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France And Spain Kick Off In Semifinal Showdown; Trump Walks Back Demand For 20 Percent Strait Of Hormuz Fee; Protests In Maine After ICE Kills Joan Sebastian Guerrero; U.S. Supreme Court Justices Seek More Security Funding; Trump Says He Will Announce "Really Big News" On Thursday Night; Officials: 3,000-Plus Sick From Parasite Outbreak In Michigan & Ohio. Aired 3-4p ET

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MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: I'm Max Foster.

This is WHAT WE KNOW.

Just moments ago, perhaps the most anticipated match in the entire World Cup has kicked off. It is the unstoppable force versus immovable object,

France's electric offense versus Spain's impenetrable defense.

You are looking at live pictures of watch parties in both Paris and Madrid. We'll keep you appraise of what is happening in the match throughout

today's show.

We're going to begin, though, in Washington. Donald Trump reversing course yet again, this time canceling his plan to charge ships a toll to transit

the strait of all news just one day after making the announcement.

Now, the U.S. president had floated a 20 percent fee in exchange for the United States providing security in the strait. That's despite Mr. Trump

himself and his closest aides for months saying the strait should be free of tolls. President Trump is now claiming instead of fees, the Gulf states

will provide investment in the U.S.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't think anybody should be able to charge a fee for the -- for the strait or for any other strait

relationship in terms of other sections of the world. I don't think anybody should be really in that position. But we were doing it as a reimbursement.

The Gulf States are going to invest a tremendous amount of money into the United States, and that was very satisfactory to me. I think it's actually

much better.

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FOSTER: Anna Stewart joins us from London. So what do we know about this deal with the Gulf states? I mean, obviously, we know that they wouldn't

want any tolls along that route.

ANNA STEWART, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, there are a number of questions about this toll, which of course was a very short-lived plan. This was a

very quick turnaround from President Trump. You might think the turnaround was due to the fact that a toll in the strait would likely be illegal,

would almost be unenforceable and would set a really dangerous precedent for bodies of water all over the world.

But instead, President Trump says he was called by different countries, kings and emirs. He mentioned Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and

Kuwait and says instead they're going to make some massive investments of I, quote, billions and billions of dollars into the United States and that

this will be a reimbursement for what he deems to be unfair, the U.S. protecting the Strait of Hormuz and the region, regional waterways for 25

years, he says.

So how much money are we talking about? This is the big question. In May 2025, he actually already says he received $2 trillion worth of investments

from these Gulf States. You'll remember that big tour President Trump did of the region. Those were pledges rather than money in the bank, and it was

very unclear how much of that. It also included things like trade, how many were previous investments.

And again, we don't even have a figure this time and whether this is additional investments to all that has already been announced.

FOSTER: OK. Anna Stewart, thank you so much for that update.

The war with Iran dragging into more and more regional players as well. Kuwait's military says it's currently engaging hostile targets, whilst

Bahrain says it intercepted and destroyed several missiles and drones fired by Iran. And the UAE reports a sailor was killed when two of its tankers

were hit by Iranian missiles. The E.U.'s aviation agency is warning airlines to avoid Gulf States right now, and the U.S. has canceled

appointments at its embassy in the UAE due to the regional security situation.

CNN senior White House reporter Kevin Liptak is with us.

It really feels like we're going backwards all the time on this, Kevin.

KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Yeah, it does, and without a clear pathway out of a war. You know, the president had tried using this

approach earlier on in the conflict, and it didn't necessarily yield to the results he was hoping for, namely concessions on the nuclear program. And

now, he's trying the same thing to try and reopen the Strait of Hormuz, and it's not at all clear why this time will be any different.

You know, we're now about an hour away from the blockade being re-imposed on Iranian ports. Remember, that was sort of the last element of the MOU

that remained intact was lifting the blockade. And you see how that MOU has been coming apart piece by piece. Now the president saying that that

blockade will go back into effect, which will be an enormous undertaking by the American military, which will have to patrol a wide swath of the

Arabian Sea.

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But it's not clear why the president believes it will have the result it did not result in the first time around. And I think you see in all of this

the president really kind of casting about for a way to shake loose some of the morass here. You know, this 24-hour reversal on the 20 percent fee that

he had floated for vessels going through the Strait of Hormuz had caused an enormous amount of scramble both here at the White House among officials

who were not anticipating the president making this announcement and had long said that this would be a violation of international law and working

out how they were going to impose it, you know, even down to which agency would be responsible for levying these fees.

You also saw a scramble among the United States' allies in the Gulf. You know, the president spoke this morning with the emir of Qatar. It was a

condolence call after the death of his father. But this issue of the 20 percent fee was also raised in that conversation. And you saw very quickly

afterwards the president backtracking.

Now, whether these investments that the president claims these countries will be making are new or part of those $2 billion investments that they

had already committed remains to be seen. But I think what you see in all of this is the president really struggling to come up with a plan to

extricate the U.S. from this war. You see instead the president committing the U.S. to patrolling the strait and patrolling this blockade in a way

that does not have at least a clear resolution in the near term.

And so it all adds up to a very complicated strategic impasse, I think, for the president to try and navigate his way out of. And so far, despite

hearing from the president over many consecutive days, failing to articulate what exactly that pathway will look like for now -- Max.

FOSTER: OK, Kevin Liptak at the White House, thank you for that.

Now, after two fatal shootings in less than a week, the U.S. Immigration Enforcement Agency appears to be switching tactics now. A source says ICE

agents have been directed to suspend most vehicle stops until further notice. It comes just a day after Joan Sebastian Guerrero, a 26-year-old

from Colombia, was shot and killed during an operation in Maine. And in Texas, local authorities are investigating the ICE killing of Mexican

Lorenzo Salgado Araujo last week.

ICE's parent agency, the Department of Homeland Security, says agents weren't issued body cameras in either shooting.

Now, protesters are out in Texas over last week's death of a Mexican national during a traffic stop in Houston this hour. Demonstrators at a

public city council meeting are expected to demand an independent investigation of ICE and the events surrounding the deadly shooting.

Carolina Peguero joins us now from Houston, Texas. Carolina, there does seem to be a reverse in policy here.

Is this some sort of acceptance that this ICE operation just isn't working?

CAROLINA PEGUERO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, well, there is definitely pressure that continues to mount across the country here in the United

States, and specifically here in the city of Houston, where we are seeing community members, residents that are walking in to the city call waiting

to go through security to attend this public city council hearing where there will be city council members, the mayor of Houston, John Whitmire,

and where there will be some of the residents that will be able to tell their remarks that will be able to express their frustration and they're

just seeking answers. They want to know more about this case. They want to know what happened during those moments leading up to Lorenzo Salgado's

shooting by an ICE agent during a ICE operation, but he was not the targeted person.

So we have heard state and elected officials also demanding answers all the way up to Congress and in Washington, D.C.

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REP. JOAQUIN CASTRO (D-TX): We are confronted once again with the fact that ICE has become, under Donald Trump, an abusive and rogue agency that should

be broken up and disbanded. In Lorenzo's case, they literally have not released a shred of evidence to support their claim that he was a danger to

them. They were a danger to him. They were a danger to the Latino community. And all of this is driven by a racial animus out of the White

House.

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PEGUERO: And the deaths of these two immigrants with one Colombian, Joan Sebastian Guerrero and Mexican Lorenzo Salgado, who has caused frustration

across the country.

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Like I've mentioned, now it's expected for there to be protests later today. In the meantime, the family is also asking for an independent

investigation and the district attorney here in the county of Harris has also expressed his frustration. He says that federal agencies are resisting

and collaborating with them in their independent and parallel investigation to theirs, and they don't know the identities of the ICE agents that were

involved in this incident -- Max.

FOSTER: Carolina Peguero, appreciate it. Thank you for joining us from there in Houston.

Now, in a rare appearance, two members of the U.S. Supreme Court are on Capitol Hill. Justices Elena Kagan and Amy Coney Barrett are telling a

Senate panel about rising threats against the court and their families. They're asking lawmakers for tens of millions of dollars in additional

funding.

This morning, before a US House committee, Barrett offered an account of how security issues are impacting her personal life.

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AMY CONEY BARRETT, U.S. SUPREME COURT ASSOCIATE JUSTICE: They have required me to, my children, to think about and see things that children should not

have to see or think about.

One example is when threats to my life were particularly intense a few years ago, around the time of the Dobbs leak, my security details sent me

home with a bulletproof vest. And I carried it into my house, put it into my bedroom, dropped it down on a table, turned around, and my 12-year-old

son was standing in the doorway of my bedroom.

And he wanted to know what it was and why I had it. And I didn't know how to respond, because maybe I lack imagination, but I didn't expect that

performing this service was going to put me in the position of explaining to my children what a bulletproof vest was and why I had to wear one.

Now, the threats are constant, and they are always there. And so it's necessary now in daily activities, unfortunately. I honestly feel like, for

the sake of my privacy, I wish it weren't so.

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FOSTER: Last hour, CNN's chief Supreme Court analyst Joan Biskupic explained how that testimony landed and the significance of the justices

speaking there on the Hill.

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JOAN BISKUPIC, CNN CHIEF SUPREME COURT ANALYST: That was probably the most compelling moment just because of how personal it was to her. And I should

add, Amy Coney Barrett happens to be raising seven children and she gave another episode that involved another one of her sons opening the front

door, getting ready to go out with friends and seeing all these police officers out in front. The family had been a victim of a SWAT -- swatting

episode. You know, when somebody had called and reported some sort of violence going on inside the home, it was a false report, but yet obviously

very disruptive to the justice and to her children.

So, you know, she was a she was a good messenger for asking for more security funds for the court. The Supreme Court is asking for a budget of

228 million. A hefty amount of that would go toward security, increased security for the justices personal protection at their homes when they

travel for an improved screening entryway for the court building itself, and then also for cybersecurity, just because of the ongoing threats in all

that area. So the security questions took up a big chunk of this morning's session at the U.S. House starting in just a few minutes, there'll be

another hearing before the Senate where these two justices, liberal Elena Kagan and conservative Amy Coney Barrett, will be trying to enlist Senate

support for security, but also to explain some of their procedures.

I should say, during the Q&A earlier today, there were a lot of questions about how they handle emergency petitions that are sometimes referred to as

on the shadow docket, when the justices just dispense with a case without having full briefing and oral arguments. Those have become rather

controversial, because in so many of those cases, this court has sided with President Trump in some of his boldest initiatives.

There was questions about that, and also questions about ethics and transparency that the justices tried to answer. So, you know, it was a -- I

have to say that, given that no Supreme Court justice had come up to the Hill since 2019 to testify, it was a wonderful opportunity just to hear

from two of them off the bench, outside of those black robes, and to just hear more about how they do their work and their concerns. And there was a

-- there were a lot of very good questions this morning, and I expect the same this afternoon.

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FOSTER: Joan Biskupic there.

Now, still to come tonight, two fatal ICE shootings, just days apart, shining a harsh new spotlight on the U.S. immigration crackdown. We'll look

at how ICE is responding now.

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FOSTER: French President Emmanuel Macron wanted his final Bastille Day as president to make a big impression, and he did. Leaders from all over

Europe, including Germany and Ukraine, joined Mr. Macron as he presided over the annual military parade. A record 6,800 troops marched down the

Champs-Elysees to commemorate the pivotal uprising in 1789 that marked the beginning of the French Revolution.

The Bastille Day celebrations were also meant to show European unity as the war in Ukraine rages on. Five hundred soldiers from the Coalition of the

Willing joined the annual National Day parade on the Champs-Elysees, among them 25 from Ukraine. This comes a day after many of the leaders from the

coalition gathered in Paris.

CNN's Clare Sebastian has more.

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CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That was that very overt show of force in Paris, as you see a show of force and unity. President Macron, of

course, using the Bastille Day celebrations to showcase Europe's sort of increasing resolve to take charge of its own defense amid the U.S., of

course, stepping back.

But amid that, Ukraine facing what it said was its fifth assault by Russia involving ballistic missiles this month alone. So the frequency of that

does seem to be going up. Now it was able to avert, shoot down or suppress five out of the eight ballistic missiles used according to the Air Force.

It has not been able to do so in some of the recent attacks.

So what we're in now is a race against time, Ukraine and its allies racing to beef up Ukraine's defenses, as it's clear that Russia is in escalation

mode. On Monday, they announced this coalesce anti-ballistic missile coalition. The core of that is to come together, Ukraine and its allies, to

build what would be a cheaper alternative, a cheaper European alternative, to the Patriot system.

President Zelenskyy has also called for a winter air defense package involving some 300 Patriot interceptors.

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That is a huge number, especially given that the effective collapse of the ceasefire with Iran will put even more strain on U.S. stockpiles. So this

really is a race against time. And I think, look, the sort of concentrating the minds around Ukraine, putting forward this package to what it says

would be to what will be its fifth winter at war and all the while we see from Russia's signals that it's not backing down from its maximalist goals

and that it is in the mood to escalate here.

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FOSTER: Well, as we told you earlier, Immigration and Customs Enforcement in the U.S. is being directed to change tactics. A source says ICE agents

have been largely -- have been directed to largely suspend vehicle stops until further notice. They say agents have been told to work with partner

agencies to conduct a stop with a warrant.

This follows deadly shootings in Maine and Texas, which involved vehicle stops.

What we want to know is, will ICE change course after these deadly shootings more permanently?

Joining us now is Deborah Fleischaker. She was Executive Secretary at the Department of Homeland Security and is now an advisor to the civil rights

group Unidos.

Thank you so much for joining us. How do you see this U-turn that we've had from ICE agents and these stops, which they're no longer doing? Is that an

admission of some sort of failure here?

DEBORAH FLEISCHAKER, SENIOR ADVISOR, IMMIGRATION POLICY AND STRATEGY FOR UNIDOSUS: I wouldn't call it a stop. I'd call it a speed bump. They have

temporarily stopped the vehicle, the vehicle arrests, while they do -- while they retrain. It's not a change of policy. It's not a change in

tactics. It's not a change in approach. The mass deportation agenda continues unabated. It is just a probably very temporary cessation of the

vehicle stops.

FOSTER: Just explain to us what happened here, because there's a lot of concern, isn't there, that there weren't any cameras on any of the agents.

How unusual is that?

FLEISCHAKER: I wish it was less unusual. Secretary Mullin promised to provide body-worn cameras to all of the agents in his confirmation

hearings. It's pretty clear he hasn't done that. The shooting in Texas does not appear that there were body-worn cameras. The shooting in Maine, there

may have been body-worn cameras, but even if there were, it's not clear that they were on, which is at least as important as having them.

So this is a problem. The department and ICE have had more than enough money and more than enough time to provide body-worn cameras to all of

their agents and to instruct them when and how to use them. The fact that they haven't done that tells me that they don't actually prioritize it.

FOSTER: But obviously, a lot of the protesters against all of these raids, they become suspicious in this situation, don't they? Because then it

becomes one person's word against someone else's without that sort of evidence. And it just fuels the suspicion of what's going on with these

raids.

FLEISCHAKER: I think this is a problem. I mean, this is the department that's cried wolf. They've told stories that have proven to be untrue over

and over and over again. They're saying things that later footage that comes out shows is incorrect. And so it becomes very difficult to take the

department at its word right now, because they have not proven to be honest narrators.

FOSTER: How involved do you think President Trump is in all of these decisions? Presumably it's such a politically sensitive issue, these

changes in policy, you know, would have gone past him. Can we assume that?

FLEISCHAKER: I'm not sure that we can assume that. I think the president has put an enormous amount of trust in Stephen Miller. I'm sure that

Stephen Miller knew that there was going to be a change, but it sounds like the temporary stop and retraining came from Secretary Mullin. I have no

idea how much higher up that went.

FOSTER: And you've seen the protests starting to gather, or at least there's some sort of demonstrations in various forms in different parts of

the U.S. How concerned are you that they won't be able to stop the momentum here?

FLEISCHAKER: The momentum for what, right? I mean, look, I think --

FOSTER: These protests, yeah.

FLEISCHAKER: I think that Americans should be very concerned at what they're seeing. I don't think that this is the way immigration enforcement

is intended to be conducted. ICE has an important mission. What they're doing right now is not it.

They are part of keeping the country safe. And the way they are conducting their operations now is making us less safe, not more safe.

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I think people are right to be concerned about that and right to demand change.

FOSTER: Do you think there's going to be any broader shifts in policy here? Would that be too much of a climb down for the administration to withdraw

this broad ICE policy on dealing with illegal immigrants?

FLEISCHAKER: I would like nothing more than to see the administration walk back its mass deportation agenda. But I've seen no indication that it is

intending to do that. We saw enormous overreach earlier with the surges in cities culminating in the surge in Minneapolis with Renee Good and Alex

Pretti's death. They walked that back only after the enormous outcry.

They have continued the mass deportation campaign. But they've been doing it out of sight. They've been doing it more quietly. And we now see that

they're still not doing it well. They're still making mistakes. They're still going for volume, not quality, of arrests. And they need to change

approach. The issue is that the administration has shown no desire to do that. And Congress hasn't shown any desire to force them to do that.

FOSTER: OK, Deborah Fleischaker, I really appreciate your analysis on this very-- sensitive and live issue in the United States right now. Thank you.

FLEISCHAKER: Thank you.

FOSTER: Well, as Deborah was speaking, we had a goal in the Spain-France World Cup semi. So those two countries were going pretty wild at the time.

Live pictures from Madrid right now, as things calm down slightly after that goal. Spain penalty kick. It was a Spain penalty kick in the end. And

they are ahead, but it's early days, and that match will keep you updated.

That's Paris. I'm sorry. Shouldn't be able to tell. That's Paris.

Still to come, Donald Trump teases a big announcement. It's coming on Thursday. What we know exactly about that next.

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FOSTER: So what we don't know is, why is Donald Trump trying to change the subject to elections amid all of the other issues facing the country?

Joining us now is David Graham, staff writer at "The Atlantic".

Thank you for joining us.

I mean, first of all, the premise of that. Is he trying to change the subject?

DAVID GRAHAM, AUTHOR, "THE PROJECT": Well, in some ways, yes. I think he would rather not be talking about the war on Iran or about the economy. But

on the other hand, this is also a topic that is near and dear to him, something he's been talking about on and off for months, if not years. And

he seems to be determined to cast doubt on November's elections, and I think this is part of that longer-term effort.

FOSTER: I mean, he's really heralded this moment. It's a statement to the nation. But, you know, he's had similar announcements where he hasn't

really said anything significant. Do you think he is this time?

GRAHAM: I guess never say never. I want to see what evidence he claims he's going to put up. But this is -- you know, the 2020 election is the most

studied and scrutinized election in American history. We have had endless recounts, endless forensic investigations, journalistic investigations,

governmental investigations, and none of these has turned up anything like the kind of large-scale fraud that Trump has alleged.

There are always occasional instances of improper voting, but nothing on the scale that would change the election. And it's hard to believe that at

this stage, he will be able to produce something that actually represents that. To me, it sounds more like the sort of puffery that Trump has always

indulged in as a kind of salesman and showman.

FOSTER: But what sort of change is he looking for to reach these free and fair elections he's talking about? What do you think he's going to try and

change?

GRAHAM: I see a couple of things. On the one hand, Trump has tried a series of steps that would give the president more control over elections through

various steps. He's tried to take power from state election authorities. He has tried to assert power through the U.S. Postal Service, through a little

known body called the Election Assistance Commission.

There's a bunch of these things. He also wants Congress to pass a big law that would overhaul elections. He's not had a lot of success in getting

those things to work because he doesn't have statutory power, because courts have blocked him, because Congress has not acted.

So, I think there's a secondary goal. And that is to sow doubt about the upcoming elections, where he expects his party will do poorly, which maybe

would allow him to, say they were rigged, try to refuse to seat members of Congress. It's not really clear what. But I do think that part of the goal

is to create doubts in the electorate.

FOSTER: Yeah, that's an interesting thought, isn't it? But we've just seen the Iran situations blow up. But again, it's all going backwards very

quickly, isn't it? Oil prices are on the way up.

And as I understand it, a lot of Americans are less concerned about what's happening in Iran, much more focused on what's happening at home. And if

the gas prices come up, it's all connected, isn't it? Is there a frustration, do you think, amongst voters that he is spending too much

money and time on foreign policy and not on the issues that really matter to them?

GRAHAM: Yeah, I think there is a great deal of frustration among voters, and for that matter, among Republicans who are hoping to get reelected. You

know, I think American voters are, to some extent, willing to overlook what's going on abroad if it doesn't affect them, but once it starts

affecting the prices they pay, especially at the gas pump, but in other places, too, I think it becomes a real issue in domestic elections.

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And so, there's a little bit of an irony. At the same time, Trump is taking these steps that he claims are going to safeguard the 2026 elections. He's

doing things that will make it much harder for his party to succeed in those elections.

FOSTER: And how are the elections looking? What are the latest poll numbers suggesting? And away from the poll numbers, really, what's your feeling

about the midterms?

GRAHAM: I mean, the closer we get to the midterms, the more reliable these numbers are. And they are all consistent, that they show Democrats with an

edge. And that edge seems to be growing.

I think Democrats have the edge in the House, clearly. They have the edge to win some governorships. The real question is the Senate, which looks

like it could be very close and will depend a lot on individual factors.

But the tone you hear from, even from Republicans, is one of resignation. They understand that they're going to do poorly, and what they would like

to do is limit the damage and hope that they do not as poorly as they might otherwise.

FOSTER: David Graham, really appreciate you, as ever, joining us on the show for all of that U.S. analysis. Thank you.

Now, it is the final moments of trade on Wall Street. Stocks are struggling for direction despite some positive economic data, the Dow being held back

by some huge losses for IBM and all of those Middle Eastern issues.

This is our Business Breakout.

Inflation in the U.S. came down sharply last month. Prices rose 3.5 percent in June, which is a lower number than economists were expecting. Falling

gas prices helped keep inflation in check as the United States and Iran reached a deal on ending the war. However, price is back on the rise, of

course, since those strikes resumed.

It's been a good quarter for Wall Street. Five of the biggest banks in the United States all reported earnings this morning, and all five of them took

huge profits in Q2. Investors were most impressed by Goldman Sachs, whose profits were up 78 percent. Goldman shares currently up more than seven

percent.

Not such a good day, though, for IBM. The tech company is actually on pace for the worst day in its 115-year history after a grim warning from its

CEO. Shares are down more than 20 percent after Arvind Krishna said the company had been struggling in recent months. He says the company hasn't

adapted well enough to customers' demand for A.I.

The new head of the Federal Reserve says he wants to get rid of politics inside the U.S. Central Bank. Kevin Walsh was on Capitol Hill for his first

major testimony since becoming the Fed chair. He was asked repeatedly about U.S. President Donald Trump's influence on the Fed, but insisted that he

would be independent.

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NYDIA VELAZQUEZ, U.S. HOUSE DEMOCRAT: What steps would you take if the president or others in the administration target you or your fellow

governors? Because he doesn't like how many of them are voting on interest rate policy.

KEVIN WARSH, CHAIR, U.S. FEDERAL RESERVE: So it's not my intuition to engage in hypotheticals, but I'll tell you this. The Supreme Court said --

VELAZQUEZ: That's an easy way out.

WARSH: The Supreme Court said that the Federal Reserve, in the conduct of monetary policy, is independent. To the extent there were questions about

it, the courts answered those questions.

VELAZQUEZ: So what would you do?

WARSH: I would continue to do my job.

VELAZQUEZ: Okay, good.

Chair Warsh, do you agree that current monetary policy exists in an extremely polarized and politicized environment?

WARSH: Outside the four walls of the Federal Reserve, there's no doubt a lot of politics. But my goal inside the Central Bank is for there to be no

politics, to the extent there's politics there, we're going to get rid of them.

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FOSTER: Still to come, thousands of Americans are getting sick from a parasite outbreak. Details ahead on the food that might be the culprit.

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FOSTER: Investigation over the parasitic outbreak in the U.S. Health officials saying the outbreak caused by the parasitic cyclospora has been

sickened -- has now sickened more than 3,000 people in Michigan and Ohio. Michigan's chief medical executive, whom I'll be speaking with in just a

moment, says that early information suggests that lettuce or salad greens may be the source.

CNN's Jacqueline Howard reports.

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JACQUELINE HOWARD, CNN HEALTH REPORTER: Health officials in Michigan say that they are zeroing in on lettuce or salad greens as a potential source

of the outbreak of cyclospora cases that they're seeing in their state now. They also say that other foods cannot be completely ruled out and their

investigation is ongoing. They also mentioned that no specific grower or specific supplier has been identified yet, but this is significant progress

in their investigation in a state where more than 2,600 people have gotten sick with cyclospora infections, and among them at least 44 people have

been hospitalized.

And while this outbreak in Michigan is getting a lot of attention, separately, there have been separate cases of cyclospora that have been

reported across more than half of states in the U.S., 31 states total have reported cases so far recently this summer.

And we do know the symptoms to watch for include watery diarrhea. That's the most common. Sometimes it's explosive diarrhea, cramping, bloating,

loss of appetite, nausea, fatigue. For many people who do end up hospitalized. It's usually because those symptoms have led to dehydration.

Now this infection, it can be treated with a combination antibiotic, but of course you want to avoid getting sick in the first place. In the state of

Michigan, health officials have recommended to reduce the risk. You can purchase whole heads of lettuce and discard those outer layers, thoroughly

wash those inner layers, and they also say to prioritize cooking your greens if you can.

Again, we do know that in some cases people can become infected by ingesting contaminated food. That's food that may be contaminated with

feces, so thoroughly washing your fresh produce is significantly important to reduce your risk.

Back to you.

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FOSTER: We're going to get more on this outbreak. Let's bring in Dr. Natasha Bagdasarian, chief medical executive in the state of Michigan.

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Really appreciate your time and know how busy you are at the moment.

I was interested in our report there, how the map of the U.S., there's lots of cases. There have been lots of cases across the United States, which

maybe doesn't suggest this is coming from one supplier. So what sort of investigations are you having to do here?

DR. NATASHA BAGDASARIAN, CHIEF MEDICAL EXECUTIVE, STATE OF MICHIGAN: Well, as of this morning, we actually have over 3,300 cases in Michigan alone,

and we've interviewed about 1,000 of those individuals. So we've done in- depth food histories looking at where they've eaten, what restaurants, fast food places, and where they grocery shops. And one of the things that has

come up over and over again is lettuce. So lettuce does seem to be one of our early indicators as a possible source.

Now, that doesn't rule other things out. And we know that a lot of the lettuce suppliers supply their produce regionally or even nationally. So

it's possible that some of these cases in other states are linked here to Michigan.

FOSTER: So what are you doing, going to those suppliers and testing them? How does it work?

BAGDASARIAN: Well, we can only do whatever we can here in the state of Michigan. We don't have access to other states' data. So we're really

counting on our federal partners at the CDC and FDA to do that type of investigation. And hopefully, more information will be coming from them

soon.

FOSTER: Are they doing it?

BAGDASARIAN: Well, you know, I think people are doing the best they can in a very difficult environment. In 2025 and 2026, we saw federal cuts to

public health. Those trickled down and impacted us here at the state and even at local levels. So people are doing the best they can in a very

difficult financial and staffing environment.

FOSTER: I understand that, but, you know, budgets are needed, aren't they, in emergency situations like this, because you have to act swiftly.

But, these cuts at the federal level are causing a problem, aren't they?

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FOSTER: Because that's -- yeah, you know, because the way the United States operates, of course, is you've got these regional bodies, but they do have

to be coordinated at the federal level, and that's tough when they don't have the right resources.

BAGDASARIAN: Well, most of our funding here at the state level does come from our colleagues at the CDC. And then we distribute a lot of our funding

down to the local level. So we need that funding. We need that infrastructure at the national level to remain strong.

And we're not only dealing with cyclospora, we're dealing with outbreaks of measles and mumps and pertussis. We're also doing symptom monitoring for

people who are returning from countries with Ebola. So there is a lot of demands on public health right now. And, you know, financial resources are

be stretched.

FOSTER: What's your concern? Because all these illnesses do have a tipping point, don't they? So how do you monitor that? And at what point do you get

very concerned that it's very hard for you to control it with just one state's resources?

BAGDASARIAN: Well, in terms of what we're doing here, we've issued guidance and we've issued specific recommendations around how to handle your

produce. But we know that the incubation period for cyclospora is quite long. It can be up to two weeks. So the cases that are being reported to us

today, they're likely individuals who are exposed to cyclospora two weeks ago, maybe even longer.

So it's going to take some time for our input, for our recommendations to really have any impact. It's possible that the contaminated produce is

already gone from shelves. But again, that delay could mean that we're seeing cases now. So we are watching very closely.

We're making sure that the numbers aren't growing too much. But yes, this is concerning.

FOSTER: Yeah, absolutely. Natasha Bagdasarian, really appreciate you joining us at such a busy time. And thank you for bringing us the

perspective on that.

Still to come, then there were four, the first of the World Cup semifinals happening right now. France and Spain battle for a chance to win it all. An

update on who scored so far, and who nearly scored as well when we come back.

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FOSTER: It is Les Bleu vs. La Roja. France and Spain are battling right now in an eagerly anticipated World Cup semi-final. It was Spain who struck

first as team superstar Lamine Yamal was fouled in the box, leading to a penalty kick goal by Mikel Oyarzabal. Spain leads France 1-0 with just

going into halftime as well.

World Sport's Amanda Davies has been tracking all the action.

There were some other chances as well, weren't there, Amanda?

Yeah, there were indeed, Max. I mean, this is a game that has so much history, so much rivalry, very much three tournament favorites going in

head to head for a place in the big one. The final in New York, New Jersey on Sunday and a lot was made in the build up to this match about the fact

that for all France's recent history, this being their third straight World Cup semifinal, it is the European champion Spain who's got the better of

their two previous meetings in the European Championship semifinal in 2024 and then the nation league last year.

Didier Deschamps, the France coach, was very keen to point out that he felt his side had been playing at a different level so far in this tournament

and you have to agree with him, but all it takes at this stage of these tournaments are the little moments and you have to say it is France who

have very much -- it is Spain who have very much had the better of those so far that really rash high tackle you mentioned from Lucas Digne, very much

hip height on Lamine Yamal. Mikel Oyarzabal stepping up to take the penalty was very, very impressive, showing no nerves at all to score his fifth goal

of the tournament.

And then more bad news for France. William Saliva going off injured before the break.

Spain have been steadily improving as we've gone through this tournament, perhaps with the exception of that opening game against Cape Verde where

they were held to that surprise at nil-nil draw. A lot of people likening them to Spain's only World Cup winning team of 2010. This is their first

semifinal since then.

And you've got to say, Max, with 45 minutes to go, they definitely have the better of it and have one foot in that decider.

FOSTER: Second-half to go. It's truly amazing.

Amanda, thank you so much for joining us.

Over to the England camp now, Captain Harry Kane dismissing any suggestion of a rift between manager Thomas Tuchel and star midfielder Jude

Bellingham. This after Bellingham appeared unimpressed with the manager's criticism of England's performance in their quarter-final win over Norway.

Thomas Tuchel and star midfielder Jude Bellingham.

This after Bellingham appeared unimpressed with the manager's criticism of England's performance in their quarter-final win over Norway. Kane said the

squad is completely together, heading into tomorrow's semifinal against Argentina, playing, of course, either France or Spain.

Finally tonight, Norway's World Cup run may have come to an end, but heartbreak has turned to celebration as the national team arrived home to a

hero's welcome on Monday. More than 100,000 fans greeted them at the royal palace in Oslo. And of course, they did it. Norway celebrating its best

World Cup ever, reaching the quarterfinal and launching a global craze without a Viking road cheer.

And Norwegian superstar scorer Erling Haaland showed off a souvenir from his time in the U.S., a stuffed raccoon. he bought at a store in Dallas.

The Raccoon sells for $750. And the store says that after Harlan bought one, they're now all sold out.

I'm Max Foster. That's WHAT WE KNOW. Stay with CNN. More after the break.

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