.

And to keep your holiday shopping from turning into a financial horror show, remember, for your debit card, know your balance. Don't overdraft and

suffer fees.

For your credit card, even if you have a high limit, don't spend beyond your budget.

And with buy now, pay later options, try not to use them for discretionary spending that can quickly add up.

CYNTHIA CHEN, CO-FOUNDER & CEO, KIKOFF: Very easy to forget say two out of the 20 small purchases with different payment due dates that you made from

a few months ago. And once you have missed payments, they may get reported to the credit bureaus.

YOSHIDA: And one of the experts we spoke with recommended to use a budgeting app to lay out a clear picture of just how much money you have

coming in and how much you're using on expenses. Then you'll know just how much money may be left over for items and gifts for your friends and

family.

In Washington, I'm Michael Yoshida.

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FOSTER: Israel says it's just received the body of another hostage that was transferred to the Red Cross within Gaza. If identification is confirmed,

that would leave only six hostage families still waiting for the remains of their loved ones.

On Tuesday, Israel said it received the body of the final U.S.-Israeli hostage, Itay Chen. He was an IDF staff sergeant who had been stationed at

the Gaza border on October the 7th.

Journalists, including our own Jeremy Diamond, have repeatedly urged Israel to let them into Gaza without restriction to independently show the rest of

the world what's actually happening there. While we are still waiting for that, Israel has allowed Jeremy and other journalists to embed with the IDF

and visit northern Gaza.

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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: So, we've just arrived at this Israeli military position along the yellow line inside the Gaza Strip. And

you can see all around me the first thing that catches your eye, obviously, is the enormous extent of destruction here.

We are in Gaza City's Shuja'iyya neighborhood, or at least what's left of the Shuja'iyya neighborhood, because you can see that there is almost not a

single building that is still standing in this area. This is about as far as we foreign journalists can get into Gaza right now. The Israeli

military, the Israeli government has only allowed us in in limited circumstances on these types of military embeds.

For more than two years now, Israel has barred foreign journalists from freely entering the Gaza Strip. We would, of course, like to go further

down where there are actually Palestinian civilians, to be able to talk to them directly and cover their experiences. But you can see in this area,

there are no Palestinian civilians, just an established Israeli military position. And so, so much destruction beyond.

Youve taken us on this military embed today, but we as foreign journalists cannot independently access Gaza. We can't cross that yellow line and go

and speak with Palestinian civilians. Why not? The war is over.

LT. COL. NADAV SHOSHANI, INTERNATIONAL SPOKESPERSON, ISRAEL DEFENSE FORCES: Well, that's -- that's a question I think that you should ask people above

my pay grade and I'm in charge of embeds. I'm an IDF spokesperson. I'm in charge to bring reporters to see what IDF is doing. Do my best.

DIAMOND: We asked where exactly that yellow line is, and I was just told that its slightly beyond some of those few remaining buildings that are

still standing there, but it's almost impossible for us to distinguish exactly where that yellow line is. And we know that it's also the case for

the Palestinians on the ground who have been shot at. Some of them have been killed as they have approached or accidentally crossed that invisible

yellow line.

How are Palestinians on the ground supposed to know where that line is?

SHOSHANI: Well, the line was also published publicly, social media, leaflets and so on. But also, our troops are extremely careful. There's

warnings in real time. One does not get lost into IDF fire.

In most cases, the people crossing the yellow line are Hamas. It's not an accident. And when it is civilians in most cases, they are able to move

back.

DIAMOND: But you have -- but the Israeli military has killed civilians who crossed the yellow line accidentally. There was a family that was traveling

in a vehicle. They were fired upon by an Israeli military tank shell. Do you need to revise those policies?

SHOSHANI: Well, it's a work in progress, as I said.

DIAMOND: The Israeli military has begun to deploy these yellow concrete blocks in order to distinguish where exactly that yellow line stands. But

it's still not covering the entirety of that yellow demarcation line.

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We have heard talk, of course, of establishing this international stabilization force.

There are efforts now at the United Nations Security Council to actually establish a resolution that would send that force into Gaza. But for now,

all of that has yet to actually be implemented on the ground. And you can see behind me the enormity of the challenge that remains.

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FOSTER: They really are extraordinary scenes.

Vladimir Putin says that if the U.S. resumes nuclear testing, Russia will, too. Meanwhile, the Russian president is asking government ministers to

submit plans for how nuclear testing would be carried out. It comes after, well, only days after U.S. President Donald Trump said the U.S. would

resume nuclear tests. Neither nation has conducted a test of a nuclear weapon in more than 30 years.

Now, the death toll from a fire at a Bosnian retirement home has risen to 11. Around 30 more people were injured in the blaze, with some said to be

in critical condition. Local media report many of those who died had disabilities and were unable to make it out of the nine-story building.

Authorities say the cause of the fire remains unclear.

Coming up, hear from Prince William about climate and the future as our own Christiane Amanpour sits down with the royal.

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FOSTER: World leaders are heading to Brazil ahead of the upcoming U.N. climate summit there.

Britain's Prince William is there for the conference and to host his own gathering for his annual Earthshot Prize, now in its fifth year.

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PRINCE WILLIAM, GREAT BRITAIN: A world without hope and a world without positivity is a pretty depressing place, and I think it's really important

that we produce solutions. We don't just talk about things all the time. We're actually producing solutions.

And these finalists, these winners are producing solutions that we all need to see in here. Climate anxiety is a real thing. I hear about it wherever I

go now. Lots of younger generation are saying, well, what kind of planet are we going to inherit? And I think that that message needs to go wider

and louder. And the younger generations need to be heard more.

I mean, I had a fantastic session with the youth of all parts of the world, dealing in the environment, and their message was very strong, which is

that please let our voices be heard more, and we don't want to be a box ticked. We want to be heard and heard and seen and listen to.

And again, that inspires me. But I've got to find out ways to help them be seen and heard more, because there's a lot of noise out there, as you

hinted at.

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And we have to find ways for these brilliant people who are going to ultimately save us, and the planet to restore and protect ourselves.

We have to find a way to allow them to be heard more.

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FOSTER: The prince of Wales speaking to Christiane.

Now, finally, tonight, Paris residents are hoping they'll win a new lottery, allowing them to secure a sought after spot at one of France's

most celebrated cemeteries, Pere Lachaise.

Now, while stars like Jim Morrison, Edith Piaf and Oscar Wilde are buried there, it's not an easy place to get a plot. So, Paris is offering ten

spots up for grabs to Parisians. There are also plots in Montparnasse cemetery and in Montmartre cemetery, each existing tomb will be available

to buy for $4,500, though you'll have to restore them, too.

I'm Max Foster. That's what we know.

Stay with CNN. We'll have more after the break.

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