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Presidential Candidates: Making the Grade; Anger and Violence Continues on Nairobi Streets

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JIM CLANCY, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Two move to the top and two drop out. The first test of a long campaign narrows the field of U.S. presidential hopefuls.
COLLEEN MCEDWARDS, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: A record turnout changes the race to the White House.

I'm Colleen McEdwards in Des Moines, Iowa, where voters are passing the baton to New Hampshire.

CLANCY: Also coming up, a pop star's standoff. Police escort Britney Spears to the hospital after a three-hour custody dispute.

And a Wall Street retreat. Stocks sliding after the Labor Department delivers bad news for American workers.

It's high noon in New York and on Wall Street, 11:00 in the morning in Des Moines.

Hello and welcome to our report seen around the globe.

I'm Jim Clancy.

From Los Angeles to Lisbon to London, wherever you are watching, this is YOUR WORLD TODAY.

In almost a blink of an eye, the race for the White House taking a new dynamic and the winners of the Iowa caucuses aren't letting their momentum slip away for even a second.

Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee are campaigning in New Hampshire right now. That, of course, the site of the second presidential contest. Of course, so are most of the candidates who lost Iowa, but say they have plenty of time to retake the lead.

Now, we're in both states this day. We have Colleen McEdwards there in Des Moines. We have got Richard Roth up in New Hampshire, and he's going to be the subject of our first discussion here.

Because, Richard, the question now is, what does Iowa mean there where you are?

RICHARD ROTH, CNN SR. U.N. CORRESPONDENT: Well, I talked to several people in a diner this morning, a diner that's been here longer than the primary season, and many of the people there said we're going to be the state to make the final decision, not Iowa. They are a very contrarian state here, they like to go their own way, as Senator Edwards mentioned upon arrival today. So, they understand what happened in Iowa, many said it's exciting, but they'll make their own decision here.




ROTH: The candidates are now fanning out across the state, Jim, and Obama is likely going to receive a very nice reception from Independents who powered John McCain to a victory in 2000 by 20 points over George Bush. Independents here, Jim, can vote for either Republicans or Democrats. They'll have to choose perhaps between Obama and John McCain.

But there is expected to be a record turnout here. Some of the same enthusiasm seen in Iowa will be here in New Hampshire -- Jim.

CLANCY: All right. Richard, stay right where you are.

Colleen, one of the amazing things that we saw last night was the energy and enthusiasm of the people who went to those caucuses. The caucus process itself a real test, but they came out, especially on the Democratic side.

Lots of energy. What does it mean?

MCEDWARDS: Yes, they came out in droves, especially on the Democratic side. If you talk to the Democrats, they say that's good for the November election and bad for the Republicans. But you know, that could be spin as well.

Bottom line is a lot of people came out, a lot of people braved the cold, and the people of Iowa have made their first mark on this presidential race. Let's round up how it looks here on the Republican side.

Mike Huckabee waking up this morning at the top of the Republican heap. As we know, he took 34 percent of the vote, handily beating second place finisher Mitt Romney, who had 25 percent.

Senator John McCain, former senator and actor Fred Thompson tying for third place, 13 percent each. The long shot candidate, former Texas congressman Ron Paul, coming in fourth with 10 percent. That trumps former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani, who took just 4 percent of the vote, but wasn't spending a lot of time in Iowa. He's got his sights set on Florida, and is already in that state looking ahead.

Now, on the Democratic side, the undisputed champion, Barack Obama, 38 percent of caucus-goers throwing their support behind him. Former U.S. senator John Edwards a surprise second, just under 30 percent, finishing really in a virtual tie with Senator Hillary Clinton. Third, at over 29 percent. New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson fourth, with just over 2 percent. And senators Joe Biden and Christopher Dodd are dropping out. They had a dismal showing in Iowa last night.

And coming up later here in the program we're going to sort a little bit of this out in more detail with a special guest, a political reporter, David Yepsen, who's with "The Des Moines Register."

How does this vote in Iowa, how do the results shape the rest of the campaign? I'll have that coming up in just a few moments here on YOUR WORLD TODAY.

Also want to tell you about this as well. As the race for the White House race is long, CNN is certainly your sure bet for complete coverage.

Starting just a couple of hours from now on CNN International, Jon Mann is going to host a new weekly show. "The Campaign Trail" will wrap the week in U.S. politics. This week, of course, he will be talking about the Iowa results and what happens after Iowa.

Much more just ahead here on YOUR WORLD TODAY.

Jim, back to you.

CLANCY: All right, Colleen. We'll be looking for that.

Colleen is coming back with us in a few minutes.

But Richard, before I let you go, it was all about change, it seemed like, in Iowa, but today I'm just wondering, any international issues that are going to be out there in New Hampshire, or perhaps it's going to be all about the economy, what we're watching right now on Wall Street and with jobs?

ROTH: I think so. You hear people talk about taxes and the economy, though this state of New Hampshire has done well. Not much talk about Iraq. When you sample opinions here, quite a change from a few weeks ago.

People still will be concerned about terrorism. John McCain may profit from that.

Mike Huckabee, the Republican winner in Iowa, will be talking about taxes here. He proposes more of a fair tax, a different system. In New Hampshire, there's no personal state income tax and no sales tax. They don't want to hear about tax changes or adding to their burden here. That may not play as well.

There aren't as many evangelicals here also as there are in Iowa. The Christian support will be lower for Huckabee. He's broadening his message. The ads are not saying "Christian leader." Now it's "proven leader."

CLANCY: Proven leader. You know, Hillary Clinton, this had to be a stunner for her last night. Is she still looking as strong as she was in New Hampshire?

ROTH: Well, she has to hope she can do what her husband did and even better 17 years ago, 16 years ago, when Bill Clinton was the "comeback kid" he labeled himself, even though he lost considerably to a Massachusetts senator. Hillary has her work cut out. And as one reporter for the local newspaper her said, she's got just four days to do something about it.

CLANCY: All right. Richard Roth, you try to stay warm there. And we will be talking to you in the coming days about what's going on in New Hampshire.

Important vote there, too.

Let's check some of the other stories that are making news right now around the world.


CLANCY: Tensions still high in Kenya over the presidential election there. The opposition now demanding a new vote. The government says that smacks of blackmail. The city of Nairobi has been mostly calm today, but hundreds have been killed since the election.

Kenya's electoral commission declared President Mwai Kibaki as the winner of the poll. The opposition, of course, there was widespread fraud and vote-rigging.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu has met with both sides in the dispute. Tutu will have a tough time bringing the two sides together if the violence in Nairobi is any indication. Now, that violence and anger seems unlikely to subside anytime soon.

Neil Connery is in the Kenyan capital.


NEIL CONNERY, REPORTER, ITV NEWS (voice over): On the outskirts of Kenya's capital, they protested in the only way they were allowed to. Thousands trying to make it to the opposition rally, blocked by a wall of armed police.

(on camera): It's 10:00 in the morning and these demonstrators are determined to get to the center of Nairobi for this rally. They have been stopped by the police and are now setting these tires alight. There is a real sense of anger on the streets here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have suffered enough!

CONNERY: Are you worried about what could happen to you? Are you frightened?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. One, what you have to -- if you want to fight for democratic -- for your rights, you have to fight -- what you have to agree on is death.

CONNERY: And you are prepared to die?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Yes. Look at them. They are well armed. And look at me. Nothing I have to fight with.

CONNERY (voice over): The tribal violence, sparked off by this disputed presidential election, continues. On the edge of Nairobi, one man is set upon by a machete-wielding gang. He cannot escape and is hacked to death.

In the grounds of the hospital we found George Unango (ph). He was also attacked by a gang with machetes for being the wrong tribe, but managed to flee.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm so frightened. But someone coming behind (INAUDIBLE). So they just (INAUDIBLE).

CONNERY: Elsewhere, we came across another family plunged into grief. This man's son was electrocuted by overhead cables dislodged when police fired on demonstrators trying to get to the opposition rally. His body lies where he fell.

This is a tense and testing time. The policing tactics used today prevented thousands of demonstrators from making it to the center of Nairobi for the rally, but the opposition leader says he and his supporters may try again tomorrow. With no sign of compromise, Archbishop Desmond Tutu flew in to try to encourage talks.

DESMOND TUTU, NOBEL PEACE LAUREATE: We've come as members of the church, you know, to support our sisters and brothers here in the effort that they have been making to be mediators.

CONNERY: But Kenya's crisis continues to grow, and so, too, the bloodshed. This beacon of stability in African is threatening to unravel with unimaginable consequences.


CLANCY: All right. We're going to take a short break here on YOUR WORLD TODAY.

You know, they say that when you're up it's a long way down. And it's been a long but swift fall for Britney Spears.

Coming up, the former pop princess finds herself on the wrong end of the law again. We've got the latest on her latest issue.

U.S. stocks down as well. Weak job growth and high unemployment add up to stumbling stocks.

MCEDWARDS: Well, Iowa speaks and the whole world listens, at least for a while, anyway.

I'm Colleen McEdwards in Des Moines. We've got the results form the Iowa caucuses, and we're digging a little bit deeper into what it all means.

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SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When the world sees America differently and America sees itself as a nation less divided and more united, you'll be able to look back with pride and say that this was the moment when it all began.


CLANCY: A little taste of the politics of Thursday night.

Welcome back to CNN International and YOUR WORLD TODAY. And a special welcome to all of you, our viewers joining us in the United States this hour.

Let's go back to Iowa now and get a little bit of a closer look at the dramatic results from last night's caucuses.

Colleen McEdwards joins us now with more on that.

Great to see you again, Colleen, up there in the crisp, cold air of Iowa.

MCEDWARDS: Yes, it's another chilly day, Jim. Thanks a lot.

And it was an exciting night. The heat really turned up on some of these establishment candidates, that's for sure.

And joining me now to talk more about this, David Yepsen. He's a political reporter with "The Des Moines Register" who's watching this unfold all night last night and had some interesting things to say.

Wow. Let's look ahead, though. How do the results in Iowa affect this race going forward?

DAVID YEPSEN, "THE DES MOINES REGISTER": Well, I think it puts Hillary Clinton in a real box in New Hampshire. Her back is to the wall. She's got to produce. I think John Edwards is on the cusp there as well.

On the Republican side, I think John McCain has got to produce in New Hampshire as well. He did not do that well here in Iowa.

MCEDWARDS: Let's talk about Barack Obama. And he's the reason, obviously, for all of this pressure on Hillary Clinton.

Some really interesting things happened in Iowa. He got the youth vote out. He also won the female vote.

According to entry polls, Obama took 35 percent of female voters. Clinton, 30 percent. Edwards, 23. I mean, all of the experts ahead of this would have put the female voters to Clinton. What happened?

YEPSEN: The Obama phenomena is incredible. This state is 95 percent white, and for an African-American candidate to come in here and do this well really says something about where America is and where voters are.

They want a change. And I think that transcended gender.

The second thing is Hillary Clinton did well with older women and blue collar women. Barack Obama did well with younger women and professional women. And I think we'll see that same pattern repeat itself in New Hampshire.

MCEDWARDS: On the Republican side, I want to take a look at some numbers for born-again evangelicals, evangelicals. You know, the real evangelicals out there supporting Huckabee in huge numbers. We know that.

Forty-six percent for Huckabee. Mitt Romney, 19 percent. Fred Thompson, 11 percent.

This was obviously key. The born-agains key to Huckabee here.

YEPSEN: It was. And the question, though, is what can he do to sustain it in New Hampshire?

There are not as many evangelical and born-again voters in New Hampshire in the Republican party there. It's one of the challenges for Mike Huckabee if he hopes to capitalize on this, is going to be to find some voters to replace that.

Mitt Romney has a problem with his Mormon faith. Many evangelicals have trouble with Mormonism. They think it's a cult and all that. And it's a hard thing to discuss in American politics, but I do think it hurts Mitt Romney. I think also he was seen as a flip- flopper on abortion issues, and Huckabee exploited that.

MCEDWARDS: Do you buy -- do you buy the analysis that the voters in Iowa really spoke for change, fresh face, new approach? Are we right on that, do you think?

YEPSEN: There's no question about it. Voters here, both parties, opted for change. The more establishment candidates, Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, did poorly. The outsider candidates, the populists, the angry message, the little guy, that prevailed.

And the other loser last night was President Bush. Clearly in both parties, voters spoke for change.

Mike Huckabee campaigned as a Democrat on foreign policy, talked about U.S. foreign policy having a bunker mentality in Iraq. Mike Huckabee sounded like a Democrat sometimes talking about that, and he still won.

MCEDWARDS: And he was criticized by that for people within the party, but obviously rewarded for it by the voters in Iowa.

YEPSEN: Right. Voters wanted change.

MCEDWARDS: David Yepsen, political reporter with "The Des Moines Register."

Thank you so much.

YEPSEN: Thank you.

MCEDWARDS: It's been great.

All right.

David there for us.

Well, what is next for the voters and of course all of us who are following the candidates as well? Don't forget about Wyoming.

You know, everybody's been talking about New Hampshire, but Wyoming is coming up next on the Republican campaign calendar. That's actually this weekend.

Candidates have paid little attention to that state, very much overlooked in all the hoopla that has been surrounding New Hampshire, this year's first primary. That, of course, taking place next Tuesday.

The prize is small there in terms of the delegate numbers, but, look, this state does loom large in terms of influence as well. And we will be there covering it.

Michigan holds its primary January 15th. Thirty Republican delegates at stake there. That could be an interesting contest.

After that, January 19th, both parties battling in Nevada. Republicans in South Carolina.

Then a week later, on the 26th, South Carolina Democrats vote. Both parties have primaries in Florida. Those are going to happen on January 29th. Watch for what Rudy Giuliani on the Republican side does there.

Maine holds its caucuses in early February as well. But you know the really big show is February 5th, Super Tuesday. Maybe we should call it Super Duper Tuesday.

Forty-four primary and caucus contests will be held, 24 states involved there. And throw in a territory as well. That's all coming up February 5th.

And coming up here on YOUR WORLD TODAY, we're going to bring in our Jill Dougherty. And she is really going to analyze the impact of the Iowa results on Hillary Clinton's campaign.

That and much more coming up as our special coverage from Des Moines, Iowa, continues.

Jim, back to you.

CLANCY: Great job, Colleen. You're reminding us how much fun we have yet to have, and it's going to be interesting to hear that Hillary Clinton analysis as well.

We're going to take a short break here. You're watching YOUR WORLD TODAY.

When we come back, Hollywood gossip getting serious again as paparazzi manage to capture a pop star's emergency visit to the hospital.

We will have details and more video.



JIM CLANCY, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to our viewers joining us from around the globe, including right here in the United States. You're tuned to YOUR WORLD TODAY. I'm Jim Clancy, with Colleen McEdwards in Des Moines. We're going to look at some of your top stories right now.

Two surprise picks in the first real test of the 2008 presidential campaign shaking up the race for the White House. Republicans in Iowa picking Mike Huckabee in the caucus last night. Democrats choosing Barack Obama as their first candidate. Now, all of those candidates will have to move on to New Hampshire for next Tuesday's primary.

Deadly violence continuing in the streets of Nairobi. Kenya's opposition also calling for a new presidential vote after opposition rallies were broken up in the streets. Archbishop and Nobel Laureate Desmond Tutu has met with both sides in the dispute. The government says at least 300 people have been killed since the vote eight days ago.

U.S. pop singer Britney Spears taken to a Los Angeles hospital Thursday evening. Police had to be called to her home. They were mediating a custody dispute. Officials say that she's to undergo drug or alcohol testing, as well as a psychological evaluation. Spears is in the midst of a bitter child custody battle with her ex-husband.

More now on the situation in Pakistan. A team from Scotland Yard is on the job in that country right now. Its mission is to help determine who was behind the assassination of the opposition leader Benazir Bhutto. Now some are blaming al Qaeda and terrorists, the Taliban. Others say the government had a hand in it. President Pervez Musharraf asked for the Yard's help. That could restore some of the credibility. The fact is, there have been so many different versions of what happened, not many people in Pakistan really believe those accounts. He says he hopes that the Scotland Yard detectives can, in his words, solve all the confusion surrounding Benazir Bhutto's death.

Now her assassination sent a shock wave through an already volatile political scene. But along with even bigger security fears for opposition parties, their determination remains. Our own Zain Verjee is there with more on that part of the story.


ZAIN VERJEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT, (voice over): Nawaz Sharif is a major opposition leader in Pakistan. He accuses the country's president, Pervez Musharraf, of rigging next month's elections. Still, Sharif says he will run in the elections anyway.

NAWAZ SHARIF, FORMER PAKISTANI PRIME MINISTER: We need to be in the process to expose Musharraf's rigging plans and the manipulation that he wants to do with the elections.

VERJEE: Musharraf rejects any charge the election will be rigged.

PERVEZ MUSHARRAF, PAKISTANI PRESIDENT: This election is going to be free, fair and transparent.

VERJEE: Sharif says Musharraf and his government are desperate.

SHARIF: I think they're feeling very insecure. They're very (INAUDIBLE) what the massive support that we have among the people of Pakistan.

VERJEE: There's another issue Sharif has to deal with, terrorism. He says election campaigning is going to be tough because he's on a terrorist hit list. Sharif says he's forced to handle his own security, like Benazir Bhutto.

SHARIF: The government doesn't give us anything except one or two police jeeps.

VERJEE: Sharif also says the Bush administration should rethink its backing of Musharraf.

SHARIF: America needs to very clearly review its policy of their supporting one man against the wishes of 160 million people of Pakistan.

VERJEE: In the middle of a heated and violent campaign in his own country, Sharif has his eyes on another campaign in America. Sharif led Pakistan while Bill Clinton was president.

SHARIF: His wife is certainly capable of winning. I think she's one of the strongest contenders in the presidential elections.

VERJEE: Zain Verjee, CNN, Lahore, Pakistan.


CLANCY: An admission -- unusual one, at that -- in the Middle East. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert telling "The Jerusalem Post" that construction in West Bank's settlement shows Israel is not living up to its end of a recently revived peace plan. Last week, Mr. Olmert ordered cabinet ministers not to authorize any more construction on the West Bank without his own personal approval. Now the road map peace plan calls for a freeze of settlements on disputed territory.

Mr. Olmert's comments come days before U.S. President George W. Bush arrives in the region. Mr. Bush speaking with Jordan's King Abdullah, at least by telephone, Friday morning. The White House says the two leaders talked about Israeli/Palestinian issues. Mr. Bush's tour is going to be his first presidential visit to Israel and the Palestinian areas ever. It also includes stops in Saudi Arabia and several gulf states.

The Bush administration voicing its concerns about the detention of a very popular blogger in Saudi Arabia. Fouad al-Farhan was arrested last month. The Saudi interior ministry says he violated the regulations of the kingdom. He's being questioned by Saudi officials. The State Department says its message to Saudi Arabia, pretty clear.


SEAN MCCORMACK, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN: Our understanding is that he's being questioned. I've seen some public comments from Saudi officials. And our message to the Saudi government was pretty clear. It's what you heard me talk a little bit about yesterday, and that is that the United States stands for freedom of expression. It's an important element of any thriving society. It's a cornerstone of any democratic society. And wherever people are seeking to express themselves via the Internet or via other means, whether that's in Saudi Arabia or elsewhere around the world, we stand for that freedom of expression.


CLANCY: Now, al-Farhan's arrest and detainment has really shaken up the blogging community there in Saudi Arabia. Some say it makes them more determined than ever to keep on speaking out. We're going to turn to one of al-Farhan's friends, Ahmed al-Omran is a leading English language blogger in Saudi Arabia. He recently began an online petition on his site to free al-Farhan. And if you can -- if we can start all of this off, let me just ask you, is individualism really at risk? Is it at risk of being outlawed there in Saudi Arabia?

AHMED AL-OMRAN, SAUDI BLOGGER: Well, (INAUDIBLE) and the Saudi society is such a conservative society. Individualism, in general, is frowned upon. But is it in danger or not? You know, when you have an incident like that, you can feel, yes, that the individualism can be threatened in this way.

CLANCY: Let's go back to some of what Fouad said. I'm going to pull up a quote here and share it with the audience. He wrote, "in Saudi Arabia, there is no guarantee that you won't be arrested because of your frankness and speaking your mind on your blog." And he continues, "there is also no guarantee when you hide and write in Internet forums using a pseudonym." You know, you had a response to that, I think, on your website as well, on your blog site as well that's called (ph). What are you calling on Saudis to do in response to Fouad's detention?

AL-OMRAN: Well, I think they should stand for him and support him and ask the government to release him immediately.

CLANCY: You're also saying, aren't you, that anonymity should be cast aside. Use your own names?

AL-OMRAN: Sorry?

CLANCY: You're also saying that people should use their own -- their real names -- and post their own real opinions, rather than trying to hide behind pseudonyms?

AL-OMRAN: Yes. If you believe in what you are talking about and what you are writing about, you should be able to stand for what you are saying using your real name, not hiding. Because if you believe in what you are saying, you should use your real name, not hiding. Why to hide if you have nothing wrong to be afraid from?

CLANCY: You know, have people reacted with fear? I mean, what are the subjects that perhaps people are saying, that's a no-go zone.

AL-OMRAN: Well, you know, the margin for freedom of expression in Saudi Arabia has expanded in the last few years. And there are, you know -- the press and the bloggers are now more able to write about stuff that usually used to be taboo and no one is allowed to write about. But there are still some red lines here and there.

CLANCY: Your friend, Fouad, still in jail right now. I mean, what would be your message to him?

AL-OMRAN: I want to tell him that, don't be afraid. We are still here for you. We will keep on supporting you. And we will keep working until you are released and you are released free and back to your friends and family.

CLANCY: You know, for young Saudis, why is blogging so important?

AL-OMRAN: When you have a country where the freedom of expression is very limited, the Internet and blogging, especially profiles, is such a good outlet for the young population to express themselves freely away from the censored media and all the other restrictions that are usually there when you are living in such a society. So the Internet and blogging is providing a new outlet for them, a new freedom for them to express themselves.

CLANCY: Has -- is discussion of the Saudi royal family completely off limits? Have you ever brought it up on a blog? Would you?


CLANCY: No. That one -- do you think that's right?

AL-OMRAN: Well, I think no one should be, you know, above the law. So if someone is violating the law, he should be criticized. It doesn't matter who he is or on what position that he is.

CLANCY: But any discussion of any topic that concerns the royal family, you wouldn't bring it up? That's just not a part of what you want to talk about?

AL-OMRAN: Well, not necessarily, but, you know . . .

CLANCY: It would land you in jail, wouldn't it?

AL-OMRAN: We are talking -- you know, when -- what?

CLANCY: It would land you in jail, do you think?

AL-OMRAN: Not necessarily.

CLANCY: All right. Well, listen, Ahmed al-Omran, I want to leave it there.

AL-OMRAN: It really depends on how you write about these issues and how you decide to take them, from what view and what angle.

CLANCY: All right. Well, Ahmed, standing up for his friend, Fouad al-Farhan, who is being held since December the 10th and being questioned. It raises a lot of questions about freedom of speech, freedom of the ability to write and express your opinions in Saudi Arabia. We're going to continue to follow this story.

If you want to weigh in on the controversy that surrounds Fouad al-Farhan, let us steer you toward our blog for "Inside the Middle East." Hala Gorani is hosting the discussion. And you can find it by following a link that you'll see at for "Inside the Middle East." You'll find lots of information about Hala's weekly program and have a chance to submit your own comments.

We'll be back right after this. Don't go away.



MIKE HUCKABEE, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Tonight, what we have seen is a new day in American politics. A new day is needed in American politics, just like a new day is need in American government.


CLANCY: Hello, everyone, and welcome back. You're watching YOUR WORLD TODAY on CNN International, seen live in some 200 countries and territories right around the world.

In the U.S. presidential election, round one is over and the story is as much about who lost as who won. Democrat Hillary Clinton finishing in third place despite being the best connected, the most well-known and one of the best funded. In the Republican camp, up comes Mike Huckabee on top, but still facing questions about how he's going to fare in New Hampshire. Let's get some more on all these results. Our own Colleen McEdwards is still there in Des Moines with more on this race. And what a race it was.

COLLEEN MCEDWARDS, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, it really was, Jim.

And, you know, that question you just asked is being asked because Mike Huckabee got such overwhelming support from evangelical Christians here in Iowa. Way out east in New Hampshire, a real different landscape. How will that play there? Our own Dana Bash is already out in Manchester, New Hampshire, for us.

Dana, you were here in Des Moines until late last night. Something tells me you must have been on one of those early morning flights with the candidates.

DANA BASH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We were. And we were on an overnight flight, actually, with a candidate. In fact, the candidate who won Iowa last night, Mike Huckabee, who you've just been talking about. And, in fact, we caught up with him this morning again while he was getting some breakfast before he did something that we probably should have done, which is get a few hours of sleep.

He's trying so hard, Colleen, as you can imagine, to savor the victory that he had last night on the plane ride with those of us who were with him. He was talking about the moment that he found out about his victory. In fact, he didn't really know about it until the rest of the world knew because he happened to be on a plane inside Iowa when CNN and other networks, news organizations called Iowa for him, said that he was going to be the victor there. He actually shared some personal photographs. There you see of him looking at his Blackberry. He said he got sort of, you know, message after message after message saying congratulations. That's how he and his wife, Janet there, found out about this victory.

But, you know, right now, already despite the fact that he wants to look back and sort of take a deep breath and think about Iowa, he's already got issues right here and questions, big questions, about whether he can harness this come from nowhere victory in Iowa, especially here in New Hampshire. New Hampshire is a place, unlike Iowa, you were mentioning this before, Colleen, that does not have that core base of evangelical voters that really propelled his win in Iowa. So he is already sort of playing up another part of his complex message. He does have a complex message when it comes to social issues and also when it comes to economic issues. For the libertarians here in New Hampshire, he's playing up his populism. Listen to what he said this morning.


MIKE HUCKABEE, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, I think I continue to connect with the same message. I talk about changing our tax system. Eighty percent of Americans hate the current tax system. So why don't we change it? Why do we always let Washington just tinker with it instead of really doing something to empower people to keep more of the income they've worked so hard to have?


BASH: There you heard him talking about taxes. Now a potential problem for Mike Huckabee is that he supports abolishing the IRS in favor of a consumption tax. This is, again, a very libertarian state, New Hampshire. They are against any kind of taxes. They don't have an income tax. So it's unclear how that's going to play with him here.

He understands that it's not likely he's going to do extraordinarily well in New Hampshire, but they're already looking beyond New Hampshire. The next contest state is fertile ground for him. It's South Carolina. It's very similar to Iowa. It has a very strong evangelical base.

So they're working on that. They're working on getting the funding that he didn't have to keep this momentum going. They know it's not going to be easy.


MCEDWARDS: Yes, looking ahead, moving ahead. Dana Bash for us there.

Dana, thanks very much.

And when we come back here on YOUR WORLD TODAY, we're going to take a look at Hillary Clinton's chances as she moves into New Hampshire. That's coming up right after a short break.



SEN. HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're going to get up tomorrow and keep pushing as hard as we can to get the message out about what is at stake in this election because we know that it is literally the future of our country.


MCEDWARDS: Well, last year, she had what seemed to be an insurmountable lead in national polls. Last night, she came in third place in Iowa. Hillary Clinton, we're talking about, of course. What is next for her? What does this all mean? Jill Dougherty joins us now from Washington with some analysis on this.

And, you know, Jill, you had to expect Hillary Clinton would try to put a brave face on this. I was watching her speech last night. I sort of started to try to count the number of times she said I am ready I to lead. And there were so many of them I lost count and gave up. This had to be a rough night for her, though.

JILL DOUGHERTY, U.S. AFFAIRS EDITOR: Yes, in that sense. I mean, you know, if you look at what the message right now that's coming out from Obama and from Huckabee, both sides politically it's change. And for Hillary, that is an issue that she has to deal with because you saw it there on the podium right below her -- change. You know, that is now one of her themes as well.

But it's very much kind of a double edged sword because change, yes, she wants change, but she also is trying to tell people, hey, I'm the experienced person here. I have all that experience. Remember, remember. And so she has to play both sides against the middle. She's experienced, but she also wants to change. And that's not easy to do simultaneously.

MCEDWARDS: What does she need to do in New Hampshire?

DOUGHERTY: Well, you know, Iowa and New Hampshire are two different worlds, really. So, New Hampshire, she's going to have kind of a different electorate. It's a very independent type of place. And she's going to have to play both of those cards.

She's going to have to say something in this country has to change. I'm the person who can do it. I'm going to move straight ahead. But she also has to -- and you heard that hint in your -- the sound that you played. She also would have to argue that she is the person who's the responsible one, who can really hit the ground running, who has the team, et cetera, who can really become the president of the United States, which is the super power. And that's a big responsibility. So she has to tell people, I can change it, but I'm also somebody -- you know, an adult in this game.

And the other thing, Colleen, is she has a problem with the issue of the dynasty. I mean, she was in the Clinton White House, literally. She lived in the White House. And some people might have difficulty with the fact that, you know, it's a second generation or the second group of Clintons that could potentially be in the White House again.

MCEDWARDS: All right. Iowa is just one contest. There are many more ahead. Jill Dougherty in Washington.

Jill, thanks a lot for that. Really appreciate it.

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Jim, that's it for me here from Des Moines, but I'll see you in New Hampshire next week. Back to you.

CLANCY: All right. Before you go, let me ask you, what's the memory you take there from Iowa? What stands out in your mind as perhaps distinctive about that part of the race?

MCEDWARDS: You know, I think it's the passion of the voters here in Iowa. You talk to people around town, and I know it's only a small percentage of people in the state. These are die-hard politicals. It's not really representative of people in the state. But the people who I talked to who were participating really believe in the importance of this. They love the notion of getting together with their neighbors, talking about politics, twisting arms and really being part of the process.

You know, we like to make fun of it, especially people who aren't from the United States. It all looks a little byzantine. But there's a beauty to it as well. It was really lovely to see it happen.

Jim, back to you.

CLANCY: All right. You've got a couple of days to thaw out and then it's up to New Hampshire for you.

MCEDWARDS: Yes. See you there.

CLANCY: Thanks a lot, Colleen McEdwards.

That is it for this hour. I'm Jim Clancy. Hala Gorani's on assignment. You're tuned to CNN.